2007 NBA DRAFT - ODEN and PORTLAND CRIPPLED (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

Speaking of Javaris Crittenton,, it's interesting to note that he's scheduled to work out with the Portland Trailblazers the day before the draft, June 27th. He obviously won't be working out for the #1 pick, and can't be planning on Portland's next pick at #37 either. So what does that mean? Deductive reasoning tells us that his people have almost certainly been convinced that there is a very good chance that the Trailblazers will have a draft pick in his range, AND will have a need for another point guard besides the two very good ones they already have in Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodríguez. It goes without saying that the day before the draft is a VERY valuable spot on the calendar of a player like Crittenton. A couple of quick calls made indicate that Crittenton isn't the only one who might feel that way. Two agents with draft prospects in the 5-15 draft range conveyed to DraftExpress that they feel that Portland is sending out messages implying that they may already have a late lottery pick locked up. The rumor emerging is that Portland can secure the #11 pick belonging to Atlanta, in return for Jarrett Jack if they so desire. Portland will also (tentatively) be hosting Nick Young and Al Thornton two days before the draft, on the 26th. The Young and Crittenton workout dates were released by a Portland beat writer, Jason Quick.

Interesting stuff. Is Jack for the 11th pick a fair deal in your eyes? Thornton is on my wish list for the Sixers at 12.

Tough to say. I'm not sure I like trading Jack for Portland; he knows the team, the system, and his teammates/coach and clearly has started building chemistry with them. Getting Jack would be a coup for Atlanta. Assuming Mike Conley isn't slipping to 11, they'd be left taking Acie Law. I really like Law as a player, but I'd trade him all day every day for a yound, and by all accounts improving, PG like Jack.ETA: Tommy posted at almost exactly the same time the oppositte opinion....

 

[TommyGilmore]

Speaking of Javaris Crittenton,, it's interesting to note that he's scheduled to work out with the Portland Trailblazers the day before the draft, June 27th. He obviously won't be working out for the #1 pick, and can't be planning on Portland's next pick at #37 either. So what does that mean? Deductive reasoning tells us that his people have almost certainly been convinced that there is a very good chance that the Trailblazers will have a draft pick in his range, AND will have a need for another point guard besides the two very good ones they already have in Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodríguez. It goes without saying that the day before the draft is a VERY valuable spot on the calendar of a player like Crittenton.

A couple of quick calls made indicate that Crittenton isn't the only one who might feel that way. Two agents with draft prospects in the 5-15 draft range conveyed to DraftExpress that they feel that Portland is sending out messages implying that they may already have a late lottery pick locked up. The rumor emerging is that Portland can secure the #11 pick belonging to Atlanta, in return for Jarrett Jack if they so desire.

Portland will also (tentatively) be hosting Nick Young and Al Thornton two days before the draft, on the 26th. The Young and Crittenton workout dates were released by a Portland beat writer, Jason Quick.

First, I'd trade Jack for the #11 pick in a heartbeat. Second, I wouldn't call Jack and Rodriguez "very good point guards". Rodriguez is a poor man's Jason Williams and Jack doesn't exactly have "starter on NBA playoff team" written all over him.Then again, it's not uncommon for teams to work out players that they have no intention of drafting. I wouldn't read too much into this.

 

[Kraft...]

Speaking of Javaris Crittenton,, it's interesting to note that he's scheduled to work out with the Portland Trailblazers the day before the draft, June 27th. He obviously won't be working out for the #1 pick, and can't be planning on Portland's next pick at #37 either. So what does that mean? Deductive reasoning tells us that his people have almost certainly been convinced that there is a very good chance that the Trailblazers will have a draft pick in his range, AND will have a need for another point guard besides the two very good ones they already have in Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodríguez. It goes without saying that the day before the draft is a VERY valuable spot on the calendar of a player like Crittenton. A couple of quick calls made indicate that Crittenton isn't the only one who might feel that way. Two agents with draft prospects in the 5-15 draft range conveyed to DraftExpress that they feel that Portland is sending out messages implying that they may already have a late lottery pick locked up. The rumor emerging is that Portland can secure the #11 pick belonging to Atlanta, in return for Jarrett Jack if they so desire. Portland will also (tentatively) be hosting Nick Young and Al Thornton two days before the draft, on the 26th. The Young and Crittenton workout dates were released by a Portland beat writer, Jason Quick.

Interesting, if Atlanta can secure Jack that opens up possibilities at the #3 pick since they won't need a PG(Conley). Wright or Horford each move up a slot I assume, then someone outside the top 5 lucks out and lands Conley.

 

[saintfool]

Speaking of Javaris Crittenton,, it's interesting to note that he's scheduled to work out with the Portland Trailblazers the day before the draft, June 27th. He obviously won't be working out for the #1 pick, and can't be planning on Portland's next pick at #37 either. So what does that mean? Deductive reasoning tells us that his people have almost certainly been convinced that there is a very good chance that the Trailblazers will have a draft pick in his range, AND will have a need for another point guard besides the two very good ones they already have in Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodríguez. It goes without saying that the day before the draft is a VERY valuable spot on the calendar of a player like Crittenton.

A couple of quick calls made indicate that Crittenton isn't the only one who might feel that way. Two agents with draft prospects in the 5-15 draft range conveyed to DraftExpress that they feel that Portland is sending out messages implying that they may already have a late lottery pick locked up. The rumor emerging is that Portland can secure the #11 pick belonging to Atlanta, in return for Jarrett Jack if they so desire.

Portland will also (tentatively) be hosting Nick Young and Al Thornton two days before the draft, on the 26th. The Young and Crittenton workout dates were released by a Portland beat writer, Jason Quick.

First, I'd trade Jack for the #11 pick in a heartbeat. Second, I wouldn't call Jack and Rodriguez "very good point guards". Rodriguez is a poor man's Jason Williams and Jack doesn't exactly have "starter on NBA playoff team" written all over him.Then again, it's not uncommon for teams to work out players that they have no intention of drafting. I wouldn't read too much into this.

I've read reports that they were interested in picking up Conley in the draft. The Portland front office sees this as helping keep the franchise - Oden - happy for years to come. Crittenden is a great young player, too, with a lot if upside. What's interesting to me is that the obvious player in a trade - Randolph - isn't getting mentioned. Unless they believe this season's performance is a sign of Zach's re-dedication and reform, the rumor was to move him and get out from his terrible contract.

 

[Britney Spears]

I thought Lewis already opted out?

He did.But the Sonics can of course give him the most money. They are the favorites to sign him because of this. Either to keep him, or for the sign and trade option.

 

[Sammy3469]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

What makes you think he's not quick enough to guard SF's?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Speaking of Javaris Crittenton,, it's interesting to note that he's scheduled to work out with the Portland Trailblazers the day before the draft, June 27th. He obviously won't be working out for the #1 pick, and can't be planning on Portland's next pick at #37 either. So what does that mean? Deductive reasoning tells us that his people have almost certainly been convinced that there is a very good chance that the Trailblazers will have a draft pick in his range, AND will have a need for another point guard besides the two very good ones they already have in Jarrett Jack and Sergio Rodríguez. It goes without saying that the day before the draft is a VERY valuable spot on the calendar of a player like Crittenton. A couple of quick calls made indicate that Crittenton isn't the only one who might feel that way. Two agents with draft prospects in the 5-15 draft range conveyed to DraftExpress that they feel that Portland is sending out messages implying that they may already have a late lottery pick locked up. The rumor emerging is that Portland can secure the #11 pick belonging to Atlanta, in return for Jarrett Jack if they so desire. Portland will also (tentatively) be hosting Nick Young and Al Thornton two days before the draft, on the 26th. The Young and Crittenton workout dates were released by a Portland beat writer, Jason Quick.

Interesting stuff. Is Jack for the 11th pick a fair deal in your eyes? Thornton is on my wish list for the Sixers at 12.

In this year's deep draft, I would rather have the 11th pick than Jarrett Jack, but for a team needing a PG(like Atlanta) and with no starting(immeidately) calibre PG likely to be there by then I don't mind the deal from Atlanta's perspective.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

 

[Assani Fisher]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

 

[tommyGunZ]

"If people question his strength, they're stupid," Texas' Rick Barnes said Tuesday, according to The Dallas Morning News. "If they are looking for weight lifters to come out of Texas, that's not what we're producing. There are a lot of guys who can bench press 300 pounds in the NBA who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Kevin's the best player in the draft -- period, at any position."

That's really nice of Barnes and all but Durant only being able to bench 185 (not 300 Rick) once is pretty embarrasing. You take a pounding in the NBA - builds like Lebron hold up and produce better.

He needs to get stronger over time and he will. He is the youngest player in the draft and has incredibly long arms and a thin build, not exactly ideal proportions for the bench press.Durant is strong enough to launch 25 footers effortlessly and to average double digit rebounds in a pretty decent conference. He is not a strongman, but he doesn't play soft. The real weaklings must be the teams that allowed him stat lines like 37 points and 23 rebounds.Artificial combine tests are of dubious value for evaluating NFL players. For NBA players, they are a total joke.Kevin Durant was universally voted the best player in college basketball last year, as a true freshman, based on his production actually playing basketball. I'll take that data as slightly more important than his "workout numbers", thanks.In 2003, Troy Bell and Brandon Hunter were deemed the best athletes at the combine. Dwyane Wade was 14th and Chris Bosh was 51st. TJ Ford not only was slower than Kirk Heinrich in the speed drills, but also pretty much everyone else as well. He was even slower than Chris Kaman. Andre Iguodala's vertical was only 1 inch higher than JJ Redick's. Monta Ellis was the "worst" athlete in the 2005 combine. Chris Paul was slower in the speed drills than Sean May and Wayne Simien that same year. Last year Rudy Gay, Tyrus Thomas, and LaMarcus Aldridge were not among the top 10 athletes at the combine. Daniel Horton was though, at number 4 no less.

I'd love to see a list of the players who ranked dead last athletically amongst their draft class. Were any of them taken #2 overall?While Durant's numbers shouldn't cost him many draft spots (if any at all), finishing dead last is awful, regardless of the spin UT homers try to put on it. The reason these numbers are so alarming (IMO) is because they strip Durant of his bust proof label. Since he's years away from being a physically dominant player as a pro, he'll have to get by with a deadly jumper. While I was blown away by several of his performances this year, I don't think his jumper is automatic.Is he really KG with a jumper? Or is he Tayshun Prince, who just happened to have a great season shooting the rock?

 

[RedRaiders]

Brit is going to be pissed with all this Durant slandering.

 

[Kraft...]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

They have the Celts taking Noah at #5

 

[RedRaiders]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

They have the Celts taking Noah at #5

They have Ji Yianlin at #10 - that is kind of surprising, no?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Brit is going to be pissed with all this Durant slandering.

Unfortunately, the difference between Oden and Durant is larger than the difference between Durant and Hortford.

 

[tommyGunZ]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

They have the Celts taking Noah at #5

They have Ji Yianlin at #10 - that is kind of surprising, no?

Very surprising. And very wrong, IMO.

 

[Kraft...]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

They have the Celts taking Noah at #5

They have Ji Yianlin at #10 - that is kind of surprising, no?

Definitely, doubt he gets past the Bulls at #9

 

[Sammy3469]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

if the Sonics keep Lewis, one of those two will be forced to guard a PF and even if Durant does guard the SF, he's lateral quickness is such that any good SF will be able to get to the rim at will. and FWIW, I think he'll have a much tougher time scoring against the likes of Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Odom, etc. than he did shooting over 6'6 guys in college.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

if the Sonics keep Lewis, one of those two will be forced to guard a PF and even if Durant does guard the SF, he's lateral quickness is such that any good SF will be able to get to the rim at will. and FWIW, I think he'll have a much tougher time scoring against the likes of Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Odom, etc. than he did shooting over 6'6 guys in college.

Isn't this true for all players?As for draftexpress, they don't really update their mock draft a lot(nbadraft.net doesn't seem to either) but its still a great info site.

I'm having a really tough time determining who Chicago is going to take. They need inside scoring. Spencer Hawes would be a good fit, but I could see him rising and going before their pick. Splitter isn't good enough offensively. Seems like its too early for mcRoberts....maybe they'll trade it.

 

[saintfool]

btw guys....draftexpress.com is an awesome site if you're into the draft. Updated daily.

They have the Celts taking Noah at #5

They have Ji Yianlin at #10 - that is kind of surprising, no?

moreover, i don't think atlanta takes brandon wright at 1.3 either. hey have a glut of young F's on their roster. they need a PG and someone to work the paint, like a real center. they might grab a PG later with the other pick but, regardless, they don't need to grab Wright. Horford or Noah maybe would be my guesses if they have to stay there. otherwise, i see them trading down.

 

[RedRaiders]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

if the Sonics keep Lewis, one of those two will be forced to guard a PF and even if Durant does guard the SF, he's lateral quickness is such that any good SF will be able to get to the rim at will. and FWIW, I think he'll have a much tougher time scoring against the likes of Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Odom, etc. than he did shooting over 6'6 guys in college.

Isn't this true for all players?As for draftexpress, they don't really update their mock draft a lot(nbadraft.net doesn't seem to either) but its still a great info site.

I'm having a really tough time determining who Chicago is going to take. They need inside scoring. Spencer Hawes would be a good fit, but I could see him rising and going before their pick. Splitter isn't good enough offensively. Seems like its too early for mcRoberts....maybe they'll trade it.

nbadraft.net has this 2008 mock draft up. Interesting to look over at least.http://nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

 

[Kraft...]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

if the Sonics keep Lewis, one of those two will be forced to guard a PF and even if Durant does guard the SF, he's lateral quickness is such that any good SF will be able to get to the rim at will. and FWIW, I think he'll have a much tougher time scoring against the likes of Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Odom, etc. than he did shooting over 6'6 guys in college.

Isn't this true for all players?As for draftexpress, they don't really update their mock draft a lot(nbadraft.net doesn't seem to either) but its still a great info site.

I'm having a really tough time determining who Chicago is going to take. They need inside scoring. Spencer Hawes would be a good fit, but I could see him rising and going before their pick. Splitter isn't good enough offensively. Seems like its too early for mcRoberts....maybe they'll trade it.

nbadraft.net has this 2008 mock draft up. Interesting to look over at least.http://nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

Interesting, Hibbert projects at #10 probably right around where he would have gone this year(10-15 range).

 

[Capella]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

 

[Sammy3469]

Nope, it's just abundantly clear he needs to bulk up. This isn't the Big 12 anymore.

Glad to hear that you haven't taken leave of your senses. He definitely needs to get stronger, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needs to "bulk up".

I wouldn't be shocked if his lack of strength ends up being more of a factor than people want to believe. He's going to have to guard someone on the defensive end. If that someone ends up being a PF, he won't be strong enough to do it and if it's a SF, he won't be quick enough to do it. I know he'll be able to score since he has freakish size and shooting ability, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's abused at the defensive end for the time being.

He will guard the SF spot.

if the Sonics keep Lewis, one of those two will be forced to guard a PF and even if Durant does guard the SF, he's lateral quickness is such that any good SF will be able to get to the rim at will. and FWIW, I think he'll have a much tougher time scoring against the likes of Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Odom, etc. than he did shooting over 6'6 guys in college.

Isn't this true for all players?As for draftexpress, they don't really update their mock draft a lot(nbadraft.net doesn't seem to either) but its still a great info site.

I'm having a really tough time determining who Chicago is going to take. They need inside scoring. Spencer Hawes would be a good fit, but I could see him rising and going before their pick. Splitter isn't good enough offensively. Seems like its too early for mcRoberts....maybe they'll trade it.

nbadraft.net has this 2008 mock draft up. Interesting to look over at least.http://nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

Interesting, Hibbert projects at #10 probably right around where he would have gone this year(10-15 range).

I'd imagine one of those C in the 10-15 range will end up going top 5, though I wouldn't want to bet on who right now.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

nbadraft.net has this 2008 mock draft up. Interesting to look over at least.

http://nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

Interesting, Hibbert projects at #10 probably right around where he would have gone this year(10-15 range).

O.J. Mayo at 4? I thought he was the next coming...

 

[Mimo]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

I could not agree more. They have passed up Deron Williams and Chris Paul I just don't see them letting Mike Conley, Jr. get pass them.

 

[Britney Spears]

Brit is going to be pissed with all this Durant slandering.

Unfortunately, the difference between Oden and Durant is larger than the difference between Durant and Hortford.

Would I rather the Sonics have Oden? Sure. If only for the fact we have a SF, and have been searching for a legit center for the life of the franchise.Am I dissapointed that the Sonics have the #2 and will 99% end up with Durant? No f'n way. Rashard Lewis was this same skinny weakling coming out of HS, and the Sonics packed on a ton of muscle. I've met Rashard a few times, and he's still very skinny (but very ripped), and it doesn't seem to hinder him from scoring 20ppg.

I'm sure Durant is skinny and there are several FBG's that can bench more than him. But he can shoot the lights out, and is very good off the dribble (you have to run and bounce the ball in basketball, not just sprint around). Everything I've seen of Durant = fast on the court.

I am madly in love with Durant as a Sonic.

 

[saintfool]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

i have to agree. he'd never see time on the floor with williams, childress and smith rotating on the floor.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Would I rather the Sonics have Oden? Sure. If only for the fact we have a SF, and have been searching for a legit center for the life of the franchise.

Am I dissapointed that the Sonics have the #2 and will 99% end up with Durant? No f'n way. Rashard Lewis was this same skinny weakling coming out of HS, and the Sonics packed on a ton of muscle. I've met Rashard a few times, and he's still very skinny (but very ripped), and it doesn't seem to hinder him from scoring 20ppg.

I think Durant very well may become another Rashard Lewis. Is that really what you're hoping for though? Lewis is a very good player, but obviously not a franchise guy. Which is what I'm suggesting Durant might be (a very good player, but not a franchise guy).

I'm sure Durant is skinny and there are several FBG's that can bench more than him.

Several? Hell, I'm 6-4, 180 lbs soaking wet, and I can throw up 185 4-5 times and I'm by no means in good shape.

But he can shoot the lights out, and is very good off the dribble (you have to run and bounce the ball in basketball, not just sprint around). Everything I've seen of Durant = fast on the court.

Again, you're describing Lewis to a tee. Will you be happy if Durant turns into another Lewis?

I am madly in love with Durant as a Sonic.

Me too. I'm stoked your franchise got a boost in the lottery and I look forward to watching him in Sonic green for years to come.

 

[packersfan]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

Brandon Wright is this year's Marvin Williams. Not in terms of similarity of game but in terms of "They're gonna be great in five years" tag. The problem is if you keep drafting guys like that you never get any better because you suck so bad in the meantime.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

Brandon Wright is this year's Marvin Williams. Not in terms of similarity of game but in terms of "They're gonna be great in five years" tag. The problem is if you keep drafting guys like that you never get any better because you suck so bad in the meantime.

In Wright's defense, he was actually a really, really good college player.While I agree with you in that Wright isn't NBA ready, I think the Williams comparisons are a bit unfair.

 

[_4_]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

 

[Britney Spears]

Would I rather the Sonics have Oden? Sure. If only for the fact we have a SF, and have been searching for a legit center for the life of the franchise.

Am I dissapointed that the Sonics have the #2 and will 99% end up with Durant? No f'n way. Rashard Lewis was this same skinny weakling coming out of HS, and the Sonics packed on a ton of muscle. I've met Rashard a few times, and he's still very skinny (but very ripped), and it doesn't seem to hinder him from scoring 20ppg.

I think Durant very well may become another Rashard Lewis. Is that really what you're hoping for though? Lewis is a very good player, but obviously not a franchise guy. Which is what I'm suggesting Durant might be (a very good player, but not a franchise guy).

I'm sure Durant is skinny and there are several FBG's that can bench more than him.

Several? Hell, I'm 6-4, 180 lbs soaking wet, and I can throw up 185 4-5 times and I'm by no means in good shape.

But he can shoot the lights out, and is very good off the dribble (you have to run and bounce the ball in basketball, not just sprint around). Everything I've seen of Durant = fast on the court.

Again, you're describing Lewis to a tee. Will you be happy if Durant turns into another Lewis?

I am madly in love with Durant as a Sonic.

Me too. I'm stoked your franchise got a boost in the lottery and I look forward to watching him in Sonic green for years to come.

Like you said, the franchise got a major boost. A good, possibly great young player added to the team is 100% a bonus. It will bring excitement to the team, and hopefully increase our chances of keeping them here. And it will mean a few more wins, maybe a lot more (Considering our 2 best players were hurt last year).Would I be happy with another Rashard Lewis? Yes. Our star player is Ray Allen. Our #2 is Rashard Lewis, or whatever we sign and trade him for. If Durant can be the 2a/2b type player, we have 3 very good players, which is a great step forward.

I'm not expecting Kevin Durant to be a single guy that can take the Sonics to the championship. I'm looking for progress, which there hasn't been any of in recent history. The Sonics usually make good moves, especially for a smaller market team without a giant payroll, but things have been stagnant lately.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

Brandon Wright is this year's Marvin Williams. Not in terms of similarity of game but in terms of "They're gonna be great in five years" tag. The problem is if you keep drafting guys like that you never get any better because you suck so bad in the meantime.

In Wright's defense, he was actually a really, really good college player.While I agree with you in that Wright isn't NBA ready, I think the Williams comparisons are a bit unfair.

True, Willimas is a much better NBA prospect.

 

[Assani Fisher]

nbadraft.net has this 2008 mock draft up. Interesting to look over at least.

http://nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2008

Interesting, Hibbert projects at #10 probably right around where he would have gone this year(10-15 range).

O.J. Mayo at 4? I thought he was the next coming...

Its a pretty good incoming class. Mayo is a great prospect, but PG prospects usually don't go too high until they've proven themselves in college. Theres no shame in going after Rose and Beasley. I don't know much about Batum though. Oh and if you havn't heard of Kevin Love yet, you will soon. If he comes out, he'll be a top pick as well imo.

 

[packersfan]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

Brandon Wright is this year's Marvin Williams. Not in terms of similarity of game but in terms of "They're gonna be great in five years" tag. The problem is if you keep drafting guys like that you never get any better because you suck so bad in the meantime.

In Wright's defense, he was actually a really, really good college player.While I agree with you in that Wright isn't NBA ready, I think the Williams comparisons are a bit unfair.

I don't know if I'd say he was really, really good. He wasn't the best player on his team and for a player with his height, length and athletic ability his rebounding was sub-par. He's really the boom or bust guy in this draft. He could turn out to be something special or he could be the next Tim Thomas.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Would I rather the Sonics have Oden? Sure. If only for the fact we have a SF, and have been searching for a legit center for the life of the franchise.

Am I dissapointed that the Sonics have the #2 and will 99% end up with Durant? No f'n way. Rashard Lewis was this same skinny weakling coming out of HS, and the Sonics packed on a ton of muscle. I've met Rashard a few times, and he's still very skinny (but very ripped), and it doesn't seem to hinder him from scoring 20ppg.

I think Durant very well may become another Rashard Lewis. Is that really what you're hoping for though? Lewis is a very good player, but obviously not a franchise guy. Which is what I'm suggesting Durant might be (a very good player, but not a franchise guy).

I'm sure Durant is skinny and there are several FBG's that can bench more than him.

Several? Hell, I'm 6-4, 180 lbs soaking wet, and I can throw up 185 4-5 times and I'm by no means in good shape.

But he can shoot the lights out, and is very good off the dribble (you have to run and bounce the ball in basketball, not just sprint around). Everything I've seen of Durant = fast on the court.

Again, you're describing Lewis to a tee. Will you be happy if Durant turns into another Lewis?

I am madly in love with Durant as a Sonic.

Me too. I'm stoked your franchise got a boost in the lottery and I look forward to watching him in Sonic green for years to come.

Like you said, the franchise got a major boost. A good, possibly great young player added to the team is 100% a bonus. It will bring excitement to the team, and hopefully increase our chances of keeping them here. And it will mean a few more wins, maybe a lot more (Considering our 2 best players were hurt last year).Would I be happy with another Rashard Lewis? Yes. Our star player is Ray Allen. Our #2 is Rashard Lewis, or whatever we sign and trade him for. If Durant can be the 2a/2b type player, we have 3 very good players, which is a great step forward.

I'm not expecting Kevin Durant to be a single guy that can take the Sonics to the championship. I'm looking for progress, which there hasn't been any of in recent history. The Sonics usually make good moves, especially for a smaller market team without a giant payroll, but things have been stagnant lately.

A lot hinges on if the Sonics get anything for Lewis. If it's just Ray-Ray, Durant, and Earl Watson next year, that's not very good.Sonics are one of the only other Western Conference teams I pull for. I was hoping they'd get Oden when we found out they were in the final 2. But #2 is far better than where they should be picking.

I really hope Durant is legit. I'm just not sold on him being a lock for greatness.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If Atlanta takes Brandon Wright at #3, they should just fold the franchise, seriously.

Brandon Wright is this year's Marvin Williams. Not in terms of similarity of game but in terms of "They're gonna be great in five years" tag. The problem is if you keep drafting guys like that you never get any better because you suck so bad in the meantime.

In Wright's defense, he was actually a really, really good college player.While I agree with you in that Wright isn't NBA ready, I think the Williams comparisons are a bit unfair.

I don't know if I'd say he was really, really good. He wasn't the best player on his team and for a player with his height, length and athletic ability his rebounding was sub-par. He's really the boom or bust guy in this draft. He could turn out to be something special or he could be the next Tim Thomas.

We'll have to disagree about whether Wright or Hansbrough was the best Tarheel last year. I thought Wright was the better player.Wright can't shoot FTs though, which is a huge red flag.

 

[Capella]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

 

[Britney Spears]

Would I rather the Sonics have Oden? Sure. If only for the fact we have a SF, and have been searching for a legit center for the life of the franchise.

Am I dissapointed that the Sonics have the #2 and will 99% end up with Durant? No f'n way. Rashard Lewis was this same skinny weakling coming out of HS, and the Sonics packed on a ton of muscle. I've met Rashard a few times, and he's still very skinny (but very ripped), and it doesn't seem to hinder him from scoring 20ppg.

I think Durant very well may become another Rashard Lewis. Is that really what you're hoping for though? Lewis is a very good player, but obviously not a franchise guy. Which is what I'm suggesting Durant might be (a very good player, but not a franchise guy).

I'm sure Durant is skinny and there are several FBG's that can bench more than him.

Several? Hell, I'm 6-4, 180 lbs soaking wet, and I can throw up 185 4-5 times and I'm by no means in good shape.

But he can shoot the lights out, and is very good off the dribble (you have to run and bounce the ball in basketball, not just sprint around). Everything I've seen of Durant = fast on the court.

Again, you're describing Lewis to a tee. Will you be happy if Durant turns into another Lewis?

I am madly in love with Durant as a Sonic.

Me too. I'm stoked your franchise got a boost in the lottery and I look forward to watching him in Sonic green for years to come.

Like you said, the franchise got a major boost. A good, possibly great young player added to the team is 100% a bonus. It will bring excitement to the team, and hopefully increase our chances of keeping them here. And it will mean a few more wins, maybe a lot more (Considering our 2 best players were hurt last year).Would I be happy with another Rashard Lewis? Yes. Our star player is Ray Allen. Our #2 is Rashard Lewis, or whatever we sign and trade him for. If Durant can be the 2a/2b type player, we have 3 very good players, which is a great step forward.

I'm not expecting Kevin Durant to be a single guy that can take the Sonics to the championship. I'm looking for progress, which there hasn't been any of in recent history. The Sonics usually make good moves, especially for a smaller market team without a giant payroll, but things have been stagnant lately.

A lot hinges on if the Sonics get anything for Lewis. If it's just Ray-Ray, Durant, and Earl Watson next year, that's not very good.Sonics are one of the only other Western Conference teams I pull for. I was hoping they'd get Oden when we found out they were in the final 2. But #2 is far better than where they should be picking.

I really hope Durant is legit. I'm just not sold on him being a lock for greatness.

Right now, our best players go as:Ray Allen - 1a

Rashard Lewis - 1b

Chris Wilcox - 3

Luke Ridnour - 4

I fully expect Durant to slide in right above Wilcox (And I like Wilcox a lot). That is a big team upgrade IMO.

Durant fits the Sonics well. Good offense, not a great rebounder, no defense. : )

 

[Kraft...]

Where do people see Sean Williams going? Chad Ford has him going at 17 to the nets.

 

[saintfool]

Where do people see Sean Williams going? Chad Ford has him going at 17 to the nets.

i think the getting boted from BC hurts his stock. 1.17 is the highest i have seen him in a mock so far. he has great talent, to be sure, but that's not enough. if he is saying the right things and comes off well in the interviews then he could go that low.

 

[_4_]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Take the game minimum designation off and I will make that bet - I realize it is in the NBA's best interest to have him win it, so I am at enough of a disadvantage already.

 

[Capella]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Take the game minimum designation off and I will make that bet - I realize it is in the NBA's best interest to have him win it, so I am at enough of a disadvantage already.

Nope, guy gets hurt and misses 40-50 games and I'm SOL. If he plays at least 70 I think he wins it.It's not a great bet on my part, I'm sure I'd get at least 2-1, probably 3-1 odds somewhere else.

 

[_4_]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Take the game minimum designation off and I will make that bet - I realize it is in the NBA's best interest to have him win it, so I am at enough of a disadvantage already.

Nope, guy gets hurt and misses 40-50 games and I'm SOL. If he plays at least 70 I think he wins it.It's not a great bet on my part, I'm sure I'd get at least 2-1, probably 3-1 odds somewhere else.

Go somewhere else then. I will take the bet for $50 with no other parameters attached - he plays 8 games or 80, you are behind him all the way for ROY.

 

[Capella]

no bet then, should be easy money for you if you had some conviction

 

[_4_]

no bet then, should be easy money for you if you had some conviction

 

[Assani Fisher]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Capella, I'll take this bet.

 

[_4_]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Capella, I'll take this bet.

And I'll hold his money when he gets to Vegas!

 

[Capella]

Hi Sores-Can we get an idea from you what Greg Oden's career is going to look like? How many All-Star appearances, All-D teams, ROY, ppg/rpg/bpg averages? TIA.

Pretty sure he thinks Brian Butch is the better prospect.

13 years in the league, 9 all star appearances (leaning heavily toward the front of his career), all-rookie team, but not ROY, nine all defensive teams, no MVP awards, 2.1 blocks per game, 15.4 scoring average, 10.8 boards per game, 3 turnovers per game, will get busted for either smoking pot or a gun charge at least once in his career.

$50 bet on ROY? I get Oden, you get the field. Has to play a minimum of 70 games.

Capella, I'll take this bet.

You're taking the minimum games played right?