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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)

'Insein said:
'Deranged Hermit said:
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but the Eagles had had some draft discussions with KC. My guess would be that they're trying to position themselves to move up to draft the LB everyone's been clamoring for as he's expected to go about there. Note that no players names were mentioned to me, I filled in the blanks here.

Anyway, just passing along what I know....
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for and envisioned them shooting for. The 10 spot would get said LB. The other thing that puts hope on my side is that they so screwed up the Earl Thomas thing. An all pro safety waiting right there for you when you've spent 2 seasons post Dawkins looking for one and you go for an overachieving, combine warrior in Graham. So perhaps with that mistake still glaring at them in the face, they will learn.
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I am still crying over that one.
 
'Insein said:
'Deranged Hermit said:
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but the Eagles had had some draft discussions with KC. My guess would be that they're trying to position themselves to move up to draft the LB everyone's been clamoring for as he's expected to go about there. Note that no players names were mentioned to me, I filled in the blanks here.

Anyway, just passing along what I know....
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for and envisioned them shooting for. The 10 spot would get said LB. The other thing that puts hope on my side is that they so screwed up the Earl Thomas thing. An all pro safety waiting right there for you when you've spent 2 seasons post Dawkins looking for one and you go for an overachieving, combine warrior in Graham. So perhaps with that mistake still glaring at them in the face, they will learn.
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I was pissed over this ( stiill am ) . I let that be known on here lol.
 
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'Terpman22 said:
'Insein said:
'Deranged Hermit said:
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but the Eagles had had some draft discussions with KC. My guess would be that they're trying to position themselves to move up to draft the LB everyone's been clamoring for as he's expected to go about there. Note that no players names were mentioned to me, I filled in the blanks here.

Anyway, just passing along what I know....
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for and envisioned them shooting for. The 10 spot would get said LB. The other thing that puts hope on my side is that they so screwed up the Earl Thomas thing. An all pro safety waiting right there for you when you've spent 2 seasons post Dawkins looking for one and you go for an overachieving, combine warrior in Graham. So perhaps with that mistake still glaring at them in the face, they will learn.
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I am still crying over that one.
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Couldn't Kuechly be in this category possibly as well?
 
^ after them actually acknowledging their past few drafts have been less then stellar, i don't think they let it happen again

 
'CentralPA said:
'Terpman22 said:
'Insein said:
'Deranged Hermit said:
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but the Eagles had had some draft discussions with KC. My guess would be that they're trying to position themselves to move up to draft the LB everyone's been clamoring for as he's expected to go about there. Note that no players names were mentioned to me, I filled in the blanks here.

Anyway, just passing along what I know....
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for and envisioned them shooting for. The 10 spot would get said LB. The other thing that puts hope on my side is that they so screwed up the Earl Thomas thing. An all pro safety waiting right there for you when you've spent 2 seasons post Dawkins looking for one and you go for an overachieving, combine warrior in Graham. So perhaps with that mistake still glaring at them in the face, they will learn.
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I am still crying over that one.
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Couldn't Kuechly be in this category possibly as well?
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I don't think so. Kuechley was highly touted as the top LB prospect well before the senior bowl and combine. His performance there only solidfied his position. He may turn out to be a total bust but it would not be the same as graham. We had a definitive need in safety that year after the whole Macho Harris, Quinton Demps fiasco the previous year. Pass rusher was not nearly as needed. Brandon Graham wasn't even on draft experts radar for the Eagles. Graham was a talented guy shooting up draft boards after he started as an early 2nd, late 1st prospect to jump a possible teens selection. When the Eagles traded up, I had never been more certain in my life that they were going to draft Earl Thomas. I still remember sitting with my friends at my buddy's apartment just saying "Here we go. Earl Thomas baby." When they announced Graham, you could hear a pin drop at the level of dumbfoundedness we had. There have been some bad picks over the years but that one is the most glaring because they traded up to take Graham when Earl Thomas was right there.

 
'delusional said:
^ after them actually acknowledging their past few drafts have been less then stellar, i don't think they let it happen again
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Please go on record with your thoughts on Keuchly, trade up, etc so we know ahead of time which side of it you will deride. TIA
 
'Insein said:
'CentralPA said:
'Terpman22 said:
'Insein said:
'Deranged Hermit said:
Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but the Eagles had had some draft discussions with KC. My guess would be that they're trying to position themselves to move up to draft the LB everyone's been clamoring for as he's expected to go about there. Note that no players names were mentioned to me, I filled in the blanks here.

Anyway, just passing along what I know....
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for and envisioned them shooting for. The 10 spot would get said LB. The other thing that puts hope on my side is that they so screwed up the Earl Thomas thing. An all pro safety waiting right there for you when you've spent 2 seasons post Dawkins looking for one and you go for an overachieving, combine warrior in Graham. So perhaps with that mistake still glaring at them in the face, they will learn.
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I am still crying over that one.
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Couldn't Kuechly be in this category possibly as well?
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I don't think so. Kuechley was highly touted as the top LB prospect well before the senior bowl and combine. His performance there only solidfied his position. He may turn out to be a total bust but it would not be the same as graham. We had a definitive need in safety that year after the whole Macho Harris, Quinton Demps fiasco the previous year. Pass rusher was not nearly as needed. Brandon Graham wasn't even on draft experts radar for the Eagles. Graham was a talented guy shooting up draft boards after he started as an early 2nd, late 1st prospect to jump a possible teens selection. When the Eagles traded up, I had never been more certain in my life that they were going to draft Earl Thomas. I still remember sitting with my friends at my buddy's apartment just saying "Here we go. Earl Thomas baby." When they announced Graham, you could hear a pin drop at the level of dumbfoundedness we had. There have been some bad picks over the years but that one is the most glaring because they traded up to take Graham when Earl Thomas was right there.
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Well, then the way you put it :( I guess Graham is in a category of his own. I still have hopes for Graham though but yeah, Earl Thomas is looking like a horrible wiff right now.
 
Very happy with this move for DeMarco. He wasn't suited for the 3-4 and was very good in the 4-3 when the texans ran it before last season. Yes he tore his achilles in 2010, but the texans beat writers said he played very well in the 2nd half of last season.

 
Posted in the trade thread but applies here as well. From the Eagles' MB posted by a guy with some local Texans info:

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.

 
Trade is contingent on a physical tomorrow so there if there is any medical concern it will be voided. This is a great trade for the Eagles IMO.

 
'zadok said:
Trade is contingent on a physical tomorrow so there if there is any medical concern it will be voided. This is a great trade for the Eagles IMO.
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And just saw this posted in another thread about it
Posted on the Eagles' message board from a guy with some Texans insight. Take it FWIW:

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
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'JetMaxx said:
Posted in the trade thread but applies here as well. From the Eagles' MB posted by a guy with some local Texans info:

Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.

Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
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Of course the texans are going to say he isn't a shell of his former self. One of the best beat reporters in the NFL the texans John McClain said he played very well in the 2nd half of last season. He doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme they run now so he was expendable. And why would the cowboys be in this..they run a 3-4 he is not a 3-4 lb plus they signed dan connor to go inside with sean lee and they have bruce carter

 
Please don't refer to John McClain as the best at anything. Texans fans loathe him. And congrats to Philly fans, Demeco has alot left in the tank and was a fan favorite. He is made for the middle of a 4-3 and is a great run stuffer.

 
I'll take a deal like this all day for a 4 and a swap of 3's. IMO this has been an A offseason and if they can land another LBer or Barron in the draft it's an easy A+ IMO.

 
LOVE this deal. We're going to put him through the ringer physically, and as long as he's healthy we know he's an impact 4-3 MLB that was out of place (and unhealthy) in the 3-4 once Houston made the switch. Even if he's 75% of the player he was as a Pro Bowler, he's the best MLB we've had since Trotter was in his prime. :pickle:

 
'Jason Wood said:
LOVE this deal. We're going to put him through the ringer physically, and as long as he's healthy we know he's an impact 4-3 MLB that was out of place (and unhealthy) in the 3-4 once Houston made the switch. Even if he's 75% of the player he was as a Pro Bowler, he's the best MLB we've had since Trotter was in his prime. :pickle:
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Despite the injury concern I posted, I'm feeling like you. If one were to put a percentage on it, you said 75% of what he was, I'd take it for a 4 and swap of 3's. He will bring toughness, leadership, most importantly instinctive MLB play to a LB corps that is in sore need of all of it. Good deal.
 
The question I have now is who do they draft? Is there a player they can pick at 15 that would become an instant starter? Floyd, DeCastro, Keuchly were all impact starter possibilities prior to what has transpired. Barron? Seems early for him. OL? With the core locked up it would seem highly unlikely. DL again? Yikes, with their lack of drafting success at the position. CB? Do you draft a 3rd CB that high? It would seem that a trade back might be in the cards if a top DL prospect isn't there.

 
'JetMaxx said:
'Jason Wood said:
LOVE this deal. We're going to put him through the ringer physically, and as long as he's healthy we know he's an impact 4-3 MLB that was out of place (and unhealthy) in the 3-4 once Houston made the switch. Even if he's 75% of the player he was as a Pro Bowler, he's the best MLB we've had since Trotter was in his prime. :pickle:
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Despite the injury concern I posted, I'm feeling like you. If one were to put a percentage on it, you said 75% of what he was, I'd take it for a 4 and swap of 3's. He will bring toughness, leadership, most importantly instinctive MLB play to a LB corps that is in sore need of all of it. Good deal.
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Yeah it's hard not to like this. Low risk high reward. This prob puts an end to the kuechly talk though
 
'JetMaxx said:
The question I have now is who do they draft? Is there a player they can pick at 15 that would become an instant starter? Floyd, DeCastro, Keuchly were all impact starter possibilities prior to what has transpired. Barron? Seems early for him. OL? With the core locked up it would seem highly unlikely. DL again? Yikes, with their lack of drafting success at the position. CB? Do you draft a 3rd CB that high? It would seem that a trade back might be in the cards if a top DL prospect isn't there.
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If they feel Barron can start then it's not early at all. It can't hurt to go with another LBer either IMO but we are in a very versatile position now IMO
 
Eagles usually go BPA and it usually drives us mad. As we've noted, the last five years of drafts have not be very good and we need a strong draft. With Ryans acquired, I think this makes our pick more palatable no matter who it is. I can see Andy focusing on DL or OL in the 1st, restrengthening the trenches.

 
'Jason Wood said:
Eagles usually go BPA and it usually drives us mad. As we've noted, the last five years of drafts have not be very good and we need a strong draft. With Ryans acquired, I think this makes our pick more palatable no matter who it is. I can see Andy focusing on DL or OL in the 1st, restrengthening the trenches.
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Congrats Jason and Eagles fans - I really like Ryans on your team

 
Seeing Anthony Smith and J.J. Watt on NFL Network looking livid about Ryans being trades was pretty heartening stuff as an Eagles fan. Both said they flat out didn't like the trade but what could they do? They had to move on. They both said Ryan was the rock on the defense, the team's main leader, and the guy who would always settle them down if things started getting dicey.

 
I like it. I know Kuechley is slated as a Mike but I think grabbing him the draft too just turns one of our weaknesses into an instant strength going forward with Demaco and Luke in the corps. Doubtful Eagles go after him now though.

 
'Jason Wood said:
Luke K or not, we could still target a LB in the draft. It's not like it's 1st round and done.
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Ryans is an awesome pick up but the core of that LB group is still mediocre even with Ryans in the fold. I'd almost still draft Kuechly if he fell to them but if Poe or Cox are there it's a good bet they draft one of those guys. I'd still like Kuechly though.
 
It's nice to be surprised about something for a change. I messed up my back at work last night so I actually just found out this morning.

 
'CentralPA said:
'Jason Wood said:
Luke K or not, we could still target a LB in the draft. It's not like it's 1st round and done.
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Ryans is an awesome pick up but the core of that LB group is still mediocre even with Ryans in the fold. I'd almost still draft Kuechly if he fell to them but if Poe or Cox are there it's a good bet they draft one of those guys. I'd still like Kuechly though.
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Probably the plan at this point now that they've added ryans. Even though I too would still like Kuechley.
 
Roseman sure hits it out of the park with bringing Pro player personnel in. Last year Jenkins and Asomugha, this year with Ryans. He just needs a little hand holding with the draft. Very much an A+ off season so far for the Birds.

 
'renesauz said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'renesauz said:
Couldn't be more excited! What's left on his contract?
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According to eaglescap.com:Cap Value2012: 6.0M (Dead if cut, 1.45M)2013: 6.6M (Dead if cut, 0)2014: 6.8M (Dead if cut, 0)2015: 6.8M (Dead if cut, 0)
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Like it even more now....well worth it if he can get back to anything close to his top form....no risk if he can't. COuld be a tough decision year after year at 75% though
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Yes. Good gamble on Philly's part. Reading some of the tweets from his ex-teammates they hate the trade, they realize how valuable his leadership was and they are wondering what the Texans are doing right now.
 
You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.

 
'Jason Wood said:
You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.
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Never thought I'd see the phrase "Joe Banner is a beast" in any situation. :lmao:
 
'Jason Wood said:
You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.
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I don't know if I'd want to lock in long-term to a player with his injury history unless his hit was really, really low (like less than 3M per). If he is the goods, and he works out this year I'd be happy to keep him around year to year at his current hit knowing that if he gets hurt again you can cut him at no cost to your cap.
 
'Jason Wood said:
You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.
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Part of the reason the Texans had to move Demeco was his cap hit to the Texans. They actually are going to take a $4.1 million cap hit this yearbecause of the huge signing bonus they gave him before he got hurt (the pro-rated part of the bonus all gets accelerated into this year becauseof the trade). I think they basically had to cut Eric Winston to free up cap room to trade Demeco. This is all because the Texans have to think about resigning Matt Schaub, Duane Brown, Connor Barwin, and Glover Quin next year.For all that the Eagles front office has messed up in draft picks, it is nice to know they do know how to manage the cap. The Texans are goodfor the first time in team history, and the cap is forcing them to get rid of good players. The Texans are going to have to learn how to managethe cap better.
 
'CentralPA said:
'Jason Wood said:
Luke K or not, we could still target a LB in the draft. It's not like it's 1st round and done.
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Ryans is an awesome pick up but the core of that LB group is still mediocre even with Ryans in the fold. I'd almost still draft Kuechly if he fell to them but if Poe or Cox are there it's a good bet they draft one of those guys. I'd still like Kuechly though.
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Has anyone watched any of Poe's career or just the combine?WE DO NOT WANT POE!
 
That's my worry, too. He COULD be good and turn into a monster because he's an athletic freak, but I'd rather have someone who produced in college.

 
I honestly don't know enough about Poe's production in college to weigh in, but admittedly he's not a guy I remember hearing much about until his Combine performance. I'm always wary of guys who don't show up in any draftnik profiles in early mocks only to jet up to the mid 1st round after a big Combine.

 
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