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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (2 Viewers)

Bryce Brown:

The Curious Case of Bryce Brown by David_Wyatt on Mar 31, 2012 4:47 PM EDTI recently posted up my final mock draft of the season, one of the selections focused on former Tenneessee and Kansas State running back Bryce Brown. A highly regarded recruit that has been forgotten and recycled like yesterdays newspapers.I think every football fan likes a good story and with Bryce Brown, there is a story and a half. First and foremost he is a prospect for the 2012 NFL draft, he likely will be selected in the 6th or 7th round if at all. He has bagage and he is a complete mystery.He could be a complete waste, or he could make one General Manager look like an absolute genius. So lets go back to the start and focus on how we got here.Bryce Brown was and still is one of the most heralded high school football players in history. He finished his high school career with 7,209 yards inclusing a 2,000+ Sophmore campaign. He won the 2008 Hall Trophy award which is pretty much the high school equivalent of the Heisman trophy. He was highly regarded as the best running back to come out of Kansas since Barry Sanders.However this is where it all starts to unravel. Bryce's recruiting was an absolute farce; anyone who follows college recruiting closely will remember this as 'The Decision', before LeBron James and ESPN ever thought up the ridiculous idea. He had what you can only describe as a manager in Brian Butler, who sold news in relation to his workouts and the recruiting process on his own personal website for montly or yearly subscriptions.This led to the NCAA launching an investigation into Bryce's amateur status as a student athlete in High School Bryce verbally committed to the University of Miami but continued to take visits and hesitated to sign his letter of intention. He was a Diva, he wanted the attention. He said he would not sign a letter of intent on National Signing day and would instead hold a separate announcement on the 16th of March 2009.The problem was that Miami's scholarship offer expired on February 18th, and they would not re-issue another letter. Miami is a proud school who I believe didn't want to pander to the ego of a high school senior who seemed to be played by the puppet master Brian Butler. Eventually after much hype and much criticism, Bryce signed with Lane Kiffin and the Volunteers.In 2009 Bryce started to show why he was one of the most heralded high school recruits of the last decade. He had 4.3 speed with power in his 200+lb frame. He had the patience, the ability to catch out of the backfield and by all accounts the work ethic on the practise field to improve. He finished the season with 460 yards on 101 carries for a 4.6 yard average per carry and three touchdowns. He also caught 10 passes for 137 yards for 13.7 yards a catch and the single score.At the end of the 2009 season, Lane Kiffin bolted for USC and Derek Dooley took over the reigns at Tennessee. Brown managed the whole off-season program however left practise on the first day of Spring. He remained enrolled through the whole Spring semester before transferring to Kansas State in August to join his Brother Arthur who had transferred to Kansas State from Miami. Tennessee refused to release him from his scholarship so he had to support himself for the entire 2010 season which he sat out in accordance with NCAA rules.In a Yahoo sports exclusive in 2011, Bryce Brown was one of a number of players named in a report alleging student athletes received benefits which violated NCAA rules from booster Nevin Shapiro. Shapiro is currently imprisoned for orchestrating a $930 million Ponzi Scheme.After just three carries at Kansas State, Bryce Brown left the Kansas State football team. With two years of eligibality remaining, Bryce has decided to enter the 2012 draft early. I've always been impressed with Bryce when he is just playing football. The problem is that he has never just been able to play football. He's always had some form of distraction.Bryce is 20 years old and as I mentioned at the start. He will either fall off the face of the football planet or make a GM look like a genius.
 
Very happy with the draft. Can't remember a recent draft where we got so many players that the fans wanted.

I feel they got BPA and it fit well with their needs too.

 
They absolutely killed Burfict in a recent discussion on ESPN. Dilfer went so far as to say that there are two typs of players in the locker room, one that breaths life into it and one that sucks it all out. He said in talking to the ASU people Burfict falls into the latter BIG TIME. Selfish, "Me" player on the field and off. Plays undisciplined and takes no responsibility for the foolish penalties. Then he fails the drug test and runs 5+ sec 40 at the Combine. I'm all about a crazy LB but the negative energy stuff is a big turn off.
Sounds like Ryan Leaf. Remember the game he had the 5 TO and then got into with a teammate in the locker room? Didn't want to put any responsibility on himself.
 
Any particular players you're hoping we pursue as a UDFA? I'm thinking Ryan Steed... very surprised he wasn't picked.
That Owusu guy WR from Stan and I would like to see them get Keenum if possible. I'd love to have a list of players in front of me that didn't go drafted. There should be a few good value pick ups there.
 
I think Dave Meggett from Maryland could be a nice COP RB.

DeAngelo Peterson from LSU at TE.

James Brown from Troy was supposed to be a Rd 4 guard.

CB Chase Minnifield, Virginia

S Duke Ihenacho from San Jose State

and of course Chris Polk if he's healthy.

A few names out there. Good talent pool.

 
Any particular players you're hoping we pursue as a UDFA? I'm thinking Ryan Steed... very surprised he wasn't picked.
That Owusu guy WR from Stan and I would like to see them get Keenum if possible. I'd love to have a list of players in front of me that didn't go drafted. There should be a few good value pick ups there.
Owusu had 2-3 concussions last year - that's why he didn't get drafted.
 
Wow talk about RAW - Brice Brown should be interesting to watch this preseason...
I know nothing about this guy.ETA: From the description on ESPN...sounds like a perfect high upside 7th round pick though :thumbup: Best draft ever?
Just like the last pick in a fantasy league (aside from a kicker pick).... swing for the fences. Else why draft him - sign as a UDFA.Go big or go home. That's what Round 7 should be all about.
 
At this point I'll take it. He's not Kafka 2.0. Not as mobile but a bigger guy, stronger arm with better pocket sense under pressure. Clearly not a walk in the door stud but at this point in the draft, give me an upside QB that can learn from one of the best QB gurus. No one else is as appealing or valuable. At 6'5", 245lb and not mobile, he is clearly different than any QB we've had here in a VERY long time.
Im sorry, how is he NOT Kafka 2.0? Late round small'er school QB with lots of upside. Seriously, how is he any different than the day we drafted Kafka?
 
eagles are taking cousins. not a fan at all, but has been good draft so far. would have rather taken the ot massie that felledit: foles.. also not a fan I guess we are dumping kafkaI can't see us keeping all four: vick, edwards, kafka and foles. so who is out?
I think Edwards is gone if he doesn't win the back up job.
THat would mean Kafka or a rookie would be the backup QB. I dont see it
 
I'll throw another QB name in the mix.

From a raw ability and skill set, I could see Jordan Jefferson from LSU being brought in as he could fit the Vick mold and run a similar offense.

 
Any particular players you're hoping we pursue as a UDFA? I'm thinking Ryan Steed... very surprised he wasn't picked.
That Owusu guy WR from Stan and I would like to see them get Keenum if possible. I'd love to have a list of players in front of me that didn't go drafted. There should be a few good value pick ups there.
Owusu had 2-3 concussions last year - that's why he didn't get drafted.
I know that was the reason but I think he'd be worth the risk especially now that rosters are expanding from 75-90 for TC and all. You can take extra risks now.
 
At this point I'll take it. He's not Kafka 2.0. Not as mobile but a bigger guy, stronger arm with better pocket sense under pressure. Clearly not a walk in the door stud but at this point in the draft, give me an upside QB that can learn from one of the best QB gurus. No one else is as appealing or valuable. At 6'5", 245lb and not mobile, he is clearly different than any QB we've had here in a VERY long time.
Im sorry, how is he NOT Kafka 2.0? Late round small'er school QB with lots of upside. Seriously, how is he any different than the day we drafted Kafka?
Kafka was a very poor man's Kirk Cousins coming out. Very little upside.
 
I'll throw another QB name in the mix.From a raw ability and skill set, I could see Jordan Jefferson from LSU being brought in as he could fit the Vick mold and run a similar offense.
No thank you. Guy can't throw at all. It's beyond me how LSU won so many games with that guy at QB. I watched him all through college. If the guy ever makes it he's a 3rd QB at best. He basically another Tarvaris Jackson.
 
Uh...Kelly is a UDFA candidate, not a 5th rounder. :(
I have no idea who Kelly is. None.
NFL.com's draft tracker doesn't even have height/weight listed for him. Unreal.
6'8" , 304 lbs.. King Dunlap like....LOL
Reading he didn't get invited to the combine because he was considered to be an UDFA and had a playing weight of 300lbs so many scouts considered him to be undersized. Then he bulked up to 321 for Purdue's pro day and was impressive (re: a workout warrior). He's a major project, but in 3 years or so, if he can bulk up more, he could be a replacement for Peters.
Obviously their scouting department liked him since he was one of the 30 pre draft visits that came to NovaCare.http://skinnypost.co...delphia-eagles/

I didn't know who Todd Heremans was either, or didn't think much of the Kelce pick. Sorry, but I'm going to trust Hoawrd Mudd's judgement, seemed to do a good job last year.
Some of us did know Heremans and Kelce and applauded their selections. There is no value at this point for Kelly that's all.
Nonsense. Philly had him in for a visit, they didn't pull this selection out of thin air. It's the 5th round, I love how you understand their draft board and the value they see better then they do. The story of this draft is their first three picks, if they can realistically contribute, which everyone seems to be categorically in agreement of, then they significantly upgraded a defense that showed us NOTHING last year.
Ive hated every Eagles draft I can remember ... until this one. Pretty amazing that every Eagles fan is only coplaining about our 4th round project QB and 6'8 312 project OT in the 5th.We should be burning couches people, this is a day to remember

 
If anyone has the time, the Eagles have two videos up of Vinny Curry (one press conference and one where he goes in studio). I'm already a huge fan of this guy. Great character. Big thumbs up for this draft. Can't wait for the season.

 
LOVED our first three picks. Absolutely LOVED them. Hate Foles. But not surprised they took him. :shrug:Still need a DB to compete, DRC is not a starting caliber CB for a contender.
Care to elaborate on why you "hate" Foles?
Care to elaborate on why DRC is not a starter for a contender?
:confused: Not sure why you're asking me to elaborate on something I didn't say. :lmao:
lol, it was a compliment really as I used your exact quote to ask Wood the same question. ... i thought it was funny ;)
 
LOVED our first three picks. Absolutely LOVED them. Hate Foles. But not surprised they took him. :shrug:Still need a DB to compete, DRC is not a starting caliber CB for a contender.
Care to elaborate on why you "hate" Foles?
Care to elaborate on why DRC is not a starter for a contender?
:confused: Not sure why you're asking me to elaborate on something I didn't say. :lmao:
lol, it was a compliment really as I used your exact quote to ask Wood the same question. ... i thought it was funny ;)
:doh: :whoosh: :lol:
 
Eagles sign CB CLiff Harris out of Oreg Harris can return kicks and was pretty electrifying with it.

Also sign Phillip Thomas CB out of Syracuse

 
Big Name UDFA (Unsigned)

Chase Minnifield

Dwight Jones

Ryan Steed - Signed with New York Jets

Chris Polk - Signed with Philadelphia Eagles

Dale Moss - Signed with Green Bay Packers

Vontaze Burfict - Signed with Cincinnati Bengals

Matt Daniels - Signed with St. Louis Rams

Leonard Johnson - Signed with Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jeff Fuller - Signed with Miami Dolphins

Kellen Moore - Signed with Detroit Lions

Cliff Harris - Signed with Philadelphia Eagles

UDFA (Signed)

Marcus Forston, DL, Miami - New England Patriots

Scott Wedige, OL, Northern Illinois - Arizona Cardinals

Jarrett Boykin, WR, VTech - Jacksonville Jaguars

Mario Louis, WR, Grambling St - Houston Texans

Jeremy Caldwell, CB, EKU - St. Louis Rams

Chaz Powell, CB, Penn State - Oakland Raiders

Ronald Leary, OG, Memphis - Dallas Cowboys

Jeff Adams, OT, Columbia - Dallas Cowboys

Darius Reynolds, WR, Iowa State - Green Bay Packers

Stephfon Green, RB, Penn State - New York Jets

Garrett Celek, TE, Michigan State - San Francisco 49ers

Brian Linthicum, TE, Michigan State - New York Jets

Thomas Mayo, WR, Cal (Pa) - Oakland Raiders

Laron Scott, CB, Georgia Southern - New Orleans Saints

Braylon Broughton, OLB, TCU - New Orleans Saints

Logan Brock, TE, TCU - Houston Texans

Nate Eachus, RB, Colgate - Kansas City Chiefs

Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State - Jacksonville Jaguars

Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Cincinnati Bengals

Nick Provo, TE, Syracuse - Baltimore Ravens

Devin Goda, WR, Slippery Rock - Baltimore Ravens

Josh Bellamy, WR Louisville - Kansas City Chiefs

Brandon Kinnie, WR Nebraska - Kansas City Chiefs

Lance Lewis, WR, ECU - Oakland Raiders

Taylor Dever, OT, Notre Dame - Dallas Cowboys

Chad Faulcon, SAF, Montclair St - Atlanta Falcons

Deonte Thompson, WR, Florida - Baltimore Ravens

Antonio Dennard, CB, Langston - Jacksonville Jaguars

Drew Butler, P, Georgia - Pittsburgh Steelers

Delano Howell, SAF, Stanford - Buffalo BIlls

Nick Sukay, SAF, Penn State - Buffalo BIlls

Shawn Powell, P, FSU - Buffalo BIlls

Tyler Horn, OC, Miami - Atlanta Falcons

Matt Daniels, S, Duke - St. Louis Rams

Case Keenum, QB, Houston - Houston Texans

Nick Jean-Baptiste, DT, Baylor - Baltimore Ravens

Jamie Blatnick, DE, Oklahoma State - Denver Broncos

Elliot Coffey, LB, Baylor - Denver Broncos

Mike Remmers, OT, Oregon State - Denver Broncos

Demario Pippen, RB, Jackson State - Denver Broncos

Coryell Judie, CB, Texas A&M - Denver Broncos

Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State - Cincinnati Bengals

Markus Zusevics, OT, Iowa - New England Patriots

Troy Woolfork, CB, Michigan - Dallas Cowboys

Phillip Thomas, CB, Syracuse - Philadelphia Eagles

Justin Hinton, Indiana St, WR - CIncinnati Bengals

Brandon Lindsey, LB, Pitt - Pittsburgh Steelers

Phillip Payne, WR, UNLV - San Diego Chargers

Michael Haynes, RB, Houston - San Diego Chargers

GJ Kinne, QB, Tulsa - New York Jets

DJ Bryant, DE, James Madison - Houston Texans

Lamark Brown, WR, Minn-Mankato - Atlanta Falcons

Eric Page, WR, Toledo - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Dominique Hamilton, DT, Missouri - Oakland Raiders

Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Cory Pearcy, WR, Huntington - Atlanta Falcons

Al Netter, OG, Northwestern - San Francisco 49ers

Joe Holland, OLB, Purdue - San Francisco 49ers

Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee - Seattle Seahawks

Jose Gumbs, SAF, Monmouth - St. Louis Rams

Drew Nowak, DT, Western Michigan - Jacksonville Jaguars

Ryan van Bergen, DE, Michigan - Carolina Panthers

Josh Cooper, WR, Oklahoma State - Cleveland Browns

Kevin Elliot, WR, Florida A&M - Jacksonville Jaguars

Jacquies Smith, DE, Missouri - Miami Dolphins

Jonas Gray, RB, Notre Dame - Miami Dolphins

Eain Smith, S, WVU - Washington Redskins

Patrick Schiller, LB, Northern Illinois - Atlanta Falcons

Ronnie Cameron, DT, Old Dominion - Chicago Bears

Marqutte King, P, Fort Valley State - Oakland Raiders

Lee Barbiasz, OT, Northern Colorado - Jacksonville Jaguars

John Brantley, QB, Florida - Baltimore Ravens

Dontell Johnson, DB, Murray State - Jacksonville Jaguars

Sean McGrath, TE, Henderson State - Seattle Seahawks

Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin - Oakland Raiders

Desmond Marrow, FS, Toledo - Houston Texans

Derek Dimke, K, Illinois - Detroit Lions

Josh Harris, LS, Auburn - Atlanta Falcons

Damon Harrison, DT, William Penn - New York Jets

Steven Johnson, LB, Kansas - Denver Broncos

Jeremiah Warren, OL, South Florida - New England Patriots

Julian Miller, DE, West Virginia - Cincinnati Bengals

JK Schaffer, LB, Cincinnati - Jacksonville Jaguars

Rico Wallace, WR, Shenandoah - Carolina Panthers

Ryan Steed, CB, Furman - New York Jets

Duke Ihenacho, S, San Jose State - Denver Broncos

Austin Wuebbels, OG, Missouri - Denver Broncos

Micah Pellerin CB, Hampton - Indianapolis Colts

Scott Wedige, OL, Northern Illinois - Chicago Bears

Monte Taylor, DE, Cincinnati - Seattle Seahawks

Jerrell Jackson, SAF, Missouri - Houston Texans

Shawn Loiseau, LB, Merrimack - Houston Texans

Jabin Sambrano, WR, Montana - Indianapolis Colts

Janzen Jackson, S, McNeese State - New York Giants

Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State - Detroit Lions

Bobby Felder, CB, Nicholls St - Minnesota Vikings

Wes Kemp, WR, Missouri - Carolina Panthers

Dale Moss, WR, South Dakota St - Green Bay Packers

Derrick Shelby, DE, Utah - Miami Dolphins

Derek Moye, WR, Penn State - Miami Dolphins

Charles Brown, CB, UNC - Baltimore Ravens

Brian Tymes, WR, FAMU - San Francisco 49ers

Nathan Palmer, WR, NIU - San Francisco 49ers

Austin Johnson, LB, Tennessee - Baltimore Ravens

Chyl Quarles, SAF, Wake Forest - Baltimore Ravens

Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon - Philadelphia Eagles

Darrell Scott, RB, USF - Dallas Cowboys

Chris Owusu, WR, Stanford - San Francisco 49ers

Chase Ford, TE, Miami - Philadelphia Eagles

Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College - New York Jets

Tyson Hartman, S, Kansas State - Kansas City Chiefs

Chris Polk, RB, Washington - Philadelphia Eagles

Kelcie McCray, S, Arkansas State - Miami Dolphins

Jeff Fuller, WR, Texas A&M - Miami Dolphins

Brett Roy, DE, Nevada - New York Jets

Ryan Davis, DE, Bethune-Cookman - Jacksonville Jaguars

Matt Veldman, TE, ND State - Jacksonville Jaguars

 
As I posted in the Rookie FA thread, the Polk signing is intruiging from a fantasy standpoint. For a highly productive and seemingly talented guy that went undrafted, he's entering a fantastic situation on a high scoring team with a stud RB and no clear cut backup. He'll battle 5'7" Dion Lewis and Bryce Brown for the spot. Probably a medical red flag but very strange to see a guy like Brown get drafted and not Polk and then go to the same team.

 
As I posted in the Rookie FA thread, the Polk signing is intruiging from a fantasy standpoint. For a highly productive and seemingly talented guy that went undrafted, he's entering a fantastic situation on a high scoring team with a stud RB and no clear cut backup. He'll battle 5'7" Dion Lewis and Bryce Brown for the spot. Probably a medical red flag but very strange to see a guy like Brown get drafted and not Polk and then go to the same team.
Reid said he didn't want to get into a bidding war for Brown so they took him. Not sure why they just didn't take Polk though. Only have a limited amount of money you can spend to sign these UDFAs.
 
As I posted in the Rookie FA thread, the Polk signing is intruiging from a fantasy standpoint. For a highly productive and seemingly talented guy that went undrafted, he's entering a fantastic situation on a high scoring team with a stud RB and no clear cut backup. He'll battle 5'7" Dion Lewis and Bryce Brown for the spot. Probably a medical red flag but very strange to see a guy like Brown get drafted and not Polk and then go to the same team.
Reid said he didn't want to get into a bidding war for Brown so they took him. Not sure why they just didn't take Polk though. Only have a limited amount of money you can spend to sign these UDFAs.
Which conversely makes me wonder why there would be a bidding war for Brown and not Polk.
 
Man I'm really happy with this draft. Upgraded the defense quite a bit and have a couple guys who looks like they'll be able to contribute starting week 1. I don't know much about Foles and not thrilled with the pick, but I will trust Andy when he comes to his evaluations of QBs. And I love drafting Brown and signing Polk. A couple of guys who could be homeruns for almost no risk.

I usually hate the Eagles after the draft...but really can't find much to complain about today. Props to Andy, Howie, DH's buddy and the rest of the front office!

 
Been following the Eagles for a while now, and the draft very closely for every Reid draft. I have not been as satisfied and as happy immediately after a draft than this one. Absolute perfection - seems all Andy needed was a good "cabinet" around him to advise him better on matters of O/D-line. Unbelievable. :banned: :eek:

 
Aaron Pflugrad – WR – Arizona State

Elvis Akpla – WR – Montana State

Review so far who has signed UDFA wise for The Eagles.

Chris Polk – RB – Washington

Cliff Harris – CB – Oregon

Phillip Thomas – S – Syracuse

Chase Ford – TE – Miami

Emil Igegwanu – TE – UMass

Matt Camilli – LS – UTEP

Elvis Akpla – WR – Montana State

Ryan Tydlacka – P – Kentucky

Aaron Pflugrad – WR – Arizona State

 
They even hit the UDFAs out the park. Cliff Harris and Polk --- both worth a flyer.

A+ draft. Kudos to all.
If Harris keeps his head on he'd be steal.
Review so far who has signed UDFA wise for The Eagles.Chris Polk – RB – Washington

Cliff Harris – CB – Oregon

Phillip Thomas – S – Syracuse

Chase Ford – TE – Miami

Emil Igegwanu – TE – UMass

Matt Camilli – LS – UTEP

Elvis Akpla – WR – Montana State

Ryan Tydlacka – P – Kentucky

Aaron Pflugrad – WR – Arizona State

Damaris Johnson, WR, Tulsa

Bold= New addition to the list

Eagles have 5 spots on the roster left. Was at 75 after the Brown pick in the 7th RD. Rosters were expanded from 75-90 for Pre Season and Camp this year.

 
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