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*** 2013 Oakland Raiders thread *** (1 Viewer)

Raider Nation said:
Whoa...

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora is "hearing" the Chiefs will likely select Central Michigan LT Eric Fisher with the No. 1 pick if they can't deal disgruntled LT Branden Albert before the draft.The reasoning is vague, but the Chiefs apparently believe Fisher would be better suited to the "power game" at right tackle than Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel if they kept Albert on the blindside. It seems odd that the Chiefs' choice of Fisher or Joeckel would come down to Albert Why would the presence Albert be the determining factor in who they liked better if both players play the same position? but it's the time of year for odd reasoning. There's still plenty of time for Albert to be traded for Thursday evening.
It seemed to be a foregone conclusion for a few weeks that Joeckel was heading to KC.Of course, La Canfora is wrong... a lot.
Wow. Raider Nation post Chiefs news in the Raiders thread. The Chachinator is not impressed
 
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(Rotoworld)Center Stefen Wisniewski expects Darren McFadden to "thrive" in the Raiders' new running scheme.

Analysis: Instead of running laterally and then making a cut, McFadden is now being asked to get his shoulders square and go. "It's a downhill offense," McFadden said at last week's first minicamp under new OC Greg Olson. "That's one of the things I like about it. I'm the type of guy I like to get going downhill, so I'm looking forward to it." McFadden is a virtual lock to get back over 4.0 yards per carry after recording a woeful 3.27 mark in that category last year.

Can't wait to see him play. 1200/10-12 250/3

 
I don't understand why the Raiders don't take Geno Smith.

This is McKenzie's 1st premier draft pick, he will get his guy. Geno is smart and be the best QB the Raiders have had since...Gannon?

Matt Flynn can start this year or at least compete for the job. Geno can be groomed for the job or if he wins it outright, start from day 1. The NFL is about a difference maker at the QB position, why not grab that guy? Geno threw 98 TDs and 21 INTs in college, he's going to be at least an average starting QB.

 
Shoot... They just might! Who knows? I hope they don't. The problem is, they need players. This isn't a draft to grab a skill position player. The majority of the elite talent appears to be in the trenches. Next year they can draft a QB if there's one they like.

I don't understand why the Raiders don't take Geno Smith.

This is McKenzie's 1st premier draft pick, he will get his guy. Geno is smart and be the best QB the Raiders have had since...Gannon?

Matt Flynn can start this year or at least compete for the job. Geno can be groomed for the job or if he wins it outright, start from day 1. The NFL is about a difference maker at the QB position, why not grab that guy? Geno threw 98 TDs and 21 INTs in college, he's going to be at least an average starting QB.
 
I don't understand why the Raiders don't take Geno Smith.

This is McKenzie's 1st premier draft pick, he will get his guy. Geno is smart and be the best QB the Raiders have had since...Gannon?

Matt Flynn can start this year or at least compete for the job. Geno can be groomed for the job or if he wins it outright, start from day 1. The NFL is about a difference maker at the QB position, why not grab that guy? Geno threw 98 TDs and 21 INTs in college, he's going to be at least an average starting QB.
Your post answers your question. If you are drafting a QB at 3 overall you can not take a player who is going to be an average starting QB and thats what a lot of people think Smith will be.

 
I don't understand why the Raiders don't take Geno Smith.

This is McKenzie's 1st premier draft pick, he will get his guy. Geno is smart and be the best QB the Raiders have had since...Gannon?

Matt Flynn can start this year or at least compete for the job. Geno can be groomed for the job or if he wins it outright, start from day 1. The NFL is about a difference maker at the QB position, why not grab that guy? Geno threw 98 TDs and 21 INTs in college, he's going to be at least an average starting QB.
Your post answers your question. If you are drafting a QB at 3 overall you can not take a player who is going to be an average starting QB and thats what a lot of people think Smith will be.
I think his floor is average starting QB in the NFL, that's not his ceiling. This is strictly NFL, not FF by the way.

 
- Building upon on news we posted yesterday, sources tell me if either of the top two tackles are available when theyOakland Raiders are called to the clock the team will considering flipping picks with the Detroit Lions. The Lions will select the remaining tackle while the Raiders will take Shariff Floyd/Florida or Star Lotulelei/Utah at five.

From Tony Pauline.

This falls in line with my earlier post, about trading down. I really think the Raider will have trade down options, which is all I can ask. I don't even want a blockbuster, just an extra 2nd, or a 3rd/4th.

 
I'm not sure of the details, but I have it on pretty solid info that Oakland will definitely trade down. They have some pretty good offers already and should get the best deal right before they go on the clock. And my pal feels that Oakland has no interest whatsoever in Geno.

 
I'm not sure of the details, but I have it on pretty solid info that Oakland will definitely trade down. They have some pretty good offers already and should get the best deal right before they go on the clock. And my pal feels that Oakland has no interest whatsoever in Geno.
Thanks for sharing. Please check in with your pal today if you can. Rumors started to surface last night that Cleveland also is looking at our pick trying to get to Ziggy Ansah. So much is smokescreen right now, it's tough to get an accurate feel on what Reggie is going to do.

 
I'm not sure of the details, but I have it on pretty solid info that Oakland will definitely trade down. They have some pretty good offers already and should get the best deal right before they go on the clock. And my pal feels that Oakland has no interest whatsoever in Geno.
Thanks for sharing. Please check in with your pal today if you can. Rumors started to surface last night that Cleveland also is looking at our pick trying to get to Ziggy Ansah. So much is smokescreen right now, it's tough to get an accurate feel on what Reggie is going to do.
Sounding more and more like a trade down, which I am starting to actually believe.

They could trade down twice, I bet, but I don't think Reggie gets that cute. I think we wind up going down to 5 or so. Not sure if I buy the Browns interest in moving up. Although Dion Jordan is sexy in any team running a 3-4. Twitter is saying Mingo, but not sure if I believe any of that.

I am secretly intrigued with the idea of making a deal with the Chargers. I could envision a scenario where the Cahrgers give up the farm to get Johnson or Fisher at our pick. They aren't getting an OT at their pick, and they need one. Bad.

 
http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

Draft value chart. Fun exercise--what should the Raiders expect, in a trade down with various teams???

Our Pick: 2200 points.

Detroit--5th overall: 1700 points.

Their 2nd rounder is 540 points, the Raiders would probably want that pick in the deal, but I wouldn't be mad if they took less.

3rd rounder is 255 points. Possibly the 3rd and a 2nd or 3rd next year? I could see it, if Detroit envisions themselves picking a lot lower next year. This one seems pretty easy to happen, if Detroit actually wants to move up. Jags take Jordan, I'd like to bet money on us moving down.

Cleveland--6th overall. 1600 points.

Their 2nd rounder fits quite nicely, but whoops, their 2nd rounder is already on the team, Josh Gordon. 6th pick in the 3rd round=240 points. It's gonna take more than that. 3rd this year, plus a 2nd next year? Tough to see how this happens.

Arizona--7th overall. 1500 points.

They just traded for our QB, could they trade up with us to get the LT to protect him? Their 2nd rounder is 520. 3rd rounder is 235. A 1-2-3 seems steep, maybe Reggie settles for 1-2-4, if he thinks Floyd/Star will be there. If we are looking at getting the MOST for our pick, in terms of volume of picks, and still get Floyd, this is probably our best bet.

My thoughts change beyond these spots. if we move down further, I don't think there'll be any "We'll take a little bit less than normal" deals. If the Chargers/Jets/Dolphins want the spot, they pay full retail. Much less chance the Raiders can feel good about getting a certain player if they slide beyond the Cardinals.

San Diego--11th overall. 1250 points.

I know this is unlikely, if not almost impossible. Just wondering what it would take. It's almost a 1,000 point difference. It'd probably take their 2nd and 3rd this year, and their 2nd next year, OR, their 1st next year, PLUS something. San Diego may just take Fluker or Warmack or Cooper.

Miami--12th overall. 1200 points.

2nd--11th pick--470 points.

2nd --24th pick--340 points.

3rd--15th pick--195 points.

3rd--20th pick--170 points.

Wow. If Miami wants a corner or a LT, no problem. They have the ammo. Their 1st and two 2nds fits quite nicely, thank you very much. FIns fans would go bonkers, I am sure. Long shot, pipe dream.

 
I am hearing you and Atlanta have a deal in place if their player is there. Would be a huge trade with picks and players going back to you guys. I assume the Falcons want Jordan.

 
I am hearing you and Atlanta have a deal in place if their player is there. Would be a huge trade with picks and players going back to you guys. I assume the Falcons want Jordan.
I don't see the Falcons having the firepower. They would have to give us next year's #1 pick and a bounty of other picks, and even then it's not close on the trade calculator. Who are they going to toss in? Julio?

 
Nice breakdown of trade scenarios using the calculator. Somehow I don't think we end up getting back fair value according to the calculator. I hope I'm wrong.

Of the scenarios listed, I really like the trade to Arizona. Getting Star or Floyd plus the Arizona 2nd and 4th round picks would be huge.

 
Nice breakdown of trade scenarios using the calculator. Somehow I don't think we end up getting back fair value according to the calculator. I hope I'm wrong.

Of the scenarios listed, I really like the trade to Arizona. Getting Star or Floyd plus the Arizona 2nd and 4th round picks would be huge.
Yep.

You know, I was thinking about the idea of not getting fair value.

I think we will. Just because everyone knows we want to moved down, doesn't mean they are the only team on the phone. If you want Fisher or Jordan, or Johnson, you need to be concerned about another team being on the other line. Do you run the risk of not getting your guy, just because you are bargain hunting?

It's not like the Raiders seem to be unhappy with Floyd. It's a rare commodity, a true 3-tech, with a crystal clear injury history, and no red flags. The Raiders can always take the guy they like, right there. They are truly not desperate to trade down, it'd just be really, really nice to get an extra pick, and STILL get their guy.

 
#5: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

We continue this year's series with Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd, whose life story reads like the defensive version of "The Blind Side." Michael Lewis' book about Michael Oher's nightmarish upbringing.

As NFL.com's Jeff Darlington recently revealed in an outstanding profile, Floyd tried to spend as much as time alone as possible in the North Philadelphia neighborhood where he grew up -- away from the man who abused him. The man he thought was his father.

"It was just me, you know?" Floyd told Darlington. "And it was great. I mean, I had a lot of time to think to myself. No one really asked how I felt about anything or how I was doing about anything. But if I could change anything in my life, honestly, I wouldn't change a thing."

Floyd was fifteen years old when he finally discovered that the man who had abused him mentally and physically throughout his childhood wasn't even his biological father. His real father was dead, and his mother had acquired a drug habit.

"People want to make excuses, saying some guys are just the products of their environment," Florida head coach Will Muschamp told Darlington. "Sharrif Floyd defies that theory. There is no reason he should be the kid he is right now. His background is as tough as anyone I've been around."

Floyd found help and a way to a new life through football and the care of a lot of people from high school into college. Though he didn't watch a football game until 2007, he went to Florida as perhaps the top high school defensive lineman in the country, and once he got a chance to shine at the NCAA level, there was no turning back.

At 6-foot-3 and 297 pounds, Floyd is a surprisingly advanced player for his experience level (just one full season as a starter), and after starting the final 11 games of the 2011 season at defensive end, he anchored inside in 2012 and dominated nearly every opponent he faced. He put together 46 tackles, 13.0 tackles for loss, one sack in the regular season, and two in the Sugar Bowl against Louisville. The third-ranked Gators lost that game in a 33-23 upset, but Floyd had made his mark. Stack all that on top of a combine performance in which he clocked a 4.92 in the 40-yard dash, and it's easy to see why he's at or near the top of the list at his position.

Pros: Produces legitimately and consistently from everywhere on the defensive front -- Floyd is a potential game-changer from end to one-tech shade tackle, though his NFL future is most likely inside for the most part. Hits the line with great speed and an outstanding hand-strike, which allows him to stay active against protection. Stack-and-shed player who bounces off initial contact and moves to make the play. Has perhaps the best overall array of hand moves of any defensive lineman in this draft class -- will use rip and swim moves to get free from wrestling matches. Presents an outstanding bull-rush when he uses leverage correctly. Accelerates quickly to full speed and can move through a pocket in a hurry.


Good wrap tackler who uses his upper-body strength to stop plays at the point of contact. Covers a lot of ground and can stop plays outside the numbers when he has free space. As an end, beats high-caliber tackles for pass pressures and could be even better outside with technique improvements. Has the agility to back off from the line into short coverage. Tough player who will play through pain -- cramped up against Texas A&M and came back into the game looking even better than before.

Cons: Could be a function of read-and-react fronts, but Floyd doesn't always fire off the snap with optimal quickness -- you'd like to see more explosiveness at times. Vulnerable to cut-blocks. Will lose his place when walled off to one side and flail at tackle attempts in space. Nice motor through the play, but tends to run himself out of the action at times. Needs to play under control more consistently. May have topped out from a physical stature perspective, which may limit his snaps inside the three-tech role.

Conclusion: Where Floyd stands out in this draft class is in the multiplicity of his game -- the varied ways in which he can affect opposing offenses as a true multi-gap weapon (not just as a big guy who stops things up when you move him around), and the different techniques he's learned that allow him to deal with blockers. The latter ability should prove especially valuable to NFL teams that must be frustrated by the overall lack of developed hand moves in this year's class of pass-rushers. This is a well-developed player with still more upside to come, and the kind of mentality that will bring him very close to the ultimate realization of his athletic potential.

 
It must be nice for Oakland fans to finally have a GM in place that seems to "get it". Hopefully ownership exhibits patience with him and allows his vision to take place. The NFL is a better league when the Raiders are relevant.

 
On the NFL network they just said the Raiders are getting a lot of calls from teams wanting to trade up to their #3 pick.
;)

I believe Oakland is going to get a very sweet deal/deals for their pick. Lots of interest and from what I understand, very good deals for us. That said, the best value is going to happen when we are on the clock. I don't have specifics, but the post above about Atlanta seems to be on the order of what my pal is hearing/sensing. Gonna be a fun night :thumbup:

 
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On the NFL network they just said the Raiders are getting a lot of calls from teams wanting to trade up to their #3 pick.
;)

I believe Oakland is going to get a very sweet deal/deals for their pick. Lots of interest and from what I understand, very good deals for us. That said, the best value is going to happen when we are on the clock. I don't have specifics, but the post above about Atlanta seems to be on the order of what my pal is hearing/sensing. Gonna be a fun night :thumbup:
Geez, ATL would have to give up a TON.

 
Adam Caplan@caplannfl1m
#Raiders are the hot spot at #3 for teams wanting a LT. That will be common theme leading up to the beginning of the draft.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/25/raiders-talking-to-several-teams-about-trading-down/

Raiders talking to several teams about trading downPosted by Michael David Smith on April 25, 2013, 12:32 PM EDT
APThe first trade of today’s first round may revolve around Oakland, where there’s increasing talk that the Raiders will trade down from the third overall pick.

Oakland is getting a lot of calls from teams that want to move up to No. 3, according to Albert Breer and Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. The Raiders have previously said they’re getting calls about the third pick but that they’re not actively shopping it.

The Raiders may only be passively shopping the pick, but they might find themselves with an offer that’s too good to pass up. Teams including the Lions (who own the No. 5 pick), Browns (No. 6), Cardinals (No. 7) and Dolphins (No. 12) have been mentioned as having interest in moving up.

So who would be the target of a trade up? The names that have been mentioned most often are whichever of the three top offensive tackles (Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel and Lane Johnson) are still on the board, plus Florida defensive tackleSharrif Floyd and BYU defensive end Ziggy Ansah.

In the final hours before the draft, teams keep things extremely close to the vest, and everything we hear needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But the Raiders trading down is one of the scenarios we’re hearing most.

About freaking time we had a little good luck, having a lever spot in the draft. We've earned some good luck.

 
It must be nice for Oakland fans to finally have a GM in place that seems to "get it". Hopefully ownership exhibits patience with him and allows his vision to take place. The NFL is a better league when the Raiders are relevant.
From a recent interview with Raiders owner Mark Davis, he said Reggie would get the full 5 years to see through his plan. We are going to take our lumps much like the Jets will, but with a ton of cap room, flexibility, and a close to full slate of draft picks next year, Reggie Mck has clear authority and the owners confidence to move the franchise out of the dark tunnel into the light. And I agree, even for non-Raider fans, the NFL is a much better league when the Raiders are relevant.

 
New rumor:

From PFT:

A top-ten draft trade means that the team trading up has a specific player in mind. For the team trading down, the thinking is that there are players they want that they can get later, along with the other stuff that comes from trading down.

For the Raiders, who reportedly are talking about trading down from the third overall pick in the draft, one of their prime targets at a lower spot on the board would be, we’re told, Houston cornerback D.J. Hayden.

Hayden has made a late rise up the draft boards. And not in the classic media-finally-waking-up sense. Once it was clear that Hayden has no lingering health issues following November’s near-death experience involving a fluke rupture of the inferior vena cava, his stock steadily has grown.

At the Scouting Combine, the sense was that he’d definitely go in the first two rounds. In recent days, he has become a sure-fire first-round pick.

One source said that many teams view both his game film and his medical file as better than Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner.

So at a time when plenty (including our final mock draft) have the Browns taking Milliner at six, the outcome could be a Raiders-Browns trade, with the Raiders snagging Hayden in that spot.

 
Al Davis would never trade down either... Its nice to be excited for a draft where you know your team won't do anything out of left field. If Mr Davis were still with us, I would be so worried he would draft Cordarrelle Patterson #3 overall or whoever had the fastest 40 time...

Adam Caplan@caplannfl1m
#Raiders are the hot spot at #3 for teams wanting a LT. That will be common theme leading up to the beginning of the draft.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/25/raiders-talking-to-several-teams-about-trading-down/

Raiders talking to several teams about trading downPosted by Michael David Smith on April 25, 2013, 12:32 PM EDT
APThe first trade of today’s first round may revolve around Oakland, where there’s increasing talk that the Raiders will trade down from the third overall pick.

Oakland is getting a lot of calls from teams that want to move up to No. 3, according to Albert Breer and Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. The Raiders have previously said they’re getting calls about the third pick but that they’re not actively shopping it.

The Raiders may only be passively shopping the pick, but they might find themselves with an offer that’s too good to pass up. Teams including the Lions (who own the No. 5 pick), Browns (No. 6), Cardinals (No. 7) and Dolphins (No. 12) have been mentioned as having interest in moving up.

So who would be the target of a trade up? The names that have been mentioned most often are whichever of the three top offensive tackles (Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel and Lane Johnson) are still on the board, plus Florida defensive tackleSharrif Floyd and BYU defensive end Ziggy Ansah.

In the final hours before the draft, teams keep things extremely close to the vest, and everything we hear needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But the Raiders trading down is one of the scenarios we’re hearing most.

About freaking time we had a little good luck, having a lever spot in the draft. We've earned some good luck.
 
At a time when many believe the Browns would like to jump the draft-pick line in front of the Eagles to get a pass rusher, some think that the Browns could be targeting a passthrower.

There’s a building buzz that the Browns could be plotting to move from No. 6 to No. 3 to get quarterback Geno Smith before the Eagles take him at No. 4.

The move, if it happens, would be a shock. Smith currently is regarded as a guy who could slide to the bottom of round one, if not out of the first round completely.

The Eagles have shown strong interest in Smith. The entourage that traveled last month to Morgantown for a private workout with Smith included owner Jeffrey Lurie. While most think the Eagles wouldn’t be inclined to use a rare (for Philly) top-five pick on a quarterback at a time when Mike Vick and Nick Foles are under contract, the one thing that everyone is expecting with new coach Chip Kelly is something unexpected.

For the Browns, a move to No. 3 would mark the second straight year in which the Browns climbed into the three spot. Last year, the Browns traded from No. 4 to No. 3 to get running back Trent Richardson. This year, a move to get Geno Smith would be far bolder.

But it would at least go a long way toward getting folks in Cleveland to quit talking about Jimmy Haslam and Pilot Flying J.

 
Al Davis would never trade down either... Its nice to be excited for a draft where you know your team won't do anything out of left field. If Mr Davis were still with us, I would be so worried he would draft Cordarrelle Patterson #3 overall or whoever had the fastest 40 time...
LOL, beat me to it. I came in here to write that Al left his 2013 draft plan, and it included taking Marquise Goodwin at 1.03. :)
 
Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora1m

How's this for a shocker: Several execs picking early in round 1 believe OAK will take corner DJ Hayden 3rd overall if they keep the pick

That would be interesting.

 
@JasonLaCanfora

But at this point, I've heard enough to where Hayden at 3 wouldn't be out of the question at all. This is going to be a wild draft

@tealtalk: I think LaCanfora may just be trolling us for giving him crap about tipping picks.

 
Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora1m

How's this for a shocker: Several execs picking early in round 1 believe OAK will take corner DJ Hayden 3rd overall if they keep the pick

That would be interesting.
Interesting? Kind of like it's interesting that I have some dead guys Achilles tendon holding my left knee together?God I hope not!!!

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Chachi said:
Todd McShay just said the Raiders have a ton of problems and laughed.The Chachinator applauds TM.
dude ...stop trolling and being a ########....its un-cool
That's the only reason he's here. His "Keith Lewis" alias posts even dumber stuff. It's quite an accomplishment when you think about it.
 

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