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Where we talking about here? 2nd round, after a trade down? Maybe.

In a draft when we have maybe our choice of D-linemen, I don't want to come out of the draft with this kid as our top guy. There are so many stud D-linemen in the top of this draft, if we walk away with the 6'8" overaged Estonian kick blocker, I may just have to give it up.

 
Where we talking about here? 2nd round, after a trade down? Maybe.

In a draft when we have maybe our choice of D-linemen, I don't want to come out of the draft with this kid as our top guy. There are so many stud D-linemen in the top of this draft, if we walk away with the 6'8" overaged Estonian kick blocker, I may just have to give it up.
Yes.

ETA: Further elaboration... God no, I wasn't talking about taking him at 1.03. But he's falling to spots deep in the 2nd round in mocks where it starts to become an excellent gamble.

 
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Christo Bilukidi in the 6th round is an excellent gamble. But a project 'man-beast' special teamer in the 2nd round is a luxury that only perennial playoff teams can afford. Way too many needs to be taking a flier on your 2nd round pick. Beast Campbell looked like a "Raider" too, first guy off the bus stud. And what did he ever do for us on the field?

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/16/d-j-hayden-visits-raiders/

One of the most compelling players in this year’s draft played college football at Houston. During the 2012 season, he nearly died.

Fully healed less than five months after a routine hit nearly claimed his life, cornerbackD.J. Hayden is visiting the Raiders on Tuesday, per a source with knowledge of the situation.

Hayden severed his inferior vena cava during practice in November. It’s an injury that typically happens in high-speed automobile accidents, and 95 percent of the time it is fatal.

It was a regular day at practice,” Hayden said at the Scouting Combine, describing the injury. “We were doing team vs. scout team. They threw the ball my way. The ball was underthrown. Me and the safety ran into each other. His knee hit me in my chest. I fell to the ground. It felt like I got the wind knocked out of me. When I was breathing, I just wasn’t breathing right. The doctor took me inside. He was asking me these questions and I was getting real cold.

“I’m looking around and I’m getting real sleepy. My left eye goes pitch black. I can’t see out of it. I can see a little bit out of my right eye. I’m praying, ‘Lord, help me get out if this one.’

“They rushed me to the hospital and did a scan on my stomach and my chest. They saw a lot of blood in my abdomen. They thought it was my liver or my spleen.
“The doctor said he was going to have to cut me open. I said, ‘OK, just don’t mess my abs up.’ So they cut through my sternum and saw the [inferior vena cava], the main vein to your heart, was torn. He put some sutures in, stitched it back together, closed me back up and here I am today.”

And if you weren’t previously a D.J. Hayden fan, it’s safe to say that you are one now.
I'll take a kid who almost died anytime. Hopefully he has a bit more perspective than most kids.

 
The possibility of a trade down seems to be there, which is all we can ask for. Hopefully Geno Smith or one of the OT's draws enough interest for us to be able to slide down once or twice.

Either way, I really think we need to come away from this draft with a playmaker. We need guys that have the potential to make game changing plays. The playmakers in this draft are defensive players.

I think Dion Jordan may become really important to us. As either a player we take, or a guy that teams move up to take, if he is there.

We need DTs and edge rushers desperately, and I think the edge rushers are tougher to find, so let's get one of those.

 
Any Darren McFadden Projections?Ill say 1200 Rushing, 350 yds Recieving 13 Rushing TD's and 3 Catching TD's

 
From Raider's schedule analysis on ESPN AFC West blog:

The Raiders do a ton of traveling from Weeks 10-14. In that time span, the Raiders have one home game squeezed between four road games. The Raiders visit the New York Giants on Nov. 10 and go back to visit the Jets on Dec. 8. In that month span they travel more than 16,000 miles. Last season, 21 teams traveled fewer miles than that the entire season. But that’s kind of the way it goes for a team on the West Coast.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/57332/oakland-raiders-schedule-analysis-3

 
From Raider's schedule analysis on ESPN AFC West blog:

The Raiders do a ton of traveling from Weeks 10-14. In that time span, the Raiders have one home game squeezed between four road games. The Raiders visit the New York Giants on Nov. 10 and go back to visit the Jets on Dec. 8. In that month span they travel more than 16,000 miles. Last season, 21 teams traveled fewer miles than that the entire season. But that’s kind of the way it goes for a team on the West Coast.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/57332/oakland-raiders-schedule-analysis-3
Nice to see a solid, objective observation. It's the NFC EAST. When West plays East, good chance they gonna be flying..................

Attending both New York games, and probably the Denver game (In Denver), if anyone is around.

 
Its looking like we are done signing players until after the draft.

Odds of FAs resigning. I'm making up the odds I think we can/will resign our FAs95% Adams, Ross, Parsons - These guys are restricted or exclusive rights FAs and I cant see not wanting them to compete for roster spots.80% Burnett, Francies, Hurd, Stewart - More restricted/exclusive guys that are likely to brought back at least for camp competition.
Looks like Hurd is done with football and pursuing a different career.
75% Wheeler - Our top priority UFA. Shouldnt get any ridiculous offers elsewhere and the fans have voiced their support for him. I think he'll want to come back.60% Carter, Gaither - Carter is another priority. Might command more money this time around since he's healthier and could receive some heavy interest elsewhere. I see him fitting in our budget. He signed here last year when he could have signed elsewhere. Gaither is cheap and can play both the Will and Mike LB positions. He started for McClain at the end of the season but he's really a backup who will have to compete for a roster spot.
We tried really hard to bring back Wheeler but he got a slightly better deal than expected and didnt want to return as much as I thought. We upgraded our LB depth over Gaither by signing Maiava. Carter at least was resigned.
50% Myers, Barnes, Hanson, Goodson - These guys depend largely on their market value. Myers we'd like back but could easily get priced out of our budget by other teams. Barnes fits in our budget but we might elect to sign someone else instead. Hanson and Goodson may or may not recieve a lot of interest from other teams but we'd like them back if they agree.
2 resigned and 2 found better a better opportunity.
40% Spencer, Giordano, Calhoun - These guys will be cheap and should want to return but do we want them back or do we sign someone better? Spencer likely wants to stay in the Bay area and would help with our competition at CB. Giordano has started a lot of games for us the past couple of seasons but he's getting old and should be on the bench. Calhoun is an exclusive rights FA who would only be training camp competition if he can even make it that far.
I think they are all still FAs. Any of them could be resigned after the draft. However we have appeared to have upgraded from Spencer even before the draft.
33% Lechler, Bryant - Guys we want back but maybe cant afford. Lechler will likely want to come back. After we make some salary cap moves and replace some other guys its still going to be diffacult fitting him into the budget. Bryant is likely going to receive a lot of interest from other teams. That gives him the upper hand to take the money and play for someone else. We'd have to make Bryant a very attractive offer and I doubt he's worth it.
Money was just too much of an issue.
25% Carlisle, Shaughnessy - Guys I think we attempt to replace. If we dont bring Carlisle back he may decide to retire. He would be good for our competition at the guard spots if we dont add obvious starters. He's not as attractive of a starter in a power blocking system and he's old so I expect an effort to replace him. I also think we try to replace Shaughnessy with a more dangerous edge rusher. In fact I think he was already replaced by Carter at the end of the season. He's still capable of starting somewhere and should get a decent offer from another team. 20% Mitchell, Hagan - I think these guys will want to go somewhere else where they'll have more opportunity for playing time. I believe Mitchell will get a chance to start somewhere else. Otherwise he would be great to have again as a backup. Hagan is at the bottum of what is currently a deep group of WRs.
Shaughnessy and Mitchell are out of the picture but Carlisle and Hagan are still available. With the move back to PBS, I dont think Carlisle will be back. We still lack experience at WR so Hagan could yet return.
10% Seymour, Leinart - We need a DT and Seymour wont get as much interest from the market as when he was younger. Still I'm sure he'll find a team willing to give him a nice paycheck and maybe contend for a ring. Leinart was brought in because of his experience in Knapp's system. He doesnt fit the deep ball system we are exepected to install.
Its a little bit of surprise that Seymour hasnt signed anywhere yet. If he doesnt retire, he'll have to settle for a small incentive based contract. I dont see much incentive for him to play for peanuts unless he gets a shot at winning another Superbowl somewhere. He wont get that shot here. So overall with the exception of failing to resign Wheeler we did about what I expected. I really didnt expect to swap Palmer for Flynn this year but it was something I actually had mentioned wanting to do the past 2 seasons. The other big surprise to me was cutting Huff which is something I have mentioned wanting to see for the past 3 years. The sheer amount of turnover on defense is also shocking to me but I cant really argue against any individual move. Now its time to draft
 
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33% Lechler, Bryant - Guys we want back but maybe cant afford. Lechler will likely want to come back. After we make some salary cap moves and replace some other guys its still going to be diffacult fitting him into the budget. Bryant is likely going to receive a lot of interest from other teams. That gives him the upper hand to take the money and play for someone else. We'd have to make Bryant a very attractive offer and I doubt he's worth it.
Money was just too much of an issue.

Money was definitely the issue with Bryant, but Lechler said they never even contacted him. Not upset they let him walk though.

 
Terrific article from SI about the rebuilding of this franchise...

Reggie McKenzie knew he faced a significant challenge when he was announced as general manager of the Raiders on Jan. 6, 2012. Over the previous nine years the team had gone through six head coaches, and it had lost at least 11 games in an NFL-record seven straight seasons. Oakland's last winning campaign, in '02, was a millennium ago by NFL calendars.

Still, the depths of the struggle might not have truly hit McKenzie until several months after his hiring, when he changed into his workout gear and headed to the back of the team's Alameda training facility, where his long jog around the practice fields was spoiled by wildly uneven footing and goose droppings.

If the choppy grass fields were hazardous to a 49-year-old such as himself, he thought, imagine the dangers for players. In the previous two seasons alone, running backs Darren McFadden and Marcel Reece, wideouts Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore, defensive tackles Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly and linebacker Rolando McClain had been hobbled by or missed significant time because of lower-body injuries.

When McKenzie asked who was responsible for the upkeep of the fields, which were riddled with dirt patches, the answer stunned him. The Raiders did not employ a full-time, on-site groundskeeper. Instead, the work was outsourced to a local company-astounding considering that the difference between the playoffs and a pink slip could easily come down to a turned ankle, a jammed toe, a tweaked knee or a pulled hamstring.

The field conditions were just the first of many reminders that restoring greatness to a franchise whose mottos had included "Pride and Poise" and "A Commitment to Excellence" would be about much more than just hiring a new coach and ridding the roster of its bloated contracts and underachieving players. It would be about transforming an entire culture and overhauling an organizational model that had become stale and outdated after nearly five decades under Al Davis, the iconic and imperious owner who died of heart failure at age 82 in October 2011.

No franchise in American sports has been more closely associated with its owner than the Raiders were with Davis. It was as if his face had been behind the eye patch, his head beneath the leather helmet on the swashbuckling team logo. He didn't own the team as much as he was the team. Every major coaching hire, every brilliant or head-scratching draft selection, every trade that lifted the Raiders to the league's mountaintop or dropped them into the division's basement was made by him. Davis even dictated the style of play on the field, demanding a vertical passing attack and bump-and-run coverage and often phoning the sideline from his suite during games with instructions.

For four decades his touch was golden: From 1963, when Davis took over the Raiders as coach and G.M., until 2002, when they made their last Super Bowl appearance, their regular-season winning percentage was .625, best of any team in pro football. The Raiders went to a Super Bowl in every decade but the 1990s, winning three titles in their five appearances. Davis proved himself time and again to be a personnel genius, mining college football's backwaters for future Hall of Famers and picking up future Super Bowl champions off the scrap heap.

But as his health deteriorated, so did the fortunes of the franchise. With every losing season Davis became more desperate for another title, and he knowingly mortgaged the future in a quest for immediate gratification. Among the most painful moves: In 2005 he traded a first-round draft pick (No. 7) and starting linebacker Napoleon Harris to the Vikings for Randy Moss, whose production was dropping in tandem with his attitude; and in '09 he sent the No. 17 pick to New England for Seymour, who was a month from his 30th birthday and entering the final year of his contract.

Getting better on the field in the short term has been tricky, given the hurdles set up by McKenzie, who has to think long term.
In free agency he gave insanely inflated deals with large guarantees to receiver Javon Walker, cornerback DeAngelo Hall, safety Gibril Wilson and tight end Kevin Boss-only to see Hall released after eight games, Wilson and Boss after one season and Walker after 11 games. He also turned the market upside down by awarding megadeals to his own free agents, notably Seymour and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.

Several years before his death Davis was on the phone negotiating a deal for a free agent. The sides were close to an agreement, but Davis suddenly began coughing badly, and his caretaker ended the call so Davis could take his prescription meds. When the sides resumed discussions later that day, Davis asked where they had left off. Taking advantage of the opportunity, the agent reminded Davis that they had agreed on the guaranteed money-but quoted a figure $1 million higher than what they had come to. Davis okayed the move and an agreement in principle was reached that night.

Is it any wonder that the team was a league-high $31 million over the salary cap when McKenzie took over?

Davis's handling of the draft-when he did keep his picks-was equally wayward. Of the 10 first-round selections he made from 2001 through '10, including six among the first eight selections, only McFadden remains on the Raiders' roster, and he has yet to play a full season. Guard Robert Gallery (No. 2, 2004), quarterback JaMarcus Russell (No. 1, '07) and cornerback Fabian Washington (No. 23, '05) have been out of the league since the end of '11. Russell lasted just three years and is viewed by many as the greatest draft bust in NFL history.

McKenzie knows he must be spot-on in this year's draft. Oakland has the No. 3 pick and the fourth pick of the third round, but its second-round selection belongs to Cincinnati as part of a 2011 swap for Carson Palmer. He'd love to trade down for more choices, because the Raiders are far more than one player from being relevant again. But if he's unable to find a trade partner, then he has to find impact players with his high picks. Imagine the best draft ever. If McKenzie replicates that, his team is mediocre at best.

And so, much of the G.M.'s energy the last 15 months has been spent on upgrading Oakland's scouting and personnel departments. When he went to view the club's draft room last year, he discovered that none existed, so he had one built from scratch. When he requested the team's scouting questionnaires for evaluating college prospects, he learned there weren't any, so he created them.

Such resources are givens in most NFL organizations-but not with the Raiders and Davis, who had his own way of doing business. He was the only owner who didn't use one of the national scouting services for college prospects, and the only one who didn't subscribe to the psychological-testing program available to each team before the draft.

Davis was so behind the times that even toward the end he didn't allow employees to use direct deposit, and he kept the budget for coaching and support staffs in his head rather than on paper. In his video department, the software was tragically outdated.

There were, of course, members of the organization who knew the Raiders' approach needed updating, but all decisions ultimately ran through Davis, who was set in his ways. In 1999 he hired Mike Lombardi to be his senior personnel executive and told Lombardi to modernize the operation-but then Davis consistently blocked his hire from making changes, explaining that he just couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger. Lombardi was fired in 2007.

As opposed to the traditional pyramid model of organization, the Raiders had people in various positions at various levels each reporting to Davis. Multiple current and former employees say that the goal under Davis was to recommend not what was best for the franchise, but what would keep the owner happy. McKenzie, a Raiders linebacker from 1985 through '88, knew this. And he knew that changing this culture would be among his most important jobs.

"My mind-set coming in was, I'm gonna have to be highly organized and firm in my beliefs," says McKenzie. "Because when you've got a building that's used to a certain way for so long-I knew change wouldn't be easy. I had to have a plan and a way to implement my plan."

To imagine that plan's eventual fulfillment-to picture the resurrection of the Raiders-it helps to see the muck that the organization has waded through. Going back to Davis's death in 2011, the Raiders have undergone a three-part healing process: the hiring of McKenzie, the first man other than Al Davis to run the Raiders' football operations in nearly 50 years; the firing of Davis's last major hire, promising head coach Hue Jackson; and the commitment of new owner Mark Davis, Al's only son, now 57, to break with his father's ways and seek a long-term fix rather than a short-term solution.

As his father's health began to decline in the late '00s, Mark Davis correctly assumed he would take on a leadership role with the franchise in the near future. (With his mother, Carol, he inherited a controlling 47% share of the team.) However, unlike Al, who spent nearly all of his adult life immersed in the game-first as a freelance scout for the Colts, then as a coaching assistant with The Citadel, USC and the Chargers-the younger Davis lived on the fringes of football.

He'd grown up around his dad's team but was never involved in day-to-day operations. He spent time on the business side but was largely known as a guy who liked to hang out with the players. In the late 1970s he even had a falling out with his father after he chose to represent wideout Cliff Branch in a contract negotiation with the club. "My dad knew everything about the game; he was an expert," Mark says. "I would say that I know a lot about all of it-but I'm not an expert in any of it."

Years before his father's death Mark had told John Madden, who'd coached the Raiders to eight playoff appearances and a Super Bowl win in 10 seasons, and Ron Wolf, a retired personnel man who'd spent 24 years with the organization, that he would lean on them if he ever took over. True to his word, one of Mark's first phone calls when his father died was to Wolf, whom he wanted to run the team, if only temporarily.

Wolf declined, saying he wasn't up to speed on league personnel, so Davis asked for the names of a few candidates he might interview. McKenzie stood out, not just because he knew the team's history and traditions, but also because Wolf, who had worked with McKenzie in Green Bay, believed he had a "phenomenal" eye for talent.

"There are two sides to this organization," says Davis. "A football side and the business side. I knew that first I had to take care of the football side and put it in the right hands to get the right structure in place."

That December the Raiders played in Green Bay, where McKenzie was director of football operations. On the field before the game he and Davis crossed paths, but they couldn't discuss the job because of the league's anti-tampering rules. "It was one of the oddest and most uncomfortable meetings ever," Davis recalls. "I wanted to say, Reggie, I need you! Be a Raider! But I knew there were cameras, and [Packers G.M.] Ted Thompson was [watching]. So I didn't say anything because I didn't want to screw it up. It was like being next to someone who you want to ask on a date, but you can't."

At season's end, with the Packers' permission, the two finally got together, along with Madden, in a Pleasanton, Calif., hotel room, where they discussed organizational structure and personnel philosophy. After lunch Madden left, and Davis and McKenzie talked alone. At one point Davis stepped out of the room. When he returned, he asked, "How about being our general manager?"

"Sounds good to me," said McKenzie, the lone candidate for the job.

And with that, someone other than Al Davis was running the Raiders' football operations for the first time since the 1960s. Save, that is, for the two months following Davis's death. In that short period in the fall of 2011 the need for a strong G.M. had been further illuminated by the rushed trade for Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer after starter Jason Campbell broke his collarbone.

At the time the Raiders were 4-2 and thinking playoffs. The decision had to be made: roll the dice with backup Kyle Boller or rookie Terrelle Pryor, sign someone off the street or trade for a QB.

Davis had died on Oct. 8; Campbell went down eight days later against Cleveland. With a leadership void at the top, Hue Jackson pushed to trade for Palmer, whom he had worked with in Cincinnati. Palmer was sitting out, trying to force a trade from the Bengals, and Jackson believed he could win with him.

The Bengals wanted two first-round picks for Palmer, who was two months from his 32nd birthday and who had zero playoff wins since Cincinnati made him the first pick in the 2003 draft. Jackson was willing to deal, but it wasn't his call. It belonged to Mark Davis, who on the night of his father's funeral returned home and used his TiVo to find the Raiders' 2009 game against the Bengals. Palmer had been efficient in the first half: 8 of 10 for 129 yards, but he had only 78 passing yards in the second half, and Oakland rallied for a 20-17 win. Pressed by the approaching trade deadline, Davis consulted Wolf, Madden and Ken Herock, the team's personnel director for seven years in the 1970s, all of whom were in town for the funeral.

"Two out of three said, Go ahead and do a deal," says Davis, who sent a first-round pick in 2012 and a high conditional pick in '13 to the Bengals for Palmer. "I felt we had a pretty good team and could make the playoffs. It turned out not to be the greatest bet, but I'd do it again. Everybody is blaming Hue, but I made the decision. I don't pass any of that on to him."

The deal proved costly, not only against the salary cap (Oakland inherited Palmer's salary of $12.5 million in 2012, $13 million in '13 and $15 million in '14), but also in the draft, where in '12 the Raiders would be without a first-round pick for the second straight year. (In fact, before receiving two compensatory picks, they didn't have a draft choice until the fifth round in '12.) That, combined with the league-high $31 million the Raiders were over the cap made for an ugly situation facing whomever took over.

Yet McKenzie was eager to accept the challenge, with certain conditions. First, he would have final say on all football matters, including the future of coach Jackson, who in 2011 had shaken the Oakland offense from its slumber, but who had alienated some fans and players with an abrasive press conference following a Week 17 loss that cost his team the playoffs. Second, McKenzie would report to Mark Davis, not chief executive Amy Trask, who'd been a righthand person to Al Davis for more than two decades. And third, he would build for the long term instead of compromising the future with quick fixes.

Davis agreed to each condition, after which McKenzie set in motion his plan.

The 2011 season was simultaneously promising and disappointing. After a 7-4 start, Oakland's most successful opening in almost a decade, the Raiders lost four of five to finish .500. The pervasive expectation was that Jackson would get a second season at the helm. He'd taken the offense from the league's second-worst unit in '09, the year before he arrived as coordinator, to a unit that finished 10th and then ninth, respectively, in total yards-despite little change in personnel.

Two days after McKenzie was hired, Jackson walked into the G.M.'s office to break the ice and, after some chitchat, McKenzie informed him that he was being let go.

"Let me go?" Jackson recalls thinking. "I thought he meant let me go, [as in] out of the room."

McKenzie explained that he wanted to bring in his own guy. "That would have happened even if they went to the playoffs," the G.M. says now.

If Jackson's firing caught people off guard, the hiring of 39-year-old Dennis Allen floored outsiders. Allen had never been a head coach at any level; in fact, he had only been a coordinator (on defense, with the Broncos) for one season.

During the hiring process McKenzie focused on two of the seven people he had interviewed: Allen and Winston Moss, an assistant head coach with the Packers who most people thought was his guy. McKenzie says he would've felt comfortable with either, but something kept drawing him to Allen. "We just clicked on every level," he says.

The call to Moss, another former Raiders linebacker and a friend from their six years working together in Green Bay, was difficult. McKenzie knew, too, that he would disappoint members of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, whose objective is to increase diversity among NFL coaches, executives and scouts. (Moss, like McKenzie, is African-American.)

If nothing else, the decision confirmed that the G.M. is an independent thinker, willing to do what he believes is best for the franchise. Many did not like what they saw of the Raiders in their first season under Allen-the defense was sievelike, allowing 42.3 ppg in November, and the offense was virtually nonexistent, ranking 26th in scoring-but McKenzie saw progress, particularly when it came to instilling discipline (after being cited for a league-high 163 penalties in 2011, Oakland ranked 8th, with 108) and holding players accountable.

"The old man was more of a player-owner," says Kelly, the defensive tackle. "He gave you a little more leeway because all he cared about was production on Sunday. [Dennis Allen] is more of a disciplinarian. He wants you seven days out of the week to do the right thing."

Take Rolando McClain, the underachieving middle linebacker who was drafted with the No. 8 pick in 2010. After being demoted from the starting lineup for his on-field performance in November, he got into an argument with Allen during a practice. The former Alabama All-America was sent home, suspended for two games for conduct detrimental to the team and kept off the field the rest of the year.

"I want guys here who love football, who are willing to work and put the team first," says Allen. "The more people we can get that exemplify those characteristics, the better we're going to be as a football team."

The agent reminded Davis that they had agreed on the guaranteed money-but quoted a figure $1 million higher than what they had come to. Davis okayed the move.
But getting better on the field in the short term has been tricky, given the hurdles set up by McKenzie, who has to think long term. For the G.M., getting his salary cap in order meant releasing higher-priced players like veteran defensive end Kamerion Wimbley, who was second on the team in sacks in 2011 but whose impending contract restructuring would have compromised future salary caps.

In 2012 Oakland released or allowed to leave through free agency its top five cornerbacks from the previous season. In their place McKenzie rolled the dice that he could get a year out of veteran free-agent signees Shawntae Spencer and Ronald Bartell, despite their recent problems with injuries. True to form, the pair appeared in a total of eight games because of foot and shoulder injuries, respectively.

Adding to matters, that season was a physical wreck for the Raiders. In Week 1 long snapper Jon Condo went down with a concussion, and the team botched three punts in a 22-14 loss to the Chargers. Against Cleveland they lost three defensive backs to concussions, and rookie QB Brandon Weeden threw for a season-high 364 yards in a 20-17 Browns win. Seymour, who had actually restructured his contract to create cap space, missed the final eight games because of a torn hamstring.

On offense, McFadden and several wideouts were in and out of the lineup, and coordinator Greg Knapp's unit struggled to adapt to a zone-blocking scheme. Knapp, who never seemed to find a rhythm with play calls, was fired after the season.

Allen received a pass, but it's questionable whether he'll get another one if the team fails to improve in 2013. What we do know is that McKenzie is safe, regardless of what happens.

Mark Davis is seated in a corner booth of Frank & Albert's restaurant at the upscale Arizona Biltmore hotel in Phoenix, where NFL owners are holding their spring meeting. He wears blue jeans and a white long-sleeve T-shirt emblazoned with an image of the Vince Lombardi trophy behind the words SUPER BOWL. Asked to describe the 2012 season, during which that trophy seemed as out of reach as it ever has for a Raiders team, he pauses. "Not sure. I'm trying to look forward."

After a 38-17 loss to the Saints in November, he'd been less cagey. "I'm embarrassed. Pissed. Disappointed," he told reporters. "And I take full responsibility for it. I'm patient, but I want to see progress. Not regression."

That defeat, Oakland's third in a row, triggered reports that the team had spoken with former coach Jon Gruden about returning (a club-issued statement refuted this), and not long after there was speculation that Mike Holmgren, the former Packers and Seahawks coach who'd left his job as president of the Browns on Nov. 25, was being courted for a leadership role.

But as Davis studied the menu in Phoenix, he laughed loudly at the suggestion he's lost faith in his G.M. "Where Dennis and Reggie might have hit brick walls during last season, there was no one for them to talk to," he says. "The one thing I know is what I don't know-that's why I hire people to handle those things." It's an admission Mark's father never would have made. Nor would the senior Davis have shown this much patience after a 4-12 season.

Davis's meeting with Holmgren? McKenzie's idea. Because Davis isn't in the building every day, McKenzie inquired about bringing in an experienced staffer to bounce ideas off. The discussion didn't get far, but if it had, Holmgren never would have been more than a consultant.

"Reggie's my guy," reiterates Davis. "He did inherit a mess, and he's still cleaning. I can be patient with him. I'm giving him the whole shot," meaning the five-year length of his contract.

"Now, I'm not saying everybody else gets that same shot, because not everybody else is my guy. But Reggie is the one hire that I made-him and Carson."

That's a message that even the players get. As Kelly walked out of the Qualcomm Stadium locker room following Oakland's 2012 finale, a 24-21 loss to San Diego, he professed a clear vision for where he saw the Raiders headed. "We [used to] have one dude running the show. Things would get changed at the last minute because he would get involved. That doesn't happen anymore. Now you've got a chain of command. The old man used to sit in on defensive meetings after practice. That doesn't happen no more. It's a tighter ship.... You can see where [McKenzie and Allen] said, 'We're going to bite the bullet our first year and ride out this tough season, get some more salary-cap room and go from there.' There ain't going to be no veterans around here. A lot of people are going to be sacrificed in the process, but they're going to get it right."

If they do, it will be without Kelly, who, true to his own vision, was released by the Raiders last month following nine years with the team. As of last weekend 38 of the 53 players on the pre-McKenzie roster had been released, traded or allowed to leave as free agents.

Meanwhile, McKenzie and Allen stay, which may be a tough pill to swallow for Raiders fans given the turnarounds in recent years by the likes of the Colts, who went from 2-14 to the playoffs. But McKenzie's plan always called for him to tear the whole thing down and rebuild for the long haul. That has meant upgrading the practice fields and the video and scouting departments, creating budgets and scouting templates, cutting up the credit card and getting the salary cap in order, researching what scouts and personnel on other teams were being paid so he could compensate his people fairly.

Ideally, McKenzie would hit the road for five to 10 scouting trips during a season. Last year he went out twice because there was too much work to do back home.

But he's expecting 2013 to be less hectic, in part because he's done so much housecleaning this off-season. He released Seymour, Kelly and McClain, as well as safety Michael Huff and receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey. He traded Palmer to Arizona, then sent two middle-round picks to Seattle for Matt Flynn and got the QB to restructure his deal to make it more front-loaded, with incentives for performance. He also chose not to make serious runs at retaining free-agent defensive tackle Desmond Bryant or linebacker Philip Wheeler, who signed five-year deals worth $34 million and $26 million, respectively, elsewhere.

Of the 53 players under contract with the Raiders today, 11 have been signed in the last four months; and although at least $45 million in dead money is being carried on this year's cap, the Raiders are expected to be at least $50 million under the ceiling in 2014.

Funny how it works out. That's the year McKenzie has targeted for Oakland to be a real division contender.
 
Good read there. Some concerning things in there to me were how much he leaned on John Madden, who I would not consider to be up on today's NFL, and that he did not even look at anyone else besides Reggie.

 
heading to dallas for the the thanksgiving game!!!

gonna bring the family, and do the holiday in big D. should be a fun experience!!

cornhole anyone? my wife is one mean cook!!

 
So I am driving cross country, and listening non-stop to every available podcast, and have 14 hours of draft talk under my belt. What it has made me think (and please take all these opinions with a grain of salt):

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Like the rest of you, I am dreaming about a trade down--or two. And the more I hear about the way this draft shakes out, the more I want at LEAST one trade down. The strength of this draft, according to just about everyone, isn't necessarily the top of the draft, but the 2-3-4 rounds. And the depth there is really at positions we could use some help at. Hey, that's every position, I know, but when Cosell, and Kiper, and McShay talk about mid-rounders they like, they discuss DT, CB, S, and WR.

Taking a kind of consensus of the draft, If we are looking to trade down, I think there are several things that Raider fans should be rooting for, before the draft, and during, that would be the best case scenario for us:

1. It would be best for us if the Fins didn't get Branden Albert from KC.

2. It would be best for us if the Revis trade doesn't happen.

3. KC take Joeckel or Fisher.

4. Jags take Dion Jordan.

5. More than one team in the top 12 values Fisher a lot more than Lane Johnson.

Before addressing these 4 points, a few things a sane person can think about this draft that ties these together. None of these are facts, I LOATHE 'common knowledge' before the draft.

1. The Eagles are believed to be thinking about Jordan, Milliner, and to a lesser extent, one of the OTs.

2. Jax is a wild card, can go in a lot of different directions.

3. The Lions would shock everyone if they weren't salivating over Millin,er or one of the OTs.

4. The Browns are considered to be looking at Milliner as well, and also seem like a willing trade down partner, as the top players aside from Milliner, seem to be positions they are not really craving (4-3 DTs, and 3-4 OLB). With Sheard and Kruger, they MAY feel set at that spot. This team also has to be considered a wild card.

5. The Cardinals, I am betting will let the draft just come to them. They don't have a ton of ammo to move around, and with three good OTs, Dion Jordan, Jarvis Jones, maybe even Ansah, and Mingo, there are a lot of players in the top 10 that the Cardinals can use.

6. The Bills are interesting, no one is predicting a trade up, and everyone is trying to shoehorn a QB here. Maybe. Tough to guess. But a D-lineman seems unlikely, which is good for us, anyway. Maybe. :wink:

7. Jets would love to trade down I am sure, but could also use a Mingo or Jones. Have an extra first, but I cannot imagine a trade UP. They need several good players.

8. The Titans are another team that could go in many different ways, and have to be considered a team that would love Milliner.

9. Chargers: Have to be considered the last stop for an OT. No extra picks in the top four rounds, but Geez, i really wonder if they can risk getting shut out of all three OT studs.

10. Dolphins: I am REALLY interested in these guys. OT and CB. Can use both. Tough to imagine a scenario where Milliner or any of the OTs are there. They have two 2's, and two 3's. They have been very aggressive all offseason, and have the ammo to go almost anywhere they want.

So, addressing the above scenarios that I think are best for us:

1. I'd hate for the Fins to fill a desperate need, AND lose a pick in the process. Hoepfully, Albert hangs tight with his contract demands, and the Fins enter the draft with a full allotment of picks, and a gaping hole at LT and CB. Basically, I think Milliner and Fisher could be the guys people trade up for. It is easy to imagine a scenario where the Fins trade up to our spot, to get Fisher. This ties in with the idea that teams value Fisher a LOT more than johnson.

2. The Revis trade not happening puts one more team in the top 15 that needs a CB, which is only good for us. Plus, with 50 mill in cap room next year, I am not unhappy with us entering FA next year, and Revis available. Just a thought.

3. Hopefully, KC immediately makes OTs scarce, although a Dion Jordan wouldn't be bad. A left tackle is worth trading up for, we need them scarce.

4. This is my #1 wish. I think the consensus is that the Eagles crave Jordan, if he is gone, I think a lot of teams looking for Milliner or Fisher will figure they have to leapfrog them.

5. I think a lot of people think that teams that need a LT are content to just sit there, and take whoever is left. It doesn't work that way. Teams like players more than others, if a few teams like Fisher a LOT more than Johnson, it may be worth it for them to jump over a few teams.

A trade down is really sexy for us, because there are at least two top DT prospects, and we are surrounded by teams that don't need them like we do--lot of 3-4 teams. We could conceviably trade down to the Fins pick, and STILL get a Star whatshisname.

Thoughts?

 
Well done Mass. I agree with your take on the Fins. They have the ammo to move up.

Fisher isn't a bad consolation prize.

 
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Two separate NFL scouts say Florida DT Sharrif Floyd is overrated, with one going so far as to call Floyd a media creation.It's worth noting Floyd had only 4.5 sacks in three college seasons. He's been touted hard by Greg Cosell, Mike Mayock, and Daniel Jeremiah, among others. "Those idiots on TV made Floyd," said one scout. "He's not that good. He's not better than Ziggy Hood." Asked if the Warren Sapp comparisons are valid, another scout replied "No. There's none of that. (Sapp) was just was more gifted than Floyd. Floyd is a good effort player. He's got shorter arms than (Sheldon) Richardson, and I think it shows. He gets kind of Velcroed on blockers."
 
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Two separate NFL scouts say Florida DT Sharrif Floyd is overrated, with one going so far as to call Floyd a media creation.It's worth noting Floyd had only 4.5 sacks in three college seasons. He's been touted hard by Greg Cosell, Mike Mayock, and Daniel Jeremiah, among others. "Those idiots on TV made Floyd," said one scout. "He's not that good. He's not better than Ziggy Hood." Asked if the Warren Sapp comparisons are valid, another scout replied "No. There's none of that. (Sapp) was just was more gifted than Floyd. Floyd is a good effort player. He's got shorter arms than (Sheldon) Richardson, and I think it shows. He gets kind of Velcroed on blockers."
 That's what I've said and I've stuck to. Lotulelei is the only DT worthy of a top 5 pick. Star probably wont be there if we trade down but that doesnt mean we shouldnt trade down. This draft is deep at DT and there will be good ones available in round 2 and possibly round 3 or later. They wont be as good as Star but we can trade down and still get a good prospect in round 1 plus another one in round 2. We could possibly even draft two DTs such as Floyd or Richardson after trading down and Hankins or Jenkins in round 2. Of course what I've said and would really like is to trade down and still get the best player in the draft... Chance Warmack.
 
massraider said:
1. I'd hate for the Fins to fill a desperate need, AND lose a pick in the process. Hoepfully, Albert hangs tight with his contract demands, and the Fins enter the draft with a full allotment of picks, and a gaping hole at LT and CB. Basically, I think Milliner and Fisher could be the guys people trade up for. It is easy to imagine a scenario where the Fins trade up to our spot, to get Fisher. This ties in with the idea that teams value Fisher a LOT more than johnson.

2. The Revis trade not happening puts one more team in the top 15 that needs a CB, which is only good for us. Plus, with 50 mill in cap room next year, I am not unhappy with us entering FA next year, and Revis available. Just a thought.

3. Hopefully, KC immediately makes OTs scarce, although a Dion Jordan wouldn't be bad. A left tackle is worth trading up for, we need them scarce.

4. This is my #1 wish. I think the consensus is that the Eagles crave Jordan, if he is gone, I think a lot of teams looking for Milliner or Fisher will figure they have to leapfrog them.

5. I think a lot of people think that teams that need a LT are content to just sit there, and take whoever is left. It doesn't work that way. Teams like players more than others, if a few teams like Fisher a LOT more than Johnson, it may be worth it for them to jump over a few teams.

A trade down is really sexy for us, because there are at least two top DT prospects, and we are surrounded by teams that don't need them like we do--lot of 3-4 teams. We could conceviably trade down to the Fins pick, and STILL get a Star whatshisname.

Thoughts?
First, I would love to get Star Lotulelei on a modest trade down. Not sure he will last to the #12 pick though. I think you can almost pencil in the top two picks are going to be Joeckel and then Dion Jordan to the Jags. We will be on the clock with Fisher in play for the highest bidder. Any trade that we make with Miami needs to include both of their second rounders. I realize the market is soft for a trade down, but the alternative is take the only consensus stud OL left at #3, or Star. A lot of mock drafts have us taking Floyd, but I don't see it. We already have a guy like that in Lamarr Houston.

Miami is said to only be interested in a trade up for Joeckel or Fisher. They are not going to give up the farm for Lane Johnson. If a deal can't be done on the clock, I say draft Fisher and worse comes to worse, we have a pair of stud bookends on the line, and Sparano to coach Fisher up. Also give us leverage in negotiating with Veldheer going into his contract year. And it's not like RT was a strength anyway, Barnes/Bergs/Smith is a revolving door of 'meh'.

RT is not our top need, but not a luxury either. We can always trade Fisher later if Miami doesn't get their man and ecides to give up their 2nd rounders. They are clearly in win now mode and like the Bucs were with Revis, Reggie just needs to be patient and let the deals come to him.

A big positive sign in our favor is Brandon Albert is looking to get paid big time money, and Miami is unlikely to deal for him because of that.

 
RT is not our top need, but not a luxury either. We can always trade Fisher later if Miami doesn't get their man and ecides to give up their 2nd rounders. They are clearly in win now mode and like the Bucs were with Revis, Reggie just needs to be patient and let the deals come to him.

A big positive sign in our favor is Brandon Albert is looking to get paid big time money, and Miami is unlikely to deal for him because of that.
If they can not swing a deal by the time the pick is due then you have to take the player you really want. There is virtually no chance of trading the player later in the draft. I would not be opposed to a trade down, but if the pick is kept I would take Floyd and if not him another defensive player.

 
I would actually really like Jordan as well. I mean, there isn't anything approaching a RE on our team. Andre Carter, I guess?

 
Citing a source familiar with the situation, NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Raiders will select the "surest of the sure" player available at the No. 3 overall pick.

Of course, Aaron Curry and Rolando McClain were considered "safe" picks before recent drafts, and both became busts. The sure-thing draft prospect is incredibly rare; there are maybe one or two per year. The two this year appear to be left tackles Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher, although the growing belief is they'll be the first and second overall picks. If that happens, Pauline's sources expect Oakland to select Florida DT Sharrif Floyd or Utah DT Star Lotulelei.

 
Citing a source familiar with the situation, NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Raiders will select the "surest of the sure" player available at the No. 3 overall pick.Of course, Aaron Curry and Rolando McClain were considered "safe" picks before recent drafts, and both became busts. The sure-thing draft prospect is incredibly rare; there are maybe one or two per year. The two this year appear to be left tackles Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher, although the growing belief is they'll be the first and second overall picks. If that happens, Pauline's sources expect Oakland to select Florida DT Sharrif Floyd or Utah DT Star Lotulelei.
I really think that may just be Pauline using his noggin.

I have been reading a lot of Pauline's name lately, he certainly has a lot of rumors he passes along. I don't know much about him, am going to follow his site. Seems pretty good.

 
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Citing a source familiar with the situation, NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Raiders will select the "surest of the sure" player available at the No. 3 overall pick.Of course, Aaron Curry and Rolando McClain were considered "safe" picks before recent drafts, and both became busts. The sure-thing draft prospect is incredibly rare; there are maybe one or two per year. The two this year appear to be left tackles Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher, although the growing belief is they'll be the first and second overall picks. If that happens, Pauline's sources expect Oakland to select Florida DT Sharrif Floyd or Utah DT Star Lotulelei.
(Translation).....we are willing to consider trading up

 
At this point the best case scenario for the Raiders is that AZ makes a last second deal to acquire Albert, leaving the Dolphins at the altar. This would motivate the Dolphins to move up to insure they land a quality tackle.

Fingers XXX'd

 
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At this point the best case scenario for the Raiders is that AZ makes a last second deal to acquire Albert, leaving the Dolphins at the altar. This would motivate the Dolphins to move up to insure they land a quality tackle.

Fingers XXX'd
Or Miami trades for Albert and that puts pressure on AZ to move up for Fisher. Or they could sit and wait and hope that Lane Johnson falls to them. But more and more you hear rumors that there will be 3 OT's taken in the first 6 picks. They may just have to deal with us or be left out of luck, picking a guard as a consolation prize.

 
Assuming no trade-down, I'm still hoping for Fisher.
Not that I wouldn't want Fisher either, but where do you put him? RT? Isn't a little rich to invest a #3 overall pick on an RT?
I'd move JV to RT. With those bookends and Wiz at center, that has the makings of a STUPID O-line.
Was thinking about that today.

Veldheer enters last year of his deal, I believe. I think everyone thinks he's a left tackle, not a right tackle playing left tackle. Using my handy crystal ball, that sounds like a Branden Albert situation, Raiders-style. Veldheer walks, after one year as an RFA, maybe, or franchised, or immediately. Maybe Fisher turns into Joe Thomas, and that's awesome. But I could see a scenario where we are essentially trading Veldheer and the #3 pick for Fisher. The Chiefs are trading Albert and the #1 pick for Joeckel (and perhaps a 2nd rounder). Are the Chiefs that much better with Joeckel than with Albert? Maybe.

It's not ideal. If I have Veldheer wrong, and people think he doesn't have the stuff for LT, then this sounds pretty good. Maybe even great (but I am so set on defense, it's tough for me to use that word). Because yeah, I think Vedheer could be a stud RT. I also think he can be a stud LT, and those guys get paid a lot more than RT, so he's not taking that one for the team, long term. Cripes, this guy was at Hillsdale College 2 years ago.

 
Agreed... The OL is just OK, but the defense is so full of holes its ridiculous... There's so many ways the Raiders can go here. I hope they trade down.

  • Tony Pauline ‏@TonyPauline5h
    Word from few people today is Oakland Raiders may have a trade in place to move down a few slots if either Joeckel/Fisher lands in their lap


Naturally. Because why would you want to take one of the sure-thing tackles.
I can't kill a trade down, this team needs lots of quality players. Gallery was a sure thing tackle too. I want defense anyway.
 
Draft just a couple days away.

My Raiders specefied round 1 draft board.

Tier 1

1 OG Warmack

2 DT Lotulelei

3 OT Joekel

4 OT Fisher

Tier 2

5 QB Barkley

6 OLB/DE Jones

7 CB Milliner

Tier 3

8 OLB/DE Mingo

9 DT/DE Richardson

10 QB Smith

11 DE/OLB Jordan

12 DT Floyd

13 OT Johnson

Tier 4

14 DE Werner

15 DT S Williams

16 CB Rhodes

17 WR Woods

18 DE Ansah

19 CB Trufant

20 OG Cooper

Tier 5

21 QB Wilson

22 CB Hayden

23 S Vaccaro

24 WR Hunter

25 DT Hankins

Tier 6

26 DT J Williams

27 DE Carradine

28 WR Austin

29 OG/OT Fluker

30 QB Manuel

31 LB Te'o

32 OG Warford

Go Raiders!

 
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Whoa...

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora is "hearing" the Chiefs will likely select Central Michigan LT Eric Fisher with the No. 1 pick if they can't deal disgruntled LT Branden Albert before the draft.The reasoning is vague, but the Chiefs apparently believe Fisher would be better suited to the "power game" at right tackle than Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel if they kept Albert on the blindside. It seems odd that the Chiefs' choice of Fisher or Joeckel would come down to Albert — Why would the presence Albert be the determining factor in who they liked better if both players play the same position? — but it's the time of year for odd reasoning. There's still plenty of time for Albert to be traded for Thursday evening.
It seemed to be a foregone conclusion for a few weeks that Joeckel was heading to KC.Of course, La Canfora is wrong... a lot.

 

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