Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I justed traded for Little in one of my dynasty leagues. I traded Steve Smith (CAR) for Greg Little straight up.
16 team ppr can start between 2-4 WRs (2 flex).
16 team ppr can start between 2-4 WRs (2 flex).
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (6 Viewers)
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FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
I give Matt Schaub. I get Bryce Brown.
I have Russell Wilson and Kaepernick making Schaub expendable.
I have Russell Wilson and Kaepernick making Schaub expendable.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It is bad but not Green badthriftyrocker said:
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Steal for BrownFunkyTeaParty said:
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I have no faith in Little. Give me Smith and if I can't compete I will sell him off in season for moreRhythmdoctor said:
cstu
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
"Throw in a 2nd next year and I MIGHT do it, if you're lucky. Let me sleep on it. You know what, I'm gonna need Bernard Pierce too. I'm basically doing you a favor here."
WOW... MJD and Torrey wouldnt have been enough for me to give Julio alone never mind also giving Pierce and a 2nd
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I have average faith in Little. If he doesn't hit the 900+ yard mark this year, I'll probably give up on him for the most part. At his current value, I think he has more upside than downside. I made the trade because personally, Smith has a MAX of 2 years fantasy relevance and the reality is that this might be his final year of relevance. Once he goes, he has zero value in dynasty. With Little, he's young enough that he'll warrant some value, even a few years from now. I was glad to trade Smith for such a young player with ceiling of tier 1 WR. Little may completely bust but his potential is elite WR. At best Smith has 1 elite season in him. The most likely outcome for Smith is probably 2 seasons of WR 2-3 production then he falls off completely. At worst, Smith fizzles out immediately, either via injury or age catching up with him. Let's not forget that Smitty plays reckless and entering his mid 30s has had a few injury riddled seasons.
So to sum up. I think Little's upside/risk ratio is high enough to feel good about the trade.
Evil G
Footballguy
Yes, I know. But yet these are the kind of deals that shake down in every league. I was not involved.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Zimm
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I salute you on thinking outside of the box and taking a stand on a mediocre player few people view very highly. Actually 2 if you add T.Y. Hilton at #11. Personally I view those guys as pretty expendable as they don't have top 15 upside in my eyes, even in PPR. You have Antonio Brown at #35 who is basically the same guy but more proven and a better short term outlook. Several guys in tier 7 who are just as young and I like considerably more. But to each their own. His ADP is 91 overall and WR 39. Personally a 2014 1st would be plenty let alone adding Moore whose basically an equivalent player.
Same league as the one last night,
12 team 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE 1 Flex (RB/WR) 1 DEF 1 K
All TDs 6 points, including passing. PPR is 0.5 for all positions. QBs get 0.125 per completion and are very high scorers in this league.
Gave: Ronnie Hillman
Received: Danario Alexander
My WRs (Calvin, Jennings, Amendola, Mike Williams TB, Lance Moore)
My RBs (McCoy/Brown, Miller/Gillislee/Thomas, Gio, Hunter)
12 team 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE 1 Flex (RB/WR) 1 DEF 1 K
All TDs 6 points, including passing. PPR is 0.5 for all positions. QBs get 0.125 per completion and are very high scorers in this league.
Gave: Ronnie Hillman
Received: Danario Alexander
My WRs (Calvin, Jennings, Amendola, Mike Williams TB, Lance Moore)
My RBs (McCoy/Brown, Miller/Gillislee/Thomas, Gio, Hunter)
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR (1.5 PPR for TE) Start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 RB/WR/TE, also Max 5 year contracts
Team A trades:
Ryan Broyles (3yrs left)
Justin Hunter (5yrs left)
Chris Ivory (5yrs left)
Team B trades:
Justin Blackmon (4yrs left)
Team A trades:
Ryan Broyles (3yrs left)
Justin Hunter (5yrs left)
Chris Ivory (5yrs left)
Team B trades:
Justin Blackmon (4yrs left)
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Cheap for Blackmon, even in a start 2/1.5 (TE) format. At the very least, wait for week 5 and deal him then.
traderallenpoe
Footballguy
I'll take the other side and say that that was quite a haul for JB. Personally I think either Broyles or Hunter (or both) could eclipse Blackmon in production within the next season or two, and Ivory is just icing on the cake. I think Ivory for Blackmon could be a fair trade strait up, especially with how thin RBs are these days.
Draft position and measurables aside, Cecil Shorts is the #1 on that team much like Victor Cruz is the #1 in NY even though Nicks was the "sexier" player/prospect.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
#1 WR is an oftem misused argument, in my opinion. Cruz and Nicks help each other produce; they play a different positions. I think Blackmon and Shorts III can opperate the same way, and did for a stretch, during which they were both top 15 (or so) WRs, with Chad Henne at QB. Shorts is not a reason for me to temper my expectations of Blackmon.
I like Ivory fine - but what has he done to establish a value equal to Blackmon's? He's unproven and in a less than great situation. Starting for the Jets isn't enough to turn a roster bubble guy into an RB2. He's got to prove something first.
Hunter is a guy I like too, but he's not going to do much this year and will be worth even less a year from now. He's a target of mine, but not a consideration in a Blackmon deal.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I agree Ivory is overvalued but given his ADP it's good value. 5th for a 6th, 9th, 11th.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Was thinking of offering this the other way in one league. The fact you only have to start 1 RB might swing it in DX's favor a little more.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
In that context, it's solid. I'm a bit surprised Ivory is going in the 6th regularly.
I also think ADP is especially harsh on players who won't suit up week 1. If Blackmon was playing week one, and still carried the same risk, he'd be going a round earlier.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Zimm
Footballguy
Telling someone that thier dynasty rankings are wrong is about the silliest thing you can do, (Everyone thinks they are Ms.Cleo), You do know Wright was a 2012 1st round pick right? Wright and Hilton looked very good as rookies, and well these are dynasty rankings. I see your point with Hilton being ranked high, and Brown ranked low, but when you have a Quarterback like Andrew Luck your team tends to throw a ton, The production on both of those players as a rookie don't lie. A lot of people are on the Michael Floyd hype train...Why not Kendall Wright??
I do think outside the box a good bit, and my rankings show that across the board, and not to mention my dynasty teams reflect those rankings where you will see Hilton and Wright (Also others on my All-Zimm-Hype-Team haha (Hope im right), but of course wrong at times. Mr. Eddie Royal was a big goof of mine, but even after struggling during his second season his trade value was still very high and i was able to dump him, and get something back, because well young WR's always have value in dynasty. My team is completely loaded and deep, It would be a small merical if i wasn't pick 10,11.12 and waivers haven't even begun yet.
1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1Flex,1Def
Luck
Peterson,Richardson,MJD,Gio
Green,Calvin,Blackmon,Hilton,Wright,V.Brown,Streater
Gronk,Rudy
Bears
2 high early 1st round picks
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I'll take Williams, but it's close. Williams could vault up the rankings ladder this year.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
14 Team Dynasty -- I was not involved
RWilson, GJennings, 2014 1st Round (will be low)
for
AJ Green
Team getting Green has Rodgers, Lynch, Wallace, ABrown with Green in starting lineup
Other team had Vick starting QB and now starts Wilson Jennings Blackmon Britt and Gronk...(We have different lineups we can use)
RWilson, GJennings, 2014 1st Round (will be low)
for
AJ Green
Team getting Green has Rodgers, Lynch, Wallace, ABrown with Green in starting lineup
Other team had Vick starting QB and now starts Wilson Jennings Blackmon Britt and Gronk...(We have different lineups we can use)
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Fair trade for both. Slight lean towards Green.
Team getting Green has a seamless fit for him, getting rid of a back up QB and getting a WR1.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Without having all the specs - the guy getting Green is the clear winner here. Even in a 14 team league, Wilson is a 4th round start-up pick. Green is top 4 overall. That is a monster gap - more than double the value of Wilson - and Jennings/1st isn't close to enough.
The QB field is way too flooded to make this deal.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
High performance ppr dynasty (assume all contracts are equal):
Megatron, Reggie Bush, Derrius Heyward Bey, Heath Miller
for
Chris Johnson, Gronk, V Cruz, Stevie Johnson
Megatron, Reggie Bush, Derrius Heyward Bey, Heath Miller
for
Chris Johnson, Gronk, V Cruz, Stevie Johnson
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm likely in the minority, but I'd take the Gronk+ side. I'd take Gronk+Cruz over Calvin without much thought, and the rest of the deal is a wash, at worst.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I prefer the Gronk side easily in that one personally.
Gronk is almost = to Calvin (age difference offsets Gronk's injuries IMO), assuming TE req.
CJ > Bush
Cruz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DHB
Johnson >>>>>> Miller
Gronk is almost = to Calvin (age difference offsets Gronk's injuries IMO), assuming TE req.
CJ > Bush
Cruz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DHB
Johnson >>>>>> Miller
Spike
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion said:
Based on the Gronk trades in this thread lately, I thought I was alone in thinking this. Hell, I was starting to think I was alone in thinking Gronk >= Graham.
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Dez
Footballguy
The injury history is hard to ignore.Coeur de Lion said:
Based on the Gronk trades in this thread lately, I thought I was alone in thinking this. Hell, I was starting to think I was alone in thinking Gronk >= Graham.
gianmarco
Footballguy
You're missing a few more >>> between Johnson and Miller. The guy is 31, still recovering from an ACL, and is coming off a career high in TDs and rec. yards. He's likely missing some of this year and his future fantasy relevance is questionable at best. I'm not a big Johnson fan, but these aren't even in the same ballpark.Coeur de Lion said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
My understanding is that the forearm is a non-issue now. The back is somewhat concerning, but minor enough in nature for me to keep him on the same tier.
If Gronk didn't have any injury concerns, he'd be my #1 overall player in most PPR formats. Right now, I'd take a few guys over him, so I do account for the injury history.
Don't blame anyone for putting more stock in the back, however.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Who's ignoring it? If not for the injuries, Gronk vs. Graham isn't even a discussion. As far as Gronk vs. Calvin? Depending on where you set your baselines, the value they provide is damn close, and Gronk is 3 1/2 years younger than Calvin.The injury history is hard to ignore.Coeur de Lion said:
Based on the Gronk trades in this thread lately, I thought I was alone in thinking this. Hell, I was starting to think I was alone in thinking Gronk >= Graham.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Not involved in trade:
12 team Dynasty PPR TE Yardage Bonus
Team A gets:
Roddy White, Greg Olsen, 2014 1st rounder
Team B: needed a RB
Chris Ivory, Bilall Powell, Antonio Brown, Jordan Cameron, 2014 2nd rounder, 2014 3rd rounder $40 Blind Bidding dollars
12 team Dynasty PPR TE Yardage Bonus
Team A gets:
Roddy White, Greg Olsen, 2014 1st rounder
Team B: needed a RB
Chris Ivory, Bilall Powell, Antonio Brown, Jordan Cameron, 2014 2nd rounder, 2014 3rd rounder $40 Blind Bidding dollars
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
Non PPR
[SIZE=medium]Los Angeles[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] gave up:
Bennett, Martellus CHI TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.02
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Oklahoma[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Charleston[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] gave up:
Ivory, Chris NYJ RB
Green, Ladarius SDC TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.09
Year 2014 Round 6 Draft Pick from Charleston
Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Charleston[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Los Angeles[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] gave up:
Bennett, Martellus CHI TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.02
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Oklahoma[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Charleston[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] gave up:
Ivory, Chris NYJ RB
Green, Ladarius SDC TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.09
Year 2014 Round 6 Draft Pick from Charleston
Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Charleston[/SIZE]
Apologies firstly for the comment, and thanks for responding graciously. I do indeed know Wright was a first round pick, to me Wright looked okay as a rookie, Hilton looked good. Wright had a low YPC, and didn't show much after the catch. He looked like a solid possession receiver and the stats bear that out. I'm not saying he won't improve but I think you're valuing his youth too much and projecting a ceiling I don't think he could ever reach. He does have a decent floor though!Zimm said:
I just think having him as your no.12 WR is a reach, FBG have him as their no.40 in dynasty and although I value youth more than they do in consensus I can't see any way I could move Wright past no.30 on the WR list even taking youth into account.
Fair play to you for thinking outside the box but for me it's way too high on Kendall. I think his ceiling is 80/1000/6 and to me that's not the ceiling of a no.12 WR. I could be wrong and I like him, but as a 9th or 10th rounder, he always seems to go about half a round before I would take him! He's not on any of my teams but I wouldn't mind having him on one of my squads!
Casting Couch
Footballguy
r0llin_game
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Start-up deal. I'm kinda nervous about this one.
14 team PPR (1.5 for TE). Very flexible starting lineups.
I gave:
Startup picks 1.06, 7.06, 8.09
rookie picks 2014 2nd, 2014 3rd, 2014 4th
I got:
Start-up picks 2.07, 3.08, 6.07
rookie pick 2014 1st
2013 Devy pick #14 (one round devy draft takes place after start-up)
2014 Devy pick (one round Devy draft will follow 4 round rookie draft in subsequent years)
On the one hand I am nervous missing out on the top 20 players in the start-up.
On the other I think this is a lot of potential value and I kinda like the idea of owning the future 1st and future Devy pick of a guy who picks twice in the 1st and then not again until the mid-4th, 5th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 8th. That's gonna be a top-heavy roster. One injury and that's the #1 overall pick, possibly.
Idk how to feel about it, it's my first league with Devy's and my first start-up in a while.
14 team PPR (1.5 for TE). Very flexible starting lineups.
I gave:
Startup picks 1.06, 7.06, 8.09
rookie picks 2014 2nd, 2014 3rd, 2014 4th
I got:
Start-up picks 2.07, 3.08, 6.07
rookie pick 2014 1st
2013 Devy pick #14 (one round devy draft takes place after start-up)
2014 Devy pick (one round Devy draft will follow 4 round rookie draft in subsequent years)
On the one hand I am nervous missing out on the top 20 players in the start-up.
On the other I think this is a lot of potential value and I kinda like the idea of owning the future 1st and future Devy pick of a guy who picks twice in the 1st and then not again until the mid-4th, 5th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 8th. That's gonna be a top-heavy roster. One injury and that's the #1 overall pick, possibly.
Idk how to feel about it, it's my first league with Devy's and my first start-up in a while.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
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