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I don't think the refs have it in for non-Backy Road teams, but that sequence had me all ####ed up when I was watching it live - I attributed it to mucho cervezas on my part and bad-season-malaise at the time. Now I see that ESPN is reporting that the refs screwed it up.
I didn't want to make the natives any more restless than they already are from the last 2-3 pages....I was trying to be nice/PC.
Was also talking more about the "control" that tobacco road has in the conference that no one seems to want to acknowledge.
I am not a conspiracy guy at all but I also recognize that the ACC has pumped up basketball as their go to sport in the last 30 years and most certainly has pushed UNC and Duke to the forefront of that come hell or highwater. There is a UNC guy at the top and I most certainly think certain things trickle down in favor of the blues throughout the years.
Trolling my ###. They got the call right. This isn't the NBA. And he did push off. Watch the replay.Lol. Are we really going to bring the general level of FFA trolling into this thread?Just watched the replay. Got the call right. No way was he in the act of shooting. Looked much closer at the time. If anything was missed it was the push off to make the catch. Great play by Cooney to fight through the foul and give one there.
not even close.Grady Wilson said:
This
They came back despite coming out of the gate like crap and McAdoo being a complete no show. They might not beat Duke on Thursday, but they have really put it together the past 7 games. I was really down on them earlier in the year, but gotta give props to RW and the rest of team. This isn't the typical Carolina team, but they are playing with heart and determination.
He played great. Paige did a great job of getting the ball to him, but he definitely stepped up in McAdoo's absence.
They were actually slight underdogs according to the initial Vegas line, although bettors pushed them to slight favorites by the opening tip. KenPom projection had them losing by 3. But yeah, any way you slice it, monster win without McAdoo for all intents and purposes. Biggest one of the season IMO.
From an outsiders point of view, Roy looks beaten. Has he aged 10 years in the last two?
I'm not sure....there's more and more of relying on all these random ranking systems like KenPom, RPI and all that crap these days. I'm not sure many watch the games anymore
That seems like it's at play here. It's one of the first things that pops up as soon as these discussions begin. I didn't think it unreasonable at the beginning of the year for them to finish in the top 4 of the ACC this year and I stand by it. Yeah, they're winning a different way and it's atypical but they're winning...isn't that what's important?I think maybe you don't get it because you're wrong about how much talent they have.
Funny, my reaction when I read your first post was that you must not be watching the games. They looked positively awful until late January. They got incredibly lucky in those three big OOC wins, catching all three teams at their worst. They blew a ton of games to mediocre competition, and could have blown several more- they needed overtime to beat Davidson and I think Holy Cross had a second half lead on them.I'm not sure....there's more and more of relying on all these random ranking systems like KenPom, RPI and all that crap these days. I'm not sure many watch the games anymore
I do have to laugh when you keep saying there's a lack of talent on this team. You'd be zinging us if Duke had put up a similar season with the #14 and 58 recruits from last years class, the number 28, 40, 57, 58 from the 2012, and an upperclassman that was projected as a lottery pick at the start of the season. Outside of Duke, Kansas, 'Cuse. Kentucky. Zona, Fla, and MI State that's an accumulation of talent that rivals anyone else in the nation.
No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
They had a lot of drama going on early in the year. That's enough to distract anyone. MSU game they played was phenomenal. There was nothing lucky about that. They won by 14 or 15 points didn't they? IMO, it's one of the best wins in all of college basketball all year. How you dismiss a win like that is beyond me. As for all the KenPom stuff, I stated my opinions on the approach....take it FWIW.The Hairston think complicates matters there. I assume whoever votes on those things assumed he would be playing at some point.
Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
I was asking about all the negativity around them....there's a TON down here. The other part I asked about (and I guess you sorta answered) was around the "they really aren't that good" and the "they don't have a lot of talent" etc. I think Roy's figured out a way to right the ship and minimize their weaknesses (shooting primarily). With that said, they have the talent to score (put up points)....they just did against FSU. I think their inexplicable problems at the line exacerbate that issue also. They aren't scoring 100 a game or anything, but it's not like it's so bad it's preventing them from winning.Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
Not sure what your point is, to be honest. I just tried to explain why I am so happy watching this team (and from what I can gather, why other UNC fans are happy too). You asked, I answered.
We can disagree on KenPom all you want, but you shouldn't need advanced stats to tell you that they have very little talent from a shooting standpoint. They brick everything. I mean, McDonald and Tokoto jumpers never even come close to looking like they might go in. McAdoo has been very good for a couple weeks, but he still shoots an awful percentage from the floor and the line to the point where teams go hack-a-Mac any time he gets free. Other than the occasional open look for Paige from three, their best offensive play is putbacks of missed jumpers.
The worst call I have ever seen was the traveling call on Corchiani in the 1989 regional semifinals. It should have been an and-1 to tie the game on Mourning's 5th foul. It essentially decided the game. Billy Packer was incredulous as they showed replay after replay that showed there was absolutely no way to think he had traveled. That was painful.
I thought you were asking why expectations were so low that 4th place in the ACC and 18-7 at this juncture is considered a big success. That's what I was explaining.I was asking about all the negativity around them....there's a TON down here. The other part I asked about (and I guess you sorta answered) was around the "they really aren't that good" and the "they don't have a lot of talent" etc. I think Roy's figured out a way to right the ship and minimize their weaknesses (shooting primarily). With that said, they have the talent to score (put up points)....they just did against FSU. I think their inexplicable problems at the line exacerbate that issue also. They aren't scoring 100 a game or anything, but it's not like it's so bad it's preventing them from winning.Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
Not sure what your point is, to be honest. I just tried to explain why I am so happy watching this team (and from what I can gather, why other UNC fans are happy too). You asked, I answered.
We can disagree on KenPom all you want, but you shouldn't need advanced stats to tell you that they have very little talent from a shooting standpoint. They brick everything. I mean, McDonald and Tokoto jumpers never even come close to looking like they might go in. McAdoo has been very good for a couple weeks, but he still shoots an awful percentage from the floor and the line to the point where teams go hack-a-Mac any time he gets free. Other than the occasional open look for Paige from three, their best offensive play is putbacks of missed jumpers.
Don't let Tobias fool you. They have talent, it's just not shooting talent. They play good defense, rebound well, and play to their strengths on offense. Yeah the offensive rebound is their best offense, but you know what they do that well. It took Roy awhile to get them to play like this all the time, but it is effective and the guys playing do have talent in doing those things.I was asking about all the negativity around them....there's a TON down here. The other part I asked about (and I guess you sorta answered) was around the "they really aren't that good" and the "they don't have a lot of talent" etc. I think Roy's figured out a way to right the ship and minimize their weaknesses (shooting primarily). With that said, they have the talent to score (put up points)....they just did against FSU. I think their inexplicable problems at the line exacerbate that issue also. They aren't scoring 100 a game or anything, but it's not like it's so bad it's preventing them from winning.Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
Not sure what your point is, to be honest. I just tried to explain why I am so happy watching this team (and from what I can gather, why other UNC fans are happy too). You asked, I answered.
We can disagree on KenPom all you want, but you shouldn't need advanced stats to tell you that they have very little talent from a shooting standpoint. They brick everything. I mean, McDonald and Tokoto jumpers never even come close to looking like they might go in. McAdoo has been very good for a couple weeks, but he still shoots an awful percentage from the floor and the line to the point where teams go hack-a-Mac any time he gets free. Other than the occasional open look for Paige from three, their best offensive play is putbacks of missed jumpers.
This was my EXACT thought. Honestly, there are several teams in the B1G that take the approach that UNC is taking this year.Don't let Tobias fool you. They have talent, it's just not shooting talent. They play good defense, rebound well, and play to their strengths on offense. Yeah the offensive rebound is their best offense, but you know what they do that well. It took Roy awhile to get them to play like this all the time, but it is effective and the guys playing do have talent in doing those things.I was asking about all the negativity around them....there's a TON down here. The other part I asked about (and I guess you sorta answered) was around the "they really aren't that good" and the "they don't have a lot of talent" etc. I think Roy's figured out a way to right the ship and minimize their weaknesses (shooting primarily). With that said, they have the talent to score (put up points)....they just did against FSU. I think their inexplicable problems at the line exacerbate that issue also. They aren't scoring 100 a game or anything, but it's not like it's so bad it's preventing them from winning.Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
Not sure what your point is, to be honest. I just tried to explain why I am so happy watching this team (and from what I can gather, why other UNC fans are happy too). You asked, I answered.
We can disagree on KenPom all you want, but you shouldn't need advanced stats to tell you that they have very little talent from a shooting standpoint. They brick everything. I mean, McDonald and Tokoto jumpers never even come close to looking like they might go in. McAdoo has been very good for a couple weeks, but he still shoots an awful percentage from the floor and the line to the point where teams go hack-a-Mac any time he gets free. Other than the occasional open look for Paige from three, their best offensive play is putbacks of missed jumpers.
FWIW, they actually remind me a lot of Izzo's teams.
This year's Michigan State team is 36th in the nation in eFG% at 53.3% and 47th in three point % at 37.9%. And it's not an anomaly- if you click through their last 5 or so seasons they're almost always in the top 100 in both categories, often in the Top 50, with the sole exception of 2011 when they went 19-15.This was my EXACT thought. Honestly, there are several teams in the B1G that take the approach that UNC is taking this year.Don't let Tobias fool you. They have talent, it's just not shooting talent. They play good defense, rebound well, and play to their strengths on offense. Yeah the offensive rebound is their best offense, but you know what they do that well. It took Roy awhile to get them to play like this all the time, but it is effective and the guys playing do have talent in doing those things.I was asking about all the negativity around them....there's a TON down here. The other part I asked about (and I guess you sorta answered) was around the "they really aren't that good" and the "they don't have a lot of talent" etc. I think Roy's figured out a way to right the ship and minimize their weaknesses (shooting primarily). With that said, they have the talent to score (put up points)....they just did against FSU. I think their inexplicable problems at the line exacerbate that issue also. They aren't scoring 100 a game or anything, but it's not like it's so bad it's preventing them from winning.Yeah you're right they played well vs. Michigan State.No idea what the bold means. On it's face, I agree it's stupid. No one said that
Not sure what your point is, to be honest. I just tried to explain why I am so happy watching this team (and from what I can gather, why other UNC fans are happy too). You asked, I answered.
We can disagree on KenPom all you want, but you shouldn't need advanced stats to tell you that they have very little talent from a shooting standpoint. They brick everything. I mean, McDonald and Tokoto jumpers never even come close to looking like they might go in. McAdoo has been very good for a couple weeks, but he still shoots an awful percentage from the floor and the line to the point where teams go hack-a-Mac any time he gets free. Other than the occasional open look for Paige from three, their best offensive play is putbacks of missed jumpers.
FWIW, they actually remind me a lot of Izzo's teams.
