oso diablo
Footballguy
ACC off to a tough start, despite this Duke victory. Bad losses by FSU, Virginia, and Miami.
Mark Gottfried only knows one way to recruit: identify the best players and go after them. Hard.
If that means recruiting in the same circles as North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky and Kansas, so be it.
"I’m not going to back down from anybody just because somebody else is recruiting them," Gottfried said in October. "We feel like we have a lot to sell at N.C. State."
There have been other N.C. State coaches, and others around the ACC and country, who have made a similar pitch and challenged the elite teams on the recruiting trail. Few elsewhere, if any at N.C. State since Jim Valvano, have had the success of Gottfried and his tireless staff.
In the classes of 2012, ’13 and ’14, N.C. State has added or has commitments from six top 50 recruits, according to ESPN’s rankings. That’s one more than Duke and three more than UNC over the same span.
In the three classes, Gottfried has mined a total of seven top 75 recruits with an eighth, class of 2013 forward BeeJay Anya, expected to commit Friday.
"N.C. State has quickly earned street cred with the best players in the country," ESPN recruiting analyst Dave Telep said. "They view State as a viable option, which in recruiting, is half the battle."
Gottfried believes in a holistic approach to running a program. Recruiting is part of what he calls "the system," and the results of "the system" attract recruits.
Gottfried’s system is based on the principals of John Wooden’s dynasty at UCLA. Gottfried, who began his coaching career as an assistant at UCLA for eight seasons, uses Wooden’s high-post offense.
The players Gottfried inherited from former coach Sidney Lowe excelled in Gottfried’s system last season, notably forward C.J. Leslie and guard Lorenzo Brown.
Leslie and Brown, the top two scorers on the team last season, got better as the season went along and carried the team into the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2006.
"The way that we finished the year last year, gave everything that we’re doing credibility," Gottfried said.
In turn, Gottfried has used the growth of Leslie and Brown as an example of how recruits can fit into the system and develop their game.
Anthony Barber, the No. 14 prospect in the class of 2013 who is expected to sign Wednesday, fits the same mold as Brown, an athletic point guard. Gottfried and assistant Orlando Early have pitched prized recruit Julius Randle by showing him the freedom Leslie has to use his face-up game in the high post.
While Gottfried is always quick to credit his assistants — Early, Rob Moxley and Bobby Lutz — he has undoubtedly become the face of the program’s renaissance.
The combination of the on-court success, Gottfried’s media experience, and the coach’s confident persona has brought N.C. State more exposure nationally.
The national media never paid much attention to Lowe, who went five seasons without an NCAA bid, and mostly ignored Herb Sendek until he left after the 2005-06 season for Arizona State. Sendek’s exit, after five consecutive NCAA appearances, became a referendum for everything that was supposedly wrong with the Wolfpack program and its fan base.
N.C. State wasn’t supposed to be able to recruit against UNC or Duke, but Gottfried quickly changed that nation.
Gottfried, who worked two seasons at ESPN as analyst before he was hired in April 2011, has never backed down from public-relations opportunity, from his zip-line entrance at "Primetime with the Pack" to letting TV cameras into the locker room for his pregame speeches last March.
Gottfried’s lines from the ACC and NCAA tournaments — "There’s a plane waiting for you to take you to St. Louis," and "They gotta guard us, too, pal!" — have already entered Wolfpack lore.
So as much as "the system" is the selling point to Gottfried, recruits are responding the coach’s personality.
"Coach Gottfried is a guy you can’t help but to feel comfortable with," Randle told USA Today after Gottfried made an in-home visit with the prep star in September. "They’re definitely a program that’s on the come up."
Gottfried added three McDonald’s All-Americans in this first class last year, something only UNC and Duke have done in the ACC.
He has commitments from Barber (No. 14 in the class of 2013) and forward Kyle Washington (No. 69). Anya, a 6-9 power forward from DeMatha High outside of Washington, D.C., is ranked No. 32 in the class.
Twin small forwards Caleb and Cody Martin are No. 32 and No. 33, respectively, in the class of 2014.
But maybe Gottfried’s best recruiting job has been with Randle. Randle is a program-changer, even as a one-and-done NBA prospect. The fourth-rated prospect in the class of 2013 is a small forward in a power forward’s body (6-9, 235 pounds) with the skill set of a point guard.
Every team wanted Randle and 10 got in-home visits in September. Randle and his family gave USA Today access to the recruiting pitches made by Kentucky, Kansas, N.C. State, UNC and Duke.
Randle’s mom, Carolyn Kyles gushed about Roy Williams and his connections to Michael Jordan, according to USA Today, and Kyles, a self-admitted Duke fan, referred to Blue Devils assistant Jeff Capel as "my boy."
Yet, when Randle whittled his list to six teams, only one ACC team made the final cut.
Making Randle’s final list was a small win over UNC and Duke that could lead to a bigger one for Gottfried and the Wolfpack. Either way, Gottfried took his shot, just as he promised.
"We were fortunate to get some good (recruits), we missed on some good ones, too," Gottfried said. "That’s part of the process but if you don’t make a run at guys, you’re not going to get them anyway."
Man...JJ could shoot lights freakin out. Never seen anything like that guy just running circle after circle through screen after screen until he got open and just a sliver of daylight and he'd cut your heart out.
Oof.ACC off to a tough start, despite this Duke victory. Bad losses by FSU, Virginia, and Miami.
I thought Tony Bennett was supposed to be the next great coach. He had them headed in the right direction last year. How are they all of a sudden a mid-tier CAA team at best?Oof.ACC off to a tough start, despite this Duke victory. Bad losses by FSU, Virginia, and Miami.
They're missing something like 4 of their contributors due to injury right now. Miami's missing Scott right now, too.I thought Tony Bennett was supposed to be the next great coach. He had them headed in the right direction last year. How are they all of a sudden a mid-tier CAA team at best?Oof.ACC off to a tough start, despite this Duke victory. Bad losses by FSU, Virginia, and Miami.
can't wait to watch Pitt own this conference.
can't wait to watch Pitt own this conference.A Final Four regular like the Panthers is gonna have no problem at all with teams like UNC and Duke that measure their National Championship droughts in months.
obviously just talking about the regular season guy. 
Well they did just dominate Lehigh last night. And as we all know, Lehigh > Duke. So you may be on to something here.can't wait to watch Pitt own this conference.A Final Four regular like the Panthers is gonna have no problem at all with teams like UNC and Duke that measure their National Championship droughts in months.
obviously just talking about the regular season guy.
![]()
FWIW, through 4 NBA games, Rivers is tearing it up with a 2.1 PER.I was impressed with Duke as a whole. After shedding Rivers, this team seems to be back to team basketball.

Hollinger has set up PER so that the league average, every season, is 15.00, which produces sort of a handy reference guide: A Year For the Ages: 35.0 Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0 Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5 Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0 Bona fide All-Star: 22.5 Borderline All-Star: 20.0 Solid 2nd option: 18.0 3rd Banana: 16.5 Pretty good player: 15.0 In the rotation: 13.0 Scrounging for minutes: 11.0 Definitely renting: 9.0 The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0
Agreed...Curry will shine now the ball comes his way.'The Commish said:I was impressed with Duke as a whole. After shedding Rivers, this team seems to be back to team basketball.
Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.

How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
not trying to bust your chops or anything, but wondered what you thought of the 4 teams that played in Atlanta. I didn't see much of the 1st gameAnd yet neither Duke nor Kentucky will be the best team in the arena that night.Duke... has Kentucky in Atlanta next Tuesday. That game will probably be on TV, too.![]()
![]()
Man.I forever associate maggots with Kevin Durant. Nothing against Kevin Durant, he just happened to be on TV when I...opened that box of raisins. :(How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
Why did I hit that link? Should've read Truck's post first.Man.I forever associate maggots with Kevin Durant. Nothing against Kevin Durant, he just happened to be on TV when I...opened that box of raisins. :(How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
I don't know what i did to deserve that. F'ing maggots are the worst.I'm outta here.Why did I hit that link? Should've read Truck's post first.Man.I forever associate maggots with Kevin Durant. Nothing against Kevin Durant, he just happened to be on TV when I...opened that box of raisins. :(How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
I've caught the ACC Trek II: Wrath Of Simey first-hand over the years (deserved the majority), but this feels like a driveby where I got caught in a hail of bullets not meant for me. The only "maggot" that doesn't freak me out is the one Funkadelic did.I don't know what i did to deserve that. F'ing maggots are the worst.I'm outta here.Why did I hit that link? Should've read Truck's post first.Man.I forever associate maggots with Kevin Durant. Nothing against Kevin Durant, he just happened to be on TV when I...opened that box of raisins. :(How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
BJ Anya is a heck of a talent. Big, strong kid with FREAKISHLY long arms (literally the longest wingspan in the history of the draftexpress.com database) Lots of other schools were looking at him early, but in the end, his only option was NC St (unless he publicly opened it back up) after Indiana backed out to take Vonleh instead.I see NCSU got a commitment from some beast out of DeMatha
You said with the burning face that you now wanted some f'n cream puffs, and so I thought the cupcakes would ruin your appetite making you not want cream puffs anymore. I was trying to be helpful.I don't know what i did to deserve that. F'ing maggots are the worst.I'm outta here.Why did I hit that link? Should've read Truck's post first.Man.I forever associate maggots with Kevin Durant. Nothing against Kevin Durant, he just happened to be on TV when I...opened that box of raisins. :(How about some yummy cupcakes!!Great, now I want some f'in cream puffs.I'm watching the Wolfpack play, and I noticed that Purvis is #0. I don't recall seeing that number often on basketball jerseys, but it could be common and I just never noticed. I know football players haven't worn 0 or 00 since the 70s.
I read an article today that Duke's former player Zoubek is a pastry maker now. He owns his own pastry shop called Dream PUFFZ. Here is the link to the story.![]()
Lonnie Baxter was that for MD - lots of "baby fat" early on, but got his #### together and became a muscular post guy.Anya is huge and scary. If Coach Gott can get/keep him in shape, he is going to be one tough dude to handle.Terps beat LIU-B last night by 17. MD had about 4,000 blocked shots. Len has improved by leaps and bounds this off-season. He still disappears at times and his hands-of-stone will reemerge, but he's a ton more aggressive and is in MUCH better shape. Another guy I'm impressed with is Frosh G Seth Allen. He's a lefty and has a gorgeous stroke with big-time lift on his jumpers.Maryland's running a 10 man rotation right now and I think it's legit (i.e., not just getting end-of-bench guys in during blowouts). They don't have a Len Bias or Juan Dixon - "give ME the ball and I will MAKE us win" - but a ton of flexible parts that gives Turgeon all kinds of options. Last year, they'd be in games for 30-35 minutes but would run out of gas down the stretch. That part, at least, ain't happening this season. You guys know me - I'm fairly clear-eyed about the Terps. But I'm telling y'all that Maryland's going to be a tough out this season and even better next year. With State's resurgence and Cuse/Pitt's entrance next season, the ACC may return to the blood-bath years of the mid-90s.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).Oh, and the best thing that could've happened was Stoglin leaving. No one guy is going to replace his scoring but, if the Terps have a single player go 5-27 from the field, I will fly to your town and bring Dom Perignon with me.BJ Anya is a heck of a talent. Big, strong kid with FREAKISHLY long arms (literally the longest wingspan in the history of the draftexpress.com database) Lots of other schools were looking at him early, but in the end, his only option was NC St (unless he publicly opened it back up) after Indiana backed out to take Vonleh instead. Some concerns about his motor and weight (he got into great shape at one point like a year and half ago but then put some weight back on) but its still an awesome signing. Lots of people on the Duke boards #####ing (rightfully so IMO) about the fact that the staff didn't recruit him very hard.Same goes for Kennedy Meeks, who picked UNC yesterday. 6'9 275 and grew up a Duke fan (he stated this is an interview with Scout.com YESTERDAY) but Duke didn't like his lack of conditioning or tendency to drift out to the perimeter. Considering what Duke's post situation looks like for next year, I think it was a massive mistake. That's the kind of kid that you take and then beat the hell out of him until he loses enough weight to play in your system. Sure some kids never get it (Josh Smith of UCLA) but others drop the pounds and become tremendous contributors (Dexter Pittman at Texas a few years ago, for example)I see NCSU got a commitment from some beast out of DeMatha
Hail of bullets? I was kidding with Truck. You've caught my wrath? When? I've never been unkind to you. I think I'm better off staying out of these ACC threads. Go Pack!I've caught the ACC Trek II: Wrath Of Simey first-hand over the years (deserved the majority), but this feels like a driveby where I got caught in a hail of bullets not meant for me.
:squealswheels:Yep. And State's history with DeMatha kids hasn't been too bad.Definitely excited about Anya. That dude's wingspan is huge. Not sure when the last time State had a guy that could be that much of a defensive presence. Gott continuing to tear it up on the recruiting trail.
Lighten up, Francis.I didn't say you were unkind (instead, I pointed out that I deserved what I got), but I've been on the pointy end of your sword before. I'm scarred for life, but it was my own faultHail of bullets? I was kidding with Truck. You've caught my wrath? When? I've never been unkind to you. I think I'm better off staying out of these ACC threads. Go Pack!I've caught the ACC Trek II: Wrath Of Simey first-hand over the years (deserved the majority), but this feels like a driveby where I got caught in a hail of bullets not meant for me.:squealswheels:
I'm excited about him too, and I'm loving the great recruiting by the staff.Definitely excited about Anya. That dude's wingspan is huge. Not sure when the last time State had a guy that could be that much of a defensive presence. Gott continuing to tear it up on the recruiting trail.
Definitely excited about Anya. That dude's wingspan is huge. Not sure when the last time State had a guy that could be that much of a defensive presence. Gott continuing to tear it up on the recruiting trail.
From SFN:
Beejay Anya, the #3 rated center in the high school class of 2013 announced on Friday night that he will play basketball at NC State... Anya’s commitment gives the Wolfpack a Top 5 point guard, Top 3 center and Top 15 power forward for the 2013 class!!
But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
I enjoy you and your humor. Keep runnin' with the pack.Hail of bullets? I was kidding with Truck. You've caught my wrath? When? I've never been unkind to you. I think I'm better off staying out of these ACC threads. Go Pack!I've caught the ACC Trek II: Wrath Of Simey first-hand over the years (deserved the majority), but this feels like a driveby where I got caught in a hail of bullets not meant for me.:squealswheels:
“For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.” If Under Armour likes the idea of going to the B1G, they might kick in some dough?And let's face it, the B1G's TV contracts are worth way more than the ACC's.But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
Didn't Maryland have to get rid of some of their athletic programs due to $$?But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
From what I'm hearing, that exit fee "isn't carved in stone". I'm not exactly sure what that means because I'm one more step removed from the College Park CIA than I was a couple of years ago. I'm gleaning that there's some kind of limited-time loophole for anyone who wants to bolt before some specific date. I've also heard FSU is talking to the Big Ten, for whatever that's worth, and it may be a double-school move.It all sounds silly to me personally, and I hope it doesn't happen.But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
COuple of theories are that the fee would never hold up in a court of law if MD or whoever wanted to challenge it.From what I'm hearing, that exit fee "isn't carved in stone". I'm not exactly sure what that means because I'm one more step removed from the College Park CIA than I was a couple of years ago. I'm gleaning that there's some kind of limited-time loophole for anyone who wants to bolt before some specific date. I've also heard FSU is talking to the Big Ten, for whatever that's worth, and it may be a double-school move.It all sounds silly to me personally, and I hope it doesn't happen.But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
How does meeks fit in at UNC with Roys system of moving up and down the court quickly?BJ Anya is a heck of a talent. Big, strong kid with FREAKISHLY long arms (literally the longest wingspan in the history of the draftexpress.com database) Lots of other schools were looking at him early, but in the end, his only option was NC St (unless he publicly opened it back up) after Indiana backed out to take Vonleh instead.I see NCSU got a commitment from some beast out of DeMatha
Some concerns about his motor and weight (he got into great shape at one point like a year and half ago but then put some weight back on) but its still an awesome signing. Lots of people on the Duke boards #####ing (rightfully so IMO) about the fact that the staff didn't recruit him very hard.
Same goes for Kennedy Meeks, who picked UNC yesterday. 6'9 275 and grew up a Duke fan (he stated this is an interview with Scout.com YESTERDAY) but Duke didn't like his lack of conditioning or tendency to drift out to the perimeter. Considering what Duke's post situation looks like for next year, I think it was a massive mistake. That's the kind of kid that you take and then beat the hell out of him until he loses enough weight to play in your system. Sure some kids never get it (Josh Smith of UCLA) but others drop the pounds and become tremendous contributors (Dexter Pittman at Texas a few years ago, for example)
The ACC will be getting an increase in its tv contract thanks to Notre Dame's commitment. And Maryland joining the B1G isn't going to lead to a similar increase in B1G tv revenue, but it's another share to pay out. I doubt there will be a significant gap when the dust settles, maybe a couple million. Does that make it worth it to abandon tradition and sue over the $50M exit fee or pay a large exit fee, even if negotiated down? I don't see why that would be a good thing for Maryland.If Under Armour likes the idea of going to the B1G, they might kick in some dough?And let's face it, the B1G's TV contracts are worth way more than the ACC's.But there is now a $50M exit fee, and supposedly Maryland's finances are not in good shape. What, is the Big Ten supposedly going to pay the fee? I don't see any logical scenario where Maryland could leave the ACC any time in the foreseeable future.(One caveat on that is that there are rumors once again flying in College Park that MD is either courting or being courted by the Big Ten).
He doesn't. Not totally sure why Roy offered him, other than for depth. He already has a similar player in Joel James (James probably isn't as skilled, but his body looks a lot better than Meeks') and he already has a few other long term bigs on the roster (Johnson and Hubert) with Hicks coming in next year to replace MacAdoo. Not quite sure I get it, but I'd take UNC's situation for next year(4 mediocre bigs and one potential star) over Duke's (1 undersized mediocre big, 1 unproven big and a whole lot of nothing) right now.BJ Anya is a heck of a talent. Big, strong kid with FREAKISHLY long arms (literally the longest wingspan in the history of the draftexpress.com database) Lots of other schools were looking at him early, but in the end, his only option was NC St (unless he publicly opened it back up) after Indiana backed out to take Vonleh instead.I see NCSU got a commitment from some beast out of DeMatha
Some concerns about his motor and weight (he got into great shape at one point like a year and half ago but then put some weight back on) but its still an awesome signing. Lots of people on the Duke boards #####ing (rightfully so IMO) about the fact that the staff didn't recruit him very hard.
Same goes for Kennedy Meeks, who picked UNC yesterday. 6'9 275 and grew up a Duke fan (he stated this is an interview with Scout.com YESTERDAY) but Duke didn't like his lack of conditioning or tendency to drift out to the perimeter. Considering what Duke's post situation looks like for next year, I think it was a massive mistake. That's the kind of kid that you take and then beat the hell out of him until he loses enough weight to play in your system. Sure some kids never get it (Josh Smith of UCLA) but others drop the pounds and become tremendous contributors (Dexter Pittman at Texas a few years ago, for example)
Meeks looks like the lovechild of Sean May and Fat Albert. I'm sure he is good but the Crazies will have fun with him. And I'm not sure I'd sell on Amile Jefferson. Both he and Hairston are small but Jefferson provides a bit more athleticism. They also add Hood who I could see play the 4 at times. Losing out on Randle hurt but word is they are looking for a 1 year stop gap like a Grad student or Juco transfer.BJ Anya is a heck of a talent. Big, strong kid with FREAKISHLY long arms (literally the longest wingspan in the history of the draftexpress.com database) Lots of other schools were looking at him early, but in the end, his only option was NC St (unless he publicly opened it back up) after Indiana backed out to take Vonleh instead.I see NCSU got a commitment from some beast out of DeMatha
Some concerns about his motor and weight (he got into great shape at one point like a year and half ago but then put some weight back on) but its still an awesome signing. Lots of people on the Duke boards #####ing (rightfully so IMO) about the fact that the staff didn't recruit him very hard.
Same goes for Kennedy Meeks, who picked UNC yesterday. 6'9 275 and grew up a Duke fan (he stated this is an interview with Scout.com YESTERDAY) but Duke didn't like his lack of conditioning or tendency to drift out to the perimeter. Considering what Duke's post situation looks like for next year, I think it was a massive mistake. That's the kind of kid that you take and then beat the hell out of him until he loses enough weight to play in your system. Sure some kids never get it (Josh Smith of UCLA) but others drop the pounds and become tremendous contributors (Dexter Pittman at Texas a few years ago, for example)