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2014 ACC Basketball [Closed - use 2015 thread instead] (1 Viewer)

Duke fans getting all gassed up because Jabari supposedly registered for fall classes and housing today.
Since when to basketball upperclassmen live on-campus? It's also sort of strange that the initial source is a Philly writer citing a Duke source. I don't know whether it gives it more or less credence, but it's certainly strange the source (presumably a coach or player) would say that instead of just waiting until he made his decision.

Not saying it won't happen, but I'll still be shocked if he comes back.

 
Duke fans getting all gassed up because Jabari supposedly registered for fall classes and housing today.
Honestly there was a rumor that he was coming back about a week ago. I thought I saw some discussion about it here. I guess not. Reasonably legitimate I think.

 
Duke fans getting all gassed up because Jabari supposedly registered for fall classes and housing today.
Honestly there was a rumor that he was coming back about a week ago. I thought I saw some discussion about it here. I guess not. Reasonably legitimate I think.
all kinds of stuff floating around. The "insiders" on the duke boards seem to be softening a tiny bit on the "everyone expects him to leave" stance. But its a very minor softening. I still expect him to be gone, especially with his dad's health issues.

 
Duke fans getting all gassed up because Jabari supposedly registered for fall classes and housing today.
Honestly there was a rumor that he was coming back about a week ago. I thought I saw some discussion about it here. I guess not. Reasonably legitimate I think.
all kinds of stuff floating around. The "insiders" on the duke boards seem to be softening a tiny bit on the "everyone expects him to leave" stance. But its a very minor softening. I still expect him to be gone, especially with his dad's health issues.
Yeah, i'm not sure it makes sense to come back, but I always root for great players to spend more time in the ACC. So here's hoping.

(And based on that criteria, I don't expect any Duke fans to be hoping McAdoo comes back. ;) )

 
I see the State fans are excited and vocal now that their favorite time of year is here. Nice five month break from choking and looking up at UNC in the standings.

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
You mean like all the penalties duke avoided with boozer, Duhon, maggette, or lance Thomas?

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
You mean like all the penalties duke avoided with boozer, Duhon, maggette, or lance Thomas?
Um, well, you see... Look, squirrel!

 
FIRED FIRED FIRED!

For more than a decade, UNC-Chapel Hill’s athletic department used neuropsychologist Lyn Johnson to diagnose learning disabilities among newly admitted athletes. Records show her business received tens of thousands of dollars each year for the work. But in July, after athletic officials learned her data was being used in research that suggested the university was admitting athletes with poor literacy skills, they pulled the plug on her $50,000 annual contract. :lmao:

UNC officials have not explained why they dropped Johnson. But she lost her contract after whistleblower Mary Willingham spoke at a conference on athletics at UNC a year ago and gave them a preview of her findings about athletes’ literacy levels. She listed Johnson as a co-researcher in the study.

University officials previously have sought to discredit the work.

Numerous times, correspondence shows the academic support program for athletes had confidence in Johnson’s work. One such letter was written in May, by Tom Timmermans, the assistant athletic director for compliance. He wrote that her firm, Cognitive Neuropsychology, had “knowledgeable professionals with experience diagnosing adults with disabilities.” He also said the firm had an “established working relationship” with the academic support program and was “sharing information when appropriate and necessary.”

:lmao: So clearly, now that Johnson's data shows UNC had illiterate players who should have been ineligible the work was no longer "appropriate and necessary" :lmao: You just can't make this stuff up!!!

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
You mean like all the penalties duke avoided with boozer, Duhon, maggette, or lance Thomas?
Yeah, Myron Piggie - - the one thing Duke has ever done during K's tenure that was the slightest bit wrong. Doesn't really compare, does it? Boozer? Duhon? Oof, if it wasn't the Voice of Duke-Hating JacketFan speaking I would never guess. And I'm not sure how Lance Thomas having a dispute with a jewelry store (since resolved) has anything to do with the Duke athletics program. But keep flailing.

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
I assure you I would not. Others might, but not me. I've posted plenty of times about not caring about this BS regardless of the program. The only time I mention any of the ridiculous Duke "scandals" is when some Duke fan is being obnoxious. I couldn't care less about any of it. I understand some people want to emphasis the "college" part of college basketball but I think it's a joke and have for years. Like you said, different strokes.

 
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Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
You mean like all the penalties duke avoided with boozer, Duhon, maggette, or lance Thomas?
Yeah, Myron Piggie - - the one thing Duke has ever done during K's tenure that was the slightest bit wrong. Doesn't really compare, does it? Boozer? Duhon? Oof, if it wasn't the Voice of Duke-Hating JacketFan speaking I would never guess. And I'm not sure how Lance Thomas having a dispute with a jewelry store (since resolved) has anything to do with the Duke athletics program. But keep flailing.
:lmao:

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
I assure you I would not. Others might, but not me. I've posted plenty of times about not caring about this BS regardless of the program. The only time I mention any of the ridiculous Duke "scandals" is when some Duke fan is being obnoxious. I couldn't care less about any of it. I understand some people want to emphasis the "college" part of college basketball but I think it's a joke and have for years. Like you said, different strokes.
After some thought, you're right. Sorry to tar you. It would be some other UNC fans and, of course, Georgia Tech Guy.

 
Heh.

I can only imagine how some of you would act if something seriously untoward occurred at Duke that involved its athletics program, one or more deeply flawed investigations was conducted, and then the whole thing was just left to wither on the vine by the NCAA and, of course, Duke. Tobias would be posting 10-15 times a day about it, calling for a special commission, federal indictments, the involvement of the World Court, etc. - - and he's an FFA UNC fan who's actually smart and well-reasoned. Meanwhile, for good measure, I'd be horrified and embarrassed, and seriously reconsidering my love for the Blue Devils. Different strokes, I guess. :shrug:
I assure you I would not. Others might, but not me. I've posted plenty of times about not caring about this BS regardless of the program. The only time I mention any of the ridiculous Duke "scandals" is when some Duke fan is being obnoxious. I couldn't care less about any of it. I understand some people want to emphasis the "college" part of college basketball but I think it's a joke and have for years. Like you said, different strokes.
For me, I believe you can find some sort of cheating at every program in the NCAA. Some just do a better job of covering it up than others. Or sometimes the rules the schools violate is stupid. Like Pryor and those other tOSU guys who got in trouble for selling THEIR stuff. Who gives a crap. The NCAA is a joke and I hope they come crumbling down soon.

 
So Grant (Cuse) leaving and Harrell (Ville) staying.

So odd that those matter and Maryland getting a 7-footer to commit and announcing that 3 guys are transferring doesn't mean anything.

 
Devonte Graham was finally released now that App fired Capel. It was announced today that he will visit Kansas and N.C. State, and there are many other teams supposedly interested. He would be an awesome addition to State's class.

 
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Devonte Graham was finally released now that App fired Capel. It was announced today that he will visit Kansas and N.C. State, and there are many other teams supposedly interested. He would be an awesome addition to State's class.
Yeah, this is going to be interesting. The only big knock on Graham during his junior year was his height - he was only 5'9", so App State was the best offer he got. Well, he's 6'1" now, which literally elevated him to high-major talent.KU has a chummy relationship with the Brewster Academy coach, but if they sign Myles Turner they will have to "encourage" a bench wing to transfer to make room for Graham.

NC State can pitch geographic proximity to Graham's family plus immediate playing time.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Devonte Graham was finally released now that App fired Capel. It was announced today that he will visit Kansas and N.C. State, and there are many other teams supposedly interested. He would be an awesome addition to State's class.
Yeah, this is going to be interesting. The only big knock on Graham during his junior year was his height - he was only 5'9", so App State was the best offer he got. Well, he's 6'1" now, which literally elevated him to high-major talent.KU has a chummy relationship with the Brewster Academy coach, but if they sign Myles Turner they will have to "encourage" a bench wing to transfer to make room for Graham.

NC State can pitch geographic proximity to Graham's family plus immediate playing time.
Immediate playing time will be limited at State. Cat Barber should play 25+ mpg next season, as Lacey should at SG and Turner at SF. Des Lee is a senior guard already coming off the bench, and the incoming Martin twins are wing players.

Aside from Barber, though, none are pure PGs, so he would play, but it seems unlikely it would be more than 10 mpg or so, barring unexpected departures or injuries.

 
Jabari to announce tomorrow, right?

What do you guys think?

I'd be completely awestruck if he stayed.
Now its looking like later in the week (per several guys on the duke boards)

Translation(in my opinion): He's leaving and K doesn't want him to spoil/take attention away from the seniors at tomorrow night's banquet.

I seriously doubt anyone other than the Parkers, the team and the staff know anything at this point, and I can't imagine any of them spilling the beans at this point. A lot less "insider" info flowing out of the program now that Collins is gone.

Too much money on the table for him to stay, especially with his father's health situation.

 
On a sidenote...I am in Raleigh for a couple of days.

I get to Enterprise Rentacar and attached to my luggage is my Duke neck pillow.

The guy behind the counter gives me a water and we go through the paperwork and he looks over and says, "Looks like you've got some trash to throw away...let me get that for you" and points towards my neck pillow.

I said, "Let me guess...State?"

He said, "Absolutely!"

God Bless being back home...love this place.

 
Jabari to announce tomorrow, right?

What do you guys think?

I'd be completely awestruck if he stayed.
Now its looking like later in the week (per several guys on the duke boards)

Translation(in my opinion): He's leaving and K doesn't want him to spoil/take attention away from the seniors at tomorrow night's banquet.

I seriously doubt anyone other than the Parkers, the team and the staff know anything at this point, and I can't imagine any of them spilling the beans at this point. A lot less "insider" info flowing out of the program now that Collins is gone.

Too much money on the table for him to stay, especially with his father's health situation.
The banquet being on Wednesday was about the only thing that lead me to believe he might stay. Even ignoring the seniors, it'd be pretty awkward to announcer your leaving at that. Pushing it back might not necessarily indicate anything but it not being on the banquet night should be telling.

I don't see how he comes back. Almost every top pick who has come back has fallen. Perhaps the only one that was this high up who came back was Smart so it is a smaller sample size. But next year's class is no slouch and with perhaps the #1 pick next year being on the roster, Jabari could lose some touches. Beyond that, Jabari needs to work on his jump shot but why would he in college when he has already shown he can dominate in the paint? And if he comes back and doesn't progress, he drops. Just doesn't make much sense unless Jahlil and company convince him to go for a title.

 
That's the thing. Barring an amputation, Jabari goes in the top 5 of any draft. However, if a year from now (assuming he returned to school) he's still carrying 15 lbs of baby fat and not making jump shots, teams will start to ask questions about his ceiling.

I gotta think the Duke staff (and NBA scouts) are pretty disappointing with Jabari's lack of physical improvement in the Duke S&C program. His body got worse as the season went on. He needs to make a serious commitment to eating better if he wants to survive an 82 game NBA season.

 
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Marcus Smart's going to be fine in the end, but he's a pretty instructive example as to the dangers of staying.

I'd take Parker over Randle 8 days a week. Seems like a Top 3 lock to me, but who knows.

 
Every "Insider" at TDD says Parker is gone. Informed staff on Tuesday supposedly. Wish him luck and can't blame him for going. His father is very ill and he's a top 4 pick. He'll represent Duke well.

 
Nice statement from Jabari Parker on his decision to declare for the draft. Lays it on a little thick for sure, but a class act. Glad to see him go both as a UNC fan and an NBA fan.
Good for him. Great individual year. I'd agree that sadly the college game doesn't really give him much to grow. He could stay, play on the favorite team, and probably dominate down low again, but the kid has enough to work on where playing to his strengths for another year wouldn't be helpful.

On a personal note, I've found myself less caring about recruiting and not even giving any hope to these guys coming back. Makes days like this easy but really has my interest in college basketball waning.

 
Although I think coming back would have given Jabari SOME opportunities for improvement (mostly because he'd be forced out to the perimeter on both ends of the court due to the presence of Okafor) it isn't anything he couldn't learn in the NBA. The $$$ he'll get will pay for a world class nutritionist and the time he isn't spending taking classes can be spent taking thousands of jump shots.

He's going to struggle badly on defense, but whatever. Considering he'll probably end up on some dog #### team like Milwaukee or Sacramento, it will be years before he's in a position (the playoffs) where his defense means anything.

Rice transfer Sean Obi on Duke's campus as we speak. 6'9 265 averaged 11 and 9 as a freshman last year. Only looking at big time academic schools (UVA, Vandy, NW, Duke) so you gotta think they have a pretty good shot. Practicing against Okafor will do wonders for his development during his redshirt year.

 
Man Okafor is a freaking beast. He may be better than Elton Brand coming into Duke. Duke and uNC's players in this incoming class all look fantastic, and even better, all good kids. ACC should bounce back nicely next year.

 
Duke lands Sean Obi, freshman transfer from Rice. BIG kid, legit 6'9" who averaged 11 and 9 as a freshman. I think Jabari helped seal the deal. https://i.imgflip.com/897ta.jpg

He'll sit out a year but should benefit greatly practicing against Okafor next year.

And for you Star Wars nerds, Duke will have 2 kids named Obi and Luke playing in 2015.

 
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Semi might have some competition for "THE BELT" for the winner of the best strength/conditioning results in the weight room

 
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@Maryland, really? Ugh
You can take College Park out of the ACC, but you can't ...

I'm surprised the ACC agreed to that match-up. I was fairly certain Maryland would not get to play a traditional ACC rival and get Louisville or Pittsburgh or maybe BC. On the plus side, if Allen and Mitchell end up transferring, too, it's not like Maryland will have a roster full of D-1 players. On the downside, the crowd will probably be in "spectacular" form.

 
@Maryland, really? Ugh
You can take College Park out of the ACC, but you can't ...

I'm surprised the ACC agreed to that match-up. I was fairly certain Maryland would not get to play a traditional ACC rival and get Louisville or Pittsburgh or maybe BC. On the plus side, if Allen and Mitchell end up transferring, too, it's not like Maryland will have a roster full of D-1 players. On the downside, the crowd will probably be in "spectacular" form.
Who sets the matchups, though? Is it ESPN, or is it the conferences themselves? I can definitely see ESPN favoring a "grudge match" of Maryland versus traditional ACC school.

 

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