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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)

Yes.  LeBron just finished his age-31 season.  Jordan's age-31 season was 1993, when the Bulls beat the Barkley/KJ/Majerle Suns to win their third straight title.

Jordan's age-32 and age-33 seasons were the baseball sabbatical.

Jordan's last season with the Bulls was age-36.
Two differences worth mentioning, MJ saved his body by playing in college for 3-years.  Also, don't think LeBron's game ages as gracefully.  That said, don't think he is going to go play baseball or football next year so should be back at it.  Will be fun to watch.  Know he got skinny when he came back to Cleveland presumably to prolong his career.  

 
Philly has won a title in one of the four major sports in the last 10 years (2008).  No. 

Buffalo is the obvious answer here. 
I'll give it to Buffalo but Philly is definitely tops of the 4 team towns. Yes we just won a title, 9 years ago. That was our first in 25 years at that point and now we have 2 titles from 4 sports in 35 years. It ain't all sunshine and rainbows up in this #####.

 
Also Lebron coming to Philly. He figures taking the Sixers to a title after they won 10 games last year will count as 3 titles in one instantly jumping him to MJ level.

 
Put a little on Minnesota (+7500) and Orlando (+12500) to win the 2017 title.  Feels like I might be a year early, but I'd kick myself if I missed out.

 
Lots of young people with limited perspectives here. I thought the board skewed a bit older than this. 

Cowboys were a dynasty in the 90s. Mavs won a title recently. Stars won in 1999 also. Dallas is just a horrible choice. 

 
So I have watched replays of The Block about 20 times today. 

I am still amazed at it. Every. Single. Time. 

Maybe the greatest defensive play I can ever remember. 

 
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So I have watched replays of The Block about 20 times today. 

I am still amazed at it. Every. Single. Time. 

Maybe the greatest defensive play I can ever remember. 
I like how he casually had his left hand ready to block the other side of the hoop too. 

That one was the best because of the timing in the 4th quarter, but there were multiple soul crushing big kid vs. little kid blocks in the last couple games.

The one on Curry in game 6 was hilarious then he did it again in game 7. 

 
Minnesota won 3 with the Twins and their basketball franchise is relatively new.  Buffalo only has a football team (hockey doesn't count).  
Counting a Twins win from 1924?

Rockets won 2 since the last Twins title. 

Hockey counts double IMO.

 
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Guys it's Buffalo and Minnesota and nobody else is even close.
LOFL at Minnesota. The Twins won the World Series in 1987 and 1991. The Vikings won the NFL championship in 1969. (And the Lynx have won 3 WNBA championships in since 2011. ;) ) Minnesota is not in this conversation.

Buffalo won the NFL championship in 1964 and 1965. Plus, the Bills reached the Super Bowl 4 times and lost, and the Sabres reached the Stanley Cup finals twice and lost, so they got very close several times since 1965.

The Chargers have spent 52 seasons in San Diego with zero championships, and the Padres have spent 48 seasons in San Diego with zero championships. They also briefly had the Clippers and Rockets with no championships. The Chargers reached the Super Bowl 1 time and the Padres reached the World Series 2 times during that span.

Chargers "win" here, because they have the most total major sports seasons (110, counting this year for the Padres) without a championship, and, in fact, have never had a championship. The only other city that is close is Buffalo, and Buffalo teams reached the final game/series twice as often as San Diego teams, plus they actually won 2 championships in their history.

 
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Minnesota won 3 with the Twins.  Buffalo only has a football team (hockey doesn't really really count).  
1924, 1987, 1991.  

Its been 25 years.  

Buffalo only has two major teams...one by your standards.  The magnitude of failure is lower than that of a city that can fail in all four major sports (hockey really really does count as a major sport).  

Buffalo is sad though.  I think we can all agree on that.  

 
Yeah but nobody in San Diego can complain bc you live in paradise. 

People in Minnesota and Buffalo have little else to look forward to besides our sports teams. 

 
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LOFL at Minnesota. The Twins won the championship in 1987 and 1991. The Vikings won the NFL championship in 1969. (And the Lynx have won 3 WNBA championships in since 2011. ;) ) Minnesota is not in this conversation.

Buffalo won the NFL championship in 1964 and 1965. Plus, the Bills reached the Super Bowl 4 times and lost, and the Sabres reached the Stanley Cup finals twice and lost, so they got very close several times since 1965.

The Chargers have spent 52 seasons in San Diego with zero championships, and the Padres have spent 48 seasons in San Diego with zero championships. They also briefly had the Clippers and Rockets with no championships. The Chargers reached the Super Bowl 1 time and the Padres reached the World Series 2 times during that span.

Chargers "win" here, because they have the most total major sports seasons (110, counting this year for the Padres) without a championship, and, in fact, have never had a championship. The only other city that is close is Buffalo, and Buffalo teams reached the final game/series twice as often as San Diego teams, plus they actually won 2 championships in their history.
Sorry you don't get to complain about this.  Just go outside.

 
If we're also taking into consideration quality of life and the ugly women you're forced to bang, then yes Buffalo, Cleveland and Minnesota are the clear 'winners' here.  

 
I've spent a lot of time in SD and have never met a tortured San Diego fan. Whether that's because of the weather, proximity to title winning LA teams, or a healthier perspective on the roles pro sports should play in our lives, I'm not sure. But I just can't put them in that conversation. 

 
LOFL at Minnesota. The Twins won the World Series in 1987 and 1991. The Vikings won the NFL championship in 1969. (And the Lynx have won 3 WNBA championships in since 2011. ;) ) Minnesota is not in this conversation.

Buffalo won the NFL championship in 1964 and 1965. Plus, the Bills reached the Super Bowl 4 times and lost, and the Sabres reached the Stanley Cup finals twice and lost, so they got very close several times since 1965.

The Chargers have spent 52 seasons in San Diego with zero championships, and the Padres have spent 48 seasons in San Diego with zero championships. They also briefly had the Clippers and Rockets with no championships. The Chargers reached the Super Bowl 1 time and the Padres reached the World Series 2 times during that span.

Chargers "win" here, because they have the most total major sports seasons (110, counting this year for the Padres) without a championship, and, in fact, have never had a championship. The only other city that is close is Buffalo, and Buffalo teams reached the final game/series twice as often as San Diego teams, plus they actually won 2 championships in their history.
And if we are going to count NFL championships, not superbowls, then shouldn't we count AFL championships as well?  Which both san diego and buffalo won before the merger?  As a vikings fan, 1969 doesn't count.  Just ask any cheesehead wearing fool you might bump into.  

 
LOFL at Minnesota. The Twins won the World Series in 1987 and 1991. The Vikings won the NFL championship in 1969. (And the Lynx have won 3 WNBA championships in since 2011. ;) ) Minnesota is not in this conversation.

Buffalo won the NFL championship in 1964 and 1965. Plus, the Bills reached the Super Bowl 4 times and lost, and the Sabres reached the Stanley Cup finals twice and lost, so they got very close several times since 1965.

The Chargers have spent 52 seasons in San Diego with zero championships, and the Padres have spent 48 seasons in San Diego with zero championships. They also briefly had the Clippers and Rockets with no championships. The Chargers reached the Super Bowl 1 time and the Padres reached the World Series 2 times during that span.

Chargers "win" here, because they have the most total major sports seasons (110, counting this year for the Padres) without a championship, and, in fact, have never had a championship. The only other city that is close is Buffalo, and Buffalo teams reached the final game/series twice as often as San Diego teams, plus they actually won 2 championships in their history.
The thing about San Diego is that it doesn't feel like torture.  There were no close calls.  Blown out in the Super Bowl by the 49ers.  Padres swept in the 1998 world series and lost 4-1 in the 1984 world series.  San Diego has never even had a truly "great" team.  

 
Former Providence coach Tim Welch said(On Sports tonight, local show up here) the 6ers are doing serious recon on Dunn down in Providence. Saying Noel for #3 pick possible over the next 48 hours :popcorn:  not sure how I fell about Noel though

 
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Two differences worth mentioning, MJ saved his body by playing in college for 3-years.  Also, don't think LeBron's game ages as gracefully.  That said, don't think he is going to go play baseball or football next year so should be back at it.  Will be fun to watch.  Know he got skinny when he came back to Cleveland presumably to prolong his career.  
Hmm.  I think there's a lot to suggest that LeBron's game ages gracefully, if for no other reason than the advances made in sports medicine over the last 20 years.  But savant-level passing doesn't really decline with age, he's tall enough to remain a rebounding force at both ends, he's really clever with both hands around the basket, great at filling open space and avoiding fouls... If the Association was still a bunch of iso-heavy rock fights I could see it, but LeBron won't need to jump over the pile to be effective in his mid-30s; the game is changing just the right ways to suit him.

 
The thing about San Diego is that it doesn't feel like torture.  There were no close calls.  Blown out in the Super Bowl by the 49ers.  Padres swept in the 1998 world series and lost 4-1 in the 1984 world series.  San Diego has never even had a truly "great" team.  
This is a really good point.  The worst torture San Diego fans have endured is Marty Schottenheimer and Norv Turner coaching in the playoffs, and they knew what they were getting into with both guys.  It's child's play compared to the Bills' run of Super Bowl losses or all the playoff games the Vikings have blown in the last two minutes.  

Plus, there's the San Diego Sockers MISL dynasty.  They were so dominant they pretty much shut down the league.

 
SD also had the Ryan Leaf era to live through...not sure if that counts towards the goal or not.

Especially since no one expects SD to win anything anytime soon or even when they've got a solid team...everyone is expecting them to lose it ultimately.


I believe SD is the answer, even though no one around the area really cares...

 
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Former Providence coach Tim Welch said(On Sports tonight, local show up here) the 6ers are doing serious recon on Dunn down in Providence. Saying Noel for #3 pick possible over the next 48 hours :popcorn:  not sure how I fell about Noel though
No ####### way Noel is worth the number 3 pick, even in a two player draft. Noel has been only OK and has a year left before he gets a nice over priced contract in the most inflated cap the NBA may ever see. Drafting somebody they get 4 years of cheap contracts and probably a 70% chance that they have the better player as well. If Boston is really considering that, there should be 28 teams on the phone ready to offer a better deal.

 
I never understood a 30 year-old bemoaning their team not having won for 100 years or whatever. 
A 30-year-old with a 60-year-old parent and a 90-year-old grandparent who are all fans of the same team?  I get it then.  I'm a third-generation fan of a franchise (one quite the opposite of "tortured").  I feel a connection to the team's history others might not because being a fan of the team is part of being in the family.

 
A 30-year-old with a 60-year-old parent and a 90-year-old grandparent who are all fans of the same team?  I get it then.  I'm a third-generation fan of a franchise (one quite the opposite of "tortured").  I feel a connection to the team's history others might not because being a fan of the team is part of being in the family.
Oh well la-dee-da, look who has relatives that procreated at a responsible and appropriate age.

Connection, sure. But any "suffering"/"torture"  that supposedly gets passed down is a double-dose of bull####.

 
Oh well la-dee-da, look who has relatives that procreated at a responsible and appropriate age.

Connection, sure. But any "suffering"/"torture"  that supposedly gets passed down is a double-dose of bull####.
The bloodline I suggested was hypothetical, though re-reading I see how a reasonable person could infer what you did.

The whole process of being a sports fan is pretty silly.  Just throw that one on the pile, I guess.

 
The whole process of being a sports fan is pretty silly.  
More and more I'm coming to that conclusion. As someone who's acted like a complete butthole because of a sporting event, one reeeally shouldn't act like a complete butthole over a sporting event. Unless you're like, you know, 20 years old or something.

This off-season is going to be a pretty good litmus test for the Warriors' basketball ops, as to whether they're really #lightyears ahead of everyone else, or if they were born on third and are of the firm belief that they've hit a triple. Think I'm like 70/30 towards the latter camp.

 
More and more I'm coming to that conclusion. As someone who's acted like a complete butthole because of a sporting event, one reeeally shouldn't act like a complete butthole over a sporting event. Unless you're like, you know, 20 years old or something.
As bad as pro sports fans are, college sports fans are worse.  And I'm saying this as a fan of a CBB blueblood, which makes me part of the problem, not the solution.  But I can't not like the game.

I've been able to wean myself off football.  I never played it, all that CTE stuff made me feel dirty about supporting it.  Only thing about I really miss was for a while (S my own D alert) I was a really good CFB capper.  Tracking that stuff was more fun to me than the games.

But it would be really tough to let go of basketball and baseball.  Too many summers on the diamond, too many winters on the hardwood. 

 
This off-season is going to be a pretty good litmus test for the Warriors' basketball ops, as to whether they're really #lightyears ahead of everyone else, or if they were born on third and are of the firm belief that they've hit a triple. Think I'm like 70/30 towards the latter camp.
I know I've joked a lot about Kerr is here, but I was really making fun of an FFA jackhole with that shtick.  It could be argued they fell back-asswards into a HOF-caliber coach that they hired with no previous experience, but there was a lot to suggest he would be an asset running a bench.

Curry's having surgery this off-season, right?  Two procedures?  The recovery from that is as important as any FO moves, TBH.

If they stand pat, they're still the favorites to win the West and the best team on paper.  Their peers are either capped out, unwilling to pay the price of a championship, or having age catch up to them. 

 
Guys it's Buffalo and Minnesota and nobody else is even close.
I know even the people here in the city don't care but if the Braves didn't win that one WS then Atlanta is on the list.  Hawks and Falcons have been mediocre to bad my entire life.  Braves were putrid when I was a kid and then had that great run but only got the one title (Minnesota beating them one of those times).  And we lost our hockey team twice - granted we never should have had either.

 
Curry's having surgery this off-season, right?  Two procedures?  The recovery from that is as important as any FO moves, TBH.

If they stand pat, they're still the favorites to win the West and the best team on paper.  Their peers are either capped out, unwilling to pay the price of a championship, or having age catch up to them. 
MCL and shoulder surgery.  But that doesn't devalue the importance of their off season.  They only have two players under contract after 16-17.

ETA---not counting Looney and this year's pick.

 
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I think some Chargers fans will say that the 14-2 team losing to the Patriots in the '06 playoffs was brutal, but let's face it, SD fans have never had their hearts ripped out with gut-punching losses like Buffalo fans did by the Norwood miss in the Super Bowl or the skate in the crease loss to the Stars. 

 
Curry was really exposed the last two rounds. He's a great shooter whose range and release is just insane. He can have a long career overall, but his window of an mvp type player is small imo and may be over if people just abuse him on the other end of the court. 

 
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I know I've joked a lot about Kerr is here, but I was really making fun of an FFA jackhole with that shtick.  It could be argued they fell back-asswards into a HOF-caliber coach that they hired with no previous experience, but there was a lot to suggest he would be an asset running a bench.

Curry's having surgery this off-season, right?  Two procedures?  The recovery from that is as important as any FO moves, TBH.

If they stand pat, they're still the favorites to win the West and the best team on paper.  Their peers are either capped out, unwilling to pay the price of a championship, or having age catch up to them. 
i think we saw that gs depends more than they would like to admit on guys like bogut and iggy and livingston this series when they were hurt or not in they were not as effective i actually think that gs is also somewhat open to age catching up with them if the dependence on those guys is as big as it seemed to be bromigo take that to the bank also clownshow bob and barnes stink the bag 

 

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