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2015 Oakland Raiders Thread (2 Viewers)

Searching Dupree and Raiders on Twitter, and not finding anything approaching a credible source. Lot of draft dweebs, no news guys.
Bloom had a Eric Galko (sp) 'On The Couch' this week. He was saying Dupree to Oakland is "one if the things he feels most confident in" because it's a weak draft and Dupree is one of the highest upside candidates. (From what I remember)

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massraider said:
Searching Dupree and Raiders on Twitter, and not finding anything approaching a credible source. Lot of draft dweebs, no news guys.
Bloom had a Eric Galko (sp) 'On The Couch' this week. He was saying Dupree to Oakland is "one if the things he feels most confident in" because it's a weak draft and Dupree is one of the highest upside candidates. (From what I remember)

Go to 14:53

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/footballguys.com-audible-fantasy/id178083008?mt=2&i=340590754
I think connecting the dots,you could make a strong case for him to Oakland, but no one with any rep for breaking stories has anything going.

 
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massraider said:
Searching Dupree and Raiders on Twitter, and not finding anything approaching a credible source. Lot of draft dweebs, no news guys.
Bloom had a Eric Galko (sp) 'On The Couch' this week. He was saying Dupree to Oakland is "one if the things he feels most confident in" because it's a weak draft and Dupree is one of the highest upside candidates.(From what I remember)

Go to 14:53

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/footballguys.com-audible-fantasy/id178083008?mt=2&i=340590754
I think connecting the dots,you could make a strong case for him to Oakland, but no one with any rep for breaking stories has anything going.
Daniel Jeremiah@MoveTheSticks 1h1 hour ago
I've talked to several personnel guys that think Dupree is going to get picked ahead of Beasley and Ray. Bigger/stronger

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.

 
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft

This guy has a formula he uses for edge players, and historically ranks recent draftees and current draftees using the formula. Strictly measureables, but interesting to read, Guys either 'pass through' the filter (good) or don't (bad).

This year's winners:

Vic Beasley, Clemson Randy Gregory, Nebraska Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Owa Odighizuwa, UCLA Preston Smith, Miss St Danielle Hunter, LSU Frank Clark, Michigan Shaquille Riddick, WVU Marcus Rush, Michigan State Davis Tull, UT-Chattanooga
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft

This guy has a formula he uses for edge players, and historically ranks recent draftees and current draftees using the formula. Strictly measureables, but interesting to read, Guys either 'pass through' the filter (good) or don't (bad).

This year's winners:

Vic Beasley, Clemson

Randy Gregory, Nebraska

Alvin Dupree, Kentucky

Owa Odighizuwa, UCLA

Preston Smith, Miss St

Danielle Hunter, LSU

Frank Clark, Michigan

Shaquille Riddick, WVU

Marcus Rush, Michigan State

Davis Tull, UT-Chattanooga
Thx for that list. Very curious that the consensus BPA this year didn't make the list.

 
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/53704/466/force-players-2015-draft

This guy has a formula he uses for edge players, and historically ranks recent draftees and current draftees using the formula. Strictly measureables, but interesting to read, Guys either 'pass through' the filter (good) or don't (bad).

This year's winners:

Vic Beasley, Clemson

Randy Gregory, Nebraska

Alvin Dupree, Kentucky

Owa Odighizuwa, UCLA

Preston Smith, Miss St

Danielle Hunter, LSU

Frank Clark, Michigan

Shaquille Riddick, WVU

Marcus Rush, Michigan State

Davis Tull, UT-Chattanooga
Thx for that list. Very curious that the consensus BPA this year didn't make the list.
Not considered an edge rusher. Was essentially ranked as a DT.

By the way, if you skim, you'll notice Clowney didn't make the cut. I think that had something to do with an injury during workouts, but makes you say :mellow:

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.
I like this, but I don't think he will be there.

 
Frank Cooney projected 7 rounds for us:

TOP 3 NEEDS IN 2015 DRAFT

1. Wide receiver: Derek Carr needs a go-to receiver and the draft affords the possibility of getting one with the fourth pick in the draft, whether it be Amari Cooper of Alabama, Kevin White of West Virginia or DeVante Parker of Louisville. Veteran James Jones had 73 catches for only 9.1 yards per reception. Andre Holmes had a team-high 693 yards receiving on a team that hasn't had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2005 (Randy Moss). Michael Crabtree was signed to a one-year contract, but that shouldn't stop the Raiders from going in this direction.

2. Guard: With Austin Howard moving outside to right tackle and Rodney Hudson taking over at center, the Raiders need a guard to go along with left guard Gabe Jackson. Veteran Khalif Barnes is available, but coach Jack Del Rio has voiced his preference to have Barnes serve as a veteran sub available at both tackle and guard spots. General manager Reggie McKenzie believes he can find another guard in the draft.

3. Outside linebacker/defensive end: The Raiders had only 22 sacks in 2014, a team that could occasionally pressure the quarterback but too often didn't get there for a drive-killing sack. Rookie Khalil Mack's 4.5 sacks were deceiving in terms of his pass-rush skills, but there is little doubt another outside presence would enhance his ability to do more than simply pressure the quarterback. Veteran Justin Tuck led the Raiders with five sacks.

MAKE ALL THE RAIDERS' PICKS

Below is list of all seven of the Raiders' picks, with players suggested by NFLDrafScout.com.
Who would you take? Let us know in comments.

Raiders' 2015 Draft
1/4: Leonard Williams, DT/DE, Southern Cal
2/35: Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California:
3/68: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart
4/102: Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB, Washington
5/140: Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn
6/179: Malcolm Brown, RB, Texas
7/221: Justin Manton, K, Louisiana-Monroe--------Do what, now??

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.
I like this, but I don't think he will be there.
Even if he is I don't think he fits McKenzie's character mold.

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.
I like this, but I don't think he will be there.
Even if he is I don't think he fits McKenzie's character mold.
Umm, yeah. Apparently choked an assistant coach.

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.
I like this, but I don't think he will be there.
Even if he is I don't think he fits McKenzie's character mold.
Umm, yeah. Apparently choked an assistant coach.
Hey, sometimes you gotta choke a coach. :shrug:

 
By the way, just throwing this out there, in case he slides: If Marcus Peters is there in the 2nd, I'll be hoping we grab him, crazy on-field behavior be damned. He is SO much better than every other corner in the draft, I'd be willing to take the chance. Shutdown potential, and I don't throw that word around easily.
I like this, but I don't think he will be there.
Even if he is I don't think he fits McKenzie's character mold.
Umm, yeah. Apparently choked an assistant coach.
Hey, sometimes you gotta choke a coach. :shrug:
Tom Cable gives this a :thumbup:

 
I really like the Ali Marpet pick in the 3rd. High character guy and I saw Reggie there personally at his pro day. Now I have no idea how many pro days Reggie goes to. But to fly across the country to check the kid out is a promising sign. Hudson, Jackson and Marpet compose a formidable, young interior line.

 
Ian Wharton@NFLFilmStudy 5m5 minutes ago
Bud Dupree to the Raiders at #4 has so much momentum now that Ray and Gregory have dropped. That's late buzz I do very much believe
How many people will lose their minds if Cooper and Williams are sitting there and Reggie Mac takes Dupree?
I will if we take him at 4. Not quite the same level of losing my mind when we took Heyward-Bey but still. If you want him, great... find a deal to trade down.

I am tired of missing out on elite pro-bowl players and getting stuck with busts or ok players. I would like to build off of finally getting a good one with Mack and possibly Carr.

 
Bruno2 said:
I really like the Ali Marpet pick in the 3rd. High character guy and I saw Reggie there personally at his pro day. Now I have no idea how many pro days Reggie goes to. But to fly across the country to check the kid out is a promising sign. Hudson, Jackson and Marpet compose a formidable, young interior line.
I think it's too early. Early 3rd round last year we got Gabe Jackson, who carried 1st round grades from some, and played big time ball. You might see Tre Jackson there in the 3rd. Guards fall, every year.

 
You may be right, I respect your opinions. Either way, I hope the guy becomes a Raider. Most everything I've read and seen, experts feel he can play in the NFL.

 
Ian Wharton@NFLFilmStudy 5m5 minutes ago
Bud Dupree to the Raiders at #4 has so much momentum now that Ray and Gregory have dropped. That's late buzz I do very much believe
How many people will lose their minds if Cooper and Williams are sitting there and Reggie Mac takes Dupree?
I will if we take him at 4. Not quite the same level of losing my mind when we took Heyward-Bey but still. If you want him, great... find a deal to trade down.

I am tired of missing out on elite pro-bowl players and getting stuck with busts or ok players. I would like to build off of finally getting a good one with Mack and possibly Carr.
McKenzie has shown me that he's a very smart GM.

Here's a list of every pick he's made.

He's really only had two drafts since he was handed only two non-comp picks in the 2012 draft (their first 3 picks were spent to get Palmer, Pryor, and Barksdale). Despite that he still got a decent starting LB in Miles Burris.

 
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Ian Wharton@NFLFilmStudy 5m5 minutes ago
Bud Dupree to the Raiders at #4 has so much momentum now that Ray and Gregory have dropped. That's late buzz I do very much believe
How many people will lose their minds if Cooper and Williams are sitting there and Reggie Mac takes Dupree?
I will if we take him at 4. Not quite the same level of losing my mind when we took Heyward-Bey but still. If you want him, great... find a deal to trade down.

I am tired of missing out on elite pro-bowl players and getting stuck with busts or ok players. I would like to build off of finally getting a good one with Mack and possibly Carr.
McKenzie has shown me that he's a very smart GM.

Here's a little of every pick he's made.

He's really only had two drafts since he was handed only two non-comp picks in the 2012 draft (their first 3 picks were spent to get Palmer, Pryor, and Barksdale). Despite that he still got a decent starting LB in Miles Burris.
This is not the draft to highlight to praise Reggie's drafting and Miles Burris is not very good.

 
McKenzie has shown me that he's a very smart GM.

Here's a list of every pick he's made.

He's really only had two drafts since he was handed only two non-comp picks in the 2012 draft (their first 3 picks were spent to get Palmer, Pryor, and Barksdale). Despite that he still got a decent starting LB in Miles Burris.
This is not the draft to highlight to praise Reggie's drafting and Miles Burris is not very good.
I wasn't praising him for it just explaining why he didn't get much of a chance (only one pick before #129 and that one was #95).

Miles Burris may not be very good but he's better than most players taken in the 4th round.

 
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Miles Burris is the opposite of good. Arguing that he's better than most 4th rounders taken that year is debatable. But consider the names taken in the fourth round that year.

Chris Givens

Lamarr Miller

Travis Benjamin

Kirk Cousins

Robert Turbin

Ladarius Green

Jarius Wright

Nick Toon

Brandon Boykin

On any other team Miles Burris doesn't start or even play much last year. If Nick Roach hadn't had concussions issues, Burris doesn't get much PT even in Oakland.

 
Fair enough - I'm not aware of how good or bad Burris is, just that he has started 31 games.

The pick was #34 in the round (comp pick) so it was essentially 5th round.

 
McKenzie has shown me that he's a very smart GM.

Here's a list of every pick he's made.

He's really only had two drafts since he was handed only two non-comp picks in the 2012 draft (their first 3 picks were spent to get Palmer, Pryor, and Barksdale). Despite that he still got a decent starting LB in Miles Burris.
This is not the draft to highlight to praise Reggie's drafting and Miles Burris is not very good.
I wasn't praising him for it just explaining why he didn't get much of a chance (only one pick before #129 and that one was #95).

Miles Burris may not be very good but he's better than most players taken in the 4th round.
You said he has shown you that he is a very smart GM and posted a link to a draft where he had 6 picks and pretty much missed on all of them. I realize they were mostly late picks and its tough to hit on them, but it just seems like an odd post to me.

 
If you throw out the 2012 draft and just look at high picks (let's say rounds 1-3) I'd say his drafting record is a mixed bad.

1 DJ Hayden - I'm not ready to say good or bad pick yet. Has not been able to stay healthy so we'll see this year.

2 Menelik Watson - Looking like a bad pick.

3 Sio Moore - Good pick

1 Khalil Mack - Great pick

2 Derek Carr - Too early to tell, but has showed promise.

3 Gabe Jackson - good pick

 
Fair enough - I'm not aware of how good or bad Burris is, just that he has started 31 games.

The pick was #34 in the round (comp pick) so it was essentially 5th round.
He started on a bad team with the 32nd ranked defense, ended up as PFF's #60 LB. a liability in coverage and not much better against the run. Good athlete but instincts are ####.
 
Such a small sample size, but it seems like each draft better than one before.

That 2013 draft was an abortion overall. Makes last year look like 1983.

 
Since it appears the Jets are interested in trading to #4 according to rumors....what could we get in return for it? The #6 pick and their 3rd rounder?

 
Miles Burris is the opposite of good. Arguing that he's better than most 4th rounders taken that year is debatable. But consider the names taken in the fourth round that year.

Chris Givens

Lamarr Miller

Travis Benjamin

Kirk Cousins

Robert Turbin

Ladarius Green

Jarius Wright

Nick Toon

Brandon Boykin

On any other team Miles Burris doesn't start or even play much last year. If Nick Roach hadn't had concussions issues, Burris doesn't get much PT even in Oakland.
:confused:

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Miles Burris is the opposite of good. Arguing that he's better than most 4th rounders taken that year is debatable. But consider the names taken in the fourth round that year.

Chris Givens

Lamarr Miller

Travis Benjamin

Kirk Cousins

Robert Turbin

Ladarius Green

Jarius Wright

Nick Toon

Brandon Boykin

On any other team Miles Burris doesn't start or even play much last year. If Nick Roach hadn't had concussions issues, Burris doesn't get much PT even in Oakland.
Well, shoot, now I feel better about Burris.

 
ICON211 said:
You said he has shown you that he is a very smart GM and posted a link to a draft where he had 6 picks and pretty much missed on all of them. I realize they were mostly late picks and its tough to hit on them, but it just seems like an odd post to me.
It was an error in the link:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=rai&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all&order_by=

 
Thoughts on the OL this year?

LT Penn

LG Jackson

C Hudson (upgrade from Wisniewski)

RG ? (draft)

RT Howard (upgrade from Watson)

Big hole at RG but isn't difficult to fill with a draft pick.

 
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That draft sucks if Menelik Watson fails. Doesn't matter about any of the other players. Hey, it's nice to hit on 6th rounders, but NFL GMs don't miss on 2nd rounders-ever.

I mean, they took Tyler Wilson in the 4th round. SAME draft as Watson.

Grade: F-

 
Thoughts on the OL this year?

LT Penn

LG Jackson

C Hudson (upgrade from Wisniewski)

RG ? (draft)

RT Barnes (upgrade from Watson)

Big hole at RG but isn't difficult to fill with a draft pick.
Howard is going to play RT. Has the makings of a very good line. I am actually a bigger fan of Barnes than most and would not mind him at RG, but they would probably rather have him as a reserve swing offensive lineman.

 
That draft sucks if Menelik Watson fails. Doesn't matter about any of the other players. Hey, it's nice to hit on 6th rounders, but NFL GMs don't miss on 2nd rounders-ever.

I mean, they took Tyler Wilson in the 4th round. SAME draft as Watson.

Grade: F-
:lol:

 
Thoughts on the OL this year?

LT Penn

LG Jackson

C Hudson (upgrade from Wisniewski)

RG ? (draft)

RT Barnes (upgrade from Watson)

Big hole at RG but isn't difficult to fill with a draft pick.
The plan currently is to have Howard play RT. Barnes and McCants are currently vying for the RG spot but I believe the Raiders hope to draft a RG in the first 3 rounds. That way Barnes can be used as an injury replacement at several positions if that should occur.

 
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Howard is going to play RT. Has the makings of a very good line. I am actually a bigger fan of Barnes than most and would not mind him at RG, but they would probably rather have him as a reserve swing offensive lineman.
Whoops, corrected it.

 
Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:26 PM
Player News: NFL | Amari Cooper makes more visits

Analysis: Alabama WR Amari Cooper has visited the Chicago Bears Washington Redskins New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in addition to his other pre-draft visits. Cooper has visited every team drafting in the top 10 except for the Oakland Raiders.

I'm not a big follower of what happens with these pre-draft visits, but would this indicate the Raiders aren't even considering Cooper? Or possible they have seen everything they need to at combine, etc.
 
Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:26 PM
Player News: NFL | Amari Cooper makes more visits
Analysis: Alabama WR Amari Cooper has visited the Chicago Bears Washington Redskins New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in addition to his other pre-draft visits. Cooper has visited every team drafting in the top 10 except for the Oakland Raiders.

I'm not a big follower of what happens with these pre-draft visits, but would this indicate the Raiders aren't even considering Cooper? Or possible they have seen everything they need to at combine, etc.
I don't put stock in visits much at all. Teams are all about trying to throw the other teams off on who they really want. Big prospects like Cooper, you get the look you want at the combine.

 
Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:26 PM
Player News: NFL | Amari Cooper makes more visits
Analysis: Alabama WR Amari Cooper has visited the Chicago Bears Washington Redskins New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in addition to his other pre-draft visits. Cooper has visited every team drafting in the top 10 except for the Oakland Raiders.

I'm not a big follower of what happens with these pre-draft visits, but would this indicate the Raiders aren't even considering Cooper? Or possible they have seen everything they need to at combine, etc.
I don't put stock in visits much at all. Teams are all about trying to throw the other teams off on who they really want. Big prospects like Cooper, you get the look you want at the combine.
I don't put much stock in them either. For example the Raiders never visited with Mack last year and they chose him last year.

 
Bob McGinn, who covers the Pack, does a draft series every year that's great, he talks to a lot of people, and does ratings based on what he hears. His coverage of the DL:

The Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn assesses the top defensive linemen in the draft this week. Included is each player's height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.

DEFENSIVE ENDS1. ARIK ARMSTEAD, Oregon (6-7, 290, 5.10, 1): Third-year junior from Sacramento, Calif. "If you're going to make him a 5-technique (DE in a 3-4) he's an obstacle," one scout said. "He will lay out to make plays. It's not every down, but when he gets in the league I suspect it will be every down. You've got to harness his talent. It's not ready-made." Started 19 of 39 games, finishing with 87 tackles (10 for loss) and 4 sacks. "Physical and strong," a second scout said. "Plays high. Has some lapses in his play. Power type rusher. Pretty good athlete." Scored 26 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test, second highest among the top 12 DEs. "Put him at (offensive) left tackle," a third scout said. "Great athlete. Overrated. Plays when he wants to play."

2. MARIO EDWARDS, Florida State (6-2 ½, 279, 4.81, 1-2): Third-year junior. "He's a phenomenal athlete," one scout said. "He's similar to Sheldon Richardson coming out from a measurable standpoint. He ran better, he's taller, his arm length was a little better. It would not shock me if somebody took him late first (round) because of the upside." Played as heavy as 312. Some teams view him as a 3-technique (DT in a 4-3) while 3-4 teams see him as a 5-technique or OLB. Stood up on the right outside as "jack" LB in 2014. "He's a pretty looking racehorse but he never finishes the race," another scout said. "He plays lethargic. He's not long enough to be a 5-technique, and I don't think he has instinctive feel or passion for the game." Wore jersey No. 15 because his father Mario wore the same number at FSU before starting at CB for the Cowboys from 2001-'03. Started 28 of 36 games, finishing with 89 tackles (23 for loss) and 8 sacks. "Best thing he does is go up the field," a third scout said. "Once people put their hands on him he just stops and watches. Just kind of coasts and disappears." From Gautier, Miss.

3. OWA ODIGHIZUWA, UCLA (6-3 ½, 264, 4.59, 1-2):Compared by two scouts to Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. "He'll be a 4-3 DE," one scout said. "Very fascinating player. Parents are first-generation immigrants (from Nigeria). Kid's got instincts and agility and strong hands. Question is, how much bigger is he going to get?" One-year starter at 5-technique after sitting out 2013 following two hip labrum surgeries. Finished with 128 tackles (24½ for loss) and 12 ½ sacks. "He's a tweener," another scout said. "Only chance he can play in our (3-4) scheme is an outside backer. He can set the edge. He's a physical player. He's a little stiff. Doesn't have great instincts but he has great speed." Just 6% body fat. Best vertical jump (39 inches) among linemen. Enormous hands (11 inches). "Little bit of a mechanical player," a third scout said. From Portland, Ore.

4. ELI HAROLD, Virginia (6-3, 247, 4.59, 2): Third-year junior. "Good athlete, not elite," one scout said. "Probably never reach double-digit (sacks) but you'll like him because he plays the run well and rushes the passer well. Just a solid, productive player." Played more down than up in 36 games (24 starts), finishing with 141 tackles (22 for loss) and 17 ½ sacks. "To me, he was disappointing," another scout said. "He had some sack production against bad teams. He's just a designated pass rusher for a 4-3 team, and he's not a special pass rusher. He does have good straight-line speed. Just an up-field speed guy." From Virginia Beach, Va.

5. PRESTON SMITH, Mississippi State (6-5, 272, 4.73, 2-3): Two-year starter. "He's got a big upside," one scout said. "He can play left end on run downs and then rush inside. Good chance he goes top 45." Finished with 134 tackles (27 for loss) and 16 sacks. "He's long and lanky with the bone structure for 290," another scout said. "Better player than athlete. He doesn't play with much twitch, but he's a strong guy against the run. He's not really a true 5-technique. It wouldn't shock me if someone took him in the second because they fell in love with him as a player and type of kid he is." "Fluid, high-cut athlete who wins with length (34-inch arms)," a third scout said. "Doesn't have the initial suddenness driving off the ball." From Stone Mountain, Ga.

6. ZA'DARIUS SMITH, Kentucky (6-4 ½, 272, 4.78, 2-3): Compared by one scout to Bears OLB Pernell McPhee. "That's the toughest guy maybe at D-end in the whole draft," one scout said. "Left end only. Also can play 5-technique. He may go second round." Former junior-college player who finished with 120 tackles (14 for loss) and 10 ½ sacks. "He's strong enough to anchor as a 5-technique and he has some rush ability," one scout said. "Had a good year, got excited about football. He was going to come out a year ago." From Greenville, Ala.

7. DANIELLE HUNTER, Louisiana State (6-5, 251, 4.56, 3): Third-year junior was told by the NFL Advisory Committee to stay in school but declared anyway. "Overrated," one scout said. "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. No instinct." Started 23 of 38 games at DE, finishing with 142 tackles (21 for loss) and 4½ sacks. "There's not a lot of production as a rusher, which obviously you'd like," another scout said. "But the stuff he does is rare. He gets his hands on balls and runs running backs down from behind. At times he is (tough). God doesn't give everything to everybody. He's a better athlete than (Barkevious) Mingo, but I can see the comparison." Long arms (34 ¼), jumps of 36 1/2 (vertical) and position-best 10-10 (broad jump). "I'm probably stronger than he is," a third scout said. "If Mingo's having problems (in Cleveland)...he's not even close to Mingo. He just is not physical. I don't know what you're going to do with him." From Katy, Texas.

8. HENRY ANDERSON, Stanford (6-6, 292, 4.99, 3): Three-year starter from Atlanta. "More of a base end but he does have some pass-rush ability," one scout said. "Five-technique is his base and he moved inside on passing downs. Quick into gaps. Sheds OK. He's quick but not explosive, and he runs upright with some hip tightness." Finished with 138 tackles (32 for loss) and 17 sacks. "He's unappreciated," said another scout. "Really good player." Wonderlic of 36.

9. MARKUS GOLDEN, Missouri (6-2 ½, 258, 4.80, 3-4): Former junior-college player. Rotated behind Michael Sam in 2013 before notching 10 of his 16 ½ sacks in '14. "He's built like Jason Worilds," said one scout. "He doesn't run like Worilds did. I really like him but there is some learning he has to do. It's not because he can't learn. It's how they played him. They reduced him, put him in a four-point stance and he got covered up inside. He's basically a rusher. There's potential there." Hard-charger worked out poorly. Finished with 143 tackles (33 for loss). "He does lack length (31 1/8 arms) but he freaking plays so hard," a second scout said. "Like him. Extremely high effort. Hard-nosed." From St. Louis.

10. DARIUS PHILON, Arkansas (6-1½, 298, 4.92, 4):Renounced final two seasons to enter draft as third-year sophomore. "He has some pass-rush ability," one scout said. "He has talent. Just so inconsistent." Started for 1 ½ seasons, finishing with 93 tackles (20 ½ for loss) and 7½ sacks. Might be too short for 5-technique and too small for nose tackle. Medical reject by one team for unspecified injury. "He was beefed up at the combine (298), but he always played around 280," another scout said. "He's not a fit in a 3-4. He's a 4-3 3-technique. He'll fit more of a Dallas Cowboys' type defense." From Mobile, Ala.

OTHERS: Marcus Hardison, Arizona State; Frank Clark, Michigan; Trey Flowers, Arkansas; Ryan Russell, Purdue; Corey Crawford, Clemson; Cedric Reed, Texas; B.J. DuBose, Louisville; Tavaris Barnes, Clemson; Anthony Chickillo, Miami; Deion Barnes, Penn State.

DEFENSIVE TACKLES1. LEONARD WILLIAMS, Southern California (6-4 ½, 303, 4.95, 1): Third-year junior from Daytona Beach, Fla. "Leonard's just the whole thing," one scout said. "He has speed, good pad level, leverage, arm extension, separation, shed, pass-rush quickness, low-block conscious, swim move. He reminds me of (Ndamukong) Suh. He's probably quicker but not as powerful. He won't be a bust." Played 5-technique for the Trojans. "The world doesn't know what he's going to be because he played that tight 3-4 position," another scout said. "He did a great job controlling blockers and playing gap to gap. He likes to play it, but he's a legitimate guy who will find out how much better he can be as a 3-technique." Started 35 of 39 games, finishing with 218 tackles (36 ½ for loss) and 21 sacks. "He has so much ability it's almost scary," a third scout said. Wonderlic of 22. Tied Carl Davis for longest arms (34 5/8) among top DTs. "He's not a gigantic guy," a fourth scout said. "He's not Suh. But he's athletic and moves good."

2. DANNY SHELTON, Washington (6-2, 338, 5.61, 1):Three-year starter led leading DTs on bench press with 34 reps. "You watch him roll through things and get people off his feet and run to the sideline," one scout said. "I never, ever would have thought that (5.61) would be his 40. He's one of those old San Diego Charger defensive tackles like Louie Kelcher (1975-'83) that just stands in there and mauls you." Gregarious personality from Auburn, Wash. "I wanted to just hate him because of his measurables," another scout said. "His shuttle times and all that were just awful. But I couldn't believe how good he plays. Fundamental football player. He strikes with his hands and controls blockers, not in his territory but in their territory. He's not going to be leaping on piles 25 yards downfield but from tackle to tackle he dominates." Started 40 of 52 games, finishing with 203 tackles (24 for loss) and 11 ½ sacks. Wonderlic of 23. "If he doesn't maintain his weight, he could be a bust," a third scout said. "If he does, he's got a chance to be like a Vince Wilfork guy."

3. EDDIE GOLDMAN, Florida State (6-4, 336, 5.28. 1): Third-year junior. "Peaks and valleys player," one scout said. "When he wanted to he could take it over. Other times he wasn't (a factor). He has the movement, the strength. He can two-gap and control inside. Would have liked to see it in longer stretches." Started 27 of 37 games, finishing with 62 tackles (12 for loss) and 6 sacks. "Overrated," another scout said. "Average athlete. Not a great pass rusher. Plays high. He can do that (eat up blocks). (B.J.) Raji's better than Goldman." Played LE in 2013, DT in '14. "People are going to like him because of his size," a third scout said. "He doesn't make any plays. He's never going to be a pass rusher. Not a real instinctive guy. He'll get blocked by the same blocking scheme three or four times in a row and not react to it." From Washington, D.C.

4. MALCOM BROWN, Texas (6-2 ½, 321, 5.07, 1): Third-year junior. "Tough, smart (Wonderlic of 19), strong (26 bench-press reps)," one scout said. "Play the 1-technique, play the 3-technique. He's got great character. He's not going to be all-world but he's going to be a good contributor." Started 26 of 39 games, finishing with 165 tackles (29 for loss) and 8 ½ sacks. "He's got excellent athletic ability," another scout said. "He's quick, got some strength. He's disruptive. He penetrates." Married with two daughters. "At times he plays hard," a third scout said. "Then he floats around at times. He's not a great technician as a rusher but still ended up with 6 ½ sacks (in '14). He's got some rush ability inside. Just needs to be more consistent." From Brenham, Texas.

5. JORDAN PHILLIPS, Oklahoma (6-5 ½, 328, 5.18, 1-2): Fourth-year junior from Towanda, Kan. "He has the most upside of everybody in the group, but he just doesn't play hard all the time," one scout said. "He's just really a nice kid. He has that understated, soft-spoken demeanor. He doesn't come across as an (expletive)-kicker type guy, and you wish you'd see more of that. Extremely light on his feet. He's a 330-pound guy who can do a front flip backward." Played just four games in 2013 before undergoing back surgery for a disc problem. The back limited his lifting (squats, power cleans) and is viewed cautiously by some teams. "You talk about him in the first or second round," another scout said. "Are you kidding me? What has he done? One-fourth of his tackles were made in a bowl game against Clemson and they got beat, 45-0 (actually 40-6). He's more physically impressive than those other top guys, but he doesn't play like them. Stands straight up. Near the end of the year they started taking him out in passing situations because he wasn't getting any penetration." Played extensively as a 5-technique. Started 17 of 28 games, finishing with 58 tackles (9 for loss) and 3½ sacks. "He doesn't have the tape, he's 30% body fat, and I don't know if he loves football," a third scout said.

6. CARL DAVIS, Iowa (6-4 ½, 320, 5.08, 1-2): "He's probably the most talented, even with Leonard Williams," one scout said. "You get about one play out of every 10 with that guy. He's lazy. He has the chance of being an all-pro and the best chance of being a bust." Two-year starter with 92 tackles (14 ½ for loss) and 3 ½ sacks. "If Carl had (Louis) Trinca-Pasat's intensity level he'd go in the first round," another scout said, referring to Iowa's other DT. "He doesn't. He plays like he is, a nice guy. His character is impeccable. He scares the hell out of me." Went to the Senior Bowl and tore it up, enhancing his draft prospects. "He could be somebody like (Haloti) Ngata," a third scout said. "Dominated the Senior Bowl. Very good explosion, very good strength." From Livonia, Mich. "You talk about an underachiever," a fourth scout said. "Damn good kid. Doesn't love football. Doesn't grind in the weight room. Doesn't know what it takes. Got a basketball mentality." Long arms (34 5/8), huge hands (11).

7. XAVIER COOPER, Washington State (6-3, 293, 4.85, 2-3): Fourth-year junior from Tacoma, Wash. "Quick 3-technique dude," one scout said. "Very athletic. Gets on the edges with his feet and lateral quickness. He can get off on the snap and create havoc. The whole thing will be, does he have enough arm length (31 ½) to separate himself from the bigger blockers? He can be stout." Started 34 of 36 games, finishing with 121 tackles (31 ½ for loss) and 13 sacks. "Kind of a jack of all trades, master of none," another scout said. "Had a really good pro day. Needs to win with quickness. Needs to get stronger."

8. MICHAEL BENNETT, Ohio State (6-2, 295, 5.03, 2-3): Finished with 111 tackles (31 ½ for loss) and 18 sacks in 49 games (29 starts). "Athletic 3-technique," one scout said. "He'll be a starter eventually. The Lovie Smith-Rod Marinelli defenses will love him." Posted a remarkable Wonderlic score of 43 after notching 30 in his first attempt a year ago. "You've got to be careful with some of these short, undersized guys," another scout said. "Then they try to gain weight and it screws them all up." Improved down the stretch in '14 after a sluggish start. "Not sure if he's quick enough for a smaller guy to win on a consistent basis," a third scout said. "He's not as talented as Jurrell Casey. He's not even close to Aaron Donald." From Centerville, Ohio.

9. GRADY JARRETT, Clemson (6-0 ½, 301, 5.08, 3-4): Son of former Falcons MLB Jessie Tuggle, a five-time Pro Bowl player. "He is an exceptional run defender," one scout said. "Really, really quick. He got a couple cleanup sacks, but he can't rush the passer. You've got a two-down player. There's no question he's a good college football player. I have trouble getting excited about guys that can't rush the passer." Smart (Wonderlic of 31), athletic and productive. Finished with 137 tackles (29 ½ for loss) and 5½ sacks in 48 games (37 starts). "He's a runaround guy but he plays hard," a third scout said. "He's a little undersized but they don't have to play every down like they do in college. You're playing 30 plays a game, not 75 like in college." From Conyers, Ga.

10. LEON ORR, Florida (6-5, 320, 5.14, 4-5): Got into a spat with Gators coach Will Muschamp about playing time before Nov. 8 game at Vanderbilt and was sent home from Nashville on a Greyhound bus after leaving team. "Wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole," one scout said. Had a checkered past even before that during five years in Gainesville. Started 10 of 39 games, finishing with 65 tackles (13 for loss) and 4 ½ sacks. "He made a mistake, an emotional mistake, but it can be overcome," said another scout. "I do think he's a good kid, which is why he was allowed to work back at pro day. He's got a lot of talent. He has to work on being more of a brute." From New Port Richey, Fla.

OTHERS: Angelo Blackson, Auburn; Christian Covington, Rice; Deon Simon, Northwestern State (La.); Derrick Lott, Tennessee-Chattanooga; Ellis McCarthy, UCLA; Joey Mbu, Houston; Rakeem Nunez-Roches, Southern Mississippi; Xavier Williams, Northern Iowa; L.T. Walton, Central Michigan; Gabe Wright, Auburn; Louis Trinca-Pasat, Iowa.

 

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