Sabertooth
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Only 5 teams have allowed more points than the Packers. Hard to believe that some people thought this defense was legit.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Even when his play slipped he could have played circles around the garbage they've brought in since.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Most the people Jordan ever played with thought he was a tool also. Grow up and act like a pro, who cares if your QB isn't your friend, it's not what he gets paid for. I don't think Rodgers is playing at the level we got used to, but he's still top 5 easily. when teams win QBS get too much credit but when they lose they take too much blame also. Rodgers wasn't out there giving up 400 Yards and 3 long scores.Sabertooth said:
Pipes
Footballguy
I hated the Datone pick as well. Reminded too much like Nick Perry, who's playing pretty good right now. I'd love to see the Pack get Dalvin Cook...this team could really use a weapon out of the backfield, amongst other things.
Pipes
Footballguy
One thing I'm not seeing is should McCarthy be getting a pass for this roster? I realize Ted's the GM but does he really go into the season with 2 HB's and a boatload of mediocre WR's without getting any input from MM? I would assume, and maybe incorrectly, that the head coach has major input on the makeup of the roster he must coach.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
You'd think so. They seem to be on the same page. I wonder if Mike is concerned yet. He apparently thinks they can win if they focus on fundamentals. Maybe having NFL quality talent would help too.
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jurrassic
Footballguy
You're missing the point. At any point in a season the #4 and #5 guys could be forced to be the #1 and #2 guys (see: this season). That is how a draft and develop team needs to function. My point is they don't have the necessary physical skills to ever be those guys (see: this season). I'd rather have raw guys with physical skills like Shields was than Gunter who runs a 4.8 or Goodson who looks to have no understanding of football concepts and lacks the physicality.
Psst. They have been playing Hyde at slot all season. Being a marked improvement over Barclay is not a glowing endorsement. That said, we are all entitled to our opinions. You can continue to think this team has Super Bowl pedigree.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah I would watch a video of them making the roster decisions on these alleged "corners" back in August.
McCarthy's like "Dom, quit smoking in my truck or I'm gonna keep Gunter."
Capers is all like "GTFO, Mike. <lights up another one>"
Ted (staring out the window from the backseat) "...."
Mark Murphy thinks to himself "I'm not even the best Mark Murphy this team has ever had."
McCarthy's like "Dom, quit smoking in my truck or I'm gonna keep Gunter."
Capers is all like "GTFO, Mike. <lights up another one>"
Ted (staring out the window from the backseat) "...."
Mark Murphy thinks to himself "I'm not even the best Mark Murphy this team has ever had."
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Watching Oakland and I am left wondering how they can build a team from scratch in 3 or 4 years while the Packers consistently slide backwards from super bowl champ to whatever it is on the field this year.
Oakland made great use of free agents to supplement their excellent drafts. Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper and David Carr are on their rookie deals still. That's huge. But the rest of their defense is constructed of free agents at Corner, safety, and line.
Oakland made great use of free agents to supplement their excellent drafts. Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper and David Carr are on their rookie deals still. That's huge. But the rest of their defense is constructed of free agents at Corner, safety, and line.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Putting the cart before the horse, but I fully expect us to lose to Philly this week. Thoughts on if we can beat Houston at home? Osweiler is the worst starting QB in the league this year, which is saying a lot. They kept up with Oakland, which I think is a great great team this year.
Houston will be a must win, and then after that if we win out we are probably division winners. After watching them Sunday night I'm not sure they can beat anyone... but Houston at home?? I think that could be a make or break point of the season for us.
Houston will be a must win, and then after that if we win out we are probably division winners. After watching them Sunday night I'm not sure they can beat anyone... but Houston at home?? I think that could be a make or break point of the season for us.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah let's just see if we can win a game. You have some pretty bad offenses coming up. We should match up well against Philly and Houston. Of course our defense is abysmal so anything can happen.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Well, part of it is they picked at the top half of the draft four straight years. 12, 5, 4, and 14. Your odds of an impact player go up pretty dramatically there vs. mid twenties. Mack and Cooper were two of those picks, both in the top 5.
That said, I do like how the Raiders have supplemented with free agency. I'd like to see more of that in Green Bay for sure.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The two best players Ted Thompson has ever picked were in the bottom half of first round. There's plenty of talent in the late first. Ted just isn't identifying them and/or picking them. And he needs to be absolutely fantastic at the draft if he isn't going to fortify through free agency.
Also read a great post on Reddit this morning in regards to Capers D. Apparently Dom has never had a D in the top half of the league after he's been in a city for more than two seasons. Meaning he starts great, but teams figure him out and he's totally predictable at that point. Another point was that his defense is complex and this works against the Packers "we want to be the youngest team in the league" strategy for player acquisition. If you want to start youngsters, you have to keep it simple. They are trying to play chess with checker pieces.
Just a total mess. I hope they totally clean house from Ted right on down the line. Team is stale. Has been since the Seahawks debacle.
Honest question...if this team lost Aaron Rodgers for the season, could they win another game? Are they Cleveland + Rodgers? I tend to think so. Maybe they beat Chicago but that's it.
Also read a great post on Reddit this morning in regards to Capers D. Apparently Dom has never had a D in the top half of the league after he's been in a city for more than two seasons. Meaning he starts great, but teams figure him out and he's totally predictable at that point. Another point was that his defense is complex and this works against the Packers "we want to be the youngest team in the league" strategy for player acquisition. If you want to start youngsters, you have to keep it simple. They are trying to play chess with checker pieces.
Just a total mess. I hope they totally clean house from Ted right on down the line. Team is stale. Has been since the Seahawks debacle.
Honest question...if this team lost Aaron Rodgers for the season, could they win another game? Are they Cleveland + Rodgers? I tend to think so. Maybe they beat Chicago but that's it.
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Interseptopus
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Here's what I think needs to happen this offseason:
1. Thompson needs to "retire." He's had a nice run, but Murphy needs to move on. They have his replacement waiting in the wings (see #2). At this point Thompson has taken this team to a certain point and this season has especially showed the Achilles heel of building through the draft is lack of impactful depth; when your starters go down and you get to the 3, 4, 5 guy on the depth chart and they're year 0-1 guys who don't really have a clue. I see benefits of staying young and developing through the draft but the absolute refusal to add any impactful FA to push this team over the top is concerning.
2. Hire Eliot Wolf as GM. He would be an amazing change of pace. The bar will be set high given his father's legacy, but I think that's a good thing. I think it's time to move on from the draft and develop and go more with draft/develop with some supplementation of free agents. He has been groomed for this for the last several years, time to go for it.
3. Fire McCarthy. His schtick is just old at this point. His team lacks any identity. The team has just given up under him. As mentioned earlier in this thread, he is doing the same predictable stuff he has the last several years and never seems to change it. Some of it's not his fault (injuries), but a lot of it is.
4. Hire Josh McDaniels as HC. He had a rough run in his last head coaching job mostly, IMO, because of the Tebow disaster and feeling the pressure to play him. He obviously knows what he's doing and given the talent on the Packers I think he could really do well. A young GM with a young coach would provide a huge boost to this team that is just lacking any kind of identity.
Just my 0.02
1. Thompson needs to "retire." He's had a nice run, but Murphy needs to move on. They have his replacement waiting in the wings (see #2). At this point Thompson has taken this team to a certain point and this season has especially showed the Achilles heel of building through the draft is lack of impactful depth; when your starters go down and you get to the 3, 4, 5 guy on the depth chart and they're year 0-1 guys who don't really have a clue. I see benefits of staying young and developing through the draft but the absolute refusal to add any impactful FA to push this team over the top is concerning.
2. Hire Eliot Wolf as GM. He would be an amazing change of pace. The bar will be set high given his father's legacy, but I think that's a good thing. I think it's time to move on from the draft and develop and go more with draft/develop with some supplementation of free agents. He has been groomed for this for the last several years, time to go for it.
3. Fire McCarthy. His schtick is just old at this point. His team lacks any identity. The team has just given up under him. As mentioned earlier in this thread, he is doing the same predictable stuff he has the last several years and never seems to change it. Some of it's not his fault (injuries), but a lot of it is.
4. Hire Josh McDaniels as HC. He had a rough run in his last head coaching job mostly, IMO, because of the Tebow disaster and feeling the pressure to play him. He obviously knows what he's doing and given the talent on the Packers I think he could really do well. A young GM with a young coach would provide a huge boost to this team that is just lacking any kind of identity.
Just my 0.02
Pipes
Footballguy
I would absolutely love this though I'm guessing 1 & 2 will be the likely scenario along with Capers hitting the road.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Interesting on Capers Can you post a link? I do agree with the complexity. That's been brought up many times by the Packers beat writers. Hard for rookies to come in and learn it, which backfires when you keep pushing young players into key roles early.Sabertooth said:
I'm not opposed to moving on from Capers.
There is also some truth to the stale comment. I have to believe though, that Thompson and McCarthy have earned at least one more season in Murphy's eyes, not matter how this plays out.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Three sub par seasons in a row, and Murphy is going to be looking for a job as well.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Agreed.
I think Ted is gone and Capers is fired.. Wolf is hired. McCarthy is given the "vote of confidence and extension (just like Sherman)" Then he coaches next year and then is canned. At that point I think we see a true search for a coach. I have no preference on that. I basically see this as history repeating itself in terms of Mike Sherman. Sherman was stripped of the GM job and fired the next season from the coaching job if I recall. I want to say he was getting paid a ton of money by the Packers to coach TAMU.
It isn't going to be a mass firing. Packers are too classy for that. It should be though. Might as well give Aaron one more shot. It's harder to replace Rodgers than it is to replace anyone else in the organization.
Josh the FunkDOC
Footballguy
this recent Rodgers stuff is making me think of that poster GordonGekko - maybe their claims of being a NFL insider were true after all?!? they would drop cryptic hints re: his character...
probably not, but it's fun to imagine a front office guy talking about the Walking Dead or w/e in the FFA!
probably not, but it's fun to imagine a front office guy talking about the Walking Dead or w/e in the FFA!
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I see that as a possibility as well, just because McCarthy's last year on his contract is next year. But, you have an MVP caliber QB (who hopefully hasn't lost it; is it the play calling and the poor play around him or is it him), so why waste another season with McCarthy if you know you are probably going to move in a different direction.
If you clean the slate and start fresh with new coaching and GM, you can have this team looking at a superbowl in 1-2 seasons. Honestly. I would see next year as a down year given a new coach and a new scheme, but these guys are professionals, it's what they do. You hire a new coach in January and you're looking at 8 months of learning new playbooks etc. That's not impossible. Heck, what else are they doing for those 8 months besides working out?
Why waste another one of Rodgers' prime years (yes, debateable if he's past), when you still have a chance at a "dynasty" of some kind with Rodgers in his early to mid 30s? Brady's still doing it at 39(!!!!!). There's no reason this franchise can't have 5 continuous years of success and growth... well, maybe two reasons and those are the two changes I would make as I've posted above.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree 100%. I just don't see it going down like that. I wish they'd just broom them all. They won't. Hell after 4 crappy seasons they still have Capers. He alone has probably cost them 2-3 playoff wins and a Super Bowl. But yet he remains.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Wow. This thread really died. I guess we just play out the string at this point. Are we hoping for losses yet?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Nah, it seems like those make you post more than wins. 
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Lol. Pretty much.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
This team is about to go on a nice winning streak. They play pretty well in December
coachbobbyfinstock
Footballguy
i dont know, 4 of next 5 are against teams with pretty stiff Defenses.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Houston is about middle of the road. Rushing D is not as good as their passing D.
Seattle is in the bottom 10 in passing yards per game, so they are not as good as they once were. Their saving grace is that they allow the fewest points per game this season, but IMO that's largely due to their terrible division (LA scored 9, SF 13, AZ 6).
Chicago is not good
Minnesota is a good defense, yes
Detroit has the 4th worst passing D in terms of TDs allowed. Worse than the Packers and their backups to the backups starting
Considering the best defenses they face are Houston, Seattle, and Minnesota are all at home- I'd say that matters big time. Chicago and Detroit on the road I'm not entirely worried about TBH
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Last year they were decimated by injuries at WR. So they went in with more WRs than they needed and not enough HBs. Now watch next year as we keep 4 HBs and go with less of something else and get bit in the ### there.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
The Bears just lost Trevathan too, ouch. More free agent money well-spent.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Not sure if serious, but its hard to imagine ever wanting the team to lose a game. Even back in the day when Lindy's team won the final two games to lose the top pick to the Cowboys, I don't know anyone who didn't in their hearts want the Packers to win those games. After all, weren't we all excited to see Tony on that Sports Illustrated cover? Who wanted Aikman anyway?
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I'll be watching with interest tonight. I'm not optimistic, especially with all of the injuries and O line shuffling. Biggest thing is the O needs to start better than last week.
Win or lose, I'm curious how the desire will be. Will we see this team fight? Or, has McCarthy lost them?
Win or lose, I'm curious how the desire will be. Will we see this team fight? Or, has McCarthy lost them?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Doubtful...his job is more the off the field stuff. And like Harlan before him, he has done well keeping them relevant in terms of revenue.
sho nuff
Footballguy
As bad as the D has been, the offense going three and out so often and so early has not helped.
on TT and MM, not sure I see them both gone at the same time...maybe one stays for the transition (MM gone and TT stays for a year before stepping aside...Wolf with input into head coach hire)
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
It's weird that it seems like they JUST NOW realized the defense is so bad that they need to attack aggressively every time they have the ball.
And that's why they can't win a game. Get a big sack on first down and have em at 2nd and 24 at the 8, then proceed to give up the first down and now the eagles are driving and will probably get some points right before half instead of stopping them and getting the ball back with a minute or so left in the half for them to try and get into FG range to increase the lead
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Two huge plays against HWY23 while Philly was backed up deep. He is just not a good player at this point. Made Wentz look like Vick.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Defense gets first forced turnover since week 3 of 2015 it seems.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Love the missed tackle by Randall (vs Smallwood).
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I thought the DBs and the defense in general looked much better tonight than they have the past couple of games. What or who was the difference tonight? Did they get somebody back from injury that was a difference maker?
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sho nuff
Footballguy
McCarthys best game of the year?
Ball control offense, keep the D off the field.
Adams looks so much better this year over last year.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
yes
yes
oh my goodness yes. adams was James Jones to me during James Jones first 3 years with the pack. Adams finally put the stick em on his hands. love it
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Wasn't Randall back or no? I heard he might be back. didn't watch the whole game and when I did, thankfully, GB had the ball most of the time.
they looked better but still not great. I feel better about Houston next week but worried about Hopkins mismatching against anyone we can throw at him
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Starks really seems to be picking some bad lines this year. His field vision seems nonexistent.
Spriggs is getting some solid experience.
Rodgers was smiling before the game. I have not seen that in quite a while.
We need our L.B.'s back.
Crosby's ball really moving around tonight.
Spriggs is getting some solid experience.
Rodgers was smiling before the game. I have not seen that in quite a while.
We need our L.B.'s back.
Crosby's ball really moving around tonight.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I am developing a man crush on Ripkowski.
