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Phenomena said:
Alex P Keaton said:
werdnoynek said:
Matthews at ILB?
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Hope so. I actually think that is the right call. Our run defense looked transformed with him at ILB last year
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You don't pay ILBs $13M/year. He's not going to play ILB. It's not going to happen. The risk of injury is way higher and you're wasting one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

I'm just shocked they didn't take Dawson in the 3rd. He was there. Anthony went two spots later in the first as well.

In Ted we trust.... we'll see what happens.
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I think Matthews definitely plays ILB, but on passing downs, he will line up all over. I like Sam Barrington too, but they need depth badly. Carl Bradford cannot be counted on right now.

 
Phenomena said:
Alex P Keaton said:
werdnoynek said:
Matthews at ILB?
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Hope so. I actually think that is the right call. Our run defense looked transformed with him at ILB last year
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You don't pay ILBs $13M/year. He's not going to play ILB. It's not going to happen. The risk of injury is way higher and you're wasting one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

I'm just shocked they didn't take Dawson in the 3rd. He was there. Anthony went two spots later in the first as well.

In Ted we trust.... we'll see what happens.
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Clay will almost certainly spend some time at ILB this year. Not full time, but a meaningful portion.Dawson has issues, and TT values brains and character.

 
And I might be in minority, but I like this draft so far. Montgomery instantly improves the team on kickoff returns, where Green Bay ranked dead last in the NFL. There won't be any pressure on him at wr this year, as I think Janis nabs the 4 spot. He can sit and learn from a great group of receivers and he gets to catch passes from Rodgers. Just a great pick at that spot.

We got a versatile defensive back that can cover the slot, and took a chance on an extremely athletic cornerback whose best football is ahead of him. I don't think he sees much time this year as he continuances to learn the nuances of the position, but will step in to a significant role in 2016 when a couple of secondary contributors leave.

So in short, we vastly improved a huge part of the team (returns), and added depth and versatility to a depleted secondary.

 
One thing that does concern me is NT. Packers need a wide body that holds the point of attack, I have been vocal about how horrible BJ Raji was before his injury last year, though resigning him was a huge mistake. For a big guy, he loves to use a swim move to take himself completely out of a play and open a huge hole for opposing running backs,

Would like to see them look at a Thumping 2 down ILB (wouldn't mind a guy who might need a little time), and a 2 down run stuffing NT.

 
Like others here I worry when I do not see positions of apparent need immediately addressed. I worry that Thompson might become a victim of his own reputation when he finds obscure, small conference, or Div II players. In this draft I worry because I cannot recall the team drafting so few total pounds and inches of players with their first three picks. ( think it might be a fun exercise to try to determine the last time their first three picks yielded so little total height and total weight).

In the end, though, we fans often put far too much weight on the opinions of non-pros in evaluation. Yes, they spend their lives on do that evaluation, but if they were really any good they would be employed by teams, or still employed by teams. To pretend even that former GM's now operating without the benefit of their scouting departments, coaches, and full time effort have a valid or informed opinion seems, in the end, the height of hubris.

The Packers have a better than average track record while suffering the decades long trend of drafting very late, yet they have one of the best, and youngest teams out there with, also, a healthy salary cap. I try to trust this regime, even when I find some of their moves, or non-moves, total "head-scratchers".

 
Montgomery will easily beat out Janis and Abby. I know abby is a home state fave but I think his only chance to keep his name on the roster is by being on the pup or ir. And yes, a solid #4 wr is a good thing to have.

 
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Wilde said the Packers played 5 or 6 DBs on 75% of the plays in 2014. Reality is you need a lot more DBs than LBs in todays NFL. That 2 down thumper is nice to have, but he's likely only going to be out there a small fraction of what your 5th DB is.

They've now got

1. Shields

2. Clinton Dix

3. Hayward

4. Burnett

5. Hyde

6. Randall

7. Rollins

8. Richardson

9. Goodson

10. Banjo

11. Bush

Its very clear that TT values secondary players much more than ILBs.

 
I truly hope Montgomery is never on the field as a receiver, he can't catch the football. He fights the ball on almost every pass, my gut feeling is Janis will be #4 and then it will be a battle for number the 5 spot. Obviously being a third rounder Montgomery is going to have a big advantage over the other options. Maybe this is the year we keep 6. I just know not many players ever over come dropping passes, they either have good hands or they don't.

 
Good news for Hundley is he has 4 years to become a NFL QB.

My feeling all along has been that he's at worst a career backup.

 
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Good news for Hundley is he has 4 years to become a NFL QB.

My feeling all along has been that he's at worst a career backup.
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He's shown potential and is most definitely a project. This is probably one of the best situations he could have asked for. I like the pick.

 
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Can we please stop with the Thompson doesn't draft for need nonsense. I like Thompson and this isn't a bash on him but he most certainly drafts for need. The year he took Raji and Clay they needed a big interior lineman and OLB to transition to the 3/4. The year they took Nick Perry OLB was their biggest need. The year they Datone Jones DL and RB were their biggest needs and they scoop up Lacy (great value) in the 2nd. Safety last year and they took Ha Ha. This year they lose Williams, House and with Hayward a potential free agent after the season DB was a huge need and Thompson used the1st 2 picks to address that. Yes LB is a huge need as well but none of those guys had 1st round grades and were gone by the 2nd...that's Thompson staying true to his board.

Nothing wrong with this philosophy especially if you don't reach...and Thompson doesn't. I'm just saying if 2 people are extremely close on his board he'll draft for need and not always take the best guys on his board. Too much of a coincidence that almost every year the highest guy on their board happens to be at a Huge position of need. I guess scooping up Rodgers way back when goes a long way to building a reputation.
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I don't think he drafts for immediate need.

Raji was quite highly rated...that he also fit a need may be secondary to him being taken there.

Sure...he moved up to draft Clay as he saw the value of an athlete at a need position. I think there is a big difference between trading up to get a guy and "drafting for need".

Even with Lacy...possible 1st round talent that feel to deep in the 2nd round.

Yes...needs play a small part...but I believe him when he says they just look for good football players and will take BPA over need nearly every time.

Jordy wasn't a need when he was drafted...Rodgers wasn't really either.

Hundley again today.

 
Finally, drafting for need instead of BPA. I know many here have been extremely worried about our lack of a backup fullback and where our next long snapper will come from.

Actually I'm just joking. Thompsons drafts always leave me wanting immediately after, but in the end they work out just fine. I would have loved to have seen his Draft Board, though. I kept wondering if he got sniped hoping for a T.E. or an ILB to fall just another spot or three. It seemed to me that perhaps he did.

 
werdnoynek said:
Kuhn is 30 something on a 1 year contract... Seems like a smart move to me.
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I was joking...at this point...its all long shots and yeah, guy could be Kuhn's replacement.

And with DW...often times, you just don't come out of a draft by TT and think...man, we nailed that.

 
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I'll throw some darts out there on the Packers 2015 draft:

Best Pick: Brett Hundley in the 5th - I'm not even a big fan of his but he has all the tools to mold. Landing with a staff that knows offense and the time to develop those skills is huge for him long-term. If he was ever going to be good, he absolutely needed to land in this type of situation IMO, now it's on him. The pick doesn't offer Green Bay anything in the immediate future but the importance of the position dictates taking talent when it drops that far. Honorable mention to Quentin Rollins at the end of the 2nd. He may not be awesome early on but I'd be shocked if he doesn't quickly develop into a guy making plays every Sunday.

Worst Pick: Ty Montgomery in the 3rd - He'll be catching passes from Aaron Rodgers, so the kid won't be a bust. With that said, he's a talented return guy, but to me that's where his above average NFL skills end. Factor in the depth with Jordy Nelson, a resigned Randall Cobb, Devante Adams entering his second season along with Abbrederis and Janis...and it just doesn't add up. Too many solid defensive players were available at that pick to pass on for a returner. Honorable mention to spending any draft pick on a fullback, especially when Kuhn is fine for one more year at a minimum deal.

I wasn't a big fan of this draft class as a whole for Ted Thompson, but most importantly I like the athleticism and versatility the Packers added in the secondary with Damarious Randall and Quenten Rollins. Over Mike McCarthy's tenure with the organization his roster has become less plug-and-play and more development with versatility where more and more players get on the field for meaningful snaps. That's the way to go, limiting the effect the inevitable injury or two has and allows the team to always feel better down the stretch than it looks early on. Even with some bum picks and a few head scratchers in there, in a passing league to land a big-time talent at QB in the 5th and two athletic freaks in the secondary with versatility early on, I'm cool with this year's draft.

 
Seems like big gambles on Guion and Raji up the middle.

I do like that they were thinking of that secondary though...with losses in FA, it was needed.

 
Hundley was a head scratcher just because he is so bad. Hope I am wrong, and glad it's just a 5th rounder but not impressed.

Depth is very thin at ilb, but I think Matthews and Barrington is fine.

It's interior D Line that scares me. Raji is horrible. We need another space eater that actually takes on blockers.

 
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Seems like big gambles on Guion and Raji up the middle.

I do like that they were thinking of that secondary though...with losses in FA, it was needed.
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It's a passing league. Many teams operate with 5-6 regular cornerbacks. I just don't like that the first round pick was bit of a project. Any CB/safety taken in the first round has to be ready to play.

 
Phenomena said:
sho nuff said:
Seems like big gambles on Guion and Raji up the middle.

I do like that they were thinking of that secondary though...with losses in FA, it was needed.
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It's a passing league. Many teams operate with 5-6 regular cornerbacks. I just don't like that the first round pick was bit of a project. Any CB/safety taken in the first round has to be ready to play.
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I don't feel he is a project. Collins, the 2nd rounder, is a project.

 
Balco said:
Phenomena said:
sho nuff said:
Seems like big gambles on Guion and Raji up the middle.

I do like that they were thinking of that secondary though...with losses in FA, it was needed.
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It's a passing league. Many teams operate with 5-6 regular cornerbacks. I just don't like that the first round pick was bit of a project. Any CB/safety taken in the first round has to be ready to play.
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I don't feel he is a project. Collins, the 2nd rounder, is a project.
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Agree 100%. Our 1st round pick seems ready to play from day one. Then again, we could have said that about Datone Jones once upon a time.
 
You know what going to happen this year? The Packers are going to score tons of points. They are going to win 11-13 games and get in the playoffs. They could have had zero draft picks and that would still be the case because they are loaded. They were this close to winning everything and lost nobody really.

:towelwave:

 
beef said:
Montgomery will easily beat out Janis and Abby. I know abby is a home state fave but I think his only chance to keep his name on the roster is by being on the pup or ir. And yes, a solid #4 wr is a good thing to have.
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Not so sure, see him as a catch it close to the LOS guy and see what he can do, much like what they wanted of James Jones early.

That and maybe returning.

 
USA Today Sports Weekly GB team report notes Matthews could play OLB and ILB, but finds more signs pointing towards him playing predominantly on the inside. They let Hawk go and waited until the fourth round to reload at the position. The scary thing is, even with his great success at ILB in the second half of the season (see below), he was winging it and learning on the fly, so to speak, and could have room for improvement as he becomes more technically advanced at the nuances of his new position. He also pointed out, he could still rush the QB 100% of the time on passing downs within the scheme, just do it from the inside (and he might be more effective from there).

First eight games when he played OLB (2.5 sacks, six games sackless):

Dead last #32 rush defense - 153.5 rushing yards per game

Last eight games when he played ILB (8.5 sacks, two games sackless):

Cut nearly in half on rush defense - 86.2 rushing yards per game (also a reminder in the NFC Championship Game, they held the SEA offense scoreless in the first 57 minutes, before collapsing down the stretch).

* Guessing there may have been other factors than just one player, perhaps some defensive players returned from injury, they played better collectively, etc.?

 
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Bob Magaw said:
USA Today Sports Weekly GB team report notes Matthews could play OLB and ILB, but finds more signs pointing towards him playing predominantly on the inside. They let Hawk go and waited until the fourth round to reload at the position. The scary thing is, even with his great success at ILB in the second half of the season (see below), he was winging it and learning on the fly, so to speak, and could have room for improvement as he becomes more technically advanced at the nuances of his his new position. He also pointed out, he could still rush the QB 100% of the time on passing downs within the scheme, just do it from the inside (and he might be more effective from there).

First eight games when he played OLB (2.5 sacks, six games sackless):

Dead last #32 rush defense - 153.5 rushing yards per game

Last eight games when he played ILB (8.5 sacks, two games sackless):

Cut nearly in half on rush defense - 86.2 rushing yards per game (also a reminder in the NFC Championship Game, they held the SEA offense scoreless in the first 57 minutes, before collapsing down the stretch).

* Guessing there may have been other factors than just one player, perhaps some defensive players returned from injury, they played better collectively, etc.?
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To add to Bob's comments: when the Packer defense collapsed, Clay was on the sideline most of that time. It was never clear exactly what injury he had, but he was out of the game toward the end, when Seattle rallied.
 
Favre week continues...hands ESPY to Rodgers last night...heads to GB for his enshrinement into the Packers HOF.

Lots of coverage on NFL Network all day Saturday.

Several stupid arrests/drug suspensions lately. Just freaking dumb stuff too.

Then I see that Dez signs for like $70 million total (DT too).

And read that Cobb and Nelson combined contracts are for $75 million.

And then I appreciate things that Ball and Thompson do when negotiating contracts.

 
No strong feelings on the Favre stuff after so many (very good) years have passed without him.

Among all the reminiscences over his greatest performances, that game in Oakland after his dad died always comes up. It was memorable and a great story but also one of those games where he was recklessly chucking bombs. The receivers just happened to catch everything that night.

 
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?

That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.

 
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Yeah, that guy who led the Packers to back out of NFL hell, that guy who won the Packers a Super Bowl, yeah that guy who started every game for Green Bay no matter what (see Irv's death). That Guy. The NFL is a business and #### happens. You'll probably be a whole lot happier if you can get over it but thanks for checking in.

 
Dark Matter said:
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Yeah, that guy who led the Packers to back out of NFL hell, that guy who won the Packers a Super Bowl, yeah that guy who started every game for Green Bay no matter what (see Irv's death). That Guy. The NFL is a business and #### happens. You'll probably be a whole lot happier if you can get over it but thanks for checking in.
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I think more of this credit should go to Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren. My guess is they could have won one Super Bowl with Brunnel at QB as well.

It was a great night for the Packers and Favre. Nice to see them back together. But for me Favre's legacy will always have a big * next to it. I'll always remember his exciting play but along with that will be his refusal to mentor Rodgers because he claimed it wasn't his job, his manipulating to play for the Vikings so he could stick it to the Packers and by extension, me and you as Packer fans.

 
KingPrawn said:
Dark Matter said:
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Yeah, that guy who led the Packers to back out of NFL hell, that guy who won the Packers a Super Bowl, yeah that guy who started every game for Green Bay no matter what (see Irv's death). That Guy. The NFL is a business and #### happens. You'll probably be a whole lot happier if you can get over it but thanks for checking in.
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I think more of this credit should go to Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren. My guess is they could have won one Super Bowl with Brunnel at QB as well.

It was a great night for the Packers and Favre. Nice to see them back together. But for me Favre's legacy will always have a big * next to it. I'll always remember his exciting play but along with that will be his refusal to mentor Rodgers because he claimed it wasn't his job, his manipulating to play for the Vikings so he could stick it to the Packers and by extension, me and you as Packer fans.
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Yeah should have written, "helped" lead the Packers out of hell, there were plenty of leaders in that organization but the QB of an organization gets more love/hate, just the way it is.

:lmao: at Brunell winning a Super Bowl....c'mon! I was just as pissed as any Packer fan that Favre held the organization hostage with his retire/unretire crap, I was outraged when he made it personal and went to the Vikings, I was glad TT stuck to his guns because I didn't think Favre could lead us to another championship. That was then and I won't diminish what he meant to the Packers and what he did while wearing Green and Gold on the field.

 
Dark Matter said:
KingPrawn said:
Dark Matter said:
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Yeah, that guy who led the Packers to back out of NFL hell, that guy who won the Packers a Super Bowl, yeah that guy who started every game for Green Bay no matter what (see Irv's death). That Guy. The NFL is a business and #### happens. You'll probably be a whole lot happier if you can get over it but thanks for checking in.
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I think more of this credit should go to Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren. My guess is they could have won one Super Bowl with Brunnel at QB as well.

It was a great night for the Packers and Favre. Nice to see them back together. But for me Favre's legacy will always have a big * next to it. I'll always remember his exciting play but along with that will be his refusal to mentor Rodgers because he claimed it wasn't his job, his manipulating to play for the Vikings so he could stick it to the Packers and by extension, me and you as Packer fans.
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Yeah should have written, "helped" lead the Packers out of hell, there were plenty of leaders in that organization but the QB of an organization gets more love/hate, just the way it is.

:lmao: at Brunell winning a Super Bowl....c'mon! I was just as pissed as any Packer fan that Favre held the organization hostage with his retire/unretire crap, I was outraged when he made it personal and went to the Vikings, I was glad TT stuck to his guns because I didn't think Favre could lead us to another championship. That was then and I won't diminish what he meant to the Packers and what he did while wearing Green and Gold on the field.
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How many Super Bowl rings does Favre have and how many Super Bowl rings does Brunnell have? ;-)

Perhaps you need a refresher on Mark Brunnell. Here's a little help. Brunnell made 3 pro bowls and led Jacksonville to the playoffs in 3 of their first 4 years. They won the AFC Central division with him at QB. They made it to the AFC Championship game in 1996 (losing to New England who later lost to the Packers in the Super Bowl). They returned again to the AFC Championship game in 1999. It could be easily argued that under Holmgren's coaching and his success with QBs Green Bay may have won a Super Bowl with Brunnell at QB (if not more).

 
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KingPrawn said:
Dark Matter said:
KingPrawn said:
Dark Matter said:
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Yeah, that guy who led the Packers to back out of NFL hell, that guy who won the Packers a Super Bowl, yeah that guy who started every game for Green Bay no matter what (see Irv's death). That Guy. The NFL is a business and #### happens. You'll probably be a whole lot happier if you can get over it but thanks for checking in.
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I think more of this credit should go to Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren. My guess is they could have won one Super Bowl with Brunnel at QB as well.

It was a great night for the Packers and Favre. Nice to see them back together. But for me Favre's legacy will always have a big * next to it. I'll always remember his exciting play but along with that will be his refusal to mentor Rodgers because he claimed it wasn't his job, his manipulating to play for the Vikings so he could stick it to the Packers and by extension, me and you as Packer fans.
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Yeah should have written, "helped" lead the Packers out of hell, there were plenty of leaders in that organization but the QB of an organization gets more love/hate, just the way it is. :lmao: at Brunell winning a Super Bowl....c'mon! I was just as pissed as any Packer fan that Favre held the organization hostage with his retire/unretire crap, I was outraged when he made it personal and went to the Vikings, I was glad TT stuck to his guns because I didn't think Favre could lead us to another championship. That was then and I won't diminish what he meant to the Packers and what he did while wearing Green and Gold on the field.
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How many Super Bowl rings does Favre have and how many Super Bowl rings does Brunnell have? ;-)

Perhaps you need a refresher on Mark Brunnell. Here's a little help. Brunnell made 3 pro bowls and led Jacksonville to the playoffs in 3 of their first 4 years. They won the AFC Central division with him at QB. They made it to the AFC Championship game in 1996 (losing to New England who later lost to the Packers in the Super Bowl). They returned again to the AFC Championship game in 1999. It could be easily argued that under Holmgren's coaching and his success with QBs Green Bay may have won a Super Bowl with Brunnell at QB (if not more).
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Thanks for that KP....no doubt Brunell had a solid career but if Holmgren thought him the better QB, he would have started. If my Aunt had nuts she'd be my Uncle unless her name is Caitlyn. Wait, what?

The Packer organization are doing everything just right, imo and Favre is saying all the right things. He is deserved of this honor despite how he handled his business on the way out.

 
cr8f said:
Dark Matter said:
Great Night for Favre, Great Night for Green Bay!! Thanks for the memories 4!

Deanna :wub:
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Favre, the guy that lied about to the Jets about retiring so they'd cut him so he could play for the Vikings and beat Green Bay?That guy needed to retire a Viking and have his night in Minneapolis where he wanted to be.

I was also pissed he wouldn't even show up to congratulate Peyton. No class with that guy.
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Let it go man. Great night for Favre and the Packers last night.

 
Wait...Brunell would have won a Super Bowl...and possibly another one that Favre couldn't?

:lmao:

 
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