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Janis and Adams with more drops in red zone drill tonight. Consistency is a real problem for both.

 
Story today.

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On a night when rookie free agent Geronimo Allison continued to impress with his precise routes and soft hands, third-year pro Jeff Janis was digging himself deeper into a hole. Janis has not had a good start to camp and his opportunities seem to be shrinking. It’s a rare night when he gets so open that you actually notice it and when his hands fail him as they did Wednesday night, his prospects fade even further. Maybe Janis will turn it on in the games, which was sort of the case last year, but for someone in his third season he can’t keep having so many negative plays. The worst of his efforts was on a goal-line route in which Rodgers put the ball right into his arms. But as he went to the ground, he let the ball slip through his arms, negating what should have been a short touchdown catch. Janis wasn’t the only one dropping balls – Davante Adams had a bad one over the middle in the red zone – but at least Adams has been making plays. Janis just can’t seem to win enough routes in practice and is putting immense pressure on himself to be great in the games. His special teams play will make it hard to cut him, but if he can’t contribute as a receiver, the Packers are going to have a difficult choice to make.

 
These WR issues make me cringe so hard because guess who was the pick immediately after Datone Jones a few years ago in the first round?

Freakin' DeAndre Hopkins. 

I normally don't play the "what if" and "should have drafted" game but holy bejesus... can you imagine the "Rodgers to Hopkins" connection for 7-8 of Rodgers' prime years? It'd be the Brady/Moss all over again. Damn.

 
Phenomena said:
These WR issues make me cringe so hard because guess who was the pick immediately after Datone Jones a few years ago in the first round?

Freakin' DeAndre Hopkins. 

I normally don't play the "what if" and "should have drafted" game but holy bejesus... can you imagine the "Rodgers to Hopkins" connection for 7-8 of Rodgers' prime years? It'd be the Brady/Moss all over again. Damn.
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Yeah, I doubt Ted would pick a WR in the first though it would be nice.

 
Ty Montgomery's injury was serious.


Montgomery said his surgery contained three parts: tight ropes inserted into his ligaments to hold them in place, a cartilage repair and — perhaps most serious — a microfracture procedure on his talus (a bone between the heel and fibula and tibia).

“I think there’s a stigma with a sprain,” Montgomery said. “But what I think a lot of people don’t understand is sprain means partial tear. And people forget I had the surgery in December.”

 

 
Outsiders, and even supposed experts who should know better keep touting that The Packers passing game last year was due to Jordy being gone.  True, but not even half the story.  Cobb, Montgomery, Adams, Rodgers all hurt longer and more seriously than people remember or knew.  Injuries not just at tackle, but also guard, whether they played or not.  this was a severely crippled team.  me, I can't wait to see what the fully functional battlestar is capable of.  Stay healthy Pack.  time for another trophy in the trophy case.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Outsiders, and even supposed experts who should know better keep touting that The Packers passing game last year was due to Jordy being gone.  True, but not even half the story.  Cobb, Montgomery, Adams, Rodgers all hurt longer and more seriously than people remember or knew.  Injuries not just at tackle, but also guard, whether they played or not.  this was a severely crippled team.  me, I can't wait to see what the fully functional battlestar is capable of.  Stay healthy Pack.  time for another trophy in the trophy case.
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Do you think the defense will be able to overcome D Randall?

 
Interesting point on Janis listed 3rd on Packers depth chart.

Wide Receiver

I hope there are no complaints about Jeff Janis being listed as a third-stringer right now. The depth chart lists just two receivers, but it looks like this is broken down into players who primarily play on the boundary in one category and slot players in the other.

Nelson, Adams, and Janis are the three boundary players (in that order), while Cobb, Abbrederis, and Montgomery make up the other group. Perhaps the bigger item here than any of that is the fact that rookie Trevor Davis is listed in the reserves, behind the injured Montgomery.

 
Packer night practices are over, now they'll be doing them during the heat of the day to ready for Jacksonville week one.

 
massraider said:
What's the ILB story here?  I have Barrington hanging round the end of my bench, who's starting inside?
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Barrington and Jake Ryan are listed as the starters right now.  But 4th round rookie Blake Martinez is getting a ton of press so far in camp.  He's been working with the 1st team a lot, including in the nickel and dime packages.  Speculation from beat writers is that he will start and play a lot.

 
We were all avoiding bumping the thread because we knew it would result in a catastrophic preseason injury jinx, right? Let's assume we're safely past that.

I feel like I posted about Abbrederis possibly not making the team early in the year. A lot has happened since then but now it looks like he should take over as 3rd WR ahead of Adams. I don't see fantasy value but look forward to what "Magic" can do opposite Nelson with Cobb and Cook working the middle of the field.

 
The Packers just cut one of their best lineman. I'm shocked. Sitton has played as one of the better guards in the league.  I guess they know something we don't. Maybe his back issues are a big problem.

 
was shocked also....and also shocked that they didn't at least try to trade him, or maybe they did and no takers.....will be interesting if/when we get some insight on this move

 
Thompson trying to be the smartest guy in the room,  Sitton cut, Lindsey on PUP, the line is a mess.  Now they are talking about moving 3 guys around a week before the season starts?  Add to that keeping only 3 ILB's, having no long snapper currently on the roster and keeping a total of 13 rookies.  

 
Monty Burns said:
was shocked also....and also shocked that they didn't at least try to trade him, or maybe they did and no takers.....will be interesting if/when we get some insight on this move
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Word is they did try trading him and no interest. Sitton is in the last year of his contract and couldn't get anything done. Making about 6+ million this year. Maybe that's more than they wanted to pay for a guy with a bad back.  :shrug:

 
It's pretty crummy that Sitton doesn't get to say goodbye to the fans on the field as I'm sure he would have wanted to. I did not expect him to be re-signed for 2017 anyway. It's only a surprise that he's such a late cut. Otherwise, it's easy to think back to the guy Sitton replaced--Daryn Colledge, who was not re-signed after 2010. Lang surpassed Sitton last year and will be re-signed barring injury.

I think Spriggs made them comfortable with this move. I don't think Bulaga moves inside. Lane Taylor may start at LG but the Packers always seem to have one terrible starting lineup decision for Week 1 that gets quickly corrected.

This news may have overshadowed everything else but I'm pleased that S/CB is so loaded with talent.

 
jurrassic said:
Thompson trying to be the smartest guy in the room,  Sitton cut, Lindsey on PUP, the line is a mess.  Now they are talking about moving 3 guys around a week before the season starts?  Add to that keeping only 3 ILB's, having no long snapper currently on the roster and keeping a total of 13 rookies.  
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He is smartest guy in the room. We know nothing what is going on and neither side is saying much. Sitton has had back issues and stated he lost 20 lbs prior to camp to elevate the pain. 30 year old lineman with back issues have no trade value as there was no deal with a conditional pick even. Sitton is going to mention any back issues because he wants to get another contract that pays him.

Lindsey is back after he clears PUP list and then we can move Tretter to guard if needed. Spriggs is an option to start and move Bulaga. Barclay could slide into the starting guard spot. Ted is not going to make this move for money he had cap room and he wants to win.

We have Clay who can move back inside and IMO should have stayed there. McCarthy and his average staff have once again let the player make the call instead of the coach.

 
hauser42 said:
He is smartest guy in the room. We know nothing what is going on and neither side is saying much. Sitton has had back issues and stated he lost 20 lbs prior to camp to elevate the pain. 30 year old lineman with back issues have no trade value as there was no deal with a conditional pick even. Sitton is going to mention any back issues because he wants to get another contract that pays him.

Lindsey is back after he clears PUP list and then we can move Tretter to guard if needed. Spriggs is an option to start and move Bulaga. Barclay could slide into the starting guard spot. Ted is not going to make this move for money he had cap room and he wants to win.

We have Clay who can move back inside and IMO should have stayed there. McCarthy and his average staff have once again let the player make the call instead of the coach.
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OH yeah.  Sitton so bad off that he made pro bowl 3 of last 4 years.  Poor guy is finished. 

 
jurrassic said:
Thompson trying to be the smartest guy in the room,  Sitton cut, Lindsey on PUP, the line is a mess.  Now they are talking about moving 3 guys around a week before the season starts?  Add to that keeping only 3 ILB's, having no long snapper currently on the roster and keeping a total of 13 rookies.  
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Packers suck and Ted really has outsmarted himself 

 
Good article in the paper today about the Sitton move. Cited several personnel people that it wasn't surprising. Bad back, large contract, and they saw signs of slippage in his play in the last year. I guess time will tell. But Bill Walsh always said it was better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late.

 
KingPrawn said:
Good article in the paper today about the Sitton move. Cited several personnel people that it wasn't surprising. Bad back, large contract, and they saw signs of slippage in his play in the last year. I guess time will tell. But Bill Walsh always said it was better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late.
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I don't buy this.  The Packers beat writers are the most neutered in the league and consistently defend the team instead of challenging them.  

Signs of slippage where?  He has been a 2nd team all-pro 3 straight years and was rated as a top 5 guard last year.   If that was the case they would have drafted a guard or brought one in via FA.  They now go into a Super Bowl chasing year with an undersized back-up center, a 2nd string guard who has been average, at best, during his very limited playing time and virtually non-existent depth with Barclay and 2 rookie OT who have never played guard.  Barclay has been nothing short of horrific when he has played. If this were the plan all along we have to either question Thompson's hubris or sheer lack of planning. I'm all for the "In Ted we trust" crowd, and generally defend him, but this just screams overreaction by the Packers.  They could have kept Sitton this year and let him walk.  No reason to cut him.  I'm far from sold on the "human holding machine" David Bahktiari and would rather the Packers see how he plays this year then extend him early.  I feel the same way about Tretter, who while versatile, hasn't shown himself to be great at any specific position on the line.  The strength of the Packers line in the past has been the interior, now 2 of those 3 guys aren't playing.  They definitely haven't gotten better, the question is how much worse have they gotten. Instead of getting rid of the "guy a year too early rather than a year too late" they could have got rid of him at exactly the right time, after the season.   

 
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I agree with Jurrassic, like most of the outside world saw this as a stupid move. I don't care if he does have a questionable back and makes big money, I would rather have the best QB in the league protected. Rodgers will be running for his life against anyone that can apply some pressure, which against us will be everyone. It makes no sense to cut Sitton in the last year of his contract, let him play it out and then let him walk. As far as I know we aren't even in any sort of cap room issues. This may be the case of out smarting ourselves. 

 
IheartGuinness said:
You are really making a fool of yourself. Besides, Packers fans should thank you for Peppers. Idiot.
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While he is...your predictions last year make tou look even worse than Flap's schtick 

 
The Claymaker said:
I agree with Jurrassic, like most of the outside world saw this as a stupid move. I don't care if he does have a questionable back and makes big money, I would rather have the best QB in the league protected. Rodgers will be running for his life against anyone that can apply some pressure, which against us will be everyone. It makes no sense to cut Sitton in the last year of his contract, let him play it out and then let him walk. As far as I know we aren't even in any sort of cap room issues. This may be the case of out smarting ourselves. 
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The only real reason to cut him would be to use his roughly $7 million in savings to extend guys in-season (the Packers were already $9.7 million under the cap). The problem with that, however, is most of those guys haven't proven yet that they deserve a contract extension.  Bahktiari, Tretter, Perry, Lacy, Jones.  Add to that, Peppers $10.5 million that will come off the cap after the year and most likely $6.5 from Lang, as I don't see how you offer him $7 million to play guard when your slotting rules prohibit you from paying Sitton that.   Lang is also only a year younger than Sitton.  

I want to clear.  I am not trying to be a doom and gloom season prognosticator.  I still think the Packers are one of the top 5 teams in the NFC.  I just think they have given themselves  literally no room for error on the line.  The obvious lack of depth is what bothers me more than Sitton being cut.  Taylor did not look good this pre-season but more importantly, there isn't anything behind him besides a converted UDFA OT in Barclay who has struggled mightily for the past 2 years.   

 
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flapgreen said:
OH yeah.  Sitton so bad off that he made pro bowl 3 of last 4 years.  Poor guy is finished. 
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Here we go guy is a PRO BOWLER. That award is first based on a popularity contest and then if a guy even wants to go. Each year there are more Pro Bowlers than the roster holds because so many people decide not to go and they go down the list.

Sitton has was voted second team All Pro and I give little more stock in that but still a popularity contstest.

Go watch some past games and see how he is not able to get the push needed in short yardage and times he gets a way with holding. Moving on from a guy with back back, age 30 and now rumors flying around he was not happy that Packer brass would not pay him is a good thing.

 
I'm half kidding but will interesting to see how this works out for each team.  He was still playing well but can understand Packers moving on if they have someone better to replace him. Popularity contest or not,  he wouldn't be second team and pro bowler if he wasn't still good.   Guys in the NFL are unhappy all the time.  Doesn't mean a lot. 

 
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