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2016 Green Bay Packers thread (1 Viewer)

Pipes said:
McCarthy called a great game last night.  That's the first time in a long time that I saw he thinking outside the box and try some new things.  It's nice to know that he can still adapt to what personnel he has available to him.  Not quite sure why that didn't happen last year and why Montgomery didn't see much action until the Dallas game.  Maybe it's not all doom and gloom after all.
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McCarthy can have this kind of play calling and has shown in the past. What he needs to realize is that running shorter routes is a good thing as it eats up the clock, usually are more likely to be completed and keeps D rested. He just falls in love with these deep run routes and big play philosophy which has killed the offense over last couple years.

Even if we have a RB threat he should keep using the short passing game and compliment it with a run and play action to keep teams guessing. He can get big plays off play action and double move routes that gets a CB guessing.

 
KingPrawn said:
Isn't that what we saw Thursday night?
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Yes but can McCarthy drop his ego at the door and do it for the rest of the season. This will be very big if the Packers are to make the playoffs and have a deep run. With the Vikings loss now the division isn't even a reach of now.

 
hauser42 said:
Yes but can McCarthy drop his ego at the door and do it for the rest of the season. This will be very big if the Packers are to make the playoffs and have a deep run. With the Vikings loss now the division isn't even a reach of now.
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How is the rest of it ego?

Wouldnt this be even more ego building if he goes wr happy and he can claim how good he was to operate with no run game?

Hell, they did it quite a bit in 2007in Favres last year rbs were a mess before Grant and about the San Diego game they spread it out and worked the short pass game.

 
My concern is you can't consistently get all those yards after the catch against good defenses. But I guess we'll see how it works out.

If Jordy can't make plays down the field I'd seriously look at making him a third down and red zone package player only for now.

 
hauser42 said:
McCarthy can have this kind of play calling and has shown in the past. What he needs to realize is that running shorter routes is a good thing as it eats up the clock, usually are more likely to be completed and keeps D rested. He just falls in love with these deep run routes and big play philosophy which has killed the offense over last couple years.

Even if we have a RB threat he should keep using the short passing game and compliment it with a run and play action to keep teams guessing. He can get big plays off play action and double move routes that gets a CB guessing.
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I'm not so sure that falls on McCarthy. My hunch is the guy calling the shots for the offense, #12, has more say over where the ball goes than McCarthy. Perhaps it was Rodgers that was patient and recognized where they could make the most out of the offense?

 
Chicago Hooligan said:
My concern is you can't consistently get all those yards after the catch against good defenses. But I guess we'll see how it works out.

If Jordy can't make plays down the field I'd seriously look at making him a third down and red zone package player only for now.
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Why not? I'd take Montgomery one on one right now, and heck, Cobb too. They can make people miss in space. 

 
I don't see any indication they practiced today. They worked out a bunch of players and added WR Geronimo Allison to the roster. He made some plays in preseason.

 
hauser42 said:
Yes but can McCarthy drop his ego at the door and do it for the rest of the season. This will be very big if the Packers are to make the playoffs and have a deep run. With the Vikings loss now the division isn't even a reach of now.
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I think he needs to do it, but if that's all he does, teams will solve it.  I think this offense needs all hands on deck.  I think that backs besides Montgomery need to deliver.  We need contribution from Davis and whoever else they have.  Jared Cooks and James Starks most likely won't be back until maybe the Redskins game.  

So they've got the Falcons, Colts, and Titans in the next three weeks. 

The Falcons are a tough test.  They need to figure out what San Diego did in the third and fourth quarters and duplicate that.  Julio could be in for a huge game.  Freeman could hurt them as well but Coleman was the bigger concern.  He most likely isn't playing.  I think the Packers D can handle Freeman.   Most likely they will  use safeties to defend Julio and let the pass rush deal with Matt Ryan.  I like that.  Bosa had a nice game against them.

I'm not worried about Indy really.  They just don't scare me.  I think that's a win.

Tennessee should be a win as well.  I would be nice to be sitting at 6-3 or even 7-2 after this stretch.  I'd have a hard time thinking they miss the playoff if they finish the first 8 games with a 6-2 record.  So this is a big game.  Both in terms of standings, but also to see what the heck this Packers team really is this year.  

 
KingPrawn said:
Randall had surgery today on his injured groin. He's really taking this faking injury thing a bit far. What a coward.
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I guessed wrong.  He's still not a very good player.  Maybe I was wrong to question his character to that extent.  However he does not show much courage on the field.  Doesn't mean he's a faker I guess.  

 
Abbrederis waived...injury settlement.

Would have been nice to have been able to see him catch on and not always be dinged up.  Rodgers seemed to really like him and was a great story.

 
Ted and Mike's bungled personnel management probably cost them in this one.  

Injuries injuries injuries.  At some point does this not fall on coaching or something?  

This team probably isn't going anywhere this season.  They couldn't beat an Atlanta team that was without it's premier weapon.  I didn't watch the first half.  But they looked mediocre in the second half to be honest.  Rodgers missing guys left and right.  The clock management at the end of the game was once again weak.  

I just think this team is what it is.  They are 30-17-1 and trending down over the last three season.  Over the last two seasons they are 14-10.   I'd expect they finish around 9-7, maybe get in the playoff, maybe not.  They won't get past the divisional round. 

This is why the Seattle debacle of 2014 is so tough for me to swallow.  They just absolutely blew it.  They had the team.  They just gave it away.  The team hasn't been the same since and I don't see them returning to that level of play (12-4) with McCarthy until they get some real true studs.  They are playing with spare parts at DB, WR, RB right now.  The starters coming back are weak at CB and RB (Lacy is decent, Starks is average at best). They really need a shot in the arm.  Ted hasn't been able to provide that in about 5 years. 

Julius Peppers' signing has been a two edged sword.  On the one hand, he's a great player and I'm sure he's respected in the locker room.  On the other, he motioned for Burnett to go down on the pick return vs. Seattle.  His contract now is so large they had to let Heyward, House, and Williams go.   The replacements for those players stink (looking at you Randall) and the window is closing (closed already maybe).  

They probably win against Indy, but I don't know about Tennessee.  Seems they match well with them.  But when you are questioning whether they can beat bottom feeders, you have to look at everything.  

Team needs.

CB - If Shields is done, they don't have a good one.
RB - Come on Ted. This is just a terrible job here.
WR - We've probably seen the best from Jordy.  Love him but he's older now and he just doesn't look the same.  The chances of him returning to pre-injury form are slim.  Did Adams break any tackles yesterday?  

 

 
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They played better yesterday than they, and we, had any right to expect.  I was proud of the effort given the gutting of the roster due to injuries.  This season might yet be salvaged but we are going to need to see some good news on the injury front, and that damn soon.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
They played better yesterday than they, and we, had any right to expect.  I was proud of the effort given the gutting of the roster due to injuries.  This season might yet be salvaged but we are going to need to see some good news on the injury front, and that damn soon.
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Have to have the corners back...this allows them to try and bring pressure (which is non-existent when Clay is out).

Get Montgomery or Cobb back quick...preferably both.  There were times I thought Rodgers missed guys...and times Im not sure if he and a few WRs were on the same page.  Offense looked its best for much of that 1st half.  

Said it in the game thread...these weak as PF calls have to go.  Jones' hit on Ryan was one step after the throw (don't they get 2 steps?) led with his shoulder and didn't even knock him down.  Got the make up call at the end of the half...which really only moved us closer for a FG...I think a guy came in a tiny bit late on Ripkowski.  

Gunter did pretty well for the most part on Julio (even before the ankle twist).  But Brice and Goodson were not good...and a scheme with Jake Ryan trying to cover Sanu is an awful way to give up the go ahead score.

 
If, and its a big if, the Packers can return Cook, Cobb, and Montgomery this week along with Mathews and one corner and get a win with another week of Rodgers looking sharp and no injuries, well I think, excepting Sabertooth, the bandwagon will get rolling.  If the next week they can return another corner and one of their regular backs with no other impactful injuries and well, I will be a happy camper.  We Packer fans could definitely use some good news.

 
Sabertooth said:
Ted and Mike's bungled personnel management probably cost them in this one.  

Injuries injuries injuries.  At some point does this not fall on coaching or something?  

This team probably isn't going anywhere this season.  They couldn't beat an Atlanta team that was without it's premier weapon.  I didn't watch the first half.  But they looked mediocre in the second half to be honest.  Rodgers missing guys left and right.  The clock management at the end of the game was once again weak.  

I just think this team is what it is.  They are 30-17-1 and trending down over the last three season.  Over the last two seasons they are 14-10.   I'd expect they finish around 9-7, maybe get in the playoff, maybe not.  They won't get past the divisional round. 

This is why the Seattle debacle of 2014 is so tough for me to swallow.  They just absolutely blew it.  They had the team.  They just gave it away.  The team hasn't been the same since and I don't see them returning to that level of play (12-4) with McCarthy until they get some real true studs.  They are playing with spare parts at DB, WR, RB right now.  The starters coming back are weak at CB and RB (Lacy is decent, Starks is average at best). They really need a shot in the arm.  Ted hasn't been able to provide that in about 5 years. 

Julius Peppers' signing has been a two edged sword.  On the one hand, he's a great player and I'm sure he's respected in the locker room.  On the other, he motioned for Burnett to go down on the pick return vs. Seattle.  His contract now is so large they had to let Heyward, House, and Williams go.   The replacements for those players stink (looking at you Randall) and the window is closing (closed already maybe).  

They probably win against Indy, but I don't know about Tennessee.  Seems they match well with them.  But when you are questioning whether they can beat bottom feeders, you have to look at everything.  

Team needs.CB - If Shields is done, they don't have a good one.
RB - Come on Ted. This is just a terrible job here.
WR - We've probably seen the best from Jordy.  Love him but he's older now and he just doesn't look the same.  The chances of him returning to pre-injury form are slim.  Did Adams break any tackles yesterday?  
 
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Oh come on. Really? Name an NFL team that would lose their top two running backs, then just have the next stud waiting in reserve? That doesn't happen in the NFL. At CB, based on what? You've ragged on a second year player that just had surgery. You have no idea about this position right now, you just don't. With three guys out, evaluate who is playing. Gunter and Goodson were solid against Atlanta. You always need corners in today's NFL, so I will agree there is no harm in adding talent. 

At WR, I thought Allison and Davis showed well in the game, and both could have roles moving forward. Nelson is  a work in progress. You can write him off, but most guys his age take longer to get back from an ACL. I still think he's got some left. As far as Adams, his strength is not the short passing game and making guys miss. He had to play there because their preferred players (Montomery/Cobb) were both out. He filled in admirably, but he isn't going to be needed there going forward. He'll get back to playing downfield where he belongs.

They just went toe to toe with "the most explosive offense in the NFL" and did it with a severely, and I mean severely, depleted roster. No reason for doom and gloom. 

The offense showed well. The defense let them down in the end, but there was a lot to like.

 
I was more encouraged by the performance yesterday than I was deterred.  I actually thought the offensive game plan was solid, granted Atlanta's defense is terrible.  The secondary outperformed expectations.  The biggest issue was the lack of pressure they got.  All that said, with the injuries mounting I think we may have to start worrying about them making the playoffs.  They currently sit at 4-3.  I think it will take at least 10 wins to get in the playoffs this year.  I could easily see them losing the following games @WSH, @PHI, SEA, MIN.  That puts them at 9-7.  This assumes they handle business in the other games, most notably @DET and @TEN.  

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Oh come on. Really? Name an NFL team that would lose their top two running backs, then just have the next stud waiting in reserve? That doesn't happen in the NFL. At CB, based on what? You've ragged on a second year player that just had surgery. You have no idea about this position right now, you just don't. With three guys out, evaluate who is playing. Gunter and Goodson were solid against Atlanta. You always need corners in today's NFL, so I will agree there is no harm in adding talent. 

At WR, I thought Allison and Davis showed well in the game, and both could have roles moving forward. Nelson is  a work in progress. You can write him off, but most guys his age take longer to get back from an ACL. I still think he's got some left. As far as Adams, his strength is not the short passing game and making guys miss. He had to play there because their preferred players (Montomery/Cobb) were both out. He filled in admirably, but he isn't going to be needed there going forward. He'll get back to playing downfield where he belongs.

They just went toe to toe with "the most explosive offense in the NFL" and did it with a severely, and I mean severely, depleted roster. No reason for doom and gloom. 

The offense showed well. The defense let them down in the end, but there was a lot to like.
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Agreed...and Adams did break several tackles yesterday as well.

I think many are still down on Adams after last year when he didn't step up to be a #1 WR.  He has stepped up this year and basically been James Jones part 2.  Of course...many didn't like Jones either until he left and came back.

 
"Only" 90 yards rushing allowed is misleading as they were unable to set the edge consistently.

Creating zero turnovers on the road never helps. There were INTs to be had, granted not as easy as some of the ones DBs have dropped earlier in the year but there were chances.

Essentially no production from RB/TE but Ripkowski ran/lumbered well.

Adams seems to have really turned things around... then gets lucky not to lose a goal line fumble.

Davis and Allison showed their ability. They'll be able to contribute in the second half of the season.

 
I agree they set the edge well on us (though, at least one due to a blatant hold that was badly missed against Hyde).  I think the run D did well...especially when you consider they pretty much play almost exclusively in a nickel look to help out the secondary.  The front 6 is playing quite well in that capacity...callit a front 7 as Hyde is typically playing close to the line as a S/LB hybrid.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
Oh come on. Really? Name an NFL team that would lose their top two running backs, then just have the next stud waiting in reserve? That doesn't happen in the NFL. 
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No? KC, New England, New Orleans Pittsburgh, Seattle and Arizona did exactly that just last season. 

Those are just off the top of my head.  Everybody gets injuries.  Great teams have plan b, c, and d ready.  

Hell do you even remember who started for New England in the Super Bowl?  Was he even active until Dion Lewis got hurt?  

 
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Sabertooth said:
No? KC, New England, New Orleans Pittsburgh, Seattle and Arizona did exactly that just last season. 

Those are just off the top of my head.  Everybody gets injuries.  Great teams have plan b, c, and d ready.  

Hell do you even remember who started for New England in the Super Bowl?  Was he even active until Dion Lewis got hurt?  
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You have to be joking with this crap. Keep rooting for this team's demise. One of the most successful GM/Coach combos in team history, and you can't wait to push them out the door. Be careful what you wish for.

 
Sabertooth said:
Nice deflection.  You remind me of my wife.  Pretty tough to argue facts so you attack the messenger.  
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Plan B: James Starks
Plan C: Ty Montgomery
Plan D: Don Jackson

What do they all have in common? They all got injured and missed time. But by all means, continue to pontificate and make believe the situations are similar. You don't seem interested in facts, that's for damn sure.

 
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Man in the yellow hat said:
Plan B: James Starks
Plan C: Ty Montgomery
Plan D: Don Jackson

What do they all have in common? They all got injured and missed time. But by all means, continue to pontificate and make believe the situations are similar. You don't seem interested in facts, that's for damn sure.
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You know what else they all have in common? None are quality NFL running backs.  

Lacy is quality.  But it doesn't take a crystal ball to predict a 30 year old mediocre running back and a wide receiver aren't going to be adequate depth if your overweight starter gets hurt (again).  

 
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Sabertooth said:
You know what else they all have in common? None are quality NFL running backs.  

Lacy is quality.  But it doesn't take a crystal ball to predict a 30 year old mediocre running back and a wide receiver aren't going to be adequate depth if your overweight starter gets hurt (again).  
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Pro Football Focus disagreed, ranking Green Bay #11 at the running back position heading into this year, ahead of the Seahawks and Patriots. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-running-back-units/

More from PFF:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ranking-the-top-10-rb-units-in-the-nfl/

6. Green Bay Packers
If Le’Veon Bell was the most complete running back in the NFL last season, then Eddie Lacy was a close second. Lacy graded inside the top 10 at the running back position for running (+7.6), receiving (+8.4), and pass blocking (+3.6). The former second-round pick has started his career with back-to-back seasons with top-5 overall grades. While Lacy is a three-down back, the Packers still substitute heavily and James Starks is a more than competent backup. The fifth-year back has averaged an impressive 2.9 and 3.0 yards after contact per attempt the last two seasons.

Very easy to look back now and run down James Starks. However, he showed absolutely no signs of decline last year. And it is also clear Montgomery was part of the backfield plan all along, which is why they carried seven wrs and only two rbs. He was going to be involved in the pass catching back roll, just like Cobb before him. 

 
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Man in the yellow hat said:
Pro Football Focus disagreed, ranking Green Bay #11 at the running back position heading into this year, ahead of the Seahawks and Patriots. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-running-back-units/

More from PFF:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/ranking-the-top-10-rb-units-in-the-nfl/

6. Green Bay Packers
If Le’Veon Bell was the most complete running back in the NFL last season, then Eddie Lacy was a close second. Lacy graded inside the top 10 at the running back position for running (+7.6), receiving (+8.4), and pass blocking (+3.6). The former second-round pick has started his career with back-to-back seasons with top-5 overall grades. While Lacy is a three-down back, the Packers still substitute heavily and James Starks is a more than competent backup. The fifth-year back has averaged an impressive 2.9 and 3.0 yards after contact per attempt the last two seasons.

Very easy to look back now and run down James Starks. However, he showed absolutely no signs of decline last year. And it is also clear Montgomery was part of the backfield plan all along, which is why they carried seven wrs and only two rbs. He was going to be involved in the pass catching back roll, just like Cobb before him. 
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You are nothing if not loyal.  

 
Sabertooth said:
No? KC, New England, New Orleans Pittsburgh, Seattle and Arizona did exactly that just last season. 

Those are just off the top of my head.  Everybody gets injuries.  Great teams have plan b, c, and d ready.  

Hell do you even remember who started for New England in the Super Bowl?  Was he even active until Dion Lewis got hurt?  
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I'd rather the team carry a 3rd RB rather than a 3rd TE like Jeff Perillo.  I'd really like them to get a 3rd down back like a James White or Chris Thompson. Those guys are valuable weapons that can be had for cheap yet the Packers don't seem interested in adding such a player.  Maybe Montgomery can fit that role when everyone is back healthy.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
You have to be joking with this crap. Keep rooting for this team's demise. One of the most successful GM/Coach combos in team history, and you can't wait to push them out the door. Be careful what you wish for.
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While I'm not all doom and gloom I do think when you have the best QB in the league over a 5 plus year period 1 Superbowl victory and crushing playoff defeats every other year is a little underwhelming.  I realize this book hasn't been completely written but if the trio of Ted/Mike and Aaron don't have another Superbowl appearance I along with most Packer fans would be extremely disappointed.

 
Pipes said:
I'd rather the team carry a 3rd RB rather than a 3rd TE like Jeff Perillo.  I'd really like them to get a 3rd down back like a James White or Chris Thompson. Those guys are valuable weapons that can be had for cheap yet the Packers don't seem interested in adding such a player.  Maybe Montgomery can fit that role when everyone is back healthy.
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Depends on a few things...I think ST plays the biggest role in whether they kept a TE or RB.

I agree with liking to have a 3rd down type back...but basically, Montgomery is that now and probably more dangerous than most 3rd down backs.

 
Pipes said:
I'd rather the team carry a 3rd RB rather than a 3rd TE like Jeff Perillo.  I'd really like them to get a 3rd down back like a James White or Chris Thompson. Those guys are valuable weapons that can be had for cheap yet the Packers don't seem interested in adding such a player.  Maybe Montgomery can fit that role when everyone is back healthy.
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In fairness they did try with Jonathon Franklin.  Me, I love a Darren Sproles type.  I kind of thought TT and MM were hoping to fill part of that as have the Patriots, with Montgomery, Cobb, and Abbredaris.  Fairly quick guys running short, precise routes in combination, like Edelman and Ammendola.

Would not surprise me to see Abbredaris surface in N.E. if they get an injury.

 
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sho nuff said:
Depends on a few things...I think ST plays the biggest role in whether they kept a TE or RB.

I agree with liking to have a 3rd down type back...but basically, Montgomery is that now and probably more dangerous than most 3rd down backs.
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Not if he's pissing blood after heavy usage.  

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
SAbertooth,

I thank you.  Whenever you post I am put in mind of Positively 4th Street, and that is a good thing in my estimation.
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No idea what that means.   I just try to hold people accountable.  Most fans don't.  The rah rah fans on this board think Mike and Ted and Aaron can do nothing wrong.  It makes me roll my eyes when fans have no objectivity.  

 
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