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I do not understand the fascination with Free Agency.  More often than not teams which resort to it pay a heavy price.  The hit rate there has to be below even the hit rate on drafting.
Would be interesting to actually see data on the hit rate for FA vs draft to verify one way or another. But at least with FA, you have measurable and quantifiable performances at the NFL level to rely on. Not so with college players.

So by that measure, can understand that a team would want to leverage "known" quantities a little more than rely on draft picks panning out if the need is to win now.

 
Would be interesting to actually see data on the hit rate for FA vs draft to verify one way or another. But at least with FA, you have measurable and quantifiable performances at the NFL level to rely on. Not so with college players.

So by that measure, can understand that a team would want to leverage "known" quantities a little more than rely on draft picks panning out if the need is to win now.
I try to remember that the coaching staff that knows them the best is letting them go.  Sure, sometimes there are economic factors, but they are being allowed to walk by teams that have known them.  is that measurable?

 
I think too many Green Bay fans have been brain washed that the way to build a successful franchise is to build through the draft and avoid free agency.  My approach is that you acquire through 3 means, trades, draft, free agency.  Certainly it's key to do a good job drafting well and developing your players and Green Bay has been successful over the years.  I would still say that is the most important of the 3 aspects.  With that said, I think it's foolish to ignore free agency and not go after any players you identify that can make you better.

Another item not talked about much in this thread is they have actually done a poor job of overpaying some of their guys to keep them in the fold.  That money could have been used in free agency to help areas of need.  I'd like to swap out that Randall Cobb contract for some free agent help.

 
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I think too many Green Bay fans have been brain washed that the way to build a successful franchise is to build through the draft and avoid free agency.  My approach is that you acquire through 3 means, trades, draft, free agency.  Certainly it's key to do a good job drafting well and developing your players and Green Bay has been successful over the years.  I would still say that is the most important of the 3 aspects.  With that said, I think it's foolish to ignore free agency and not go after any players you identify that can make you better.

Another item not talked about much in this thread is they have actually done a poor job of overpaying some of their guys to keep them in the fold.  That money could have been used in free agency to help areas of need.  I'd like to swap out that Randall Cobb contract for some free agent help.
The Julius Peppers contract is just a bad one.  Yikes.  

 
I do not understand the fascination with Free Agency.  More often than not teams which resort to it pay a heavy price.  The hit rate there has to be below even the hit rate on drafting.
Agreed however a dip into the pool once in a while would be nice.  Not the best way to build a team but a supplemental piece here and there could help. Denver signed Talib and a past his prime Ware to help make a very good defense with guys they drafted like Miller and Harris into a great one.  Those were two big hits but a piece here and there would be great to give this team a boost.

 
For instance Danny Trevathon ( signed a 4 year, $24,500,000 contract with the Chicago Bears, including a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $12,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,125,000.) Sportrac from this past offseason was a guy I really thought we should look at.  Also Ronnie Hillman  (1 year for $760,000) is another one.   We could have easily slipped their combined 3.5mm cap hit under the cap.  Coby Fleener is another one.  He could be helping right now.  Aldon Smith could have been a huge addition.  4mm cap hit on him.  

Right now the Packers could have 

Danny Trevathon starting. Ronnie Hillman starting instead of Ty Montgomery and now Starks.  That might mean a game or two more winning right there.  
Alfred Morris is another one I thought they should look at. 

Any of these guys would have helped a ton.  Hillman would have been a nice compliment to Lacy even if the big guy had stayed healthy.  There were especially running backs that could have helped this team out this season.  Ted never even sniffed them I don't think.  

 
For instance Danny Trevathon ( signed a 4 year, $24,500,000 contract with the Chicago Bears, including a $5,000,000 signing bonus, $12,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,125,000.) Sportrac from this past offseason was a guy I really thought we should look at.  Also Ronnie Hillman  (1 year for $760,000) is another one.   We could have easily slipped their combined 3.5mm cap hit under the cap.  Coby Fleener is another one.  He could be helping right now.  Aldon Smith could have been a huge addition.  4mm cap hit on him.  

Right now the Packers could have 

Danny Trevathon starting. Ronnie Hillman starting instead of Ty Montgomery and now Starks.  That might mean a game or two more winning right there.  
Alfred Morris is another one I thought they should look at. 

Any of these guys would have helped a ton.  Hillman would have been a nice compliment to Lacy even if the big guy had stayed healthy.  There were especially running backs that could have helped this team out this season.  Ted never even sniffed them I don't think.  
Hillman stinks...im sure he sniffed that from miles away.

 
Most of those teams were much much worse than Green Bay going into the 2010 season.  Most are now better.  
I would be careful about that assumption. Other teams improve over the off-season, too. Green bay may not have been that much better then suffered critical injuries. Still close to .500 after that is good.

 
Lol.  See how frustrating that is? 
Yes...if only anyone else had gone over the top like that...you seem to be the only one ever doing so.

Nobody...literally nobody has painted that positive of a picture of Ted and Mike or the players.  You continually go the opposite way and paint an overly negative picture of the talent and so on.  As has been pointed out by multiple people.

 
Why would they paint a negative picture of the all star cast in Green Bay?  Ted is the best GM who has the best coach and players.  It's just bad luck.

 
I think this season is ugly.  My silver lining is an earlier pick in what is supposed to be a good draft class and hopefully a lesson learned that you have to at least make an effort to add talent in free agency and they will become more active trying to use all avenues to build a strong team.  I'm not very hopeful for 2016.  At best, they battle for a playoff spot but can they really do anything in the playoffs?  Maybe they are better off continuing to stumble?  I do think guys like Davante Adams and Ty Montgomery have shown improvement to help down the road.
Great post and all hyperbole aside, I think this is where they sit.  

 
GB Homers -- what's the talk about how quickly C Michael sees the field?  WIll we see him in limited capacity this week?  

 
Given that Starks is back and Michael will get what, 1 or 2 practices, I wouldn't expect much.

At best it's probably a situation where if/when Michael is in the game you 100% know it's a play called for him.

 
GB Homers -- what's the talk about how quickly C Michael sees the field?  WIll we see him in limited capacity this week?  
I'd hope he's seen the field already and not just sitting in the film room studying the playbook. 

Since they IRed Don Jackson I'd fully expect Michael to be suited up this week. Whether he gets onto the field, as other's have said: if he is on the field it's for 1-2 plays. I'd guess he's contributing more regularly by week 12, but that's optimistic. 

 
I wouldn't expect much.  This Packers team hasn't played hard in almost a month.  

I will watch the Mike McCarthy Show tonight because I DVRd it.  However I caught it for just a minute.  Larry McCarren asks McCarthy if he's concerned with the team.   Mike of course answers "Not at all, I'm confident in the team......"   I thought to myself ... he's either arrogant or ignorant....or most likely just feeding the company line out there.  

 
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Sabertooth said:
I wouldn't expect much.  This Packers team hasn't played hard in almost a month.  

I will watch the Mike McCarthy Show tonight because I DVRd it.  However I caught it for just a minute.  Larry McCarren asks McCarthy if he's concerned with the team.   Mike of course answers "Not at all, I'm confident in the team......"   I thought to myself ... he's either arrogant or ignorant....or most likely just feeding the company line out there.  
That's not arrogant or ignorant. What coach in his right mind would say anything else? 

 
Sabertooth said:
I wouldn't expect much.  This Packers team hasn't played hard in almost a month.  

I will watch the Mike McCarthy Show tonight because I DVRd it.  However I caught it for just a minute.  Larry McCarren asks McCarthy if he's concerned with the team.   Mike of course answers "Not at all, I'm confident in the team......"   I thought to myself ... he's either arrogant or ignorant....or most likely just feeding the company line out there.  
Serious question, how would you expect him to answer that question?

 
Through 128 games to start their careers...Ridgers has 1 more win than Favre.

Crazy how close those  numbers  are.
gives you an appreciation for Favre.  He did it in a tougher era for Quarterbacks.  Also I'd imagine he was quite a bit younger to reach 128 starts.  Both awesome players. Rodgers is better I think.  You'd think the turnover delta must be pretty heavily in Rodgers' favor and therefore also the wins, guess not.  

 
gives you an appreciation for Favre.  He did it in a tougher era for Quarterbacks.  Also I'd imagine he was quite a bit younger to reach 128 starts.  Both awesome players. Rodgers is better I think.  You'd think the turnover delta must be pretty heavily in Rodgers' favor and therefore also the wins, guess not.  
Evidently not though.  Turns out that you have to take a few risks to win games.  Not just focus on your passer rating and interception %.  I love Rodgers, but he needs just a small dose of Favre gunslinger.

 
Evidently not though.  Turns out that you have to take a few risks to win games.  Not just focus on your passer rating and interception %.  I love Rodgers, but he needs just a small dose of Favre gunslinger.
That's kind of my point.  It's kind of counter-intuitive as all you ever hear is that turnovers are most closely related to record.  Favre turned it over all the time.  Still won a ton of games.  But he wasn't afraid to fire a shot either.   Rodgers is much more cerebral than Favre, and that's a blessing and a curse.  He won't fire as many low percentage shots as Favre did.  I agree.  Rodgers plays football like it's a math problem.  Favre played like it was a bar room brawl.  

 
gives you an appreciation for Favre.  He did it in a tougher era for Quarterbacks.  Also I'd imagine he was quite a bit younger to reach 128 starts.  Both awesome players. Rodgers is better I think.  You'd think the turnover delta must be pretty heavily in Rodgers' favor and therefore also the wins, guess not.  
What does qb era have to do with wins?

 
I think just general changing of the game.  Less brutal on a QB.  You could hit a QB mid-game and knock him out of hurt him.  Favre always had nagging injuries.  Today's game is watered down.  Maybe I should take that into account when I criticize the D.  It was much easier to play against the pass back when you could light up a receiver or QB.  

 
I think just general changing of the game.  Less brutal on a QB.  You could hit a QB mid-game and knock him out of hurt him.  Favre always had nagging injuries.  Today's game is watered down.  Maybe I should take that into account when I criticize the D.  It was much easier to play against the pass back when you could light up a receiver or QB.  
If anything some rules helped him.  Ridgers missing part of that Detroit game and then New England the next week with concussion.  How many would Favre have missed had the protocol been like it is now?

You are making points why passing numbers are easier..but not wins.

 
I don't care enough about it to answer it.   It was just a passing thought.  
No problem...I just thought the whole thing was interesting how close they were in wins.

Rodgers aided by rules better for offense and the weapons he had.  Hurt by overall defenses

Favre aided by better run game, Oline for most of his career, and some damn good defenses to start out.

For both its a shame we have only seen 1 SB title each.

 
The best team the Packers have put on the field since 1967 was the Reggie White Super Bowl team.   Just an absolutely dominant product.  Haven't seen a team that good since (Packers or anyone else the 18-1 Pats are the only one close).  

 
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The best team the Packers have put on the field since 1967 was the Reggie White Super Bowl team.   Just an absolutely dominant product.  Haven't seen a team that good since (Packers or anyone else the 18-1 Pats are the only one close).  
No doubt...Offense with Favre in prime MVP form, Defense that was just nasty good with Reggie and the Dline causing caos up front, an underrated at times secondary with Butler back there, and LBs that just flat out got the job done.

Add in how good Howard and the Special Teams Unit was...that is what made the next year so disappointing.

Was cool seeing that SB ring on Sunday on Bruce WIlkerson.  Guy was as nice as can be as well.

 
How is Butler not in the Pro Football HOF?  He was a 4 time All-Pro.  Won the hardware.  Invented the Lambeau Leap.  And all this from a kid who couldn't hardly walk as a youngster.  He never gets the credit he deserved.  He was a true superstar.   I'd say he was easily the third best player on that team behind only Favre and White.  

Desmond Howard reclaimed his legacy in Green Bay.  Good times.  Glad you got to meet Bruce sound like you had fun.  

 
How is Butler not in the Pro Football HOF?  He was a 4 time All-Pro.  Won the hardware.  Invented the Lambeau Leap.  And all this from a kid who couldn't hardly walk as a youngster.  He never gets the credit he deserved.  He was a true superstar.   I'd say he was easily the third best player on that team behind only Favre and White.  

Desmond Howard reclaimed his legacy in Green Bay.  Good times.  Glad you got to meet Bruce sound like you had fun.  
Can't like this post enough. Butler is my favorite Packer of all time...loved that dude and agree 100%.  He and Atwater were the safeties on the team of the decade (1990's) to me that's a ticket to the Hall of Fame right there.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Didn't he move on to the Pats beat?

Seems a one sided thing based on anonymous sources.

Could it be true?  Sure...then again, he supposedly cut them off 2 years ago...but just now his play dwindled 2 years later?

Friends now and teammates seem to say the opposite about him.  But who really knows...seems a pretty BS thing to print his personal life stuff anyway.

 
His play has been dwindling since last October.  The two Hail Marys last season kind of hid from many the fact that his play had really started to fall off. 

 
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His play has been dwindling since last October.  The two Hail Marys last season kind of hid from many the fact that his play had really started to fall off. 
Sure...still seems odd that when it supposedly happened he still played  at that high level for at least a year.

 
I think this season is ugly.  My silver lining is an earlier pick in what is supposed to be a good draft class and hopefully a lesson learned that you have to at least make an effort to add talent in free agency and they will become more active trying to use all avenues to build a strong team.  I'm not very hopeful for 2016.  At best, they battle for a playoff spot but can they really do anything in the playoffs?  Maybe they are better off continuing to stumble?  I do think guys like Davante Adams and Ty Montgomery have shown improvement to help down the road.




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Scott Barrett ‏@ScottBarrettDFB  Nov 16
Over the last four weeks, Davante Adams leads all wide receivers in both targets and fantasy points.
 

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