2016 Green Bay Packers thread (1 Viewer)

[Interseptopus]

Who is more hurt?  Miller or the Packers Defense.  Those stats may be true but has Brock faced anything close to the Packers D in terms of disorganization and lack of talent in the defensive backfield?  

Osweiler's best games are against Chicago, Indianapolis, Oakland, Tennessee; all 4 are ranked below the Packers in passing yards/game.
Osweiler's worst games were against Denver (1), Minnesota (4), and Jacksonville (3 believe it or not). 

GB is actually the 2nd most difficult rushing defense that he will have faced so far this season (ranked 1 spot behind SD: he rushed for 3.0 ypc for 57 yards against them last week; one spot ahead of TEN which he rushed for 4.3 ypc and 82 yards back in October). Again not saying GB has a top 10 rushing defense- they have allowed the second most rushing yards per game over the last 3 games (LA is the only worse). But, even with that statistic it is a shock that GB is doing well enough to be a top half against the run team this season; they are not as bad as you may think. 

For Osweiler, I will predict a 220/1/2 day. For Miller I will say he will perform slightly above his 4.2 average per carry:  22/95/1 and 5 rec/35/0

Houston 17 GB 31
 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Osweiler's best games are against Chicago, Indianapolis, Oakland, Tennessee; all 4 are ranked below the Packers in passing yards/game.
Osweiler's worst games were against Denver (1), Minnesota (4), and Jacksonville (3 believe it or not). 

GB is actually the 2nd most difficult rushing defense that he will have faced so far this season (ranked 1 spot behind SD: he rushed for 3.0 ypc for 57 yards against them last week; one spot ahead of TEN which he rushed for 4.3 ypc and 82 yards back in October). Again not saying GB has a top 10 rushing defense- they have allowed the second most rushing yards per game over the last 3 games (LA is the only worse). But, even with that statistic it is a shock that GB is doing well enough to be a top half against the run team this season; they are not as bad as you may think. 

For Osweiler, I will predict a 220/1/2 day. For Miller I will say he will perform slightly above his 4.2 average per carry:  22/95/1 and 5 rec/35/0

Houston 17 GB 31
 

If they win this week that would actually be a winning streak. 

Here's to improved play and improved health!  Go Pack Go!

 

[Interseptopus]

If they win this week that would actually be a winning streak. 

Here's to improved play and improved health!  Go Pack Go!

Best Pep Talk Ever- McCarthy take notes for this week

 

[The Kerminator]

I enjoyed the win, sure.  Randall is young and inexperienced still.  Not sure how long he gets a pass on poor play though.  He's finishing out his second season and has shown no improvement at all.  He's been tentative and afraid to hit his whole career thus far.  He plays like a guy who doesn't want to hit anyone.  Always has.  

You could say this exact same thing about Davante Adams last year, couldn't you?

Adams is young and inexperienced still.  Not sure how long he gets a pass on poor play though.  He's finishing out his second season and has shown no improvement at all.

Sometimes you have to have patience.

 

[Sabertooth]

Good point.  Maybe I should practice some patience with him.  Always been a problem of mine.  

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

KingPrawn, excellent point. Davante Adams was injured last year, and was never able to get back the explosiveness he showed in pre-season. Rodgers just said as much this week. Now healthy, and Adams is displaying some of the qualities that they were excited about pre-injury.

We know Randall has athletic ability. We also know he hasn't played corner much, and has now missed a bunch of key development time. I'd like to see him finish out the season with some progress, then see how he rolls into next season. His second season 'jump' opportunity was compromised by injury.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

KingPrawn, excellent point. Davante Adams was injured last year, and was never able to get back the explosiveness he showed in pre-season. Rodgers just said as much this week. Now healthy, and Adams is displaying some of the qualities that they were excited about pre-injury.

We know Randall has athletic ability. We also know he hasn't played corner much, and has now missed a bunch of key development time. I'd like to see him finish out the season with some progress, then see how he rolls into next season. His second season 'jump' opportunity was compromised by injury.

I think the worrisome thing about Randall is that he played safety in college.....but his biggest weaknesses are a) tackling, b) being physical on the line and in coverage.   Seems odd....those should be strengths.

edit to add, he has seemingly gone backwards the more he has played.  Early last year, he actually looked good.

 

[Interseptopus]

I think the worrisome thing about Randall is that he played safety in college.....but his biggest weaknesses are a) tackling, b) being physical on the line and in coverage.   Seems odd....those should be strengths.

edit to add, he has seemingly gone backwards the more he has played.  Early last year, he actually looked good.

The "fake it until you make it" approach only works for so long
You can get by so long on athleticism but then when teams have film and scouting reports on you, they are better prepared to exploit your weaknesses.

It is concerning that these DBs haven't seemed to take the next step in their second years. If we hold onto Ted Thompson, you can bet he won't take a DB higher than round 4, maybe 3 this draft. He isn't going to abandon his draft picks just yet. And maybe it is too soon, who knows, but they haven't really shown a lot of improvement (when healthy). I am hoping whoever our GM is makes DB a round 1 or 2 priority this draft. I would be pretty happy if we had an entire defensive draft again, minus maybe RB and an OL. 

 

[sho nuff]

The "fake it until you make it" approach only works for so long
You can get by so long on athleticism but then when teams have film and scouting reports on you, they are better prepared to exploit your weaknesses.

It is concerning that these DBs haven't seemed to take the next step in their second years. If we hold onto Ted Thompson, you can bet he won't take a DB higher than round 4, maybe 3 this draft. He isn't going to abandon his draft picks just yet. And maybe it is too soon, who knows, but they haven't really shown a lot of improvement (when healthy). I am hoping whoever our GM is makes DB a round 1 or 2 priority this draft. I would be pretty happy if we had an entire defensive draft again, minus maybe RB and an OL. 

While they have not taken the step...and Im not excusing that.  How much of it is lack of a pass rush too?  CBs tend to look much better when there is some decent pressure.  While the front 7 started out the season well against the run, pressure has been pretty inconsistent and non-existent often leading to CBs having to cover longer.

Adding...while I agree on DB being a priority...pass rush should be too.  With Clay dinged so often and costing so much and getting on in years.

And yeah, bit of Wisconsin bias...but man if TJ Watt can live up to big brother...guy is creating havoc for the Badgers coming off the edge.  Don't think he stays in school after this year either.

 

[Sabertooth]

KingPrawn, excellent point. Davante Adams was injured last year, and was never able to get back the explosiveness he showed in pre-season. Rodgers just said as much this week. Now healthy, and Adams is displaying some of the qualities that they were excited about pre-injury.

We know Randall has athletic ability. We also know he hasn't played corner much, and has now missed a bunch of key development time. I'd like to see him finish out the season with some progress, then see how he rolls into next season. His second season 'jump' opportunity was compromised by injury.

Most likely.  Most of what I worry about though is his unwillingness to hit anyone.  He plays scared.  

 

[Sabertooth]

The "fake it until you make it" approach only works for so long
You can get by so long on athleticism but then when teams have film and scouting reports on you, they are better prepared to exploit your weaknesses.

It is concerning that these DBs haven't seemed to take the next step in their second years. If we hold onto Ted Thompson, you can bet he won't take a DB higher than round 4, maybe 3 this draft. He isn't going to abandon his draft picks just yet. And maybe it is too soon, who knows, but they haven't really shown a lot of improvement (when healthy). I am hoping whoever our GM is makes DB a round 1 or 2 priority this draft. I would be pretty happy if we had an entire defensive draft again, minus maybe RB and an OL. 

I'd be happy with just a successful draft in terms of picking the appropriate player at the appropriate spot regardless of position.  I suspect this team isn't nearly as talented as previously thought. The record is the record.  Over the past two seasons they are a .500 ball club.  I think that's pretty much what they are.  They aren't a 12-4 ball club anymore (talent-wise).  They just aren't unearthing the talent like they were.  

Stacked up against the rest of the league, I'd say they are between 10 and 20 in terms of overall talent top to bottom. Their record backs this assertion up.  

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Most likely.  Most of what I worry about though is his unwillingness to hit anyone.  He plays scared.  

I get it. This was noted by the JSOnline guys this week too. He did make some tackles. Other times he chose to not even engage. It's still an issue for sure.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The "fake it until you make it" approach only works for so long
You can get by so long on athleticism but then when teams have film and scouting reports on you, they are better prepared to exploit your weaknesses.

It is concerning that these DBs haven't seemed to take the next step in their second years. If we hold onto Ted Thompson, you can bet he won't take a DB higher than round 4, maybe 3 this draft. He isn't going to abandon his draft picks just yet. And maybe it is too soon, who knows, but they haven't really shown a lot of improvement (when healthy). I am hoping whoever our GM is makes DB a round 1 or 2 priority this draft. I would be pretty happy if we had an entire defensive draft again, minus maybe RB and an OL. 

I don't know. Both Randall and Rollins have been injured. It's hard to make that jump when you're not healthy and on the field. Much like Adams last season.

I hope they figure it out. They need them, because I believe Shields is done for good.

 

[Sabertooth]

I get it. This was noted by the JSOnline guys this week too. He did make some tackles. Other times he chose to not even engage. It's still an issue for sure.

Maybe with the JSO guys saying it people on this board won't think I'm just picking on him to be a ####.  I stand by what I saw in the Thanksgiving game last season.  He just wouldn't engage.  Then once I noticed it, I started watching him over and over and it was consistent.  I lost a lot of respect for him in that game.  Especially with Favre and Starr there on such a historic night.  It was unfathomable to me that on a game that important, he was playing like a scared little #####.  Granted it was miserable outside.  Worst weather I've experienced in person.  But the crowd was insane.  And this was the ####### Bears.  

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Maybe with the JSO guys saying it people on this board won't think I'm just picking on him to be a ####.  I stand by what I saw in the Thanksgiving game last season.  He just wouldn't engage.  Then once I noticed it, I started watching him over and over and it was consistent.  I lost a lot of respect for him in that game.  Especially with Favre and Starr there on such a historic night.  It was unfathomable to me that on a game that important, he was playing like a scared little #####.  Granted it was miserable outside.  Worst weather I've experienced in person.  But the crowd was insane.  And this was the ####### Bears.  

This made me think of the point you were making:

"Randall must get the ball out on the 20-yard back shoulder he allowed to Matthews. Despite having fresh legs, Randall probably was wise to play cautiously with his groin injury. He also missed three tackles, which certainly can’t continue. It looked like he didn’t really want in on the action."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/mcginn/2016/11/29/mcginn-rating-packers-vs-eagles/94614550/

 

[Sabertooth]

The problem of course being that I'm not sure you can coach something like courage.  

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm pleased to see Joe Callahan back in the fold.

 

[The Claymaker]

Randall is not a great/good/average tackler and may never be.  But I personally felt like he had a good game in coverage and that has been missing big time from our defense. Personally I think we curb stomp Houston and that weak offense this week. I am guessing 5 sacks and a 2 td win. 

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.  The Packers corners without Shields are pathetic.  

 

[Interseptopus]

Yeah, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.  The Packers corners without Shields are pathetic.  

I was never overly excited about shields to begin with

 

[The Claymaker]

I was never overly excited about shields to begin with

Well I like Shields and feel like he is One of the top cover CB's and the only DB we have that can really run with fast WR'ers. I also feel he could retire due to these concussions if not this time, if he gets another. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Well I like Shields and feel like he is One of the top cover CB's and the only DB we have that can really run with fast WR'ers. I also feel he could retire due to these concussions if not this time, if he gets another. 

he's likely done tbh 

 

[Sabertooth]

Shields was fast but lacked size. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Well I like Shields and feel like he is One of the top cover CB's and the only DB we have that can really run with fast WR'ers. I also feel he could retire due to these concussions if not this time, if he gets another. 

I don't see how the Packers can rely on him at this point.  If his head is touched he is out for a whole season.  That's not a guy they can carry on their roster no matter his ability.

 

[Sabertooth]

The sad thing is, if they finish 8-8....I'm betting they all stay on.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I don't see how the Packers can rely on him at this point.  If his head is touched he is out for a whole season.  That's not a guy they can carry on their roster no matter his ability.

I agree. I view Shields in the same light as Hayward... he's a bit over rated tbh. sure he's fast and a pretty good cover corner but if you were to name the top 10 CBs in the league I'm not sure Shields makes that list. I'm not sure Shields can shut down a Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, OBJ. 

regardless of his talent level, if I'm right or wrong, the concussion thing is very concerning. if you care for me to go into detail on concussions I can. last symposium I went to the MD who developed the concussion protocol for the nfl spoke and it was elightening. Shields going on the IR for a concussion is more serious than Teddy Bridgewaters injury IMO. if he's still experiencing symptoms then there is no timetable for his recovery and chances are he may never recover. that is scarey for Shields. 

 

[The Claymaker]

Pretty sure at this point we all know concussions are bad and end careers. I also clearly stated that in my comment about Shields, he may be done or maybe he gives it another try, I am not sure. But it seemed more like the comments involved his play at first not his concussions. I was merely disagreeing to that fact, he is a good player and is easily our best cover corner. Our pass defense has sucked and his absence has been a big part of the problem. I totally agree it's an issue that our best CB could be done or is so prone to these major concussion issue. So hopefully it's addressed early in the draft since we most likely won't address it via FA. I also disagree about Hayward as he was a good cover guy also that we let walk, guy always seem to make a big play, got picks and cover well. Leaving Shields out of the equation, Hayward would be our best cover guy if he was on our team now. Consistent cover CB's don't grow on trees if everyone had them the passing in the NFL would not be so dominant. 

To the shutting down of the top wr in the NFL, who does shut them down consistently? Maybe a few guys can hold them in check but so many more get burned by them. Just saying, I want consistency and I think that's what wins in the NFL.  

 

[Interseptopus]

I'd like to see what people's thoughts are about bringing Lacy back. Andy D's Mock Draft thread had the Packers taking a RB... so I had mentioned a few things to him regarding Lacy. I think GB resigns Lacy, he disagrees. I didn't realize how good Lacy's stats actually are with GB's history:

He averaged 5.1 ypc before he got hurt this year. On pace to come pretty close to his rookie year stats (1152 yards); having arguably his best season ever in the NFL

He is ranked 10th in Green Bay Packer Rushing History (only 3.3 seasons)

He is 4th in YPC amongst the top 10 GB rushers of all time 

Had he played this entire season, even if he had a crappy year at 700 rushing yards, he would be top 5 all time in rushing yards

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/career-rushing.htm

I feel like GB may resign him to a 1-2 year reasonable deal. Similar to what they did with Raji when he was coming off his big injury. Unless someone is going to poney up the big bucks to sign Lacy this offseason... I don't see it. 

I read somewhere the average significant career length for an NFL RB is 3 years. If that's true then Lacy has pretty much reached that point. It's possible, given his history of not being able to walk away from the buffet table and now this injury will certainly not help his in-shape-ness. I guess I'm torn... Lacy at his best is awesome, a work horse. One of those franchise RBs that sticks around for 7-8 seasons. But... his weight was previously an issue and when it looks like he's turned it around he has a significant injury. 

Thoughts? Should/will they bring him back? It'd be nice to have a Zeke-type RB that you can really rely on (but what team wouldn't say that!!!). There's potential for a very very good RB to be available in the 1st round. However, I really feel like defense should be a top priority. As I've said previously, I'd be fine with an all-defensive draft with an OL and RB at some point. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Pretty sure at this point we all know concussions are bad and end careers. I also clearly stated that in my comment about Shields, he may be done or maybe he gives it another try, I am not sure. But it seemed more like the comments involved his play at first not his concussions. I was merely disagreeing to that fact, he is a good player and is easily our best cover corner. Our pass defense has sucked and his absence has been a big part of the problem. I totally agree it's an issue that our best CB could be done or is so prone to these major concussion issue. So hopefully it's addressed early in the draft since we most likely won't address it via FA. I also disagree about Hayward as he was a good cover guy also that we let walk, guy always seem to make a big play, got picks and cover well. Leaving Shields out of the equation, Hayward would be our best cover guy if he was on our team now. Consistent cover CB's don't grow on trees if everyone had them the passing in the NFL would not be so dominant. 

To the shutting down of the top wr in the NFL, who does shut them down consistently? Maybe a few guys can hold them in check but so many more get burned by them. Just saying, I want consistency and I think that's what wins in the NFL.  

Sorry not Hayward. Devon House. He kind of rose in the ranks in GB and then got paid by Jacksonville. I felt like he was good to let walk. Hayward I liked but it was either him or Shields. 

Shields is our best cover corner, without a doubt, but that's not saying much. I am more concerned on where he would stand individually across the league. Probably top 10 now that I think about it. Just frustrating because since he got paid it really seems like his play has diminished. He has potential to be an absolute stud but doesn't seem to play up to it. On top of being hurt... which I know you can't really control. 

 

[The Claymaker]

If Lacy dedicated himself to the game, I think he would be a monster and would love to have him back. But since he would rather eat then be great, to me it's not a big deal to resign him although he is still way better then anything else we have. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'd like to see what people's thoughts are about bringing Lacy back. Andy D's Mock Draft thread had the Packers taking a RB... so I had mentioned a few things to him regarding Lacy. I think GB resigns Lacy, he disagrees. I didn't realize how good Lacy's stats actually are with GB's history:

I feel like GB may resign him to a 1-2 year reasonable deal. Similar to what they did with Raji when he was coming off his big injury. Unless someone is going to poney up the big bucks to sign Lacy this offseason... I don't see it. 

I read somewhere the average significant career length for an NFL RB is 3 years. If that's true then Lacy has pretty much reached that point. It's possible, given his history of not being able to walk away from the buffet table and now this injury will certainly not help his in-shape-ness. I guess I'm torn... Lacy at his best is awesome, a work horse. One of those franchise RBs that sticks around for 7-8 seasons. But... his weight was previously an issue and when it looks like he's turned it around he has a significant injury. 

Thoughts? Should/will they bring him back? It'd be nice to have a Zeke-type RB that you can really rely on (but what team wouldn't say that!!!). There's potential for a very very good RB to be available in the 1st round. However, I really feel like defense should be a top priority. As I've said previously, I'd be fine with an all-defensive draft with an OL and RB at some point. 

I would be happy to see him back on a reasonable contract, slightly above market average with some good reward for incentives reached on top of that.  I would love to see the Packers use their first round choice on Dalvin Cook, I see him as Darren Sproles +.  As a third down and change of pace back getting 200 touches a year I can see him being that dynamic player who averages maybe 4.5 yards for 130 carries and 7.5 yards for 70 receptions.  After that I would be very happy to see G.B go corner, L.B., Defensive Line, T.E. and then O-line right on through the end of the draft.

As for Shields, I like his skill level.  I think he is better than average at his position.  I think he is better than Randall or Rollins right now, though I have hopes each will progress.  The thing is, even if he wants back with the team I don't think you devote a valuable roster space to a guy who is an I.R. candidate just waiting to happen. 

I wonder if Raji will return.  If so that would change my preferred draft dynamic.

Though it is heresy to say so I am willing to listen for offers for Rodgers.  Now I am only willing to listen to John Hadl type of offers, Herschel walker type of offers, but I am willing to listen. I happen to think that Brett Hundley and Joe Callahan are potentially quite serviceable.  If say Houston were to offer Watt, Osweiler, and three first rounders I would bite.  If S.F. or the jets would offer 5 first rounders I would bite.  I would then, of course, explore the option of bringing Romo home to Wisconsin to compete for the job with Hundley and Callahan.

All that aside I still hope to see a rally this year and an improbable playoff run culminating in Aaron's second Super Bowl MVP.  I'm a fan so hope springs eternal and optimism trumps sense.

Go Pack, wallop Houston.  Oh, and Detroit, be Detroit, take care of yourselves much as the Vikes seem to be doing.

 

[Warhogs]

I'm glad somebody brought up Lacy.  I actually think there is a decent chance he is back as well.  I don't see a huge market for this guy so if he can be retained at a good price I think it makes sense.  They will have enough other holes to fill during free agency and in the draft.  I don't expect it, but I am hoping they wake up and realize they need to be more aggressive in free agency to help fill some of their holes.  I think this team has slipped enough that they can't address everything in the draft.  Unfortunately, if you spend money to fill a few holes you may have to let some others go.  I googled and it showed 11 free agents:

Julius Peppers (8,666,667 in 2016)

T.J. Lang (5,200,000 in 2016)

Nick Perry (5,050,000 in 2016)

Jared Cook (2,750,000 in 2016)

Datone Jones (1,929,947 in 2016)

Brett Goode (885,000 in 2016)

Eddie Lacy (848,103 in 2016)

Christine Michael (725,000 in 2016)

Don Barclay ($700,000 in 2016)

J.C. Tretter (643,977 in 2016)

Micah Hyde (584,527 in 2016)

To bring Lacy back for me I would want it to be on a shorter contract (2-3 years) and would have to come in around $1.5 mil per season.  If someone wants to pay more I would rather say goodbye.  Losing the Peppers contract will be a big savings.  This team still needs to reload some pass rush, add some DB talent and keep and add some OL help through retaining some of these guys, adding some free agents, drafting new guys.

 

[Interseptopus]

I'm glad somebody brought up Lacy.  I actually think there is a decent chance he is back as well.  I don't see a huge market for this guy so if he can be retained at a good price I think it makes sense.  They will have enough other holes to fill during free agency and in the draft.  I don't expect it, but I am hoping they wake up and realize they need to be more aggressive in free agency to help fill some of their holes.  

I honestly think Thompson is gone and Wolf is given the keys to the kingdom. It's rumored that him and Thompson don't see eye to eye on how the Pack should approach FA. If Wolf is the GM we will see a big push for FAs I think

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I honestly think Thompson is gone and Wolf is given the keys to the kingdom. It's rumored that him and Thompson don't see eye to eye on how the Pack should approach FA. If Wolf is the GM we will see a big push for FAs I think

Big push?  Or "more of a push than today?"  Given that we don't sign FAs now, signing any would seem like a big push.

 

[sho nuff]

I'd like to see what people's thoughts are about bringing Lacy back. Andy D's Mock Draft thread had the Packers taking a RB... so I had mentioned a few things to him regarding Lacy. I think GB resigns Lacy, he disagrees. I didn't realize how good Lacy's stats actually are with GB's history:

I feel like GB may resign him to a 1-2 year reasonable deal. Similar to what they did with Raji when he was coming off his big injury. Unless someone is going to poney up the big bucks to sign Lacy this offseason... I don't see it. 

I read somewhere the average significant career length for an NFL RB is 3 years. If that's true then Lacy has pretty much reached that point. It's possible, given his history of not being able to walk away from the buffet table and now this injury will certainly not help his in-shape-ness. I guess I'm torn... Lacy at his best is awesome, a work horse. One of those franchise RBs that sticks around for 7-8 seasons. But... his weight was previously an issue and when it looks like he's turned it around he has a significant injury. 

Thoughts? Should/will they bring him back? It'd be nice to have a Zeke-type RB that you can really rely on (but what team wouldn't say that!!!). There's potential for a very very good RB to be available in the 1st round. However, I really feel like defense should be a top priority. As I've said previously, I'd be fine with an all-defensive draft with an OL and RB at some point. 

As much as Id love a guy like Cook or McCaffrey...I agree our needs are bigger elsewhere and Lacy cheap plus a veteran or 2nd/3rd round RB draft pick seems the smarter move.

Lacy should be cheap...read yesterday where he is still around, goes to all the RB meetings, helping guys out and still attends his personal meetings with the coaching staff.  A good sign for sure.

 

[sho nuff]

I would be happy to see him back on a reasonable contract, slightly above market average with some good reward for incentives reached on top of that.  I would love to see the Packers use their first round choice on Dalvin Cook, I see him as Darren Sproles +.  As a third down and change of pace back getting 200 touches a year I can see him being that dynamic player who averages maybe 4.5 yards for 130 carries and 7.5 yards for 70 receptions.  After that I would be very happy to see G.B go corner, L.B., Defensive Line, T.E. and then O-line right on through the end of the draft.

As for Shields, I like his skill level.  I think he is better than average at his position.  I think he is better than Randall or Rollins right now, though I have hopes each will progress.  The thing is, even if he wants back with the team I don't think you devote a valuable roster space to a guy who is an I.R. candidate just waiting to happen. 

I wonder if Raji will return.  If so that would change my preferred draft dynamic.

Though it is heresy to say so I am willing to listen for offers for Rodgers.  Now I am only willing to listen to John Hadl type of offers, Herschel walker type of offers, but I am willing to listen. I happen to think that Brett Hundley and Joe Callahan are potentially quite serviceable.  If say Houston were to offer Watt, Osweiler, and three first rounders I would bite.  If S.F. or the jets would offer 5 first rounders I would bite.  I would then, of course, explore the option of bringing Romo home to Wisconsin to compete for the job with Hundley and Callahan.

All that aside I still hope to see a rally this year and an improbable playoff run culminating in Aaron's second Super Bowl MVP.  I'm a fan so hope springs eternal and optimism trumps sense.

Go Pack, wallop Houston.  Oh, and Detroit, be Detroit, take care of yourselves much as the Vikes seem to be doing.

Im willing to listen...but Watt and OSweiler does not excite me.  Love Watt...but injuries are piling up for him too...and Osweiler stinks (especially with the price he has on that contract)

Not sure on Raji...with the way Daniels and Guion have played...would be nice to add in to the rotation for a year or so...but its a very short term thing with him at this point.

 

[Pipes]

I would be happy to see him back on a reasonable contract, slightly above market average with some good reward for incentives reached on top of that.  I would love to see the Packers use their first round choice on Dalvin Cook, I see him as Darren Sproles +.  As a third down and change of pace back getting 200 touches a year I can see him being that dynamic player who averages maybe 4.5 yards for 130 carries and 7.5 yards for 70 receptions.  After that I would be very happy to see G.B go corner, L.B., Defensive Line, T.E. and then O-line right on through the end of the draft.

This.  I'm tired of seeing the Packers using first rounders on defensive lineman or mediocre DBs (though Ha Ha seems ok).  I think they'll have, what appears to be a mid 1st rounder, so I'd love to see them draft a skill player they may normally not be able to.  The could really use a top flight weapon in this offense and Cook reminds me of a young Shady McCoy.  I realize they need CB's bad but most CB's take a year or two before they make an impact.  A guy like Cook would hit the ground running and immediately make the Packers a much better team next year. I'm not advocating taking a RB...just Cook, I think he's that special.  Personally I'm not a big fan of Fournette...while talented I'm not liking his propensity to get injured at the college level.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm glad somebody brought up Lacy.  I actually think there is a decent chance he is back as well.  I don't see a huge market for this guy so if he can be retained at a good price I think it makes sense.  They will have enough other holes to fill during free agency and in the draft.  I don't expect it, but I am hoping they wake up and realize they need to be more aggressive in free agency to help fill some of their holes.  I think this team has slipped enough that they can't address everything in the draft.  Unfortunately, if you spend money to fill a few holes you may have to let some others go.  I googled and it showed 11 free agents:

Julius Peppers (8,666,667 in 2016)

T.J. Lang (5,200,000 in 2016)

Nick Perry (5,050,000 in 2016)

Jared Cook (2,750,000 in 2016)

Datone Jones (1,929,947 in 2016)

Brett Goode (885,000 in 2016)

Eddie Lacy (848,103 in 2016)

Christine Michael (725,000 in 2016)

Don Barclay ($700,000 in 2016)

J.C. Tretter (643,977 in 2016)

Micah Hyde (584,527 in 2016)

To bring Lacy back for me I would want it to be on a shorter contract (2-3 years) and would have to come in around $1.5 mil per season.  If someone wants to pay more I would rather say goodbye.  Losing the Peppers contract will be a big savings.  This team still needs to reload some pass rush, add some DB talent and keep and add some OL help through retaining some of these guys, adding some free agents, drafting new guys.

For me, Peppers is done.  You retain at least one of Lang and Tretter and I lean trotter as Lang is showing some accumulation of injuries.  Jared Cook you bring back and Mycah Hyde also, but with Hyde you definitely do not exceed market value.  You hope Micheal shows well enough to leverage a good contract out of Lacy, something a bit of, but not a ridiculous home team discount ( a weird concept since he is not a native and has only been here a short time).  Barclay you actually help leave by paying professionals to box up his stuff and having a nice parting gift waiting for him right after you take his building pass.  Brett Goode is fine, I pay market value on a short term deal or I find a replacement in unrestricted free agency or in undrafted rookies.  With Peppers gone I am willing to sign Perry, he keeps flashing some talent.  Datone Jones, he just seems lost between positions, maybe I keep him, but I hope instead to see Raji return for a couple of years at reasonable salary.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I suspect Cook will want a big contract but if he will do like 2 years for $5.5m he's worth keeping.

Lacy, I absolutely want to keep, though realize I may be in a minority at this point.

Feels like Raji has been gone for years and years. Would be surprised if he returns.

 

[packer_junkie]

For me, Peppers is done.  You retain at least one of Lang and Tretter and I lean trotter as Lang is showing some accumulation of injuries.  Jared Cook you bring back and Mycah Hyde also, but with Hyde you definitely do not exceed market value.  You hope Micheal shows well enough to leverage a good contract out of Lacy, something a bit of, but not a ridiculous home team discount ( a weird concept since he is not a native and has only been here a short time).  Barclay you actually help leave by paying professionals to box up his stuff and having a nice parting gift waiting for him right after you take his building pass.  Brett Goode is fine, I pay market value on a short term deal or I find a replacement in unrestricted free agency or in undrafted rookies.  With Peppers gone I am willing to sign Perry, he keeps flashing some talent.  Datone Jones, he just seems lost between positions, maybe I keep him, but I hope instead to see Raji return for a couple of years at reasonable salary.

You absolutely don't spend a dime on Micah Hyde and his perfect passer rating against. No thanks. Should have resigned Casey Heyward w/ his money.

Hyde is the worst player on our horrible defense. Rather have Barclay back than him

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Peppers is definitely done but his contract is up, he can just walk away. See if he signs in Carolina to play a final season as rotational DE.

Is Morgan Burnett the best player on the defense this year? Daniels is very good but Burnett never seems to get his due holding down the back end and cleaning up run D, even playing ILB now.

 

[Interseptopus]

Some thoughts...

Julius Peppers: I'd like to see him back at a reasonable price. I think he would resign with the packers on a 2 year deal for maybe a million a season? I don't know, just throwing out a number, but I think he realizes his value is low especially as a defender who only plays specific downs. He looks just as good as he did several years ago, and I think he has a couple of years left worthy of playing time. The price has to be right

T.J. Lang: I would let him walk. I am not a huge fan of signing OL over the age of 30 (turns 30 next season). What, we sign him for 4 years and get maybe 2 more good ones out of him? I like Tretter better

Nick Perry: It depends on what you can sign him for, but I don't think we can afford him

Jared Cook: Again, depends on the price. It all depends how he finishes this season. He is kind of injury prone so that lowers his value. If we can get him somewhat affordable that would be nice, maybe a 2-3 year deal. I think we have to get a big play-making TE and I would hate to start over in the draft. He's better than what we would probably find in FA

Datone Jones: Buh-bye, another failed Thompson pick. Maybe he can catch on another team and play the actual position he is built to play

Eddie Lacy: At first, I thought maybe CJ Anderson's deal would be a good benchmark for Lacy, but Anderson got that after having a pretty good finish to last season. Lacy is coming off hurt. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him want 3-4 mil a season. I think he' worth more like 2.5. I'd like to see a 2 year deal at 5.5 mil with some incentives. I don't think the market is going to be in his favor; who would really pony up a lot of money for a RB? Jacksonville, Indy maybe, NYJ?  I don't think Lacy is going to have teams falling over themselves to sign him to a big deal. That's why I think he comes back to GB at a reasonable price, but this was "supposed" to be his big contract. 

J.C. Tretter: got to bring him back if you let Lang walk

Micah Hyde: Buh-bye. he is valuable on special teams but he is terrible in coverage. He is the new Jaret Bush. That being said, I'm sure GB will bring him back at 2 mil a season. 

BJ Raji: It would be nice to have him back. Kind of weird taking a year off but if we had him this year it would make a big difference I think. I'm not holding my breath for him coming back and being anything significant. 
 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

To be clear on B.J. absent his Bear interception and one half sack along with Mathews in the Super Bowl he is just a guy.  Of course he is our guy and knows the defense so I like having him back as a bridge guy for a year or two if we are saying goodbye to Peppers and Jones in the same off season and maybe not being able to resign Perry.  transition and replacement is fine by me but major overhauls, well I prefer to avoid that.  Remember, I presume Shields is gone so we are talking a good chunk of the defense going in one year.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree. I view Shields in the same light as Hayward... he's a bit over rated tbh. sure he's fast and a pretty good cover corner but if you were to name the top 10 CBs in the league I'm not sure Shields makes that list. I'm not sure Shields can shut down a Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, OBJ. 

regardless of his talent level, if I'm right or wrong, the concussion thing is very concerning. if you care for me to go into detail on concussions I can. last symposium I went to the MD who developed the concussion protocol for the nfl spoke and it was elightening. Shields going on the IR for a concussion is more serious than Teddy Bridgewaters injury IMO. if he's still experiencing symptoms then there is no timetable for his recovery and chances are he may never recover. that is scarey for Shields. 

Agreed.  He's pretty much done.   So if they don't add anyone, this is the defensive backfield they head into next season with.  Yikes.  The true scary part for the Packers is if they rally and finish 8-8 or better.  That would be enough to keep Ted, Mike, Dom, and company intact.  That would suck because these guys simply aren't moving the franchise forward.  Definitely better to burn out than to fade away in the NFL.  This team has been fading for 5 years.  

 

[Sabertooth]

To be clear on B.J. absent his Bear interception and one half sack along with Mathews in the Super Bowl he is just a guy.  Of course he is our guy and knows the defense so I like having him back as a bridge guy for a year or two if we are saying goodbye to Peppers and Jones in the same off season and maybe not being able to resign Perry.  transition and replacement is fine by me but major overhauls, well I prefer to avoid that.  Remember, I presume Shields is gone so we are talking a good chunk of the defense going in one year.

Defense has been transitioning for years.   

 

[Warhogs]

I was looking around a little bit more on the 2017 salary cap.  I have to assume there is a good chance James Starks is cut.  He will carry a salary of $3,750,000 and cutting him would save $3,000,000.  I better add...if I'm reading this site correctly.  I can't see Starks worth his contract amount next year.

 

[Warhogs]

Well I like Shields and feel like he is One of the top cover CB's and the only DB we have that can really run with fast WR'ers. I also feel he could retire due to these concussions if not this time, if he gets another. 

We could only hope he retires.  I think that would clear any dead money on his contract?  Tough to have him count $12,125,000 against the cap and you can't rely on him.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Pure speculation on my part but he could easily have already decided to retire, there's just no reason to announce that during the season.

 

[Sabertooth]

So a total of 42MM between Peppers, Matthews, and Shields.  That's just not going to get it done.  Couple that with weak the weak 2011-2013 drafts and you have the defense we see on the field each week.  At least the path forward is pretty clear.  

 

[Interseptopus]

So a total of 42MM between Peppers, Matthews, and Shields.  That's just not going to get it done.  Couple that with weak the weak 2011-2013 drafts and you have the defense we see on the field each week.  At least the path forward is pretty clear.  

yea the missed drafts have really come back to haunt Thompson. when you build your team through the draft, but strike out on 2 drafts, you're stuck with the team we see today. 

every team misses, maybe more than thompson as some here have argued, but the reason other teams don't let their misses impact their teams as much as gb does is because they also supplement with free agency