2016 New York Jets: Kotite-like (2 Viewers)

[Kiddnets]

what's scarier is that he's saying that the statistical worst QB in the NFL who has no shot to return to the team next year is a better option in meaningless games in a lost season than 2 young QBs drafted by this GM...one in the 2d rd.....scary from so many angles. 

 

[Reaper]

what's scarier is that he's saying that the statistical worst QB in the NFL who has no shot to return to the team next year is a better option in meaningless games in a lost season than 2 young QBs drafted by this GM...one in the 2d rd.....scary from so many angles. 

Hearing talk now that a decent finish could mean Fitz comes back next year as best option and they won't blame it all on fitz...

Stil see Marshall and Decker speaking out for their buddy as "Best Option".....

Blows my Mind.

 

[Fariq]

I was thinking about that last night. The only argument for going back to Fitzpatrick now is if the Jets want to bring him back for 2017.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Decent finish, laughable

they will win one more game tops, this team is garbage

 

[Fariq]

I guess Fitzpatrick played well enough throughout most of the game yesterday for Bowles to start him vs the Colts. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I guess Fitzpatrick played well enough throughout most of the game yesterday for Bowles to start him vs the Colts. 

He played ok, but it's still pointless to play him. I haven't heard any of these rumblings that they will bring Fitz back and I see no way that it happens.

 

[Fariq]

Oh, I don't think he should start.

So he will probably start. With the Jets you look for the dumbest thing the franchise can do and it will probably happen.

 

[Kiddnets]

Another awful game....yes they were competitive against a limping Brady and no Gronk....but what is so frustrating to be a Jet fan was on full display....Pats are winners and the Jets are losers.....

once Anderson fumbled the ball I turned to my dad and said it's over...we were winning at the time.  Did anyone think the Pats weren't going right down when in counted on that Jet D that has so many 1st rd picks?  Following that up, did anyone not think Fitz would turn the ball over in the last drive?  Bowles showed he's clueless again, playing not to lose by going for a long FG instead of going for it on 4th and 4 at the end of the 1st half (memo to coach - you're 3-8 why not go for it...who cares if you lose)

The last possible argument for starting Fitz is now gone....no shot at a winning record or playoffs...not even a miracle....if Bowles starts Fitz again then it's time for the wrath to be turned on not only him but Woody and Mac. Petty should get a few games and even the quiet hide in the closet bust Hackenburg should get a game or 2....play Revis at safety...use this time wisely...stop acting like the season isnt anything other than a complete disaster...experience and as high a draft pick as possible is the only thing left.  

 

[Fariq]

I correctly predicted the latest Fitzpatrick turnover less than a minute before it happened last night.

 

[TLEF316]

Fitz starting against indy. according to Bowles we haven't reached the point in the season  to try out young players.

Pretty sure I'm driving down the road to woody's house after work and taking a dump in the driveway

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Coach Todd Bowles confirmed Monday that Ryan Fitzpatrick will remain the Jets' starting quarterback for Week 13 against the Colts.

Bowles went as far as to call it a "no-brainer" and say there was "no debate" about Fitzpatrick retaining his starting role. Although he committed a sack-fumble to end Sunday's game, Fitzpatrick turned in one of his best performances of the season against the Patriots, throwing for 269 yards and two touchdowns. He'll be a two-quarterback-league option Monday night against Indy.

 
Bowles seems like the right guy to make a "no-brainer" decision.  

 

[lod001]

As a Brandon Marshall owner, Bowels is doing the right thing.  I am trying to win a championship and my team is pathetic, yet I am 3rd in scoring. Without Fitz, Marshall is useless.

 

[Fariq]

No surprise at all that Fitzpatrick will start against the Colts. If the Jets win next week, then barring injury, Fitzpatrick will start against the crummy 49ers. The Jets would likely win that game. Therefore, Fitzpatrick would star t in Week 15. Oh, will somebody please shoot me?

 

[Kiddnets]

In my 40 yrs as a Jet fan I've seen some dumb decision making....I am not overstating by saying this is the worst....Kotitesque....every snap Fitz takes is a complete waste and a detriment to this organizations future....I cant kill the coach who is trying to save himself....I'm not sure I can kill the GM because he doesnt have control over the coach.....so laying the dead dog where it belongs - at the awful owners feet.....I've never been one to rip Woody but how he can allow this to happen is mind boggling......I've never felt worse as a Jet fan and that is saying something.  Truly there is no hope....I only pray I and most of the fans move onto the next phase apathy...the kiss of death for a franchise....

 

[NYRAGE]

I correctly predicted the latest Fitzpatrick turnover less than a minute before it happened last night.

 My Jets friends have an appropriate expression: "wait for it".  We coined that term for Geno, but it applies to Fitz, too.  You just know that turnover is coming.

In typical fashion, whenever we are winning in an upset, some silly turnover or missed kick sends us spiraling. The Anderson turnover was that turning point yesterday.

Toilet Bowles is garbage. He doesn't have it. His decision making is poor and reeks of extreme conservatism. This is not the coach to lead us anywhere.

 

[Kiddnets]

Not a shock to read this....what an epic fall....

A confidant of Darrelle Revis told Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News that Revis "doesn't want to play anymore."
"He's done," the confidant told Mehta. "If he had his way, he'd be done right now. He doesn't want to play anymore. He's made a lot of money." If true, it would be quite a reversal from this summer when Revis said he would play "until the wheels fall off." Well the wheels have already fallen off as the once-dominant corner has been a huge liability in the Jets' secondary this year. Revis recently admitted that he feels "old" while ESPN's Rich Cimini believes the Jets will move on from him this offseason. Revis Island is nearing its end in East Rutherford

 

[TLEF316]

So yeah...I'm guessing Penn State going to the Rose Bowl the year after he left doesn't bode well for Hackenberg. (consider the "awful team he was playing for" was the main excuse given for all his terrible habits)

 

[Team Smokin']

Fitz to Marshall again? Trending upwards for at least now? Is Marshall being back to fantasy relevant again? Thinking of playing Marshall > Cooper. Cooper has been a low end WR #2 lately.

 

[Fariq]

Pretty good

 

[LBH]

I guess I must have posted in the 2015 thread but this showing by the Jets has been embarrassing. Glad to see Petty getting some playing time though. I think it's overdue 

 

[Fariq]

Barring injury, Petty will start the rest of the season.

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

If your team shows up with the kind of focus, effort and complete lack of discipline like the Jets did tonight, you should be given your walking papers before you get in the car.  Where is the leadership?  On national television / Monday night no less.  I can not even see a shred of pride out there.  What a total embarrassment to the organization.

 

[NYRAGE]

Emotionally I've been numb since about week 5. Unfortunately so have the players. 

Such an embarrassing effort. Wilk, Fitz, Richardson, etc. The Jets need to clean house starting with Toilet Bowles and his coordinators.  What a train-wreck. 

 

[zamboni]

This is basically wash, rinse and repeat for us long time Jets fans. Show some modicum of success but with no playoff run to show for it, then see it all fall apart dreadfully, and rebuild from scratch.

Most of us thought the team (primarily Fitz) played over its head last year, but I didn't see this bad of a collapse so soon.

At this point, I'd rather the team play Hackenberg than Petty. Petty strikes me as backup fodder at best long term, while the team can't know yet what they have with Hackenberg. At least by playing Hackenberg as well, the team can decide how aggressively they want to go after a QB either in free agency or in the draft.

 

[Arodin]

Looking to the future, do Jets fans here see any hope for one of the young WRs to earn a meaningful, fantasy-relevant role going forward?

Peake was the draft day darling, but Jalin Marshall seemed to emerge early, get hurt, make way for Robbie Anderson.  Any of these guys seem likely to emerge as capable replacements for Brandon and Decker down the road, or are they just keeping spots warm for future signings?

 

[LBH]

Looking to the future, do Jets fans here see any hope for one of the young WRs to earn a meaningful, fantasy-relevant role going forward?

Peake was the draft day darling, but Jalin Marshall seemed to emerge early, get hurt, make way for Robbie Anderson.  Any of these guys seem likely to emerge as capable replacements for Brandon and Decker down the road, or are they just keeping spots warm for future signings?

I think Enunwa is the WR to own for the Jets in dynasty. After that it's anyone's guess between Anderson, Marshall, and Peake. 

 

[TLEF316]

So wait....the plan going into last night was to start Petty for the rest of the season regardless of what happened last night?

THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT OF STARTING FITZPATRICK LAST NIGHT??!?!?!!?!?!

So instead of giving Petty a full game against a decent team to MAYBE play with an actual game plan (not that it would mattered) they decided to start Fitzpatrick (knowing he was going to be benched next week) and then throw Petty in at the end of a blowout? REALLY???

#### you Toilet Bowles. Moron

 

[Reaper]

Reminder

People thought this was a Win Now Team with a Window..... We NEEDED Fitz.

 

[Reaper]

So wait....the plan going into last night was to start Petty for the rest of the season regardless of what happened last night?

THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT OF STARTING FITZPATRICK LAST NIGHT??!?!?!!?!?!

So instead of giving Petty a full game against a decent team to MAYBE play with an actual game plan (not that it would mattered) they decided to start Fitzpatrick (knowing he was going to be benched next week) and then throw Petty in at the end of a blowout? REALLY???

#### you Toilet Bowles. Moron

Reads to me like ppl thought Fitz gave them the best chance to not get embarrassed....

Fitz, Butt-Screwed everyone till the last drop with his "Best Chance" ####

But,that's what the people wanted.

 

[Reaper]

Weird thing about Fitz tho is this......  If you did think fitz was servicable and Win Now based on "records' or things the team did in 2015...

Where he had some "success" was 1) Getting rid of the ball FAST - this helped the OL and negated pass rush

2) Throwing up "jump" ball 50/50 shots to Marshall and others.... Some of which looked like he used every ounce of muscle to heave a 40 yard pass...

THAT is what people bet on from last year... Jump balls, Miracle balls...

WELL, where were those ALL YEAR?????????  That's how he set "records" granted VS bad teams but, still, you look at the tape from last year it was Snap the Ball, 1-2 Get rid of it - Jump Ball - PRAISE JESUS....

You can't get Miracles and Magic if you don't even throw Hail Mary's any more.....

The ONE thing that made the man a Hold Out, demanding Starter Money guy.. the ONE thing he "succeeded" at, they barely did this year.

WTF????

 

[Bronco Billy]

Well, Marshall's value is shot. Looks like Anderson is the WR to own, and only that because of the blinders that Petty has on that gives Anderson massive target numbers. 

Petty looked like a DIll QB last night. 

 

[mphtrilogy]

sigh...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is basically wash, rinse and repeat for us long time Jets fans. Show some modicum of success but with no playoff run to show for it, then see it all fall apart dreadfully, and rebuild from scratch.

Most of us thought the team (primarily Fitz) played over its head last year, but I didn't see this bad of a collapse so soon.

At this point, I'd rather the team play Hackenberg than Petty. Petty strikes me as backup fodder at best long term, while the team can't know yet what they have with Hackenberg. At least by playing Hackenberg as well, the team can decide how aggressively they want to go after a QB either in free agency or in the draft.

It would actually be unconventional (but who cares?) - but they should actually split first team reps in practice and then play Petty one half and Hack the other half these last four games and see what they have.

I actually think Petty has a fairly impressive skill set, but not sure he's a franchise type QB either. I think with some refinement he could be an average type NFL starting QB at least.

 

[Fariq]

Well, Marshall's value is shot. Looks like Anderson is the WR to own, anlastly thwithecause of the blinders  that Pett y has on that gives Anderson massive target numbers. 

Petty looked like a DIll QB last night. 

Backup quarterbacks get no reps in practice these days due to the CBA and the Colts flooded the zones last night with DBs due to the huge lead. One could have easily predicted some INTs. Petty may not be any good but last night was not the night to cast judgment. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

Backup quarterbacks get no reps in practice these days due to the CBA and the Colts flooded the zones last night with DBs due to the huge lead. One could have easily predicted some INTs. Petty may not be any good but last night was not the night to cast judgment. 

I'll choose to disagree based upon the decisions he was making, his inability to do anything than lock on a primary target, and his alarming lack of accuracy. There are some things that are fundamental to QB play at the NFL level that Petty showed little to no ability in.  But I understand the desire to give him a chance to utterly fail just to be sure. 

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[Fariq]

I may share the same opinion by this time next week. I just don't like to rip any quarterback before he ever was given one week of practice as "the man."

 

[Kiddnets]

sorry for the length but need extra therapy this am....

Ashamed to say I was at that disaster last pm.....there are games that are known as "coach killer games" - this is one of them.....as a Jet fan for 40 years I have seen some awful teams and terrible effort in games....so for me to say this is the worst game ever witnessed that is something....the team is a reflection of the coach...Kotite's team won 4 games in 2 yrs then with not a lot of new players magically jumped to 9 wins then an AFC championship game appearance under Parcells....did they learn how to play all of a sudden?  It's coaching....the player have quit and gave zero effort last pm on national TV...they were crushed by a mediocre team where receivers had time to scan the field forever, not believing a defender was nowhere near to make a play....there are a bunch of players playing like crap but I refuse to believe there is no talent here - there are a bunch of 1st rd picks on that D that are good....Marshall, Forte..this is not a 3-9 team.....however Bowles has lost this team and he not only should be fired but it should happen this week.  

Th stadium was half empty with tickets going for $5 in prime spots....every play was met with disgust, dismay and boos....the fact that this happened on national TV is unreal....to imagine that there are 2 more home games with another being on national TV is even more amazing...there is no more debate in my mind...Bowles must go...you can talk about how its not good to change coaches/GMs every 2 rs but thats not a good argument to keep a bad one thats not working....

Any NY fans who listened to Joe B this am - he's a hyperactive crazy fan but I agree with him on one big point....this is as bad as Kotite and that's saying something....a change is not only needed but business needs to be changed as well...they must have a head of football operations with experience and a HC that has experience as well....this chasing the hot coordinator has not worked for the Jets... Bowles is gone...if there is a candidate worthy of all the power then I'd dump MAc too - otherwise give Mac a chance to do a full rebuild right and stop the be competitive while rebuild crap...some names brought up

Harbaugh - hail mary - he should stay in college forever - but if he has an ego to win in the NFL then bring a dump truck full of cash and power and beg him to save the franchise  

Cower/Gruden - hail mary - dont think either would leave their cushy TV gigs but if either is up for one more challenge - back up the truck and hand over the keys.

Saban - long shot but possible - supposedly was interested in the Giants last yr for a ridiculous salary - if thats what it takes grab him...I know he had a bad 1st run but he is a winner with HC experience which would help him this time around.  

Coughlin - very possible - guy clearly doesnt like being forced out of the Giants - would love to stick it to them with the Jets....let's stop acting like 70 yrs old is too old to run a franchise or coach...give him 4 yrs to turn htis thing around and set up a transition...team would at least be professional and give effort.  

See who shakes out this year - Maybe McCarthy gets fired....would consider Kyle Shanahan as an exemption to former coach with experience based on his family roots, offensive background.....

Any way you shake it there needs to be a new HC and depending who it is Mac could be collateral damage.....while I am willing to give Mac more time his record, especially drafting, is not looking good...besides L Williams which was a no brainer it's pretty bad. 

Bring out the hammer Woody....show some guts and fire Bowles this week...or else you deserve every bit of the horror show which is going to be the last 2 home games.  

 

[massraider]

I hope Bowles isn't gone, I doubt he will.  Woody Johnson is a very nice guy, it doesn't seem like a move he makes.

They need to fix the locker room. Build around a young QB, and move on from Fitz.

Never should have given Wilkerson that deal, but whatever.

 

[Reaper]

I'll choose to disagree based upon the decisions he was making, his inability to do anything than lock on a primary target, and his alarming lack of accuracy. There are some things that are fundamental to QB play at the NFL level that Petty showed little to no ability in.  But I understand the desire to give him a chance to utterly fail just to be sure. 

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Didn't you Stan for Fitzpatrick this offseason - as Fitz or Bust...

Who, for over 10 years has shown "his inability to do anything than lock on a primary target, and his alarming lack of accuracy"

 

[RUSF18]

I'll choose to disagree based upon the decisions he was making, his inability to do anything than lock on a primary target, and his alarming lack of accuracy. There are some things that are fundamental to QB play at the NFL level that Petty showed little to no ability in.  But I understand the desire to give him a chance to utterly fail just to be sure. 

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That first overthrow to Anderson was a red flag, IMO. You could see as soon as the ball came out that there was absolutely no touch on it. An NFL QB sees a WR streaking free like that and allows his guy to run into it. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

Didn't you Stan for Fitzpatrick this offseason - as Fitz or Bust...

Who, for over 10 years has shown "his inability to do anything than lock on a primary target, and his alarming lack of accuracy"

Yep I did. Fitz trusts his best receivers and gives them an opportunity to make plays. Sometimes it works out, other times it doesn't. The Jets decided to rein in his gunslinging this year, which is one of his best attributes even while being a weakness at times also. 

That doesn't preclude that there is a wide gap between Fitz and Petty. Petty looks completely overwhelmed and dumbfounded, and his solution is to try to repeatedly throw over the top to a lesser weapon without even remotely trying to look off the D. Even when the ball keeps bouncing off the guy's hands the few times he manages to get it there.  That's high school stuff. 

Are you going to make the argument that Petty is a better option than Fitz?

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[zamboni]

I suppose the one silver lining/good move that Maccagnan made was holding firm and not offering Fitzpatrick more than a one-year deal after Fitz was looking for Osweiler-type money. That's about where the positives end - we've got aging players at all of the skill positions (Fitz, Marshall, Forte, Decker), on the OL and in the secondary.

Good times.

 

[Fariq]

Decker is in the prime of his career. The others you mentioned are towards the end

 

[Dr. Octopus]

That doesn't preclude that there is a wide gap between Fitz and Petty. Petty looks completely overwhelmed and dumbfounded, and his solution is to try to repeatedly throw over the top to a lesser weapon without even remotely trying to look off the D. Even when the ball keeps bouncing off the guy's hands the few times he manages to get it there.  

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There's a wide gap between a ten year veteran and a guy seeing his first NFL action in his second NFL season?

I'm honestly not necessarily expecting great things from Petty, but from a skillset perspective (arm strength, size, mobility) he fits the bill - but of course there's far more than that to succeeding at this level. He played well in the preseason so I'm willing to cut a guy, that has seen very few practices reps and was then thrust into a pretty poor situation in his first extended real game experience, some slack. Under those circumstances, I think he'd naturally feel comfortable throwing to a guy he likely teamed up with on the scout team all season. This is why we need to see him over the last quarter of the season, to see if he's a legit starting option in the future and adequate back-up level player or a guy that's just going to flounder.

 

[Reaper]

Yep I did. Fitz trusts his best receivers and gives them an opportunity to make plays. Sometimes it works out, other times it doesn't. The Jets decided to rein in his gunslinging this year, which is one of his best attributes even while being a weakness at times also. 

That doesn't preclude that there is a wide gap between Fitz and Petty. Petty looks completely overwhelmed and dumbfounded, and his solution is to try to repeatedly throw over the top to a lesser weapon without even remotely trying to look off the D. Even when the ball keeps bouncing off the guy's hands the few times he manages to get it there.  That's high school stuff. 

Are you going to make the argument that Petty is a better option than Fitz?

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Nope - My Argument was always that Fitz is a useless bum and a waste of time. 

IMO my team just wasted 2 seasons and valuable cap space...  Both he and Revis going to count against next year's cap Regardless.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Nope - My Argument was always that Fitz is a useless bum and a waste of time. 

IMO my team just wasted 2 seasons and valuable cap space...  Both he and Revis going to count against next year's cap Regardless.

His performance this year?  I'll concede that. Fitz has sucked. 

 

[Kiddnets]

Decker is in the prime of his career. The others you mentioned are towards the end

and even he is a big question mark coming off shoulder and hip surgery

Honestly besides Leo Williams there isn't one player I would be upset at if they were cut or shipped out......Sheldon's value is probably a 3rd or 4th rd pick at this point.  

 

[Kiddnets]

Some interesting salary notes - Jets right up against the cap for next yr but with some easy cuts - should be able to clear $35M pretty easy and even more by 2018....the key is no more big ticket overpriced 30yr old FA...invest in younger less expensive FAs with upside...no more back page splash...it never works...time to build from ground up -

Revis - $10M - I think he comes back for the $6M guaranteed but still saves $10M

Clady - $10M - see ya

Mangold - $9M - I think he comes back if he takes a big pay cut....maybe at $6M like Revis which saves $3M...he's old but a big leader in the locker  room

Harris - $6M - been a good run

Breno - $4M - no brainer

Folk - $2.5 - why have an overpriced kicker when rebuilding  

On the bubble - 

Sheldon - $8.5M cleared if traded

Decker - $5M if cut - $8.75 too much for him - candidate for a paycut and return

Skrine and Gilchrist - saves about $7M cutting them both 

 

[Anarchy99]

It seems like yesterday that the Jets were saying the Patriots would be looking up at them once Brady got off suspension and this was the year that NE was ripe for the picking. Not looking to mix it up with Jets fans, but they went off the tracks pretty quickly this year 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It seems like yesterday that the Jets were saying the Patriots would be looking up at them once Brady got off suspension and this was the year that NE was ripe for the picking. Not looking to mix it up with Jets fans, but they went off the tracks pretty quickly this year 

It seems like that never actually happened. Please provide links to anyone saying that or you are just looking "to mix it up with Jets fans".

Did Brady's suspension theoretically present an opportunity for the rest of the division? sure - but I didn't see anyone crowing about it. In fact I (and most other Jet fans) consistently said they'd be 3-1 or 2-2 at worst without Brady while also pointing out how brutal the Jets schedule was to start the season.

....and, yes, of course this season was a disaster for the Jets. There's no denying that, but even with that some people realized this season's schedule was far more difficult than last seasons and that Fitz had the potential to turn back into a pumpkin.