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As a matter of protocol doesn't Davis need approval from the league (just as a formality)?
Ya know, like that dog an donkey show Kroenke put on...
Ya know, like that dog an donkey show Kroenke put on...
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2016 Oakland Raiders thread (1 Viewer)
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Better than LA, SD, or SA. He'll I think I like LV better than Sac...If they couldn't get it done in Oakland.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Yes, in January the league will come together and vote on if the Raiders can move to LV or not. They need 24 of the 32 owners to vote yes for the move. I believe that Jones, Kraft, Kroenke, and McNair are all in favor of them moving there. Obviously Kroenke doesn't wan't Raiders in LA and Jones and McNair don't want the Raiders in Texas (San Antonio).
RaiderBones
Footballguy
CSNAuthentic @CSNAuthentic 3h3 hours ago
Mark Davis thanks Nevada for approving stadium plan 'that will serve as a proud new home' for #Raiders http://bit.ly/2dQjMvl
Mark Davis thanks Nevada for approving stadium plan 'that will serve as a proud new home' for #Raiders http://bit.ly/2dQjMvl
Chaka
Footballguy
I believe that ultimately the league could not stop the team from moving (didn't Irsay just roll up the moving vans in '84?) but yes it would be much better if they did it on the up-and-up.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/10/13/the-nfl-standard-slow-and-sudden-the-variation-of-pace-by-amari-cooper/?utm_content=buffer0cab6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Amari has got the pace variation. Hope he can lock down sideline awareness next
Amari has got the pace variation. Hope he can lock down sideline awareness next
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Going back even further when Al moved to LA he sued for the right to move and won IIRC. So the other owners' approval is a formality, but playing by the "game" Davis may get more league money.Chaka said:
joey
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd love for this to not be a "renegade" kind of move and have it all done on the up and up. Feels nice to finally be a modern organization when it comes to football operations, player evaluatoin, free agency, drafting, etc. it would be nice to get away from the Raiders always looking to throw the middle finger at the league.
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Carr's worst game of the season. He seems to be getting more erratic as the season unfolds. And very poor decisions today.
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Both KC CBs missed big parts of this game in 2nd half and we barley went after the replacements.
Put this one down to coaching. Big division game and we come out flat on D again and Carr making poor decisions.
At least Sooper Cooper went to work on his feet and it has paid off
Put this one down to coaching. Big division game and we come out flat on D again and Carr making poor decisions.
At least Sooper Cooper went to work on his feet and it has paid off
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
1-2 at home now. Contenders don't have losing home records.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I think we all knew that the Raiders were not yet in the top tier of the NFL. The O has to win the games. The D is awful. Still think it is coaching and not talent at this point.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I think we all knew that the Raiders were not yet in the top tier of the NFL. The O has to win the games. The D is awful. Still think it is coaching and not talent at this point.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Is Norton going to be on the hot seat again? The guy has such a great pedigree as a player (3 rings) and a coach (one ring), proven LB coach at college and NFL level, but may simply not have the chops yet to full out coordinate effectively.
Maybe JDR has a bit of the rose-tinted glasses for Norton given that they went to war together for a few years as LBs on Dallas -- but may be time to put personal relations aside and get someone who can shape this raw talented D into something effective on the field, with more creativity and schemes to leverage the best out of his players.
Maybe JDR has a bit of the rose-tinted glasses for Norton given that they went to war together for a few years as LBs on Dallas -- but may be time to put personal relations aside and get someone who can shape this raw talented D into something effective on the field, with more creativity and schemes to leverage the best out of his players.
32 Counter Pass
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Or maybe JDR doesn't want to expose the secondary with blitzing. We dont know. But at least others are now posting what I have been advocating for several weeks: more ceativity to the defensive schemes.
To the defense's credit they did have a goalline stand and several key stops in the second half. Unfortunately Carr left his game at home today.
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kaso
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That was ugly. In all facets of the game, both sides of the ball... coaching, performance, field conditions, etc. You name it it wasn't good. Early reports from JDR gives me some hope that it will be used as a point of reflection and not turn into a blame game of any sort.
Next up two east coast games where the Raiders will stay out east, followed by a Thursday night division game.
Next up two east coast games where the Raiders will stay out east, followed by a Thursday night division game.
Chaka
Footballguy
Really, really rough road schedule to open the season btw. Five of eight on the road and all eastern time zone.
The second half looks better from that perspective but three of the last four are roadies. Although SD is typically a neutral site game for Oakland and depending on how the stadium vote goes in November (and if the Chargers are tanking) it could be a true home game for Oakland.
The second half looks better from that perspective but three of the last four are roadies. Although SD is typically a neutral site game for Oakland and depending on how the stadium vote goes in November (and if the Chargers are tanking) it could be a true home game for Oakland.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 36m36 minutes ago
Mark Davis said...the "Raiders and Las Vegas just seem to fit". He went on to say, "I'd like to call it home right now."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 32m32 minutes ago
Mark Davis response to will the Raiders move to Las Vegas in a few years... "I'd like to call it home right now. We'll see.It's a process."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 20m20 minutes ago
Mark Davis said, "I've already made a commitment to the Governor of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 15m15 minutes ago
Mark Davis said if the Raiders move is approved,"We would continue to play in Oakland while we're building a Stadium in Las Vegas."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 13m13 minutes ago
Mark Davis says if everything works out, a 2020 season in Las Vegas sounds reasonable.
Mark Davis said...the "Raiders and Las Vegas just seem to fit". He went on to say, "I'd like to call it home right now."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 32m32 minutes ago
Mark Davis response to will the Raiders move to Las Vegas in a few years... "I'd like to call it home right now. We'll see.It's a process."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 20m20 minutes ago
Mark Davis said, "I've already made a commitment to the Governor of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 15m15 minutes ago
Mark Davis said if the Raiders move is approved,"We would continue to play in Oakland while we're building a Stadium in Las Vegas."
Henry Wofford @HenryWoffordCSN · 13m13 minutes ago
Mark Davis says if everything works out, a 2020 season in Las Vegas sounds reasonable.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
that game was horrible to watch. so predictable on both sides of the ball the coaching was awful imho. the offense was so predictable! i would say my buddy and i guessed the play calls at about a 65% rate, from my living room. the d was awful. i really hope this is an outlier and not a regression to past.
LawFitz
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RaiderBones
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Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 2h2 hours ago Houston, TX
Talked to Mark Davis, who made clear: He's not going to talk with Oakland. Made a commitment to Nevada gov. Full speed Vegas for #Raiders.
Talked to Mark Davis, who made clear: He's not going to talk with Oakland. Made a commitment to Nevada gov. Full speed Vegas for #Raiders.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Anybody else disappointed that Karl Joseph has not made more of an impact?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If I were a betting man (which I occasionally am...) I would invest in the Raiders +1. Coming off a brutal loss to the division rival Chiefs and getting a point against the Jags is either a serious gift or a serious trap. Jacksonville has struggled against far less talented teams than this Raiders squad, and that Chiefs game brought a lot of "coachable moments" for Del Rio.
This has the look of a "come to jesus" game for the Raiders - IMO they're going to win by 2 scores. I was pretty surprised to see them getting a point.
This has the look of a "come to jesus" game for the Raiders - IMO they're going to win by 2 scores. I was pretty surprised to see them getting a point.
Garrett
Footballguy
Early stages of his rookie year. The defense in itself is having some scheme issues.
I think he has made some goods plays and adjustments; given the scenario, I'd give it time for the more spectacular plays to come about.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Trips east for 1:00 kickoffs are brutal, and the Raiders have a terrible history in them. A coinflip sounds about right on the line.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it'll do them good to get on the road - stop listening to the local headlines about how great they are. Start listening to their coaches about how hungry they need to be.
They're either going to win this game 31-13 or they're going to get blown out. I don't see anything in between.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
No -- love the fire and the nose for the ball I see from him in every game he's played.
Way more disappointed in Sean Smith and Reggie Nelson not making more of an impact this year.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In IDP Nelson has been excellent for tackles and just got his 1st Int. Been a rock solid DB. Surprised to hear criticism of his on-field play - I haven't been able to watch every game, but in the games I saw he didn't seem to be a huge problem, (though he did miss a big tackle against the Chiefs on a key 3rd down play)....has he really been that bad? I thought he was a great pick-up for the Raiders in the offseason.
I bet Nelson has been excellent fantasy-wise. I don't play anymore (burnout) so I wouldn't know. But in my opinion he's making too many tackles. Most of his tackles are being made 10 yards past the LOS. The front 7 should be making most of those plays before he gets there, but they're not. Reggie's tackles are a reflection of the their poor performance and lack of communication.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That doesn't sound like Reggie Nelson is the problem then? I mean - he is doing his job cleaning up someone else's mess, but it's the defensive line that's allowing runners to bust through and it's also the D-Line not putting enough pressure on the QB so those intermediate passes are successful, no?
Garrett
Footballguy
Taller/larger corners do not age well and they drop off very quickly.
Someone can fact check me, but I think Sean Smith is very close to the same age as Nnamdi Asomugha was when he went over to the Eagles and really started to struggle. I wouldn't be shocked to see a similar transformation from Richard Sherman in a year or two.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
You are correct. So far there have been two long pass plays over the middle (I think one in the Saints game and one in the Falcons game) where I immediately thought Woodson would have intercepted that ball.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
After talking to a friend who's a jags homer, he thought this was a total trap game. Del Rio homecoming, long flight for an early game...
i dunno...I'd think Jack would wanna stick it to his old team.
i like the raiders in this game - to say it's winnable would be an understatement. Jags are improved but IMO this raiders team is much better.
i dunno...I'd think Jack would wanna stick it to his old team.
i like the raiders in this game - to say it's winnable would be an understatement. Jags are improved but IMO this raiders team is much better.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
The thing about the next two weeks that sticks out to me, besides two winnable games, is the TB game they will be essentially doing the WC trip back to TB.
dunno if it was said here but it sounds like the raiders will be in camp like conditions between games. Lock themselves away from distractions and work on the weak part of their game
dunno if it was said here but it sounds like the raiders will be in camp like conditions between games. Lock themselves away from distractions and work on the weak part of their game
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
They are going to stay on east coast after the Jacksonville game: http://www.espn.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/15942/have-the-raiders-solved-their-eastern-time-zone-woes
The Raiders have another East Coast swing in October, but will spend the entire week in Florida after playing at the Jacksonville Jaguars on Oct. 23, and before facing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Oct. 30.
The Raiders have another East Coast swing in October, but will spend the entire week in Florida after playing at the Jacksonville Jaguars on Oct. 23, and before facing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Oct. 30.
Garrett
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm betting there was some colorful language in the locker room after that loss to the Chiefs.
If there's any such thing as a "good loss", that game might be it. Could light a fire under that defense. They've played way below their ability.
Shiuld be a good game regardless.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
God the raiders got a messed up schedule.
Its hard to think it's by accident. I'm no conspiracy guy, but seems like every year they get the worst travel schedule.
Its hard to think it's by accident. I'm no conspiracy guy, but seems like every year they get the worst travel schedule.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
At the very least we got thrown a bone with our request for and getting these roadtrips back to back and close to each other. Do they still count the not existent return trips, while we stay on the EC, in travel miles?
We also lose another home game, how a WC team gets a 'home game' in London is incocievable unless its LA, when we play in Mexico City. Against any other team it might make sense but against the Texans??
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Fantasy points doesn't always indicate sound, consistent on-the-field play. And that's the problem with Nelson this year.
Signed as a high ticket free agent, he has been a see-saw this year, alternating solid games (tackles, creating turnovers) with games where he's muffed coverage, missed tackles, and not played up to his potential -- or to me, expectations.
While many of the defensive woes lie with the guys in the trenches (not being able to bottle up runs up the middle or vanilla scheming that doesn't allow our best players to get to the QB quickly and violently) it's the huge variance in consistency of play that is disappointing in Nelson who, along with Smith, was brought on to being an element of stability and higher level of play to our defensive backfield.
Joseph, on the other hand, looks to me like he is playing his heart out on every down, has a nose like a target-locked missile in that he is around the play more often than not, and shows tons of hustle, grit, and aggression. I never expected the rookie to be a Pro Bowler out the gate, but there is no question to me he;s been way more consistent than his FA acquisition peers.
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