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2017 Raiders - how's the 2018 draft looking? (3 Viewers)
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RaiderBones
Footballguy
Nope. Looks like Bowman is going to way his options and probably sign by Monday.DocHolliday said:
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The phrase used was 'strong mutual interest' I believe.
Also, reportedly there was a deal in place for him to go to the Saints for a 7th round pick. He then asked to be released so he could be a FA and pick where he went.
I hadn't heard the change of heart to where he would accept a diminished role. I wonder if this and going to a new team will fire him up.
He obviously is not the player he use to be but there is no way that he doesn't help our D.
massraider
Footballguy
I wouldn't give Bowman a big deal. One year, 3.5 to 4.2 mil, something like that.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Rumor is that Bowman is set to sign with someone by Monday.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/365778/report-bowman-to-sign-no-later-than-monday
Hope it's with us under a reasonable deal. Wonder if Kraft and the Patriots would be willing to be less stingy with the pocketbook.
ETA: If Patriots are really our competition, that may bode well as that organization has a way of cutting older starters that are cap drains and going with younger talent and trusting the system, rather than making rich FA signings. Then again, though, there's Brandin Cooks.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/365778/report-bowman-to-sign-no-later-than-monday
Hope it's with us under a reasonable deal. Wonder if Kraft and the Patriots would be willing to be less stingy with the pocketbook.
ETA: If Patriots are really our competition, that may bode well as that organization has a way of cutting older starters that are cap drains and going with younger talent and trusting the system, rather than making rich FA signings. Then again, though, there's Brandin Cooks.
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Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Seeing Bowman to visit raiders next week
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
We suck.
Need new coaches.
Need new coaches.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Didn’t watch the game but I am reminded of the Parcell’s line, “you are what your record says you are.” For the Raiders that meanss picking in the top half of the draft next year. I don’t care who they pick, just pick someone in the first round pick that contributes. If that is asking too much, then a round two pick that contributes.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Ugly loss, entire team Top to bottom let this one get away.
These are the games you need to win as a team, let alone a contender - which we clearly aren’t.
These are the games you need to win as a team, let alone a contender - which we clearly aren’t.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Crazy how bad the Raiders are after such a good 2016 season. There is no doubt. This is a bad team.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i feel sick :X
I've been thinking about this lately. I think when Carr went down last season it really exposed a lot of the team's weaknesses and lack of all around talent. I think this team is still in rebuild mode, many of those wins last season could've gone either way.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
As a Giants fan, you don't need to tell me about inability of the D to cover TE's! I think it's been at least 10 years for us.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I just don’t understand Lynch’s lack of touches. He rolled the Charger defense early in the game. But they went away from it. Richard comes in and they start runing plays from a spread formation. It just doesnt make sense to me. Is Lynch pulling himself out? It is so strange.
Defense played pretty well, except for the end of the game. Penalties against the oline killed two promising drives.
Defense played pretty well, except for the end of the game. Penalties against the oline killed two promising drives.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
We weren't as good as our record last year. We won an insane amount of 1 score games. Now we're on the losing end.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
They definitively looked as if they were feeding Lynch early, and were using him most of the way through the third.
You are right, they should have used him more. Beast showed burst and that old school violent churn for more yards.
He dropped a key pass in the third, and the Bolts had a pick off of his hands (we got it back, luckily). Then kind of vanished from the gameplan from there.
Was interesting to see the literal respect the Chargers gave Lynch - helping him up a few times and giving him pats.
@raidergil had the perfect summary, but my notes from the game:
First half was more on Carr, with a terrible INT and the fumble turnover.
The D was stepping up early. Carrie looked great for a change. They gave away a few big 3rd downs, but the D - and King -helped us with field position and allowed use to go into the half with the lead.
The letdown really began at the end of the third, as the D continued to give away huge 3rd downs. @SDJohnny, the call out on Joseph disappearing was spot on. While Mario looked good, Nelson looked useless at times.
Coaches could have done more, but I didn’t think the playcalling was that limiting - maybe not shaking up our nickel D and poor time management if anything.
On O, they were mixing up looks, getting multiple receivers involved, and using the run to successfully set up the pass. O line was opening up holes many times, too. Even used some razzle-dazzle.
In the end, we just couldn’t finish on D, and the old TE coverage bugaboo.
We had them pinned back inside the 10 with 4 mins and the lead. Then the D just crumbled. Joseph whiffed on the ball and let Henry get a huge play. Then Henry gashed us for another putting them in FG range. D just let them walk inside the 10, easy FG for the win.
Cooper was simply fantastic. Great to see him excel amid so much criticism. He deserves it with the effort he showed.
No surprise to anyone that Patterson is a gadget, but he’s really, really fun to watch when he gets it going.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Tom, I disagree with the bolded. After the first two drives, when Lynch was averaging over 6 ypc from Carr taking the ball under center, they went away from the formation and giving the ball to Lynch. Richard came in and they ran plays from the spread. Lynch was used very sparingly the remainder of the first half. Then he was on the field for a few plays from the same formation in the second half, with mixed results.Stompin' Tom Connors said:
It was very strange to watch this unfold, I can only think of three reasonable reasons:
1. They are worried about Lynch wearing down
2. Lynch pulled himself out of the game
3. Dowling prefers to chuck the ball around the yard
#1 does not seem valid at this point because if they do not start winning they will be eliminated soon. #2 is plausible, but I don't see indications of the Lynch tapping out during the game. Thus, #3 seems the most logical reason.
I want to see the Raiders give the ball to Lynch at least 20 carries per game. If they do this, I think everything else will fall into place.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Lynch played on 30 snaps (52%)
Richard played on 17 snaps (29%)
Washington played on 5 snaps (9%)
Lynch obviously played better as both Richard and Washington had negative yards rushing in the game. Richard had 4 targets 3 receptions 27 yards, Washington 1 target 1 reception 10 yards, Lynch had 2 targets 0 receptions.
Richard played on 17 snaps (29%)
Washington played on 5 snaps (9%)
Lynch obviously played better as both Richard and Washington had negative yards rushing in the game. Richard had 4 targets 3 receptions 27 yards, Washington 1 target 1 reception 10 yards, Lynch had 2 targets 0 receptions.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
It isn't the number of snaps I have issue with, it is the plays called. They pounding the chargers and go to a spread formation. WTF? IIRC Lynch had two or three runs from the spread that were stuffed. They also threw the ball to Lynch twice, with one bouncing off his hands and being INT. I do not get it.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Navaroo Bowman to the rescue?
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Good observations and thoughts.
I don't have concrete evidence but I have to think the Raiders do want to conserve Lynch to a degree - he's a 31 with a punishing style of running, and Richard particularly has been able to find success as a literal COP back. Can be hard for a D to adjust from stacking the box and bracing to make/receive the hit to stretching to the corners and being ready to make a play in open space or at the next level past the LOS.
I'm not sure it's a good idea for us to feed the rock to Lynch 20x per game as a rule as opposed to a balanced attack that uses all of our offensive weapons and misdirection that comes from setting up the run.
But in a game where Lynch was finding success like this past weekend? Absolutely keep him in there and well-fed. And capitalize off of what that situation creates. The comment someone made earlier about running play action with Lynch is perfect -- instead he is pulled for Richard, and Ds know what kind of play is coming at them with either Lynch or Richard in the game.
And in a game where we had the lead? Grind, baby grind -- Lynch is perfect as even if he's stopped at the LOS, he still falls forward a yard or two.
To me, the D didn't execute when we needed to in the Charger's last drive, and the O didn't put enough points up to secure the lead. I've said it before, but if we aren't scoring 20 or more with the talent on offense we have, we can expect to lose more than we win given our bend and sometimes break D.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This is awesome news. Great move, Reggie, at a reasonable price. Even @massraider will approve of these terms.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. Luani looked like a ballhawk in the preseason. Not to mention, who was the player who recovered the onside kick by the Titans on the first play of the season? Yep Luani. Let him play!!!
kaso
Footballguy
My only issue with buying into #3 (Dowling prefers to chuck the ball around the yard) is that the Raiders have seemed to abandon the long ball. Read somewhere (didn't take the time to confirm) that the Raiders didn't have a pass attempt over 20 yards yesterday?
ICON211
Footballguy
Lynch is like Adrian Peterson. He needs to get the ball a lot and get into a rhythm and wear a defense down. In the second half the two yard runs become four yard runs and the four yard runs become six yard runs. The way he has been utilized has been extremely disjointed. Not to the same extent because he was almost not used at all, but it's a lot like the Saints with Peterson. If the Raiders weren't going to use Lynch properly then they shouldn't have signed him and just gone spread with Washington and Richard.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Bowman at $3 million? I can't see the downside at this point with us 2-3.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I was going to mention AP as well. The Cards certainly had no intention of saving AP for anything yesterday. They were going for a win. It feels like the Raiders have already forgotten how to win.
kaso
Footballguy
At 2-4, with a laundry list of problems and under-performances... The Raiders face what could be a very ugly run of games...
- all 5 opponents over the next 6 currently have a winning record
The Raiders need to find a means to get back in the win column in a hurry. 16 points is not going to cut it against any of the teams. I think there is a real chance at a bye week coaching change to occur if the Raiders even go 1-2 over the next 3... especially if that one win is an ugly one in nature.
- KC (5-1) on a short week in a Thursday night prime time game.
- Travel to Buffalo (3-2) for an early game.
- Travel to Miami (3-2) for a Sunday night prime time game.
- Bye Week
- New England (4-2) in Mexico.
- Denver (3-2) at home.
- all 5 opponents over the next 6 currently have a winning record
The Raiders need to find a means to get back in the win column in a hurry. 16 points is not going to cut it against any of the teams. I think there is a real chance at a bye week coaching change to occur if the Raiders even go 1-2 over the next 3... especially if that one win is an ugly one in nature.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
This week is probably going to be an ugly loss.
I don't like the Raiders chances in Buffalo but think a W is probably against Miami. Lets just get to the bye and regroup.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
So depressing to see us at the bottom of the division.
Bad flashbacks from the dark eras of 1986-1999 and 2003-2015.
If nothing else, would love to see this team play angry and like they have nothing to lose. Like, Tatum-on-Stingley, Lassiter-on-Namath, Atkinson-on-Swann type of angry. Because given where we are, we may indeed not have anything to lose.
Bad flashbacks from the dark eras of 1986-1999 and 2003-2015.
If nothing else, would love to see this team play angry and like they have nothing to lose. Like, Tatum-on-Stingley, Lassiter-on-Namath, Atkinson-on-Swann type of angry. Because given where we are, we may indeed not have anything to lose.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think that that was by design. My guess is three reasons. 1) To protect Carr with short/quick passes so he didn't get sacked/hit. 2) He isn't 100% and throwing long has to hurt and he may not be effective with them right now as he is healing. 3) Keep Carr from getting hit.
LawFitz
Footballguy
If they roll over tonight, I'd like to see Del Rio punted asap. So dumb giving him that new contract after just one good year. :smdh:
Elevate Pagano to interim HC and pull Norval Turner off the couch to advise Downing for the remainder of the season.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Downing and Norton should go. I’d give Del Rio a little more rope (not much though, and dumping his coordinators puts him on notice) - he’s always been way more of a motivator than a tactician so he may be able to light a fire under this team with the right playcalling.
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