DocHolliday
Footballguy
A new OC and DC is an absolute must. I have a feeling that I will not have to watch the game after halftime tonight. The outcome should be perfectly clear by then.
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2017 Raiders - how's the 2018 draft looking? (2 Viewers)
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BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Weebs210
Footballguy
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
I don't really care what happens the rest of the season, obviously a lie, BUT crushing KC for a change would put a skip in my step for quite some time
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Lets hope they have dug up last years playbook and inserted parts of that tonight
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Can Carr just pass to Crabs every time? Only guy that isn't eating buttered popcorn on the sideline.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
HAs it been raining all night?
gotta teach these guys how to keep there hands/gloves dry
not that hard
gotta teach these guys how to keep there hands/gloves dry
not that hard
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Cold Dead Hands
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ICON211
Footballguy
Supposedly Lynch has left the building. Can't come running off the sideline and shouldn't leave the stadium after you've been ejected. Lynch signing seemed like a good idea, but they haven't been using him and he was barely in tonight before getting ejected. Might just be better to move forward with Washington and Richard and let Carr do his thing from here on out this year.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I am confident he will get a suspension. My guess is two games. If he does get the suspension, It will be interesting to see how the offense plays with him not in the lineup at all.ICON211 said:
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I was pretty shocked 3 of the 5 pre-game hosts picked us to win that game - Faulk, Irvin, and Cowher.
Season still alive as long as we have Carr. Uphill but only 2 games out with a lot left to play. 9-7 certainly in play, outside chance of 10-6. Need the running game to start pulling its weight to take some pressure off of him. Man we have GOT to get our secondary solved. It's time to cut someone and bring in a street body. Put some fear and urgency into people. Can you fire defensive coaches after a win?
10 days to enjoy this one, and I'm gonna soak every one of them in.
Season still alive as long as we have Carr. Uphill but only 2 games out with a lot left to play. 9-7 certainly in play, outside chance of 10-6. Need the running game to start pulling its weight to take some pressure off of him. Man we have GOT to get our secondary solved. It's time to cut someone and bring in a street body. Put some fear and urgency into people. Can you fire defensive coaches after a win?
10 days to enjoy this one, and I'm gonna soak every one of them in.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Congrats on the win Raiders fans and thanks for a very entertaining game.
Nice to see Cooper come alive tonight although he did make some mistakes as well.
Bowman definitely helped.
Nice to see Cooper come alive tonight although he did make some mistakes as well.
Bowman definitely helped.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
My head hurts so much from watching this game i forgot that we just beat KC!
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
One of the best wins this franchise has seen in a long time.
Season-saving win in the Hole against a hated rival. So good seeing Cooper get some juice back.
We won on will alone. Certainly not our ground game that Lynch chose not to be a part of. Not because of our atrocious secondary. Not because of the inexcusable and ongoing drops by all the WRs.
We’re still very much a team on the brink. Carr does not look right - I bet he’s only 88% back from the transverse fracture. His long ball was wobbly with way too much air under it. We’re an absolute sieve outside of Mack.
But man did we bring it. Cement truck hits. Playing angry and ornery. And refusing to lose.
Was such a magical night. Here’s to our band of scoundrel plunderers using this huge and deserved win to turn their leaky Corsair around and fighting tooth, claw, and nail for the rest of their season.
Season-saving win in the Hole against a hated rival. So good seeing Cooper get some juice back.
We won on will alone. Certainly not our ground game that Lynch chose not to be a part of. Not because of our atrocious secondary. Not because of the inexcusable and ongoing drops by all the WRs.
We’re still very much a team on the brink. Carr does not look right - I bet he’s only 88% back from the transverse fracture. His long ball was wobbly with way too much air under it. We’re an absolute sieve outside of Mack.
But man did we bring it. Cement truck hits. Playing angry and ornery. And refusing to lose.
Was such a magical night. Here’s to our band of scoundrel plunderers using this huge and deserved win to turn their leaky Corsair around and fighting tooth, claw, and nail for the rest of their season.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
I like that on the last few drives we had Carr was taking way shorter drops stepping up into the pocket to create more time/space to pass
i haven't seen that before that I can recall
worked nicely
i haven't seen that before that I can recall
worked nicely
Hankmoody
Footballguy
So, is it fair to look at things like this: 3-1 this year with a fully healthy Carr (assuming he came back a week too early vs. SD)?
Obviously, those losses count, but if they can build on this win and Carr is legitimately back, some noise can be made.... (and of course something is done with the secondary)
Obviously, those losses count, but if they can build on this win and Carr is legitimately back, some noise can be made.... (and of course something is done with the secondary)
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's a great coaching adjustment. Tackles struggling, let the defender "beat" them around the edge then funnel them deep. Guard key is play and we got it.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I was wrong again. I'm not good at football. I thought the Raiders would get crushed by a good KC team. KC has more flaws than I thought and the Raiders have more fight than I thought.
Feels great being wrong. I'm used to being wrong but it normally doesn't feel this good.
Hope someone listened to my Cooper talk and cleaned up last night.
Feels great being wrong. I'm used to being wrong but it normally doesn't feel this good.
Hope someone listened to my Cooper talk and cleaned up last night.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't think it's a suspension, he didn't do anything egregious. He put his hands on the official (you can tell he didn't know who it was, he came from the side and once Lynch realized it he released quickly to move to a Chief) and was penalized appropriately. If he had taken a swing or slammed him, or reacted directly at him in anger, perhaps. But this wasn't that and the penalty fit the crime.
And to the h8ers that gave him crap for leaving the stadium - no, he did the coolest thing possible instead - He watched incognito from the stands!
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Also fixed. I'm just going to refer to them as the Oakland Carrs until further notice.
kaso
Footballguy
A few random thoughts on last nights win...
- Johnnie Holton had a poor game. Got himself in poor position that resulted in a OPI, and then basically played KC DB preventing a Roberts from coming down with a much needed catch.
- Carr played a great game.
- I hated the play call on the 3-10 that resulted in the late hit on Carr. Loved the immediate response from the oline that came to Carr's protection.
- Put me int he camp that Lynch was not solely running out there to protect Carr. Reason being that after he released the ref his focus seemed to be on removing Peters in a polite manner. Peters is from Oakland. I fully believe Lynch's motives were to help his off field friend.
- Lynch will be fined, nearly $31k. 2 game suspension easily. The NFL will take a hard stance to protect their refs against a player who has a lengthy history of doing the bare minimum to play by the league rules.
- How was that not a PI on the DB covering Cook in the endzone, horrible none call.
- Blocked FG was an Smith, missed a blocking assignment.
- I thought D. Washington played a great game. Took advantage of his opportunities and ran with purpose. Would have loved to see him make the catch on the ball that hit him in the hands on the crossing route.
- Off the top of my head, I think there were 5 drops; Cooper x2, Roberts x1, Washington x1, Cook x1
- The missed interception by McGill, on 3rd and long, that ended up as a TD for KC was nearly a back breaker. Happy to see the team did not decide to pack it in after that.
- I really enjoy Tony Romo in the booth.
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kaso
Footballguy
Oh And!.... (yes I just quoted myself... deal with it... hahaha)....
- How about Bowman!? I don't care that he 'lost a step'. He signed about 3 hours before the game (oh I'm exaggerating) and performed right from start. Beat on a couple of plays, sure, if you want to nit-pick. Without him in the lineup, I'm not sure the Raiders win this game. Led the team in tackles, called the defensive plays, made some great plays...
- Loved the play call and execution by Irvin on the last drive by KC where he made sure Kelce didn't have a clean break from the line. Raiders only rushed 3... but the result was the only sack of the game. Where has that been all year?
Chaka
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
Think Lynch was out there as just a peace maker in general and I think he grabbed the ref thinking it was a Chief at first. Regardless, can't come running off the sideline and grabbing a ref.
I have been lukewarm to Romo so far, but thought he was excellent last night, especially highlighting when the Raiders should throw over the middle and when to attack outside.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think Romo has been very impressive particularly as it relates to game plan identification and analysis. He is amazingly accurate at calling what the offense is trying to do and probably right more often than not regarding what the offense should be trying to do.
I can't think of another analyst who really goes into any sort of detail/depth about game planning. It's always something stupid like BILLY JOE JIM BOB'S THREE KEYS TO THE GAME: 1) RUN THE BALL 2) STOP THE RUN ON DEFENSE 3) SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER GUY. BACK TO YOU FREDDY!
GREAT ANALYSIS BILLY JIM BOB JOE JIM!!!
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup. @Hankmoody posted a pic just up thread (https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/921233989192507394)
Such an awesome move after such a bone headed one.
joey
Footballguy
yeah. it was a bone head move. nothing more.
on replay, you can tell that he obviously didn't realize he was holding a ref and let go immediately. heat of the moment and all that jazz.
I didn't mind when it happened since we're not exactly using him to pound the ball much at all, and I like seeing what we have in our 2 young RBs, who I believe could carry this team the whole season, also allowing Olawale a chance to be in the mix more. The Lynch signing didn't add the zing that I was hoping for, especially seeing our odd offensive game plan.
on replay, you can tell that he obviously didn't realize he was holding a ref and let go immediately. heat of the moment and all that jazz.
I didn't mind when it happened since we're not exactly using him to pound the ball much at all, and I like seeing what we have in our 2 young RBs, who I believe could carry this team the whole season, also allowing Olawale a chance to be in the mix more. The Lynch signing didn't add the zing that I was hoping for, especially seeing our odd offensive game plan.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I didn't get a chance to watch Bowman closely, but his numbers sure did look good. I have the game on DVR still and will watch it again with more of an analyst hat on.
And we can complain all we want about the D, but we gave up:
1 long TD - bad D, safety was late
1 long fluke TD - ball tipped right to the WR. DB should have made a better play, but a tipped ball could easily just fall incomplete
1 red zone TD - gonna happen
Then we held 3 other drives to FG's. Maybe getting to be a bend-but-don't-break defense? 1 out of 4 "drives" was a TD. Clean up one S rotation and another tipped ball and that's a 16 point outing? I'm probably reaching for the silver lining here but this wasn't the disaster it could have been with that KCC offense.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I tuned in last night with the mindset that if Dowling doesn’t give Lynch 20 carries they should fire him on the spot. Instead Lynch is ignore and under utilized. He does not touch the ball until 4:17 in the 1st quarter. gaining 6 yards. His next comes at 1:24 left in the 1st quarter for 3 yards. Lynch is ejected with a little over 8 minutes left in the 2nd quarter without another touch in the game. I find this so curious because statistically the Chiefs rank near the bottom in rush defense and the Steelers win the week before also provided a blue print of how to attack the Chiefs defense. Yet the Raiders eschewed the run for the pass. This got me curious about what in Dowling’s past makes him so wedded to throwing the ball around the field.
I think I may have found part of the answer. Dowling spent 4 years with the Lions under Linehan. During that time here are the Lions offensive finishes:
Year Pas Att Rush Att
2009 #6 #31
2010 #3 #24
2011 #1 #31
2012 #1 #25
2013 #5 #14
So Linehan’s influence might explain Dowling’s current offensive approach.
I know that some will say don’t sweat it, we won. That is true, but it took some very good fortune to do so. (If the play to Cook had been ruled correctly on the field I doubt the Raiders would have been able to snap the ball quick enough to even have 9 seconds left, as one example of good fortune.) Regardless, I do not think this approach is sustainable given the nature of the defense. I also find it strange that they continue to emphasize the pass despite JDR expressing a desire to run more.
BTW, the title change makes it very hard to find the thread. Please add back to Official Raiders to the title.
I think I may have found part of the answer. Dowling spent 4 years with the Lions under Linehan. During that time here are the Lions offensive finishes:
Year Pas Att Rush Att
2009 #6 #31
2010 #3 #24
2011 #1 #31
2012 #1 #25
2013 #5 #14
So Linehan’s influence might explain Dowling’s current offensive approach.
I know that some will say don’t sweat it, we won. That is true, but it took some very good fortune to do so. (If the play to Cook had been ruled correctly on the field I doubt the Raiders would have been able to snap the ball quick enough to even have 9 seconds left, as one example of good fortune.) Regardless, I do not think this approach is sustainable given the nature of the defense. I also find it strange that they continue to emphasize the pass despite JDR expressing a desire to run more.
BTW, the title change makes it very hard to find the thread. Please add back to Official Raiders to the title.
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joey
Footballguy
totally agree on the thread title but I'm anal retentive. I'd prefer it just said **Official 2017 Raiders thread** and never changed, but that's just boring old me.
running game...cool insights on Dowling's background. But I did find it odd that we seemed to have longer stints of trying to focus on the run in the 2nd half after Lynch was out of the game. Or maybe I just noticed it more because of the Lynch ejection. Washington was getting super pumped when he had some hard-fought gains on the ground. Still surprised that, with that O-line, we don't try to beat people up a bit more.
ETA: and how about that GREAT 2nd and 3rd effort by Washington to score on the goal line. That gets the offensive line pumped to keep running the ball....but we don't. odd.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Solid post, @kaso, and solid addendum. Like you, loved to see the nastiness come back to our O-line and us stepping up to get in opposing players' faces when Carr needs defending, before, during, or after a whistle.
Interesting take on Lynch's motivation, but regardless of why he did it, he simply shouldn't have. I love the guy, but he will get what he deserves. We definitely could have used him last night as I think the first time we got the ball on the two, before we had to score 4 straight TDs until one of them stuck, Lynch could have just run it in and ended the game. The question whether Downing would put him in there at that time is valid, though.
To that end, I believe how they are handling Lynch is a mistake. He doesn't seem to need to be protected from wearing down in-game, but that's almost how they are treating him in terms of frequency of use. Also don't think it's a factor of running Lynch more heavily in the last two Qs than the first two as opposing D's get tired (another valid approach I'd love to see us do). While he isn't as speedy, that was never his game, and he's just as violent of a runner as he was with the Hawks, so "old and lost a step" doesn't cut it.
It just may be the Raiders feel they have 3 great backs they should use through all games. Even if that was the case, would like to see us shove Lynch down D's throats if that's what is working, last last week vs SD. But we didn't. Lynch's usage is really puzzling to me.
re: PI no-call vs Cook -- refs were blowing it equally on both sides of the ball (though was fun to hear the KC fans whine about how one-sided it was in the game thread). I thought the refs could have called a MUCH tighter game. But also respect the fact that they seemed to blow calls equally against both teams (even if that wasn't purposeful) or that they may have been just letting the players play -- which is refreshing in todays NFL if it was purposeful in that way.
Good call-out on Washington's solid game, great to see him effective; agree that it was good to see the team come back from a demoralizing fluke TD and win the game in general; loving Romo in the booth too; great props call-out to Bowman who looked fine out there with only a few days' prep.
Sometimes, Mack and Carr and Cooper carry a game, like they did last night. It was a team effort, but great to see our Triple Threats step up and deliver together.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Oh, and special props to Mack who, at 6'3 250, put Eric Fisher -- at 6'7 315 -- on his rear and made him look like a rag doll.
All with one arm.
All with one arm.
Chaka
Footballguy
That was a remarkable play to watch. Glad Romo queued it up for replay.
Still the d-line is not generating enough consistent pressure overall. The D in general is such a disappointment this year.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I was actually thinking about that a bit ago and planning on changing it, so that works out well. FYI there's a pinned post on page 1 that a bunch of us have revamped and updated that has this post indexed along with a bunch of other teams' threads.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Goddamit. I could only get the game in spanish which was not a problem but the Audio was 10seconds ahead of the video so i watched the game in silence
except for all the celebrating and cursing followed by celebrating and cursing screaming for flags and celebrating and celebrating and cursing
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
So is this game worthy of a name like so many others played by this franchise?
Chaka
Footballguy
I call it the "YES!! ####!!! YES!! ####!!! YES!! ####!!! YES!! ####!!! #### YEAH!!!!" game.
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