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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (2 Viewers)
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CletiusMaximus
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The Khris Middleton noise is getting pretty loud. Still nothing official but several decent sources are reporting he has a grade 2 sprain and won’t play against the Celtics.
Kev4029
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Capella said:
A total bargain as compared to Will Barton.
Once (if?) Murray and Porter are back next season, he'll be relegated to the forth or fifth option offensively and he'll be fine. Maybe overpaid, but a fantastic fit for his role. Being the second best player on a playoff team is a big stretch for him.
Jayrod
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Game 1 is set for Sunday at 1:00 EST.CletiusMaximus said:
As great as Giannis is, Middleton is their "get a bucket when we need it" guy. Jrue can handle that to an extent, but his offense seems like an afterthought for the Bucks most of the time. When Giannis tries to go 1 on 4, it doesn't usually work out well (which was their go-to for a long time until they realized it just doesn't work in playoff time).
This series is going to be electric. I really have no idea which way it will go and could see it going either way, even with Middleton out. Giannis is clearly the best player in the series and their team defense will be great, but Boston will have everyone available and is playing great basketball on both ends.
Barring injury, I don't see either team being swept or losing in 5. If Boston gets rolling on offense, their defense stifles the Bucks and Budenholzer has no answers, the Celtics could roll through them in 6. But if Giannis plays great and the Celtics struggle on offense, I could see a dogfight that the Bucks win in 6. Likely goes 7 games, which means everyone wins.
gruecd
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Not entirely surprising judging by the big honking brace he was wearing last night.CletiusMaximus said:
That said, I do think Grayson, Playoff Pat, and Bobby Bifocals can get it done. Yes, Khris averaged 20ppg this year, but it's not like it was consistent. I also anticipate a big Giannis series. He's gonna play bully ball with these guys. Either way, it's gonna be a fun one.
Nathan R. Jessep
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Jayrod
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I'd love it if they all went 7 games. Rooting for all of the lower-seed, home teams tonight and tomorrow!Pels by 7 tonight. Game 7, we comin'!
scorchy
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I bought game 7 tix for Philly/Toronto before the series started hoping I wouldn't have to use them - it was the only home date in the first round that my son and I could make work (can't really drive up from B-more on a school night). Now I'm downright dreading the possibility of going to Philly on Saturday. It would be one thing if it had been a back-and-forth series, but a potential historic collapse isn't something I feel the need to see a person, and a win would feel more like relief than anything.
wikkidpissah
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a small begging point, but one nonetheless. Nugs Gordon, Barton and Morris have been drastically recast by injury into roles they're not suited for. Gordon was traded for because MPJ was rapidly proving to be a Greek statue with a great shot, so the Nuggets needed a guy who knew & could do all the other forward jobs. Because the Magic had used Gordon everywhere, he could cover that without being relied on to shoot, which he does poorly cuz he never sets the same way twice in a row.Capella said:
Morris is a near ideal backup PG. Works hard & smart, keeps the flow. The only thing he dont do is usage, creativity. Barton is a guy every team wants - little o' everything, lot o' nuthin, lineup glue.
Not one of these three guys have the skill to be the #2 option, yet they all have been used that way due to Denver injuries. put Murray & MPJ back on the court and Gordon goes back to hustle baskets, Morris keeping minus bench minutes off the board & Barton making a shot here, steal there. If Payton Pritchard had to run the point in Boston or Brandon Clarke had to be #2 option in the Grizzlies offense, they'd be exposed similarly. Tis a shame Joker got no one to share the load, but...
General Malaise
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Capella said:
He had some key moments last night where he kept 2nd chances alive for his team, but yeah, his shooting is....does he need glasses?
General Malaise
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I know! How on earth does this guy go undrafted? He was great at OSU earning accolades on both sides of the ball. You telling me there were 40+ players better than him in the 2016 draft?
Drafts are such an inexact science.
General Malaise
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I'm sure you're right, but it boggles the mind that nobody expected the son of one the NBAs best defensive guards of all time - a kid who was 2x 1st Team Pac 12 & 2x Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year - to be worth a flier on draft night.
Glad I'm not an NBA GM. What a hard job!
General Malaise
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Jayrod
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Frostillicus
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Bob Voulgaris described Minnesota and Memphis as "two teams who play like they're on bath salts" on a podcast I listed to today and it made me laugh.
msudaisy26
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msudaisy26
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Gordon has a role in the league. It is as the 2nd or 3rd guy off the bench that plays defense and brings energy to the game. Those guys make like 10 million a year.
Problem is he was playing on a playoff team as the number 2 option at like 25 million per.
Kev4029
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MPJ has proven to be a lackluster man defender, especially in space, but he's proven to be a good rim protector from the weakside for a forward. He won't be confused with prime Josh Smith, but he averaged a block a game last season. They are a good pair as they cover each other's weaknesses and exploit their strengths.
Regarding Barton - he definitely has the skill set of a guy every team wants because he is a slight plus in pretty much every sense BUT he also plays hero ball too often, was not consistently engaged this season, and if he doesn't touch the ball for a few possessions, he can get antsy and call his own number. He also has the skill profile of high end sixth man type that could help float a second unit, but he's been surprisingly awful in that role for the last few years. If he is still a Nugget next season, I would love for him to be on the bench unit with Bones.
The last couple of playoffs have shown that the Nuggets need another lockdown perimeter defender to help hide Jokic's deficiencies in the pick and roll.
Jayrod
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I think he's a starter, but you utilize him on defense. He's that guy that can get garbage baskets, rebound putbacks and finish on the break offensively, but he is a athletic and high end defender worthy of a starting spot.
Capella
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wikkidpissah
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that's why i reached for a rimrunner as my 2nd pick in our recent Roster Draft - we have yet to see how Joker would work with a twitchy, switchy beanpole as his major domo, but it might be even better than with the pick & pop guys
btw, MPJ has fine gamesense, but damn near the worst feet in the game. aint gonna fix that without tweakin his back over&over&over
the moops
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I think he is slightly better than 2nd or 3rd guy off the bench, but not much. Every DEN game I watch I do marvel at how I do not even notice him
Frostillicus
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Interested to see how this turns out.
msudaisy26
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Booker in tonight. Good news for the Suns. Hope they aren't rushing him back.
msudaisy26
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Doc Rivers has lost 31 games when his team could close out a series. The most of any coach in NBA history.
msudaisy26
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If they keep this up the game is going to be about 170 to 168. I like it.
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Frostillicus
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Most PPG for players 20 and under in the playoffs ALL-TIME: 1. Anthony Edwards: 24.2 PPG 2. Kobe Bryant: 19.8 PPG 3. Derrick Rose: 19.7 PPG
ShamrockPride
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Man, Ayton giving me KG vibes dropping that 17 footer from the elbow. Automatic so far.
mr. furley
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msudaisy26
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Looks like he won 15 of them ( looks like number 16 is coming) and he is 101 and 96.
fred_1_15301
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My son is going to wake up a happy boy tomorrow! He was so pessimistic going into tonight - a true Philadelphian!
Insein
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It's funny I was furious after Monday but then yesterday I was calm about it. Sixers are the better team and as long as they settled down and played they would win.
ShamrockPride
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Pels are dangerous when/if Zion get his butt on the court. That's an impressive young team.
General Malaise
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I don't see it. Zion is cookie dough soft. Put up or shut up on him.
Look at CJ's line tonight. 1 Assist. 3 Rbs. 1-5 from 3. This is what he is. He shrinks in the biggest moments. He is never going to be a dagger in your heart player. Pels are Fool's Gold.
1 Assist. 3 Rebounds. 1-5 from 3. Enjoy CJ.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Suns 
So happy this didn't go 7.
Unpopular opinion but I'd move Zion. Great individual offensive player (on rare occasion he takes the court) but personally don't believe he'll make them a better team. Not to mention he's amazingly already going on year 4. They're on the way up with or without Zion.
Id build around Ingram. They hit lotto with 3 long time NBA contributors in Jones/Alvarado/Murphy.
So happy this didn't go 7.Unpopular opinion but I'd move Zion. Great individual offensive player (on rare occasion he takes the court) but personally don't believe he'll make them a better team. Not to mention he's amazingly already going on year 4. They're on the way up with or without Zion.
Id build around Ingram. They hit lotto with 3 long time NBA contributors in Jones/Alvarado/Murphy.
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Instinctive
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PHOENIX HERE WE COME
Too bad this is a bit early. I'll be out there in 3 weeks, too late to catch a game there.
Luka in postgame "We had low energy, we didn't play very good. We spent the first half bull ####ting around. Oh, sorry. Oops."
Too bad this is a bit early. I'll be out there in 3 weeks, too late to catch a game there.
Luka in postgame "We had low energy, we didn't play very good. We spent the first half bull ####ting around. Oh, sorry. Oops."
Frostillicus
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Home teams down 3 to 2 are due for a win.
msudaisy26
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We should have seen this 76er win coming. 6er nation panicking, and Barkley predicting a Raptor blow out.
I actually like the 76ers chances against the Heat if Lowry and Butler (especially Butler) are banged up and can't give 85 or 90 percent of their usual.
I actually like the 76ers chances against the Heat if Lowry and Butler (especially Butler) are banged up and can't give 85 or 90 percent of their usual.
Nathan R. Jessep
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Fool's gold. Having watched or listened to every single game for the last 2 seasons, I can assure you it's not fool's gold. We have a coach now that has made these guys believe in themselves. And the only reason I haven't given up on Zion already is that I am VERY interested to see what Zion can do under Willie Green's coaching. Zion hasn't a played for a good coach yet, but has still dominated when he was in there. Look at what Green has done without him, the alleged superstar of the team, playing a single second. We had THREE ROOKIES on the court in the second half of an elimination game against the #1 team and LED THE GAME with 2 minutes remaining with our second leading scorer on the bench for much of that time. I'm not a blame the officials guy (I don't think I've made one post about bad officiating, it's to be expected IMO), but CJ "disappeared" because they called several BS fouls on him (2, IIRC, were offensive) and he sat for most of the 3rd and 4th quarters, basically half the game. I'll give you that he's streaky, but I think that could be argued for everyone. But this is B.I.'s team and CJ helps take pressure off of him, and his presence has 100% changed the dynamic of the team in a good way. 
In fact, it took what I think will turn out to be a career-high from Bridges the last game and literally a historic perfect game from CP3 last night to beat this Fool's Gold. An 8 seed. A play-in team. A team that started 3-16.
Hats off to the Suns. The better team won. But we made it interesting, and I think these tough losses (and the couple of wins) will go pretty far in development of this young team. I can't say I'll be rooting for y'all bc I'm still bitter this AM
but I can respect you. :salute:
General Malaise
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Fair.
Although I would counter that 3 of the top 10 picks came from the conference of champions that year, SassNflu.
General Malaise
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In fact, it took what I think will turn out to be a career-high from Bridges the last game and literally a historic perfect game from CP3 last night to beat this Fool's Gold. An 8 seed. A play-in team. A team that started 3-16.
Hats off to the Suns. The better team won. But we made it interesting, and I think these tough losses (and the couple of wins) will go pretty far in development of this young team. I can't say I'll be rooting for y'all bc I'm still bitter this AM
I'm just needling a bit but I do think that CJ line needs to be addressed. Believe me, I too once fell in lust with his skill set. But time and time again, he wilts when it matters most. You can have an off night shooting. Happens to everybody. But when he's off, he's not really going to contribute anywhere else. He doesn't even pretend to play defense, he won't look to pass, he will not go after rebounds, he is never going to dive for loose balls, he is just going to keep shooting.
Good luck next year and beyond. I hope Zion turns into Mega Star because he's fun to watch for sure. But again, it's hard to watch him when he NEVER plays.
mr. furley
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if you want more Barkley and Ernie in your life, they do a podcast together called "The Steam Room"
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