2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (2 Viewers)

[Bruno2]

I hope they bring in another OL as well.

it will be interesting to see who gets cut on 17th

Agreed. If Incognito or Good goes down they could be in trouble at guard. Simpson can step in but I'm not sold on Cotton. He's been hanging on the roster by a thread for years now. Maybe he's finally ready, I don't know. I like what they have going at tackle. Parker behind Miller, not great, but starting experience. I'm confident Leatherwood is a quality starter. Jaryd Jones-Smith has been getting some buzz since OTAs. At center, honestly I know nothing about James other than the fact that everyone loves him from Carr to Mayock, so I'm just going to trust in that. 

 Overall, the Oline overhaul has been way overblown by the media. I have full confidence in Tom Cable and his coaching. They will miss Hudson and Jackson, but they did get younger, cheaper and possibly a little more athletic on the Oline, which is what they wanted to accomplish. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Agreed. If Incognito or Good goes down they could be in trouble at guard. Simpson can step in but I'm not sold on Cotton. He's been hanging on the roster by a thread for years now. Maybe he's finally ready, I don't know. I like what they have going at tackle. Parker behind Miller, not great, but starting experience. I'm confident Leatherwood is a quality starter. Jaryd Jones-Smith has been getting some buzz since OTAs. At center, honestly I know nothing about James other than the fact that everyone loves him from Carr to Mayock, so I'm just going to trust in that. 

 Overall, the Oline overhaul has been way overblown by the media. I have full confidence in Tom Cable and his coaching. They will miss Hudson and Jackson, but they did get younger, cheaper and possibly a little more athletic on the Oline, which is what they wanted to accomplish. 

I think it is funny how all I heard about Jackson while with the Raiders was "under performing" type of comments... he gets traded to the Seahawks and all I hear is him being one of the best guards in football. There is such a huge Raider bias in sports media.

 

[Bruno2]

I think it is funny how all I heard about Jackson while with the Raiders was "under performing" type of comments... he gets traded to the Seahawks and all I hear is him being one of the best guards in football. There is such a huge Raider bias in sports media.

Its out of control isn't it? It's also funny how the Chiefs rebuilt their whole Oline as well but no one in the media voices any concern whatsoever. All I've been hearing out of Chargers camp is how great Rashawn Slater is, but theres absolutely zero mention in the national media of how well Alex Leatherwood is doing. 

Side note... Jay Glazer was asked about the Raiders front office shakeup. His response. "What do you expect? It's the Raiders." As he was answering the question he was laughing. To my point (and yours), the Raiders have become laughing stocks and people in the media are loving kicking them while they're down. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Report: Raiders' Carl Nassib appeared 'disinterested' at times last year but is dialed this season

When the Raiders signed defensive end Carl Nassib to a hefty contract last offseason — a three-year, $25 million deal for a reserve player — they expected a boost to their pass rush.

That impact never fully arrived. Nassib had his moments and even started five games, but he was also a healthy scratch a number of times. Coach Jon Gruden brought in multiple free-agent defensive ends in search of added pressure, and Nassib took a back seat.

The Raiders decided to retain Nassib for 2021, however, and he’s having a solid training camp. But what happened last season? The Athletic’s Vic Tafur shed a bit of light on the situation, reporting that some within the organization thought Nassib wasn’t interested in playing football 100 percent of the time in 2020.

“People in the building and teammates say he is more locked in this season and a better teammate than he was last year when he came off as aloof and disinterested at times.

Nassib had 2 1/2 sacks in 14 games last season and definitely looks more active this camp, resembling the player who had 12 1/2 sacks combined the previous two seasons.”

Aloof and disinterested? If the Raiders really believed that, it’s surprising they brought Nassib back. Las Vegas did restructure his deal, however.

Tafur said he hasn’t had a chance to as Nassib about his intel, but offered this quote from Nassib’s media availability.

“It’s been a huge difference for me just being in the same room together,” Nassib said, per Tafur. “When you’re in a Zoom and the coach is talking, you don’t talk for two hours. … I want to improve my game every time I take the field.”

Ah yes, the pandemic and the year of Zoom calls. That threw us all for a loop, to be sure, and it’s affected all of us differently.

But pass-rush skills are at a premium in the NFL and for the Raiders in particular, and that’s the largest explanation as to why the Raiders kept him on. The year 2020 will always be known as a bit of a throw-away, unfortunately, but in 2021 (as the pandemic continues but vaccines allow for fewer restrictions), Nassib appears ready to endear himself to the franchise and never be a healthy scratch again.

I missed that he restructured, that is good. I have to think there may have been some internal strife about him being gay and wanting to come out as well. I am guessing that can weigh heavy on someone. But it is good that it seems like he is on top of things now and ready to go. We need that extra 4 sacks from a reserve spot for sure. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Often Overlooked, Hunter Renfrow is a Blue-Collar Star

The Las Vegas Raiders Hunter Renfrow is often overlooked, but the blue-collar star is one of the most reliable wide-receivers in the National Football League.

Last season's wide receivers are picking up where they left off with just a little more help. There might be new faces in the Las Vegas Raiders locker room, but the wide receiver group feels it the same.

The free-agent signings of John Brown and Willie Snead IV have replaced Nelson Algholor's veteran presence, who signed with New England this offseason. The Raiders are looking to get the same or similar numbers from one or two of those signings.

The additions of Brown and Snead also bring on the little things like chasing the ball, the experience of having played in this league for seven years, knowing how to practice, and knowing how to win.

"A lot of the same but different as well. Last year we had Nelly (Agholor), and he was a good addition to our room. What we lost with him, we felt it's hard to replace a guy like Nelly, but from a leadership standpoint, like Willie and John Brown, brought that back," Hunter Renfrow said.

Renfrow, entering his third season, has emerged as a veteran leader on a young Raiders team. That young team of undrafted free-agents and draftees have stepped up and grown together.

"I think we've prided ourselves since we've come in, I'm trying to change the culture, change the direction of the program. When we came in they were 4-12, and then we've gone 7-9 and 8-8, but we felt like, regardless of the record, we've gotten better every year and we're close to putting together something special," Renfrow said.

Many of the players on the Raiders roster have won and had plenty of success in college. While it has been a little frustrating to see them not have the same success in the NFL, they have collectively come together in an unselfish way to do whatever makes the team better.

It will be fun to see how this group comes together in training camp and throughout the start of the season.

 

[Chadstroma]

Alec Ingold is more than a fullback, he's positionless

Alec Ingold told the media Wednesday that "you're not going to write a lot of stories about what a fullback does on a day-to-day basis."

Which obviously prompted me to want to write this story about what Alec Ingold provides to the Raiders at the fullback position.

"I have to master the fundamentals of my role," said Ingold. "My role on this team is making a four-yard run into six yards. A three-yard catch into a five-yard catch. Giving Derek Carr half a second longer [in the pocket]. So when I'm on the field, I'm trying to make everyone else better. I'm trying to help people.

"It's a gritty position that not a whole lot of people don't like to do because you don't get your name written about all the time. ...It's not glamorous, it's not fun, there's not a lot of stories written about it but that keeps the offense on schedule."

Ingold has certainly helped a lot of teammates going into his third season with the Raiders, especially his quarterback Derek Carr. As an undrafted free agent from Wisconsin, Ingold's role in the offense has continued to grow and shape him into a remarkable weapon. In his sophomore season, he was able to play a role out of the backfield rushing and blocking. The offense also allowed him to line up outside and be a receiver, as he caught the first ever Raiders touchdown to be scored in Allegiant Stadium.

As Ingold keeps revitalizing the fullback position – that has become a dying breed in the NFL – it's hard to even limit him to one position title. He's purely just an exceptional athlete.

"It was a decision I had to make at a young age, when I was 18 years old and I got an offer to be an athlete instead of a quarterback. Division I mid-major versus the Big 10, and at that point I just kind of had to give up that dream and just say, 'You know what, I'm just going to play football because I love it.'

"You got to trust coaches, you got to trust teammates and you got to be accountable. I think that's kind of how I found my niche of just helping the team out as best I can."

No. 45 was the third-highest graded fullback by PFF in the 2020 season. Carr and his fullback's relationship could be considered stronger than ever going into the 2021 season, with an immense amount of admiration for what Ingold does.

"To me, from the outside looking in you're just like, 'It's the fullback, just block the guy.' And you're like, 'You have no idea what goes into that,'" said Carr. "He has to see and hear the call standing behind me with his hand in the ground, and he has to know the fronts, he's got to know where the safeties are. ... There's so much that man has to know to hit the right gaps so Josh [Jacobs] can hit the right gap.

"He has that old-school Lorenzo Neal feel to him."

Not a shabby comparison from Carr, as Neal was a four-time Pro Bowler and two-time First Team All-Pro selection. The Raiders are currently putting Ingold in a position to be one of the most versatile players on the field, and he very well could have a Pro Bowl caliber season if he remains healthy.

If he does, I'm pretty sure a few more stories like this will be written about him.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Its out of control isn't it? It's also funny how the Chiefs rebuilt their whole Oline as well but no one in the media voices any concern whatsoever. All I've been hearing out of Chargers camp is how great Rashawn Slater is, but theres absolutely zero mention in the national media of how well Alex Leatherwood is doing. 

Side note... Jay Glazer was asked about the Raiders front office shakeup. His response. "What do you expect? It's the Raiders." As he was answering the question he was laughing. To my point (and yours), the Raiders have become laughing stocks and people in the media are loving kicking them while they're down. 

It’s friking crazy I tell ya...can’t wait till we really get to rub their noses in it....us against the world baby......

 

[Bruno2]

Not that he was going to play a ton anyway  but Mariota is out with another injury (according to Gruden, doesn't sound serious). Its gonna be the Peterman, Cookus show against Seattle this weekend. 

I'm gonna be watching the young guys on the Oline and of course, everything defense. Even though it will be vanilla, I'm wanting to see the effort and enthusiasm on that side of the ball.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

They signed another DL.  Ethan Westbrook  

Deablo close to returning  

the problem with being the laughing stock of the NFL, is that the only way out, is to win   So they better F’ing win  I’m so tired of losing    

 

[Chadstroma]

Not that he was going to play a ton anyway  but Mariota is out with another injury (according to Gruden, doesn't sound serious). Its gonna be the Peterman, Cookus show against Seattle this weekend. 

I'm gonna be watching the young guys on the Oline and of course, everything defense. Even though it will be vanilla, I'm wanting to see the effort and enthusiasm on that side of the ball.

Well... that might be a blessing. Mariota has trade value right now and wants to be a starter. 

Extended time with Peterman and Cookus can help us gauge on whether to pull the trigger or not if there is a deal to be had. Like... how badly will the offense implode if Carr went down if we make this trade?

 

[Chadstroma]

They signed another DL.  Ethan Westbrook  

Deablo close to returning  

the problem with being the laughing stock of the NFL, is that the only way out, is to win   So they better F’ing win  I’m so tired of losing    

I know I am seem as the loyal homer that only looks at positives around here... but honestly, I really feel that we will surprise this year. It has been a long time since I was anything but nervously optimistic. 

I think that we are better on offense this year and we are much better on defense. We already have shown last year that we can beat any team in the lleague. I do believe we will be a playoff team this year (barring injuries) and I think we will be dangerous in those playoffs. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

We don’t want Nathan peterman on the field. Ever. Maybe if they’re up 40. 

If the raiders dropped him, he would not be picked up. He’s a Gruden pet. 

 

[LawFitz]

Well... that might be a blessing. Mariota has trade value right now and wants to be a starter. 

Extended time with Peterman and Cookus can help us gauge on whether to pull the trigger or not if there is a deal to be had. Like... how badly will the offense implode if Carr went down if we make this trade?

IIRC, MM had a no-trade clause inserted into his deal for this year when he took that huge paycut. I think I saw an interview with him in the wake of that, saying he really wanted and was relieved to be a Raider this year. Doesn't mean he wouldn't waive that clause to go to an ideal situation (e.g. Colts) - but it seems like MM wants another year on this roster before taking flight again.

Hopefully, he signs a big money deal elsewhere next offseason, which would/could/should net the Raiders a 3rd rd pick in the 2023 draft. Any offer this year needs to be a 2022 4th or better to equate to that value, since it would be coming from a contending team. And it should be WAY better, if it's an AFC team, since it'd be helping a playoff-spot competitor.

All of the above makes me think an MM trade is fairly unlikely. All good with me. I liked what I saw of him late last year, as a legit backup if called upon. And he won me over with that interview after taking the paycut. I love the idea of having players in the locker room who really want to be Raiders.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I know I am seem as the loyal homer that only looks at positives around here... but honestly, I really feel that we will surprise this year. It has been a long time since I was anything but nervously optimistic. 

I think that we are better on offense this year and we are much better on defense. We already have shown last year that we can beat any team in the lleague. I do believe we will be a playoff team this year (barring injuries) and I think we will be dangerous in those playoffs. 

I appreciate your optimism. It helps my chronic pessimism.  

that being said, I’m a “believe it, when I see it” guy. 

I’m thrilled that they are running a new D. I’m not sold on the personnel.  The  inability  to cover/tackle/etc is not only a byproduct of the previous system.

IMHO, they’re woefully thin at proven LBs. the DBs are in a slightly better position, but not much better. And the DL is a mystery to me. Beyond yannick and Crosby, and cle(to a point) it’s a complete crap shoot.  There are 10 interior DL on the roster atm. 11 if you include cle. 

If the offense more or less matches last year, it’s all on the D. Which is a HUGE ask. 

 

[LawFitz]

I appreciate your optimism. It helps my chronic pessimism.  

that being said, I’m a “believe it, when I see it” guy. 

I’m thrilled that they are running a new D. I’m not sold on the personnel.  The  inability  to cover/tackle/etc is not only a byproduct of the previous system.

IMHO, they’re woefully thin at proven LBs. the DBs are in a slightly better position, but not much better. And the DL is a mystery to me. Beyond yannick and Crosby, and cle(to a point) it’s a complete crap shoot.  There are 10 interior DL on the roster atm. 11 if you include cle. 

If the offense more or less matches last year, it’s all on the D. Which is a HUGE ask. 

Divergent opinions are how the best ideas get fleshed out. Keep 'em coming.

I have a feeling the talent on D is there to be a decent/good unit. But the system and coaching need to be decent/good. We'll see if Bradley's simple scheme can at least do that. I think it can, but that due to its simplicity the upside will be capped, especially against solid offenses - this team seems designed to try to win shootouts... Need the D to just make a few critical stops in those games - and having a solid, deep and heavy DL rotation will help in close-out moments, IMO.

Also, I like the budding competitions at DL and 2ndary, but LBs look super suspect. Tanner Muse is a 1st-team OLB!! The only LBs I have confidence in are Morrow and Kwiat, and right now, they're both listed at the same position!

https://www.raiders.com/team/depth-chart

 

[LawFitz]

I am cautiously optimistic about this starting OL. I think it's much better than the typical starting OL they trotted out last year. Depth is severely depletely though, in comparison. OT depth is especially concerning, especially LT. But if Miller were to go down, I think they could slide Leatherwood to LT and Good to RT. Curious to see Jones-Smith in action. I hope they never ever have to rely on Brandon Parker again. Gruden needs to come to grips with whiffing on that stiff.

LT Kolton Miller | Brandon Parker

LG Richie Incognito | John Simpson, Lester Cotton Sr.

C Andre James | Nick Martin, Jimmy Morrissey

RG Denzelle Good | Patrick Omameh, Parker Ehinger, Jeremiah Poutasi

RT Alex Leatherwood | Jaryd Jones-Smith

 

[Chadstroma]

IIRC, MM had a no-trade clause inserted into his deal for this year when he took that huge paycut. I think I saw an interview with him in the wake of that, saying he really wanted and was relieved to be a Raider this year. Doesn't mean he wouldn't waive that clause to go to an ideal situation (e.g. Colts) - but it seems like MM wants another year on this roster before taking flight again.

Hopefully, he signs a big money deal elsewhere next offseason, which would/could/should net the Raiders a 3rd rd pick in the 2023 draft. Any offer this year needs to be a 2022 4th or better to equate to that value, since it would be coming from a contending team. And it should be WAY better, if it's an AFC team, since it'd be helping a playoff-spot competitor.

All of the above makes me think an MM trade is fairly unlikely. All good with me. I liked what I saw of him late last year, as a legit backup if called upon. And he won me over with that interview after taking the paycut. I love the idea of having players in the locker room who really want to be Raiders.

Yes, there is a no trade clause.... BUT that is why I made it a point to say that he wants to be a starter. There were recent reports of him addressing the potential Colts trade landing spot and his answer was in the line of "My goal is to start but I am happy being a Raider" or something along those lines. If we traded him it would be for value and it would be a team that lost their starter and is a competitive team that wants to upgrade from their backups. Mariota has given signals he would be on board with that scenario. 

 

[LawFitz]

Yes, there is a no trade clause.... BUT that is why I made it a point to say that he wants to be a starter. There were recent reports of him addressing the potential Colts trade landing spot and his answer was in the line of "My goal is to start but I am happy being a Raider" or something along those lines. If we traded him it would be for value and it would be a team that lost their starter and is a competitive team that wants to upgrade from their backups. Mariota has given signals he would be on board with that scenario. 

Hard for me to envision a Colts trade, unless they make a cannot-refuse offer. And they don't come across to me as an org that would do that.

 

[Chadstroma]

I appreciate your optimism. It helps my chronic pessimism.  

that being said, I’m a “believe it, when I see it” guy. 

I’m thrilled that they are running a new D. I’m not sold on the personnel.  The  inability  to cover/tackle/etc is not only a byproduct of the previous system.

IMHO, they’re woefully thin at proven LBs. the DBs are in a slightly better position, but not much better. And the DL is a mystery to me. Beyond yannick and Crosby, and cle(to a point) it’s a complete crap shoot.  There are 10 interior DL on the roster atm. 11 if you include cle. 

If the offense more or less matches last year, it’s all on the D. Which is a HUGE ask. 

I believe a huge problem last year was the system. From my own eyes (constantly out of position, chasing with reactions, etc), looking at players that were proven elsewhere but struggled with us  and from lot's of reading.... the players were struggling with the system. I think the system itself will reap a big difference. I expect much better play out of guys like Abram and Littleton. 

We have upgraded the line in both talent and depth. Yannick and Crosby are a powerful pass rush combo and add in Cle and Nassib. Cle will move around and kick inside as well on passing downs. Then we have a wealth of DT's that can play and it is more of a question of who do we keep than anything. 

The LB position is a little thin but for the most part we will run with 2 LB's the majority of the time but Muse has been being praised left and right, Morrow as well and as mentioned Littleton should play closer to the level we expected when we first signed him.

It seems Hayward has gas left and that is HUGE for our secondary. Mullen is solid. Abram will be asked to play to his strengths (less coverage and closer to the line) and Moehrig looks legit for that crucial FS spot in this D. The big question here is that slot CB spot and I really hope Hobbs can show and beat out Lawson because we know what Lawson is and it isn't anything great. 

This may not be the best D in the league but it will be a much improved defense. We will get more pressure on the QB, there is no doubt about that. As you said, if the offense just meets last years kind of power and the D is middling, 15-20th area, that will translate into a playoff team but I do believe our offense will be better. Our Oline should be about the same as it was before. We have more firepower at RB and I expect our two young WR's to make huge strides this year as well as guys like Brown and Snead in depth to go along with Renfrow and Waller plus I think we will get much more out of Moreau as well. Carr is Carr and that is good as he is under appreciated by many of you. 

I am expecting good things this year. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Hard for me to envision a Colts trade, unless they make a cannot-refuse offer. And they don't come across to me as an org that would do that.

They come up because of the already existing injury. Someone will get hurt. Someone always does. If they are competitive, they may come calling and we need to know if it is worth the risk of letting him go this year and getting value or keep him in case Carr gets hurt and he walks for nothing next year. 

 

[LawFitz]

They come up because of the already existing injury. Someone will get hurt. Someone always does. If they are competitive, they may come calling and we need to know if it is worth the risk of letting him go this year and getting value or keep him in case Carr gets hurt and he walks for nothing next year. 

He should generate a comp pick when he walks. Likely a 3rd if he signs for starter money somewhere.

I think the risk of trading him to an AFC playoff contender is another huge factor at play. It sure would burn if Mariota somehow pushed another team into the 7th playoff spot over the Raiders in 2021.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I am cautiously optimistic about this starting OL. I think it's much better than the typical starting OL they trotted out last year. Depth is severely depletely though, in comparison. OT depth is especially concerning, especially LT. But if Miller were to go down, I think they could slide Leatherwood to LT and Good to RT. Curious to see Jones-Smith in action. I hope they never ever have to rely on Brandon Parker again. Gruden needs to come to grips with whiffing on that stiff.

LT Kolton Miller | Brandon Parker

LG Richie Incognito | John Simpson, Lester Cotton Sr.

C Andre James | Nick Martin, Jimmy Morrissey

RG Denzelle Good | Patrick Omameh, Parker Ehinger, Jeremiah Poutasi

RT Alex Leatherwood | Jaryd Jones-Smith

Other than LB, it’s the thinnest squad on the team. Especially with proven players. I really hope, they pick up a quality journeyman in the next couple weeks.  Pretty sure this list is current  

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Yes, there is a no trade clause.... BUT that is why I made it a point to say that he wants to be a starter. There were recent reports of him addressing the potential Colts trade landing spot and his answer was in the line of "My goal is to start but I am happy being a Raider" or something along those lines. If we traded him it would be for value and it would be a team that lost their starter and is a competitive team that wants to upgrade from their backups. Mariota has given signals he would be on board with that scenario. 

I said this when marioya resigned. It’s really smart of him to stay put. His value will stay the same and the salary cap will be blowing up, when he becomes a FA.  If he goes somewhere and starts, this year, and doesn’t do well. He hurts his value. 

I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Plus, Nathan peterman. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I believe a huge problem last year was the system. From my own eyes (constantly out of position, chasing with reactions, etc), looking at players that were proven elsewhere but struggled with us  and from lot's of reading.... the players were struggling with the system. I think the system itself will reap a big difference. I expect much better play out of guys like Abram and Littleton. 

We have upgraded the line in both talent and depth. Yannick and Crosby are a powerful pass rush combo and add in Cle and Nassib. Cle will move around and kick inside as well on passing downs. Then we have a wealth of DT's that can play and it is more of a question of who do we keep than anything. 

The LB position is a little thin but for the most part we will run with 2 LB's the majority of the time but Muse has been being praised left and right, Morrow as well and as mentioned Littleton should play closer to the level we expected when we first signed him.

It seems Hayward has gas left and that is HUGE for our secondary. Mullen is solid. Abram will be asked to play to his strengths (less coverage and closer to the line) and Moehrig looks legit for that crucial FS spot in this D. The big question here is that slot CB spot and I really hope Hobbs can show and beat out Lawson because we know what Lawson is and it isn't anything great. 

This may not be the best D in the league but it will be a much improved defense. We will get more pressure on the QB, there is no doubt about that. As you said, if the offense just meets last years kind of power and the D is middling, 15-20th area, that will translate into a playoff team but I do believe our offense will be better. Our Oline should be about the same as it was before. We have more firepower at RB and I expect our two young WR's to make huge strides this year as well as guys like Brown and Snead in depth to go along with Renfrow and Waller plus I think we will get much more out of Moreau as well. Carr is Carr and that is good as he is under appreciated by many of you. 

I am expecting good things this year. 

Love the optimism.  I hope you’re right  

we’ll see  

 

[Chadstroma]

Coaches, teammates and the organization honored Darren Waller’s four-year anniversary of sobriety by collecting donations for the Darren Waller Foundation.

 

[Chadstroma]

Coaches, teammates and the organization honored Darren Waller’s four-year anniversary of sobriety by collecting donations for the Darren Waller Foundation.

To honor this, I gave my own donation as well. 

https://darrenwaller.org/

 

[SDJohnny]

It's only preseason of course but O-line holding up. Zay looks great. Peterman doing a good job on opening drive. 

 

[Bruno2]

It's only preseason of course but O-line holding up. Zay looks great. Peterman doing a good job on opening drive. 

Not watching... is it the starting unit?

 

[SDJohnny]

Not watching... is it the starting unit?

Not all of them. James/Simpson/Leatherwood/Cotton/Parker are in. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Can't find a free streaming of it.

 

[SDJohnny]

Hobbs with a vicious strip sack. 

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Peterman to Zay 2 great pass /catches

 

[Sarlakticacid]

D got to QB.

QB went down and went down hard

 

[ICON211]

Just finished watching game.  Only a handful of starters played at all, but the first half was good.  Philon was pretty impressive in the first half.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

finally watched the game.

OL looked decent.  the right side, looked better than the left.  parker, really isn't very good.  this is concerning, considering the lack of depth.  plus, i have nightmares about carr getting lit up on his blind side.  in miller we trust.  

DL back ups, looked decent as well.  cle, philon and thomas stood out.  nassib looked good,.  got a horrible penalty, that was total BS  granted, they're playing against scrubs.

LB play was ok.  going to be interesting, watching the LBs covering skills.  it's not something, the raiders have ever done very well.  hell, i start the opposing TE, in fantasy, whenever possible.    

DB looked shaky.  typical missed tackle, leads to a td.  but it was mostly back ups.  hobbs looked good, moehrig was pretty invisible.

i hope the high draft picks, that played the entire 1st quarter, realize that they need to put in the work.  i hope more starters play in the preseason.  i realize injury is a concern, but these boys need the reps.

 

[Bruno2]

I thought the interior Oline looked pretty good. James, Cotton and Simpson were moving people in the running game. I liked that. The back up tackles on the other hand, looked a little shaky. Omameh and Jones-Smith were getting spun around quite a bit by their DEs which caused the INT and led to a couple sacks. Thought Leatherwood looked good in his first action, even though he almost gave up a sack. Looked like a professional starting RT to me, he'll only get better.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i forgot to mention the unbelievably vanilla offense.  terribly boring.  i don't think peterman threw the ball more than 25 yards down the field, at any point.  complete or not.  the longest pass was to zay, down the right side(i think).

i know, i know...preseason and all that.  1st game of preseason, to boot.  but this is the friggen raiders.  throw it deep baby!

i guess if dink and dunk, ball control, gets wins.  and keeps that D off the field, i'll be ok with it.  

 

[Sarlakticacid]

It looked like their game plan vs the chiefs. Control the ball forever or as long as possible 

 

[Chadstroma]

i forgot to mention the unbelievably vanilla offense.  terribly boring.  i don't think peterman threw the ball more than 25 yards down the field, at any point.  complete or not.  the longest pass was to zay, down the right side(i think).

i know, i know...preseason and all that.  1st game of preseason, to boot.  but this is the friggen raiders.  throw it deep baby!

i guess if dink and dunk, ball control, gets wins.  and keeps that D off the field, i'll be ok with it.  

Pre-season. 

 

[Chadstroma]

Leatherwood did not start at right tackle at Alabama, but looked comfortable there in his first NFL action. His experience at right guard during his sophomore year with the Tide may have helped, given that he collapsed that side of the line a couple of times during a goal-line effort where running back Trey Ragas (an undrafted rookie also worth mentioning for his strong effort Saturday night) eventually got into the end zone. Ragas found running behind Leatherwood profitable on other plays, too, as the big man can move on zone plays and dominate targets on power runs. In pass protection, Leatherwood was steady, often stonewalling his man but once allowing an edge rusher to touch his quarterback after giving help inside. He got back to clean up the play, though, and allowed Nathan Peterman to complete a pass for a first down. Looks like the Raiders got a plug-and-play guy up front.

 

[Bruno2]

Leatherwood did not start at right tackle at Alabama, but looked comfortable there in his first NFL action. His experience at right guard during his sophomore year with the Tide may have helped, given that he collapsed that side of the line a couple of times during a goal-line effort where running back Trey Ragas (an undrafted rookie also worth mentioning for his strong effort Saturday night) eventually got into the end zone. Ragas found running behind Leatherwood profitable on other plays, too, as the big man can move on zone plays and dominate targets on power runs. In pass protection, Leatherwood was steady, often stonewalling his man but once allowing an edge rusher to touch his quarterback after giving help inside. He got back to clean up the play, though, and allowed Nathan Peterman to complete a pass for a first down. Looks like the Raiders got a plug-and-play guy up front.

As long as they can avoid injuries and COVID, the Oline will be just fine. 

 

[Bruno2]

Cle looked pretty average against 2nd and 3rd stringers....

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i forgot to mention the unbelievably vanilla offense.  terribly boring.  i don't think peterman threw the ball more than 25 yards down the field, at any point.  complete or not.  the longest pass was to zay, down the right side(i think).

i know, i know...preseason and all that.  1st game of preseason, to boot.  but this is the friggen raiders.  throw it deep baby!

i guess if dink and dunk, ball control, gets wins.  and keeps that D off the field, i'll be ok with it.  

Pre-season. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Cle looked pretty average against 2nd and 3rd stringers....

but we've heard all off season, that according to some metrics, he's one of the best de's in the league!!!!!  

#4 overall pick, from 2 years ago, played the entire 1st quarter.  foster moreau, had the night off. as did renfrow, brown(new to the system), ruggs(unproven) and edwards(extra unproven) . all of the starting DBs LBs and DL, also had the night off.  all of whom, could use the work.  IN A NEW SYSTEM!!

SMDH

 

[DocHolliday]

but we've heard all off season, that according to some metrics, he's one of the best de's in the league!!!!!  

#4 overall pick, from 2 years ago, played the entire 1st quarter.  foster moreau, had the night off. as did renfrow, brown(new to the system), ruggs(unproven) and edwards(extra unproven) . all of the starting DBs LBs and DL, also had the night off.  all of whom, could use the work.  IN A NEW SYSTEM!!

SMDH

Cle was a horrible pick.   Will he even be on the team in a year?   

 

[ICON211]

but we've heard all off season, that according to some metrics, he's one of the best de's in the league!!!!!  

#4 overall pick, from 2 years ago, played the entire 1st quarter.  foster moreau, had the night off. as did renfrow, brown(new to the system), ruggs(unproven) and edwards(extra unproven) . all of the starting DBs LBs and DL, also had the night off.  all of whom, could use the work.  IN A NEW SYSTEM!!

SMDH

These guys are getting plenty of practice reps in a more controlled setting with less chance of injury.  In preseason games teams run pretty vanilla offensive and defensive schemes and they would not be seeing what they will be up against in the regular season anyway for the most part.  I don't have a problem with whatever the coaches decide as far as preseason game playing time.  I'd rather not see important players out there.

 

[joey]

These guys are getting plenty of practice reps in a more controlled setting with less chance of injury.  In preseason games teams run pretty vanilla offensive and defensive schemes and they would not be seeing what they will be up against in the regular season anyway for the most part.  I don't have a problem with whatever the coaches decide as far as preseason game playing time.  I'd rather not see important players out there.

But that’s the point of his post….how is our FOURTH OVERALL a draft pick from 2 years ago not an important player. Just let us wallow in our Raider fan misery for a few more posts  

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Cle was a horrible pick.   Will he even be on the team in a year?   

absolutely.   gruden will never admit that he made a mistake.  after the rookie contract is up, he'll be gone.

 

[Bruno2]

but we've heard all off season, that according to some metrics, he's one of the best de's in the league!!!!!  

#4 overall pick, from 2 years ago, played the entire 1st quarter.  foster moreau, had the night off. as did renfrow, brown(new to the system), ruggs(unproven) and edwards(extra unproven) . all of the starting DBs LBs and DL, also had the night off.  all of whom, could use the work.  IN A NEW SYSTEM!!

SMDH

He started against a 3rd string rookie developmental player and basically did nothing. He got some pressure on Geno once. The D lineman I thought had a good showing was Philon, he was wreaking havoc everywhere.

And to add. Let's not get too excited by Hobbs' sack. It was a corner blitz in a preseason game across from the same previously mentioned rookie tackle. I'm glad to hear all the positive news out of camp about Hobbs, but I probably could have sacked Geno on that play.

Amik flashed a few times and made some nice plays.

I thought Cotton played very well, nice to see a long time developmental player show out. That's promising for the Oline depth we're all worried about.

Meohrig was quiet, but I think that was more due to the Seahawks QBs not looking downfield. Abram was quiet too, but not out of control so that's a good thing. 

Arnette had tight coverage for a play on the ball but missed the tackle. I'm not ready to give up on the kid yet.

Javin White played a lot and was all over the field. Does he make the final 53 this year?

DJ Turner! Looking forward to seeing more of that guy, seems to have some juice.

And can't forget Ragas. Yeah he's probably training camp fodder this year, hopefully he makes the practice squad. Runs hard and he did a good job picking up a blitz.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

These guys are getting plenty of practice reps in a more controlled setting with less chance of injury.  In preseason games teams run pretty vanilla offensive and defensive schemes and they would not be seeing what they will be up against in the regular season anyway for the most part.  I don't have a problem with whatever the coaches decide as far as preseason game playing time.  I'd rather not see important players out there.

i agree in theory.  but then,  why are leatherwood, james and moehrig and to a lesser extent, abrams out there?  if james is the second coming of mike webster, why risk injury?  same with LW.  and the D was so damn bad last year, every one of those fools should be getting as many reps as possible.  especially because it's a new system.

IMHO, it's just not the same in practice.  however, gannon did say, in the broadcast, that the OL looked a little better.  largely because they were going up against a better quality DL in practice.  so wtf do I know.  

but!  some old school dude on NFL network agreed with me.  saying, "if tom brady is playing in the preseason, everyone should be playing"     F brady.  #Fthetuckrule