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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (4 Viewers)
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kaso
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Chadstroma
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DJax cleared waivers
ZADO
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Hankmoody
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It can be both. Yes, he made the decisions and yes, it was preventable. Doesn't mean you can't feel sorry for the guy, one moment in time has completely flipped his life over. He made a young fool's decision, one millions and millions have made with far lesser consequences, he was just the one that hit the trifecta of awful. When I was a young idiot myself I got behind the wheel drunk way too many times. Never went 154 but went plenty fast/dangerous and more than once would have blown far more than .16 had I been caught. Not proud of that at all, but eternally grateful that I didn't suffer a similar tragedy that he did.
Hard pass on DJax. Gimmie some OBJ all day long.
Hankmoody
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joey
Footballguy
really? Maybe I’m still burned by the Antonio Brown "big name WR" fiasco, but I personally don’t want a mega-diva WR on this team.
Hankmoody
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Absolutely. You don't abandon good process because you got one bad result. TB doesn't regret their dip into that pool one bit right now.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
OBJ is probably a bad idea for the Raiders because he would not receive enough targets to be happy. His Dad probably wouldn’t be happy either. OBJ still has talent but Carr is going to spread the ball around. OBJ needs to go to a WR starved team where he can get 10 targets a game so that he and his family can be happy with his stats.
My initial thought also but let's take a realistic look at our WR's. I think if the price tag is reasonable we gotta do it. Just let Carr pepper OBJ and Waller. It's a risk for team chemistry but we're 5-2, lets bring in some talent.
He actually doesn't need a ton of targets, he just needs quality targets. 8 targets a game is not such a big deal and he should be pretty productive with them.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I agree with this 100%. I think OBJ needs to be the focal point of an offense and if he isn't he meltdown. We have had enough drama this year, I am a hard pass on OBJ but want to kick the tires in DJax
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Like I posted, incredible amount of leadership and compassion exhibited by Carr.
I can't imagine what Carr has had to go thru as well as the leader on this football team. I know the fan base was widely happy that Gruden was gone or many posted those thoughts, but for Carr I think it was a much different experience.
I'm sure the fans like yourself, real fans of the Raiders, this has got to be very painful.
I did see video of Ruggs at both driving range and at the scene, its very difficult to watch and my heart breaks because I see a young kid with so much promise and I don't believe he was trying to be malicious or was going out of his to hurt anyone, he just didn't think to get someone to help him home.
I have a 22-yr old, I called him immediately and told him how much I love him, we talked a little bit about this tragedy.
FTR: This could happen to a lot of us. Any of us who regularly drink myself included, likely frequent bars/pubs, whatever hole in the wall, and then we get in our cars. Not good.
I think many of them do.....we just don't ever hear about it....that stuff (good decisions) never makes the news...
BREAKING NEWS: QB Jim Bob Smith was totally #### faced last night at the strip club, but made a good decision and had someone sober give him a ride home....
IIRC the NFL gives every player, I think actually ever one involved in the organization, in every NFL city... a card with a number they can call and get a ride ...at any time.....no questions asked...let alone the fact that it wouldn't be that hard to put a driver on your own personal payroll for 75 grand a year to be at your beck and call.....but thats not as "cool" as rolling up in your tricked out lambo or vette...and if you out partying, you ain't leaving your car in the parking lot of some bar...amiright?...you can rinse and repeat this every time you hear of a professional player in any sport having something bad happen involving drinking and driving...
sometimes when you are young or old for that matter and have money, you want everybody to know you have money, so you want to take your fancy car to places and show off....gotta show off your swag....you know, like wearing thousands of dollars worth of necklaces around your neck while playing football....or earrings or nose rings...that could be ripped out or broken at any moment causing you injury....you know ....so everybody knows how cool you are and how much money/swag you have....
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ZADO
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If these guys wanna drive like race drivers why wouldnt they just go rent some track time and have at it, they have the money and it would satisfy their need to play with their fast toys . Common sense is still a rare commodity i guess
that doesn't work when its 3:00 in the morning and you wanna impress your boo on the way home before knocking boots....
you would think she would be more impressed by you being able to afford your own limo driver to get you home.....but apparently that is not how it works...
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This is where I'm at too. But honestly, besides a win, this team needs something positive and/or happy to happen. At this point, if they think OBJ can help, bring him in.
Hankmoody
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When have we last seen a meltdown? 4 years ago? So what if his dad posted some crap, ffs some people are more sensitive than Aaron Rodgers. If the guy can play I want him here. If he's a distraction then cut him, if he can't play then cut him, if we get someone better then cut him. But as long as he's an upgrade I want him here, and we won't know if he is until we look.
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joey
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Disagree. He’s a prima Donna who will bring drama we don’t need after this last effin month.
Agree entirely.
Carr spreads the ball around. That’s his thing. That said, he has "peppered" Waller from time to time, so I guess he has it in him a bit. OBJ has PROVEN he’s not satisfied with fewer targets and forced himself off a team because of his cry baby drama. Hard pass.
1000% what I’m saying as well
LawFitz
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I think the truth is somewhere in between with OBJ. I hear and feel the message of the naysayers, and wouldn't argue against the idea that there's some chance of a drama-filled meltdown at some point. But there's also the reality that Baker was a complete bum when targeting OBJ, and objectively, for long and wide stretches of his career in general. Save for a fun rookie campaign and the final stretch last season, Baker has pretty much sucked. 2021 Carr would be a HUGE upgrade.
Does the above make signing OBJ a riskless slam? No. But I do think he'd be way more productive with 6-8 targets per game from Carr, than the same or more from Baker. And I think the Raiders locker room has a strong young core of leaders now that have been hardened and steadied by several years of suffering extreme toil, disappointment and now tragedy. If I were the Raiders and OBJ passed an interview or three with the brass, including Carr, and could be signed to a deal with team flexibility to pull the rip cord down the line, then I'd MUCH rather see him brought on than running-on-fumes and duct-tape Desean Jackson.
Does the above make signing OBJ a riskless slam? No. But I do think he'd be way more productive with 6-8 targets per game from Carr, than the same or more from Baker. And I think the Raiders locker room has a strong young core of leaders now that have been hardened and steadied by several years of suffering extreme toil, disappointment and now tragedy. If I were the Raiders and OBJ passed an interview or three with the brass, including Carr, and could be signed to a deal with team flexibility to pull the rip cord down the line, then I'd MUCH rather see him brought on than running-on-fumes and duct-tape Desean Jackson.
LawFitz
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All of the above said, I also wouldn't mind staying put and rolling with Zay Jones as a plug and play for Ruggs' role. I think he could do it at least as well as Agholor, which is just enough for the current structure of this team. And there's upside for more from Zay IMO. I think he's just coming into his prime as a professional athlete and football player, both physically and mentally, after a ROUGH start to his career.
Chaka
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We are watching a meltdown in Cleveland, in real time.
No way OBJ's dad is flying solo on this. Zero chance.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
This season will never be forgotten no matter what goes on from here. Feels inevitable that OBJ becomes a Raider and leaves his mark on the season too. It could be great, such as 100 yard games for the rest of the season or it could be a disaster including a meltdown on the sideline involving a knife fight with a fan. It won’t be a non-eventful signing.
Chadstroma
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I don't care about his Dad.Hankmoody said:
My "I'm out" point was where the Browns score a TD. 10 players are down in the end zone celebrating and one is walking to the side line. I am sure you can figure out who.
Chadstroma
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We will have a good shot at seeing what that looks like this weekend.LawFitz said:
Carr loves Zay. I don't think there is any receiver who has worked more with Carr in the off season and non-team functions than Zay.
Chadstroma
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Yea... it does seem like a boom or bust move.DocHolliday said:
If we do it, I will be all in hoping I am wrong about OBJ. I think there is too much risk from what I have seen but talent wise, OBJ was seen as the best receiver in the league not too long ago.
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LawFitz
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I recall this as well. And he's flashed each time he's been given opportunity this year. My spidey sense is ringing strong right now for Zay. I have a feeling we're going to be calling him Big Play Zay by the end of this season.
:no jinx:
Chadstroma
Footballguy
One thought... looking a bit further down the road into this off season...
This certainly opens the door to acquiring Davante Adams. Strong connection between Carr and Adams. Can you imagine Adams in our offense?
This certainly opens the door to acquiring Davante Adams. Strong connection between Carr and Adams. Can you imagine Adams in our offense?
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm only for this if both Adams AND Carr take a legit discount in order to be reunited. Can't pay both of them top dollar IMO, and then also leave enough cap for Maxx, Waller Baller, Renfrow + the hoard of prove-it-deal defenders that are balling out right now for this team.
Alternatively, another way I could see Adams fitting into the equation would be to sign him (to still a somewhat modest deal) and then trade Waller for a 1st rd pick. Plug in Adams and Moreau to replace Waller's production and draft a cheap and (hopefully) productive rookie OL. Adams + Moreau + stud rook OL > Waller Baller in the 2022 starting lineup IMO. I love Waller and wouldn't enjoy seeing him go, but this is the type of move savvy teams make.
DA RAIDERS
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more gnarly video on tmz.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i think the team is doing the right thing and not picking anyone up in desperation. let's see how this week goes and go from there.
i don't see adams coming to vegas. he will get top top money and the raiders have too many mouths to feed. they should have extended carr last year. but gruden wasn't sure he was the future. the cap is going way up, so players will be looking to get paid. hopefully some of the 2nd chance guys will take a little less to stay.
i don't see adams coming to vegas. he will get top top money and the raiders have too many mouths to feed. they should have extended carr last year. but gruden wasn't sure he was the future. the cap is going way up, so players will be looking to get paid. hopefully some of the 2nd chance guys will take a little less to stay.
DA RAIDERS
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i like zay. and am aware of his connection with carr. i've always wondered why it never translated into playing time. is there something we don't know? i don't think ruggs/edwards are that much better than him, but he's the one playing special teams. here's his chance. and our chance to see him levitate off the ground!
ZADO
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How many guys get buried on the depth chart due to high priced signings ,guys that would otherwise get more playing time? Sometimes when a door opens people will take that opening and run with it,im dying to see how this pans out
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LawFitz
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This was two studs (Waller, Renfrow) and two early-round draft swings by Chucky, who I am sure very much wanted his picks to be validated. OTOH, the rest of the competition was Nelson Agholor.
DocHolliday
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This seems quite accurate. Let’s not forget how well Agholor played last season. It was pretty surprising.This was two studs (Waller, Renfrow) and two early-round draft swings by Chucky, who I am sure very much wanted his picks to be validated. OTOH, the rest of the competition was Nelson Agholor.
DocHolliday
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It would be great to see Davante in a Raiders uniform but I don’t think it’s the right move. Draft the correct WR and then focus on O line and D. Seems like the same game plan every offseason and now that Chucky is gone, the Raiders may get it right.
How great would it be to have Lamb in a Raiders uniform right now?!
Have I mentioned that I don’t miss Gruden?
Chaka
Footballguy
I love Renfrow but let's not go overboard on the stud thing.This was two studs (Waller, Renfrow) and two early-round draft swings by Chucky, who I am sure very much wanted his picks to be validated. OTOH, the rest of the competition was Nelson Agholor.
So far he's maybe Cole Beasley (maybe) he's got a ways to go before becoming Julian Edelman.
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Chaka
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The fact that Agholor saw so much PT and had such a solid season last year (when he was average, at best for his entire career) suggests that the draft status of Ruggs & Edwards or the perceived talent of Renfrow aren't reasons why Zay hasn't seen the field much.This was two studs (Waller, Renfrow) and two early-round draft swings by Chucky, who I am sure very much wanted his picks to be validated. OTOH, the rest of the competition was Nelson Agholor.
Again I hope I am way off base. Jones has the draft pedigree, college production and is only 26 so the door is definitely still open for him.
DA RAIDERS
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zay had 102 targets in his last full season in buffalo
he's had 54 targets as a raider. 33 games. 10 before ruggs and edwards were on the team. something is off. i like him and think he has talent, but he's not seeing the field for some reason.
he's had 54 targets as a raider. 33 games. 10 before ruggs and edwards were on the team. something is off. i like him and think he has talent, but he's not seeing the field for some reason.
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ZADO
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DA RAIDERS
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possibly. gruden IS an idiot.
zay had 27 targets in 10 games, in 2019. he's had 20 targets in 2020 and 7 so far in 2021. he's had 1 target since gruden left.
LawFitz
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Oh c'mon. Name one slot WR you'd take right now in the entire NFL over 3rd and Renfrow. Edelman is retired and Renfrow in his third year is playing as well as Beasley has in his prime years.
As a slot WR, Renfrow is absolutely a stud.
ZADO
Footballguy
ya its strange ,but why would they mess with the pecking order while dealing with so many internal issues. Maybe with Ruggs now gone they feel like they can shake things up out of necessity. Who knows with this organization lolpossibly. gruden IS an idiot.
zay had 27 targets in 10 games, in 2019. he's had 20 targets in 2020 and 7 so far in 2021. he's had 1 target since gruden left.
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