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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (17 Viewers)
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Live in Vancouver, not ideal for watching basketball. Also going to Raptors v Pistons on Sunday. Not first row.
Got the tickets at face value the first day they were available. Weren’t too expensive, so couldn’t resist.
Already have my Russ jersey.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I've never been to an NBA game.
I live in a bit of geographic hole in southern Missouri. Currently the two closest teams are OKC & Memphis (4-5 hr drives) but they weren't there when I was a kid and now since family vacations are a premium (and we typically only take them in the Summer) I've been SOL since my kids were born. Wasn't a huge NBA fan as a kid growing up the nearest teams were the Mavs & Pacers, so we never went. I've been to multiple NFL, MLB & NHL games but just never had a real chance to see an NBA game in person, despite it being my favorite league for the last 10 years.
My first ever game was going to be in Boston, the first week of April in 2020. My wife had a teacher's conference she was attending and the school had gotten her and the other teachers an AirBnB in downtown Boston. I was going to use my miles to book my flight and had a place to stay and there were 2 games I was looking at attending. There was this new thing going on with a disease and I was watching as ticket prices were dropping and was thinking I might get a cheaper ticket.
Then the NBA season and my wife's conference were cancelled.
GordonGekko
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James Dolan refuses to play players or their agents under the table. Other owners will and have.
Certain players in certain situations have taken "public paycuts" but it's not the case. The money has been returned on the back end via crypto or through their family members/associates. In a few extreme cases, the player was rewarded after they eventually retired in private.
So that's one factor.
Nike did not want any of their Signature athletes to go to New York for a very long time. There was a lifetime contract with LeBron James, so when he went to the Heat, do you think Nike had no hand in that at all? Do you think Nike would want to send another Nike endorsed guy, to another team, good enough to knock LBJ out of the playoffs and out of the Finals?
The Eastern Conference is far weaker than the Western Conference. Has been that way for a long time. LBJ in Cleveland or Miami was a soft cakewalk to the Finals. Nike liked him there as a form of cost certainty.
This is why Dirk Nowitzki refused so many endorsements for so long. He didn't want any brand telling him what to do, what to say, whose hand to shake, what team to sign with and whom he should like or been seen with in public.
The Brooklyn franchise is informally treated and used as a hub for essentially foreign investment into the NBA. The design by David Stern and the mandate left to Adam Silver was to expand the game globally. Having the franchise sold to Joe Tsai guaranteed a further push with NBA China and Tencent to globalize the game into the Asian marketplace.
It's also not easy to find "acceptable" single ownership candidates domestically all the time. The NBA owners currently don't want "ownership groups" anymore. They might tolerate them from time to time, but it causes more problems than it's usually worth. Also Mark Cuban changed the viewpoint by old guard owners on younger progressive ownerships. Cuban really made waves upon entry and angered a lot of people. Foreign ownership of an NBA team can be as controversial, seedy and corrupt as it wants to be, because it's much more difficult to get stuff like that into the mainstream media. It's much harder to hide the legacy of a Tilman Fertitta in contrast.
Dolan will not pay you under the table. He also will not allow any individual player to become the defacto GM of the team ( However he will let CAA basically pull the strings of the entire franchise. And why? Because Dolan has a garage band called JD and the Sureshot. CAA makes sure it uses it's leverage to get them playing and appearing in places where they have no business being on stage. ) The latter issue is why LBJ was never a Chicago Bull. Bulls ownership told World Wide Wes in no uncertain terms that 25 year old LBJ wasn't going to run their team into the ground like he did the first stint in Cleveland. The horror story of what Gary Payton did in Seattle as vicious petty player tyrant was still fresh in many owners minds back then.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
links?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
25 years of James Dolan has kept players away. I remember going to Knicks games in the 70s / 80s / 90s when they were good. MSG was electric. It’s been so long since they were contenders I am not sure NYC is as into basketball as they used to be compared to the Mars Blackmon era.
General Malaise
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There's just not any traction. I mean, in the 80s, you KNEW who the Knicks were. I could still tick off their starting 5 and maybe more with some AI assistance. But I can't recall the last Knicks roster that left a lasting impression. Who has been their best star? For the life of me, I can't name a homegrown NY Knick with any sort of legacy.
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Instinctive
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Weird aside - if you're ever in Dallas area for something lemme know. We have season tix, would happily go with you (my wife only goes ~40% of the time) or give you our two seats for a night. Especially a weeknight since I'm often traveling.I've never been to an NBA game.
I live in a bit of geographic hole in southern Missouri. Currently the two closest teams are OKC & Memphis (4-5 hr drives) but they weren't there when I was a kid and now since family vacations are a premium (and we typically only take them in the Summer) I've been SOL since my kids were born. Wasn't a huge NBA fan as a kid growing up the nearest teams were the Mavs & Pacers, so we never went. I've been to multiple NFL, MLB & NHL games but just never had a real chance to see an NBA game in person, despite it being my favorite league for the last 10 years.
My first ever game was going to be in Boston, the first week of April in 2020. My wife had a teacher's conference she was attending and the school had gotten her and the other teachers an AirBnB in downtown Boston. I was going to use my miles to book my flight and had a place to stay and there were 2 games I was looking at attending. There was this new thing going on with a disease and I was watching as ticket prices were dropping and was thinking I might get a cheaper ticket.
Then the NBA season and my wife's conference were cancelled.
msudaisy26
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Sorry if this wasn't clear, but this was rhetorical.
ShamrockPride
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Wasn't he also a horrific executive with the team too?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Prior to being their horrible coach, he was their horrible executive. What better way to tell your GM that he suck but to make him the GM AND coach.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He is pretty much a horrible person and this is coming from a Piston fan.
Leroy Hoard
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I was always a much bigger Joe Dumars fan.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
When was Linsanity? I think that's the only memory I have of the Knickerbockers since Patrick Ewing.
Anarchy99
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Lin only played the 2011-12 season in NYK when they went 36-30. I forgot about the lockout. I also forgot Lin tore his meniscus and missed the playoffs.
Wasn't he a horrible coach with the Pacers, too?
Craig_MiamiFL
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Nets didn't even play well and beat the Bulls w/o Bridges/Cam Johnson/Claxton. They may lack a superstar but are loaded and deep in talent.
On a sidenote, Ben Simmons saw all of 20 minutes (8th on the team) w/o all 3 of the above mentioned. Could he actually become a DNP-CD? He's making $35m this year and due over $78m over the next 2 seasons.
On a sidenote, Ben Simmons saw all of 20 minutes (8th on the team) w/o all 3 of the above mentioned. Could he actually become a DNP-CD? He's making $35m this year and due over $78m over the next 2 seasons.
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identikit
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Mediocre, as I recall. Made the playoffs all three years, but out in the first round.
GordonGekko
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/thomais01x.html
Toronto Raptors Franchise (January 1, 1994 - November 20, 1997)
June 28, 1995: Selected Damon Stoudamire (1st round, 7th pick) and Jimmy King (2nd round, 35th pick) in the 1995 NBA Draft.
February 18, 1996: Traded Victor Alexander and Willie Anderson to the New York Knicks for Doug Christie, Herb Williams and cash.
June 26, 1996: Selected Marcus Camby (1st round, 2nd pick) in the 1996 NBA Draft.
June 25, 1997: Selected Tracy McGrady (1st round, 9th pick) in the 1997 NBA Draft.
October 10, 1997: As part of a 3-team trade, the Toronto Raptors traded a 2007 2nd round draft pick (Taurean Green was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Toronto Raptors traded a 2000 1st round draft pick (Quentin Richardson was later selected) to the New York Knicks; the New York Knicks traded a 1998 1st round draft pick (Bryce Drew was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the New York Knicks traded John Wallace to the Toronto Raptors; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded Chris Dudley to the New York Knicks.
New York Knicks Franchise (December 22, 2003 - April 2, 2008)
January 5, 2004: Traded Howard Eisley, Maciej Lampe, Antonio McDyess, Charlie Ward, Milos Vujanic, a 2004 1st round draft pick (Kirk Snyder was later selected) and a 2010 1st round draft pick (Gordon Hayward was later selected) to the Phoenix Suns for Anfernee Hardaway, Stephon Marbury and Cezary Trybański.
June 24, 2004: Selected Trevor Ariza (2nd round, 43rd pick) in the 2004 NBA Draft.
August 5, 2004: Traded Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo, Cezary Trybański and Frank Williams to the Chicago Bulls for Jamal Crawford and Jerome Williams.
February 24, 2005: Traded Jamison Brewer and Nazr Mohammed to the San Antonio Spurs for Malik Rose, a 2005 1st round draft pick (David Lee was later selected) and a 2006 1st round draft pick (Mardy Collins was later selected).
June 28, 2005: Selected Channing Frye (1st round, 8th pick), David Lee (1st round, 30th pick) and Dijon Thompson (2nd round, 54th pick) in the 2005 NBA Draft.
June 28, 2005: Traded Kurt Thomas and Dijon Thompson to the Phoenix Suns for Quentin Richardson, Nate Robinson and future considerations.
August 2, 2005: Signed Jerome James as a free agent.
October 4, 2005: Traded Jermaine Jackson, Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, a 2006 1st round draft pick (LaMarcus Aldridge was later selected), a 2007 1st round draft pick (Joakim Noah was later selected), a 2007 2nd round draft pick (Kyrylo Fesenko was later selected) and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Jon Brockman was later selected) to the Chicago Bulls for Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis and a 2007 1st round draft pick (Wilson Chandler was later selected).
February 3, 2006: Traded Antonio Davis to the Toronto Raptors for Jalen Rose and a 2006 1st round draft pick (Renaldo Balkman was later selected).
February 22, 2006: Traded Trevor Ariza and Anfernee Hardaway to the Orlando Magic for Steve Francis.
June 28, 2006: Selected Renaldo Balkman (1st round, 20th pick) and Mardy Collins (1st round, 29th pick) in the 2006 NBA Draft.
August 7, 2006: Signed Jared Jeffries as a free agent.
June 28, 2007: Selected Wilson Chandler (1st round, 23rd pick) in the 2007 NBA Draft.
June 28, 2007: Traded Steve Francis and Channing Frye to the Portland Trail Blazers for Dan Dickau, Fred Jones and Zach Randolph.
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Zeke wasn't a bad drafter. To be fair about it, he got some extremely early picks with the Raptors. So it's much easier to hit on players when you are picking in the Top 5 / Top10
McGrady and Stoudamire were not locks in their draft years. So that was still pretty decent talent evaluation. Zeke started off pretty well. Stoudamire and Christie were a good backcourt. Not elite but very good for the time and considering the situation. Camby and McGrady were also big pieces. David Lee, Frye, Nate Robinson and Ariza were good to decent picks considering their draft slot and situation at the time.
Where he got in trouble was just having no clue on how to sign free agents. And he made a lot of dumb trades that went after "Brand Name" players but poor fits/past their prime while dumping valuable draft picks.
If he stuck to just drafting, stayed mostly out of free agency except for small inexpensive pick ups and just refused to pick up the phone for trades ( Phil Jackson ended up doing that most of his NY tenure), he would have helped himself immeasurably.
A good GM/team president? No.
A guy who you could send to evaluate and engage with potential draft picks? Sure. ( Assuming you gave him no real input in the final decision making and he kept his junk in his pants to avoid scandal)
His record is bad, but not entirely horrible. He was placed in the wrong job and wrong position. Wade Phillips had no business as an NFL head coach. But he was a damn good defensive coordinator. It's the scandal with women that makes Zeke completely beyond redemption for a modern NBA front office today. If you ask Zeke to run your franchise, you've got problems. If you ask him to go over potential 2nd rounders and UDFA prospects and hire him to do individual reports to see which ones could possibly fill a back of the rotation role for you, I think there's some possible value there.
Long Ball Larry
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So about that Gary Payton trade…
identikit
Footballguy
Oh my
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Tough blow for Pistons if doesn't go through. They could really use Wiseman's championship experience
Kev4029
Footballguy
Blazers about to get in a lawsuit with three other teams and I doubt that the other 29 teams will be too excited about trading with the Blazers in the future. I imagine there is some contract provision with these trades saying that all medical information will be relayed so **** like this doesn't happen.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Woj bomb: Russell Westbrook is leaning towards signing with the Bulls.
He and Billy Donovan have a close personal relationship.
He and Billy Donovan have a close personal relationship.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Oh man. Was hoping Clippers so he could be across the hall from Lebron while they make the playoffs.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Really interested to see how this team gels. Some solid players and still should be able to make the playoffs
AAABatteries
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This court in GS is messing with my mind. Love it - well done to whoever came up with the design.
The General
Footballguy
Doing other stuff and each time I come into the room I think my TV color settings are messed up
Capella
Footballguy
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
He is playing for a new contract, and the Bulls are a good spot. They aren't a bad team, they are a mediocre team, and if he can elevate them, that is beneficial from a financial standpoint.
He wants to take a team deep into the playoffs, and that won't happen in the Western conference. The Clippers are not going to get past Phoenix/Denver/Dallas.
The Bulls have multiple wins this year against Milwaukee and Boston without Westbrook. Those two teams and Philadelphia are the class of the conference, but the Bulls have shown they won't get blown off the court, and anything can happen in a short series.
Since leaving OKC, Westbrook has played for several coaches. Donovan is the one who he has the deepest relationship with.
AAABatteries
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Doing other stuff and each time I come into the room I think my TV color settings are messed up
I have zero interest in this game - I’m watching for the mind ****. Wiggin’s shoes make it even better. I need to start smoking dope and watch this.
The General
Footballguy
When the two dudes with orange shoes were guarding each other was like they were glowing.Doing other stuff and each time I come into the room I think my TV color settings are messed up
I have zero interest in this game - I’m watching for the mind ****. Wiggin’s shoes make it even better. I need to start smoking dope and watch this.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Wha?
The Clippers are currently in 6th and have a better shot vs the West with Kawhi/PG than the 10th seed Bulls do against the East with Derozan/Lavine.
The Suns and Mavs still have to figure a lot of things out as well after major roster changes.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Saw Westbrook to Bulls note yesterday. Definitely a fit there with Lonzo's career looking up in the air but figured he'd stay In LA with Clips where he'd fit there as well.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Terrance Ross rumored to Dallas. I like that. Should fit in nicely.
I gotta say I hated this trade...but I also have been annoyed all year at the lack of minutes for Green and Hardy. With them both cleared for a lot more now and Kyrie does look amazing on the court...maybe it can work. I will say the team is a LOT more fun to watch now, although that might be because Sacramento is allergic to defense.
Luka
Kyrie
Bullock
Green
Wood
Luka
Kyrie
Green
Kleber
Wood
Luka/Kyrie
Bullock
Green
Kleber
Wood
All of those shoudl be pretty potent and ought to be decent on defense if Luka and Wood can continue to be in position. This season I'd say both are average defenders and good on the glass...Bullock and Green are plus guys...Kleber is a huge plus on D...maybe it can work?
Hardy, Hardaway, Powell, McGee make up the rest of the rotation in playoffs I think.
I gotta say I hated this trade...but I also have been annoyed all year at the lack of minutes for Green and Hardy. With them both cleared for a lot more now and Kyrie does look amazing on the court...maybe it can work. I will say the team is a LOT more fun to watch now, although that might be because Sacramento is allergic to defense.
Luka
Kyrie
Bullock
Green
Wood
Luka
Kyrie
Green
Kleber
Wood
Luka/Kyrie
Bullock
Green
Kleber
Wood
All of those shoudl be pretty potent and ought to be decent on defense if Luka and Wood can continue to be in position. This season I'd say both are average defenders and good on the glass...Bullock and Green are plus guys...Kleber is a huge plus on D...maybe it can work?
Hardy, Hardaway, Powell, McGee make up the rest of the rotation in playoffs I think.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Ross has now signed with Phoenix, as the mavs try to pull one out in OT. Kyrie looking good.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I thought I saw he signed with the Hornets
Oh, I totally misread the tweet and forgot that he was already with the Hornets...
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Ross to Suns 
Major
Footballguy
I'm a little disappointed Durant didn't stick around. I wanted to see if he could build anything with that crew instead of resorting to his ring chasing ways.
Capella
Footballguy
He’s 34. Why would he stay around to play on a 6 seed?
Capella
Footballguy
what
Major
Footballguy
I guess I always wanted to see him be the anchor and leader of a team. Brooklyn is playing well and with him you never know how good they could be. Add another stud in the off season and see what happens. Should be noted, I don't blame him for leaving. Sounds like you almost have a Dolan situation behind the scenes.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
And I thought education in the South was lacking.
I don't know a Nets fan....Nets out drawing Knicks.
My bad...Had Westbrook in my head for some reason.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Reminds me a lot of the post-Melo Nuggets. The Nuggets were 32-18 with Melo and 18-14 after the trade. They were objectively a worse team but they had a more enjoyable brand of basketball and were still very competitive.
It was a lot of fun for me as tickets were dirt cheap because everybody though the Nuggets were going to totally fall off. I got two tickets directly behind the Nuggets bench for like $100 total and got a whole row of tickets up high for $2 each and brought a whole group of friends.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I like the fit. If it REALLY works out, he can play 25 mpg splitting time with the bench and starters because he's making his shots and is capable of playing on and off the ball. If it isn't a great fit, he can still provide some inefficient offense on the second unit which is better than the no offense at all they have been getting. A couple games ago their bench scored a total of 10 points v the Magic bench that scored 56. Christian Braun played over 19 minutes and in those minutes the Nuggets scored a grand total of 0 points.
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