2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

[Gr00vus]

Dennis Schroeder managed to get his Visa situation sorted out so he could play one pre-season game for the Lakers. He's now torn his thumb ligaments during a practice and will be out 2 to 4 weeks after surgery (at least according to the press release).

It will be interesting to see what Ham does with the guard rotation. Having Westbrook and Schroeder out to start the season makes that job a bit less complex temporarily, but I don't think it helps figure things out long term. Nunn, Reaves, and Beverly might be the guys who deserve the most minutes anyway. If they're all healthy there aren't anything like enough minutes to go around.

 

[Anarchy99]

Things apparently keep getting worse for Robert Williams. Shams reporting that Timelord got a platelet-rich plasma injection, and he may be held out until the second half of the season.

 

[Jayrod]

Things apparently keep getting worse for Robert Williams. Shams reporting that Timelord got a platelet-rich plasma injection, and he may be held out until the second half of the season.

Ugh.

On the plus side, they looked really good tonight, but I don't think Horford will hold up real well having to be the primary five night in and night out.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm numb from this Lakers brickathon.

 

[Frostillicus]

Lebron is just so good. Still. He should have like 10 titles and MVPs.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I'm numb from this Lakers brickathon.

It's a 2 man team. They're going nowhere fast this year.

 

[Capella]

Lebron is just so good. Still. He should have like 10 titles and MVPs.

It absolutely sucks that he is stuck on this crap team, even if it was a prison of his own making.

 

[BassNBrew]

Lebron is just so good. Still. He should have like 10 titles and MVPs.

It absolutely sucks that he is stuck on this crap team, even if it was a prison of his own making.

He should talk to Curry and see if he could squeeze him onto the 2nd unit with Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Embiid did not look good at all last night. Slow, clumsy, and timid for the most part.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

 

[mr. furley]

Embiid did not look good at all last night. Slow, clumsy, and timid for the most part.

he has to iron out the kinks in his flop game before getting in playing condition

he was working hard on the theatrics last night so hopefully conditioning workouts will start to ramp up in the next few weeks.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Embiid did not look good at all last night. Slow, clumsy, and timid for the most part.

he has to iron out the kinks in his flop game before getting in playing condition

he was working hard on the theatrics last night so hopefully conditioning workouts will start to ramp up in the next few weeks.

He was on the floor a lot for sure. I know that some of that is to draw a foul, but also IIRC he falls a certain way on purpose (when he otherwise would not have to fall) to avoid injuries too.

 

[brun]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

 

[Frostillicus]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

I thought the same thing. None of those three are at their best shooting jumpers.

 

[the moops]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

 

[Gr00vus]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

I thought the same thing. None of those three are at their best shooting jumpers.

They have to play inside out, with the emphasis on inside, scoring around the basket, running breaks to finish at the basket. They simply don't have the personnel to run a modern, analytics optimal style offense that emphasizes 3 point shooting. They don't have competent 3 point shooters. They'll have to lean into that, focus on what they do have, or there are going to be lots of nights like last night and they'll be a sub .500 team.

Ham obviously has no idea what his rotation will be, what his most cohesive personnel groups are, where people are supposed to be on offense or defense. He gets a bit of a grace period since they gave him essentially an entirely new set of puzzle pieces that haven't played together, but he'll need to figure it out in a couple months.

Pretty sure this will be another wasted season for LeBron and Davis though. The Warriors' 10th guy is better than the Lakers' 4th guy, this roster just isn't good enough.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

Yes, I think it is.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Woof. Season hasn't even begun and things looking bleak in Chicago (again)

They still don't have a clue what's wrong with Lonzo who looks poised to possibly miss the season. And now Lavine is already out the first 2 games for left knee management on his knee he underwent surgery on in May and previously indicated no restrictions.

 

[SWC]

Lebron is just so good. Still. He should have like 10 titles and MVPs.

i wish he would leave the la fakers so that i could like him again take that to the bank brohans

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

I thought the same thing. None of those three are at their best shooting jumpers.

They have to play inside out, with the emphasis on inside, scoring around the basket, running breaks to finish at the basket. They simply don't have the personnel to run a modern, analytics optimal style offense that emphasizes 3 point shooting. They don't have competent 3 point shooters. They'll have to lean into that, focus on what they do have, or there are going to be lots of nights like last night and they'll be a sub .500 team.

Ham obviously has no idea what his rotation will be, what his most cohesive personnel groups are, where people are supposed to be on offense or defense. He gets a bit of a grace period since they gave him essentially an entirely new set of puzzle pieces that haven't played together, but he'll need to figure it out in a couple months.

Pretty sure this will be another wasted season for LeBron and Davis though. The Warriors' 10th guy is better than the Lakers' 4th guy, this roster just isn't good enough.

I agree with most of what you said. A well coached team is one where the coach emphasizes to the players to understand the strengths of the team —and to utilize those strengths to impose their will on the game. In regard to the offensive end of the floor, the biggest weakness of the Lakers is 3-point shooting. Everybody (including the Lakers players) knows this. If the best way to be successful is to feast on your strengths and to minimize the effects of your weaknesses—the formula for the Lakers needs to be to limit how many 3-point field goals they take. Looking at last nights game. The Warriors will probably be the best (or one of the best) 3-point shooting teams this season—and can possibly go down as one of the better 3-point shooting teams in the history of the NBA. They took only five more 3-point field goal attempts than the Lakers did last night. Their biggest strength on the offensive end is 3-point shooting, and the Lakers biggest weakness on the offensive end is 3-point shooting—yet the Lakers took only five fewer 3-point field goals than they did. This is not a talent problem—this is poor decision making. This is an identity crisis problem.

I refuse to blame it on talent. A healthy Lebron and Davis alone should be enough to almost warranty a playoff birth if playing intelligently and optimally. Westbrook can still be a solid asset on the court IF utilized intelligently and in a way that optimizes his skill set. Patrick Beverly and Kendrick Nunn are good players. I’ll probably get clowned for this—but Austin Reaves is decent. They will also have Dennis Schroeder and Thomas Bryant joining the team in a few weeks. If the Lakers miss the playoffs this season—I believe it will be either due to injury, or through unintelligent play. I don’t think that this roster is void of talent. With all of that said , I’m excited to more teams play tonight.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

If he is standing it is not a foul but he is only entitled to his space on the floor when Harden elevates to shoot (unless he is maintaing LGP). Anytie you make a non-vertical contest like that you are going to get rung up on contact and, by definition, get a flagrant if the shooter lands on your foot.

 

[the moops]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

If he is standing it is not a foul but he is only entitled to his space on the floor when Harden elevates to shoot (unless he is maintaing LGP). Anytie you make a non-vertical contest like that you are going to get rung up on contact and, by definition, get a flagrant if the shooter lands on your foot.

That's dumb.

But probably not as dumb as Tatum getting a tech for complaining about a bad call that got overturned under review. Seems like if you complain but are correct, the T should be rescinded

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Iggy's return already worth it...

 

[Navin Johnson]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

If he is standing it is not a foul but he is only entitled to his space on the floor when Harden elevates to shoot (unless he is maintaing LGP). Anytie you make a non-vertical contest like that you are going to get rung up on contact and, by definition, get a flagrant if the shooter lands on your foot.

That's dumb.

Blame Kawhi

 

[Gr00vus]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

I thought the same thing. None of those three are at their best shooting jumpers.

They have to play inside out, with the emphasis on inside, scoring around the basket, running breaks to finish at the basket. They simply don't have the personnel to run a modern, analytics optimal style offense that emphasizes 3 point shooting. They don't have competent 3 point shooters. They'll have to lean into that, focus on what they do have, or there are going to be lots of nights like last night and they'll be a sub .500 team.

Ham obviously has no idea what his rotation will be, what his most cohesive personnel groups are, where people are supposed to be on offense or defense. He gets a bit of a grace period since they gave him essentially an entirely new set of puzzle pieces that haven't played together, but he'll need to figure it out in a couple months.

Pretty sure this will be another wasted season for LeBron and Davis though. The Warriors' 10th guy is better than the Lakers' 4th guy, this roster just isn't good enough.

I agree with most of what you said. A well coached team is one where the coach emphasizes to the players to understand the strengths of the team —and to utilize those strengths to impose their will on the game. In regard to the offensive end of the floor, the biggest weakness of the Lakers is 3-point shooting. Everybody (including the Lakers players) knows this. If the best way to be successful is to feast on your strengths and to minimize the effects of your weaknesses—the formula for the Lakers needs to be to limit how many 3-point field goals they take. Looking at last nights game. The Warriors will probably be the best (or one of the best) 3-point shooting teams this season—and can possibly go down as one of the better 3-point shooting teams in the history of the NBA. They took only five more 3-point field goal attempts than the Lakers did last night. Their biggest strength on the offensive end is 3-point shooting, and the Lakers biggest weakness on the offensive end is 3-point shooting—yet the Lakers took only five fewer 3-point field goals than they did. This is not a talent problem—this is poor decision making. This is an identity crisis problem.

I refuse to blame it on talent. A healthy Lebron and Davis alone should be enough to almost warranty a playoff birth if playing intelligently and optimally. Westbrook can still be a solid asset on the court IF utilized intelligently and in a way that optimizes his skill set. Patrick Beverly and Kendrick Nunn are good players. I’ll probably get clowned for this—but Austin Reaves is decent. They will also have Dennis Schroeder and Thomas Bryant joining the team in a few weeks. If the Lakers miss the playoffs this season—I believe it will be either due to injury, or through unintelligent play. I don’t think that this roster is void of talent. With all of that said , I’m excited to more teams play tonight.

I agree with all this. There are ways to use the talent they've got effectively, and if that's done they would get a playoff berth. It would be a heck of a thing for a 1st year head coach to pull it off though, given all the noise constantly surrounding him and this team, and the personalities within the team itself.

 

[Anarchy99]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

If he is standing it is not a foul but he is only entitled to his space on the floor when Harden elevates to shoot (unless he is maintaing LGP). Anytie you make a non-vertical contest like that you are going to get rung up on contact and, by definition, get a flagrant if the shooter lands on your foot.

That's dumb.

But probably not as dumb as Tatum getting a tech for complaining about a bad call that got overturned under review. Seems like if you complain but are correct, the T should be rescinded

It wouldn't shock me if the league takes the technical away from Tatum with regard to the 17 technical fouls in a season = one game suspension rule.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't think Ham got the right take away from last nights game...

“It’s a make-or-miss league,” Ham said. “We just have to continue to get the reps. Get them up in practice, get them up in shootaround, individual workouts. We just have to continue to shoot, shoot, shoot. Repetition — you become better at anything with more reps. We just have to get them up.... They’re all open looks that’s designed within the system. Guys just got to step up and knock down shots. There’s nothing to be explained in that regard.”

It's going to be a long season (and no post season) if this is Ham's approach to making adjustments (and his capacity to realistically assess the abilities of his players).

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

The More You Know

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't think Ham got the right take away from last nights game...

“It’s a make-or-miss league,” Ham said. “We just have to continue to get the reps. Get them up in practice, get them up in shootaround, individual workouts. We just have to continue to shoot, shoot, shoot. Repetition — you become better at anything with more reps. We just have to get them up.... They’re all open looks that’s designed within the system. Guys just got to step up and knock down shots. There’s nothing to be explained in that regard.”

It's going to be a long season (and no post season) if this is Ham's approach to making adjustments (and his capacity to realistically assess the abilities of his players).

Yea. These are veterans -- they are who they are.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I get the wanting to protect players and giving them the space to land after a jump shot. It is comical when Harden is taking a step back three yet still land a foot inside the three point line and Horford is called for a flagrant. That shouldnt even be a foul. Like what if Horford was just standing inside the three and Harden shot and landed on his foot, is that a foul?

If he is standing it is not a foul but he is only entitled to his space on the floor when Harden elevates to shoot (unless he is maintaing LGP). Anytie you make a non-vertical contest like that you are going to get rung up on contact and, by definition, get a flagrant if the shooter lands on your foot.

That's dumb.

But probably not as dumb as Tatum getting a tech for complaining about a bad call that got overturned under review. Seems like if you complain but are correct, the T should be rescinded

It wouldn't shock me if the league takes the technical away from Tatum with regard to the 17 technical fouls in a season = one game suspension rule.

I haven't seen it yet, but if they do, it will have nothing to do with whether or not he had a valid complaint

 

[Moe.]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

 

[Moe.]

Wikkid had been pining for Noah Vonleh to join the Celtics for the last few years. Brought a smile to my face to see him get minutes and look pretty good during them last night.

 

[Anarchy99]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

I'm all in favor of guys getting T'ed up when they whine and complain, stomp their feet, and get in the face of refs. Tatum did none of that on this particular call. He threw his arms up in the air and looked at the ref and picked up a technical on a play that the initial foul was overturned. He didn't run at or scream at the ref. He just stood in the same spot are got a T. Believe you me, Tatum has earned his share of technicals (and likely should have had plenty more), but I don't think last night was one of those times.

 

[the moops]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

I'm all in favor of guys getting T'ed up when they whine and complain, stomp their feet, and get in the face of refs. Tatum did none of that on this particular call. He threw his arms up in the air and looked at the ref and picked up a technical on a play that the initial foul was overturned. He didn't run at or scream at the ref. He just stood in the same spot are got a T. Believe you me, Tatum has earned his share of technicals (and likely should have had plenty more), but I don't think last night was one of those times.

Yea. I do find Tatum to be over the top with lots of his whining. This was too quick of a T though, especially considering how ****ty of a call it was.

It's also just the consistency. I would be fine if they T'ed up everyone for any little bit of whining. But the amount of leeway some players have is ludicrous compared to others

 

[brun]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

I don't think he's even the whiniest on the Celtics.

 

[the moops]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

I don't think he's even the whiniest on the Celtics.

Grant?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I'll admit I may not be totally objective in my view but I can't stand watching Hardin play much of the time.
Bring the ball up to the 3 point line, dribble between the legs, behind the back, step back, shoot, kick out that front foot and hope for a foul. Frustrates me when he gets those calls especially when it turns into a flagrant.

I’m glad this is the first year Harden has been doing this. It would be really maddening by now if we had to watch this for 7 or 8 years in a row.

 

[brun]

Tatum was the whiniest player in the league last year, I’m fine if they go strict on him early. He needs to cut it out

I don't think he's even the whiniest on the Celtics.

Grant?

To me, yes. Tatum makes big arm flapping OMG gestures that are more visible but Grant won't STFU even he's on the bench and not involved in the play.

 

[Gr00vus]

Anthony Davis is the least effective jump shooter in the NBA over the last 2+ seasons...

 

[mr. furley]

The More You Know

this is how the Lakers improve this year, right? trade AD to a team who thinks they can get him to play 70 games a season?

i know Westbrook probably gets traded and there's talk about him for Turner and Hield, but if they get that done AND move AD they could get significantly better pretty quickly. let someone else deal with AD playing 40 games this year.

 

[Capella]

https://twitter.com/orlandomagic/status/1582901580730290176?s=46&t=yW-NgkXWMeCR0hV78iO54A

PAOLO

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

The More You Know

this is how the Lakers improve this year, right? trade AD to a team who thinks they can get him to play 70 games a season?

i know Westbrook probably gets traded and there's talk about him for Turner and Hield, but if they get that done AND move AD they could get significantly better pretty quickly. let someone else deal with AD playing 40 games this year.

I think they're convinced they can still compete now. I don't see it and that window has closed.

Who knows if/when he gets moved. I'd move him at some point in the near-ish future just to try and salvage the future of the franchise (and also not make move for Turner/Hield). I don't think they'd deal for Turner/Hield for their last remaining picks.......and then move AD. You make a move for Turner (last year of deal I believe) and Hield, you're trying to compete now. (would make little sense to move AD in that scenario because you're not getting the better player in the present in return)

 

[whoknew]

Holy crap the Pistons are going to be so good in 2 years.

 

[whoknew]

Holy crap the Pistons are going to be so good in 2 years.

BEEF STEW WITH THE HUGE 3

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

The Pelicans rolling over Brooklyn in Brooklyn is great shtick.

 

[Moe.]

The Pelicans rolling over Brooklyn in Brooklyn is great shtick.

The pelicans might be really really good. Hopefully Zion stays healthy.

Ben Simmons played like a better version of Tony Snell. Gonna take awhile

 

[Major]

Holy crap the Pistons are going to be so good in 2 years.

Yeah, Ivey and Cunningham are going to be a great 1-2.

Still pissed at Orlando for picking Paolo. I was set on him being a Rocket

 

[whoknew]

Holy crap the Pistons are going to be so good in 2 years.

Yeah, Ivey and Cunningham are going to be a great 1-2.

Still pissed at Orlando for picking Paolo. I was set on him being a Rocket

Yea he (Banchero) looked great.

 

[Major]

Holy crap the Pistons are going to be so good in 2 years.

Yeah, Ivey and Cunningham are going to be a great 1-2.

Still pissed at Orlando for picking Paolo. I was set on him being a Rocket

Yea he (Banchero) looked great.

He's looked great in the pre season as well. Definitely NBA ready. Jabari Smith is going to be more of a project.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

The Hawks could be sneaky good this season. They had four players with 20 points each tonight—and thats with no Bogdanovic. Trae had to create for everybody and be the lead scorer on the Hawks in previous seasons. Now he actually has a pretty well balanced team to work with.