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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (1 Viewer)
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mr. furley
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i said it
mr. furley
Footballguy
seriously though.. aging player, selfish player, can't get to the basket regularly anymore. doesn't fit with Embiid. probably shouldn't on the floor at the same time anyways. maybe never played defense well, but at least at some point he tried now and again? not anymore.
some team out there thinks "we can win big with James Harden". it's not the Sixers.
some team out there thinks "we can win big with James Harden". it's not the Sixers.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Have you seen him play this year?
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Bromigo
would the sixers be better or worse without him this year i honestly dont have a good feel for that take that to the bank brohans
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Embiid and Maxey love him too. He just took a pay cut to stay with the Sixers and make some acquisitions. There is a 0.0% chance the Sixers even pick up the phone to listen to an offer.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i know it's the Harden Renaissance(tm) which is why they should sell high
mr. furley
Footballguy
he's basically a 1/3 dimensional player now
no defense, apathetic, not getting to the basket anymore. he's down over 2 FT attempts per game this season. ppg is in decline. rebounds, assists, steals all down from last year.
3 point attempts and makes down. percentage down.
he's in decline and not the kind of guy who is going to work hard to get it back. wouldn't be shocked to see James pack on 60 like that guy who played pg, got fat and turned in to a point power forward (whose name is escaping me at the moment).
he's 33. gotta package that kind of guy and get max value now before he turns in to Oliver Miller, but thinks he's 23 and still wants to dominate the ball with a much better player on the court.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Magic Johnson?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Boris Diaw?
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Bromigo
shawn kemp take that to the bank brohans
Zow
Footballguy
Antoine Walker?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Show me.....RAYMOND FELTON!
mr. furley
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
those step back 3s take a lot more energy to lift 280 than they do 240. especially with 13 years of minutes on those knees.
and forget about driving to the basket or having the lift to finish at the rim. ol Jimbo is gonna find it difficult to even flail halfheartedly at a ballhandler who already drove past him in a few months.
and forget about driving to the basket or having the lift to finish at the rim. ol Jimbo is gonna find it difficult to even flail halfheartedly at a ballhandler who already drove past him in a few months.
HomerSimpson
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Bromigo
this is and has been for a long time one of my favorite basketball quotes take that to the bank brochacho
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Collin Gillespie, PG, Denver Nuggets ( Two Way Contract, UDFA, will make 500K this season)
Another "Nova Corps" type extremely fundamental player. At the NBA level, he's going to struggle with hard contact and his ability to finish at the cup is in doubt. Is not a plus athlete, will struggle on switches and he's matchup dependent on defense. He won't profile out to be a weapon in transition. He won't have much of a growth curve at the NBA level.
What does work? He can get to the rim first and foremost. Also he plays within his practical limitations, and the long range shooting should translate. Carries lots of "Andre Miller Coach On The Floor" vibes. If you make a mistake in front of him, Gillespie will make you pay for it. Error free disciplined fundamental baller. Has the "Merton Hanks Gene" where he's going to find a way to make a play somewhere. Is typically a source of pure chaos for his opponents. Is injured right now, so he's a long term stash / watch list guy. Because he's an older player, when he does get some burn, what you see is likely what you'll always get with him. What's critical is the Nuggets believe in him and understand his potential.
The Wedge Antilles of NBA prospects.
NCAA Tournament Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1wtLAMED4
Villanova Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLMVrLL8P74
Scouting Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRbrjYYU1Y
Another "Nova Corps" type extremely fundamental player. At the NBA level, he's going to struggle with hard contact and his ability to finish at the cup is in doubt. Is not a plus athlete, will struggle on switches and he's matchup dependent on defense. He won't profile out to be a weapon in transition. He won't have much of a growth curve at the NBA level.
What does work? He can get to the rim first and foremost. Also he plays within his practical limitations, and the long range shooting should translate. Carries lots of "Andre Miller Coach On The Floor" vibes. If you make a mistake in front of him, Gillespie will make you pay for it. Error free disciplined fundamental baller. Has the "Merton Hanks Gene" where he's going to find a way to make a play somewhere. Is typically a source of pure chaos for his opponents. Is injured right now, so he's a long term stash / watch list guy. Because he's an older player, when he does get some burn, what you see is likely what you'll always get with him. What's critical is the Nuggets believe in him and understand his potential.
The Wedge Antilles of NBA prospects.
NCAA Tournament Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO1wtLAMED4
Villanova Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLMVrLL8P74
Scouting Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRbrjYYU1Y
Chemical X
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any chance the messed up, pick accumulating okc look to deal sga? or do they wait for chet the twig and see what they’ve got? cause if i’m the knicks (who took k knox at 9, 2 picks ahead of sga), i am offering barrett, toppin or another youth combo and 3-5 of my 1s for him. he’s basically a man team right now…and winning.
Moe.
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no chance. He’s the best player on the team for sure (he was incredible in the 4th quarter last night against the Magic) but I gotta pushback on the one man team deal. The Thunder are not bad at all with everyone out there. Poku is figuring it out (last night was his best game as a pro), Dort is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and Giddey is a future all-star. Tre Mann is a nice piece off the bench, Dieng is an intriguing teenager and the kid from Santa Clara looks like a contributor. It’s why I said they won’t actively tank this year - they are just too good unless they start holding people out unnecessarily.
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Moe.
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I actually think Harden has been solid this year and he seems to understand his limitations and that he’s on the decline. It’s Embiid’s team, Jimbo knows it, and yeah he sucks at defense but he generally plays hard when he’s out there. He’s just lazy off the court. I think the consternation about Philly’s start is gonna look really really dumb by Christmas. They are great.
Anarchy99
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If you believe in PER as an advanced metric, Harden ranks 13th in the league out of players that play 30+ minutes a game. Embiid is ranked 12th.
Major
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Seems to me the Sixers are looking more like Morey's Rockets and adapting to Harden's style of hero ball. Should work well during the regular season. Best of luck in post.
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Bromigo
james equals jimbo just like groovus equals groovbo take that to the bank groovebro
Craig_MiamiFL
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Long Ball Larry
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I think they’re trying to figure out how to blend it all together for more versatility come playoff time
mr. furley
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Jimbo Slice, Honey Bun, El Chapo, The Beard.... apparently all his nicknames
Brunell4MVP
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Watched harden the last two games vs Wiz. He looks pretty damn good to me. And I’ve been anti-harden for years. Still whines about a foul every time he misses. But his passing was superior.
General Malaise
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Didn't they just lose at home by a lot to the Wizards as 6 point favorites? How is this working well in the regular season?
Major
Footballguy
Doesn't surprise me without Embid. The Sixers will be fine.
Leeroy Jenkins
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No Embiid. No Melton. Thybulle hurt his ankle in the first half. Those are the top 3 defenders on the team.
Nathan R. Jessep
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Yeahhhh.
And I stayed up for that 
Missing 2 free throws when we only needed 1 to ice it. Then leaving a guy fairly open outside the arc on the final shot in regulation. That's a tough one to swallow. We were a bit off the whole night and down 16 at one point late, so I suppose I'll look at the silver lining that we battled back. But let me reiterate...
Anarchy99
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I've watched most of all the Celtics games so far. They have blown 10+ leads in multiple games (sometimes more than once in the same game). They have fallen back into bad habits. Either the guy bringing the ball up the floor jacks up a three or passes to another guy that jacks up a three. On rare occasion when someone drives the lane, that guy makes a wild pass to the perimeter and hopes someone is there to jack up a three. They live and die by the three pointer, and when they aren't hitting them, they can go half a quarter and not score any points. Related to that, they allow so many long rebounds that it's hard for them to set their defense properly, and they end up having bad matchups on the defensive end. They have tried to go more up tempo, but they turn the ball over way too much on those types of possessions (traveling, palming, offensive fouls, losing the ball out of bounds, throwing the ball away, etc.). Not sure how they fix all that. It would help getting Timelord back, but that seems a long ways away.
On the Ime front, rumors are starting to leak out. I heard something on the radio this morning about there (allegedly) being texts of him to women in the organization. Apparently, a multitude of women in the organization. The people involved in the investigation mentioned already they were only investigating allegations involving one particularly woman, and that didn't mean there weren't other issues involving other women. Give it some time, and more will come out . . . especially once the C's are off the hook for his contract.
Players on the team are also said to be disgruntled. They liked Ime and wanted him back as coach and had to go with the flow. Now it looks like whatever he did wasn't so bad and instead of him coaching the Celtics, it looks like he will be coaching the Nets. The players don't understand why the coach they liked couldn't coach them again this year, and really aren't fans of the Nets potentially having them as their coach a few weeks into the season.
On the Ime front, rumors are starting to leak out. I heard something on the radio this morning about there (allegedly) being texts of him to women in the organization. Apparently, a multitude of women in the organization. The people involved in the investigation mentioned already they were only investigating allegations involving one particularly woman, and that didn't mean there weren't other issues involving other women. Give it some time, and more will come out . . . especially once the C's are off the hook for his contract.
Players on the team are also said to be disgruntled. They liked Ime and wanted him back as coach and had to go with the flow. Now it looks like whatever he did wasn't so bad and instead of him coaching the Celtics, it looks like he will be coaching the Nets. The players don't understand why the coach they liked couldn't coach them again this year, and really aren't fans of the Nets potentially having them as their coach a few weeks into the season.
Jayrod
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I finally got to watch a full Celtics game last night and it was a good one.
Mitchell's shot making down the stretch was tremendous. He hit a couple of just ridiculous shots. If Tatum hadn't blocked his shot at the end of regulation, I believe he would have made it to win the game he was just that hot. Garland was good early, hitting his first 4 shots for like 11 points in the first 5 minutes, but he missed a game sealing floater in OT and really deferred to Mitchell in the late portions of the game. Mobley and Allen were effective for spurts and both Love and Lavert hit some big shots. Defensively, they were OK but honestly got a little lucky.
The Celtics shot quite poorly and missed a bunch of OPEN looks at 3 (were 11/41 for 26.8%), missed at least 10 layups and were sloppy with the ball (had 14 TO's). Many of the TO's were just out of control passes or forcing passes into too tight of a space. There were also quite possibly a record number of travelling violations called on both teams (like 6-7 combined) and even a carry called on Brogdon. Bickerstaff was livid with the refs on multiple occasions at the end of the 4th qtr, but they also benefitted from 2 phantom calls at the end of the 3rd giving them 4 FT's to extend their lead. I like Joe Mazzulla's demeanor on the sideline and coolness even in the face of a tight game on the road. They got a decent look at the buzzer from Brown to win it and it just didn't go.
Defensively, Boston did some very nice things. They denied guys at the rim on multiple occasions. Smart's shenanigans benefitted them a couple of times baiting Allen into a big offensive foul in OT. Honestly if it wasn't for Mitchell just making something happen vs great defense, Boston would have won it in regulation.
Best play of the game was Tatum's monster dunk to tie it in regulation. They ran a nice set play from sideline in-bounds and he got a full head of steam toward the rim and Allen was just a step late. There was some contact and Tatum was livid he didn't get the and-1, but I thought it was a good no-call since he didn't really make contact until the ball was already in the rim and Tatum didn't go to the ground. Don't want to decide the game on the touch foul and they also let Tatum make some arm/body contact on the block on Mitchell at the buzzer. Sure the officials missed some stuff, but they found a nice balance between controlling the physical play but letting the players decide the game.
Even though the Celtics came up a little short, it was a GREAT regular season game and I wouldn't be surprised if these two teams see each other in the ECFinals.
Jayrod
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They were sloppy with the ball at times, but their 3-pt shot selection was fine. It is the way of the NBA now and statistically it is the correct play in most of those instances. They also rebounded really really well against 2 good rebounders. Their was one big offensive rebound they gave up either late in the 4th or OT, but for the most part they controlled the glass. I also like that they are more willing to run out on the break and should tighten up their ball security as they get more familiar with each other playing that style. It really does benefit them to get Tatum and Brown going downhill before the defense is set.
Man I really hope their culture doesn't implode. The end of the Kyrie era and the subsequent way the players tuned out Stevens was ugly to watch. Hopefully they like Mazzulla enough to stay the course even if they don't like the Ime situation.
Anarchy99
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They don't dislike Mazzulla, but they don't understand what Ime did that was so awful that he can coach the Nets but not the Celtics. I admit I wonder that myself. It's unclear what the players know (or think they know) about what Udoka did (or didn't do).
As for their shot selection, I agree that long term it's better to take good open threes, but I don't like that they take them with 15-20 seconds left on the shot clock . . . especially when they have a double-digit lead. In two games with the Cavs, they gave the lead back in 90-120 seconds. I get it, teams go on runs, but IMO the momentum wouldn't shift so quickly if they had longer possessions and potentially were in position to get some rebounds. Last night, they were shooting threes with no one close to the basket. Total rebounds were about even last night, but the Bulls were +15 rebounds and the Cavs were +8 the first game. They are averaging -3.5 rebounds per game on the season so far. Maybe that will even out, and maybe that will improve with Williams when he eventually comes back.
I'm just concerned that there are games where they clearly look like the better team and end up losing in the 4th quarter (home or away). They did that a lot last year and recovered by the end of the season, but not exactly what you want to see.
GordonGekko
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There have also been rough calls on Jordan Poole for "carries"
This isn't aimed at Brogdon nor Poole, it's aimed at Lebron James.
As soon as he started making public noise about wanting to be an owner in a possible Vegas expansion, the league machine, NBA HQ and Adam Silver are going to start the phase out of LBJ across the board. Flaunting Klutch Sports enraged all the agents. The Decision enraged all the old guard owners. Tampering by talking about other players on other rosters, while Klutch was involved in some fashion in those discussions, enraged people around the league.
No one wants LBJ as a future league owner or having a major share of an ownership group.
As new stars cycle into the league, the number of "superstar" calls from refs changes hands. Happened to Iverson in a hard way. Happened to Ray Allen after he started talking about other players contracts in public. Happened savagely to Dwayne Wade as the refs hated his guts. Is happening now to James Harden. And finally LBJ and his patented "crab dribble" is the new target.
LBJ is going to have a harder time complaining in public when the league says it's a widespread crackdown and not just him. But it is just him. Mostly.
Leeroy Jenkins
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I feel like all of that will come out once he coaches a game for the Nets.
MAC_32
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Ssshhh...please keep the commentary on the Lakers demise, Philly nonsense, Kyrie, etc. Nothing to see here.
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