I’ve got issues with Nate Duncan as an analyst, but he and Hollinger floated a #3, Simons, and Nurkic for KAT deal and they said Portland wouldn’t do it. That’s just one dubious datapoint but nobody is giving a godfather offer for KAT.
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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Imagine a team like Butler, Jokic and Brunson.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
And "You know we won 3 out of the 4 quarters." It's only one game and Miami won't make 16 of 32 threes again.Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Heat stole game 1 on the road in all three playoff series this year.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
And "You know we won 3 out of the 4 quarters." It's only one game and Miami won't make 16 of 32 threes again.Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
oh boy. He‘ll wish he could take that one back.
Craig_MiamiFL
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And "You know we won 3 out of the 4 quarters." It's only one game and Miami won't make 16 of 32 threes again.Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
Thank you. Totally forgot he started off with that gem.Guy comes off wholly unprepared and overwhelmed. Realize he just got the head coach designation and extension but I'd be stunned if he were long for that job. Maybe in time he grows into being a capable head guy but right now he seems way over his head.
It's a big jump going from a total of 2 years low level head coaching experience at Fairmont State to heading arguably the most talented roster in the NBA
Jayrod
Footballguy
What a debacle of the 3rd quarter.
Came out swinging to start the 4th, but Spo calls timeout and things settle and Boston never gets closer than 5.
Can't give up 48 or whatever in a quarter and win. What a crap job in the 3rd in all phases cost them a good game from Tatum. Their turnovers were bad too.
Came out swinging to start the 4th, but Spo calls timeout and things settle and Boston never gets closer than 5.
Can't give up 48 or whatever in a quarter and win. What a crap job in the 3rd in all phases cost them a good game from Tatum. Their turnovers were bad too.
trader jake
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Step 2: Put your junk in that box.
ShamrockPride
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mr fancypants
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Jimmy "Friggin" Butler
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Gatorman
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Solid chipper of a win by Miami last night. Have to thank Boston for doing Boston things once they got up by double digits.
the announcers pointed out that Tatum was basically a decoy for most of the second half. How do you do that to your best player? I know smart was dishing dimes all night but you had to figure spo would adjust at halftime and the celts had no plan b.
Lowry has been a bum for most of his heat tenure so far. Herro getting hurt and Kyle being as healthy as ever in a heat uniform changes the face of this miami team. When Duncan Robinson is getting fouled going for a defensive rebound you know this team is all in.
refs were definitely serving some home cooking for everyone in green and jimmy buckets.
the announcers pointed out that Tatum was basically a decoy for most of the second half. How do you do that to your best player? I know smart was dishing dimes all night but you had to figure spo would adjust at halftime and the celts had no plan b.
Lowry has been a bum for most of his heat tenure so far. Herro getting hurt and Kyle being as healthy as ever in a heat uniform changes the face of this miami team. When Duncan Robinson is getting fouled going for a defensive rebound you know this team is all in.
refs were definitely serving some home cooking for everyone in green and jimmy buckets.
Gatorman
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Crazy thing is I thought defensively both teams played well in spurts but it was still a 230 point night. There was about 3 or 4 minutes of game time in the 4th where it was Celtics turnover to heat missed shot or turnover and both teams still blew past 100 points.
identikit
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That's what a good coach does.
Not talk afterwards about 'winning' 3 out of 4 quarters of a game he helped lose.
the moops
Footballguy
I kinda have to laugh at this. Butler takes a desperation three that gets a crazy bounce to go in, with his team already up 7 with a minute to go, and somehow that becomes the signature shot of the game. He was awesome all game long. Even if he misses that shot the Heat win easily and Jimmy is still awesome.Jimmy "Friggin" Butler
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gruecd
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as a Bucks fan...
mr. furley
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the Celtics are going to lose in game 7 of the NBA finals on a miracle half-court heave and Mazzulla is going to get firedAnd "You know we won 3 out of the 4 quarters." It's only one game and Miami won't make 16 of 32 threes again.Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
Guy comes off wholly unprepared and overwhelmed. Realize he just got the head coach designation and extension but I'd be stunned if he were long for that job. Maybe in time he grows into being a capable head guy but right now he seems way over his head.
It's a big jump going from a total of 2 years low level head coaching experience at Fairmont State to heading arguably the most talented roster in the NBA
then Celtics fans are going to burn jerseys, threaten to erase his family tree and cry that Doc Rivers would have won them the title this year
Capella
Footballguy
Yea I mean that’s a pretty bad one. Hard to get past that. Especially for who they chose over him.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Choosing Fultz over Tatum as well
identikit
Footballguy
Comes across as very smug to me
General Malaise
Footballguy
Imagine how the team that drafted him feels....
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
he took it off at some point in the sixers' series, then got hit in the face, so maybe being cautious and/or aggravated something.
Gatorman
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As a heat fan, I do love this, but unless Jimmy wins a title with Miami, I think both the sixers and jimmy lost out here. If the sixers and jimmy had worked something out, I think the sixers have at least one title by now, Jimmy has his legacy etc. etc. Now, one can say that if the heat win a title it will be "Jimmy's title" whereas if he won one in Philly it would be a validation of "THE PROCESS" or an Embiid title.
The Heat, their FO, and Spo all look great making this happen, of course, especially after lebron left, but this could be a circumstance of both the player and the original team losing ou due to ego.
Insein
Footballguy
There was no choice. Celtics were always taking Tatum. They just suckered Collangelo into giving up an extra first to take the guy that would have been there at 3.
Pipes
Footballguy
I said the same thing about the Bucks when they lost game 1 at home to Miami. This Miami team is scrappy with Jimmy B playing the way he is it wouldn't shock me to see the Heat win this series.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I kind of agree and kind of don't. JJ Reddick interviewed Butler and he went in depth about his season in Philly. He disliked the coach and culture. I think if Butler is honest he would rather be happy in Miami without a title then unhappy Philly and with a title.
Insein
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I think the reasons he didn't like the culture were because of Brown and Simmons. If they got rid of both of them (something they did to both within 2 years), he'd probably have been happier with Joel.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Jimmy's had quite the journey. Started with storied Chicago franchise. Then dealt to the armpit of the association. Thereafter, said joke of franchise got fleeced sending him to arguably the most talented franchise he'd been part of in Philly, only to lose to Kawhi's playoff magic. Sixers then dealt him to another recent championship franchise in Miami where he now could carry another undermanned Heat team to the finals.
SWC
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i used to watch ole jimmy buckets at marquette games live and in person at the bradley center and let me tell you he was not then what he is now he was a good player but he was not this player one of the most improved guys i have ever seen after college hes just a different man take that to the bank brohans
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Probably, but if he stays you can't guarantee that they are gone. Butler might have covered up some of Brown's shortcomings as a coach. Simmons is probably still gone, but maybe with Butler being the leader Simmons doesn't crack under the pressure.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I have remembered this incorrectly. For some reason I thought Philly traded for the first pick and then choose Fultz (Tatum went 3rd if memory serves).
Did the trade come with a clause that Philly would not be allowed draft Tatum?
Gatorman
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I would say Jimmy and Miami is the perfect combo of player and culture, even more so than wade in Miami and definitely Lebron in Miami. Blow ups happen between player, coach, and team in every franchise, but somehow the heat (and likely the spurs) are fundamentally sound to be able to handle all of that in house. It is when the player chafes at Miami's culture they become expendable.
I guess in ever job you can be successful and miserable or less successful and happy.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
no, but all of the reporting since claims that Boston knew that the Sixers would be taking Fultz and that if they hadn't known that, they wouldn't have made the trade.
PIK95
Footballguy
If you guys don't watch the Celtics on the reg, you have no idea how bad Tatum can kill the team with bad decisions, selfish play, and general crappies. It's a thing. Probably why it's rumored Jaylen has had enough, and why Marcus takes so many big shots at the ends of games. Wouldn't matter who the coach is. Tatum can be maddening.Not impressed with Mazzulla at all. Seems over his head and incapable of making adjustments.
Post game question: 'Joe, what could you have done to prevent the Heat from scoring 46 (in 3rd QTR)?'
"Make more shots"
mr. furley
Footballguy
they referenced this during the game
he kept it on because he was playing well with it on and he doesn't want to switch anything up as a result.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I was about to say something similar. The Heat's culture is made for Jimmy Butler (I bet Kobe would have loved it too)
Insein
Footballguy
Basically not in those words. Ainge made sure Philly wasn't looking to take Tatum before making the trade. If they thought Philly would move up and take him, they wouldn't have traded.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
100%. Been preaching this. Brett Brown and Simmons over him is almost impossible to overcome (compounded by other mistakes).
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Why are you like, so obsessed with trashing the Wolves at every opportunity? Yeah, it hasn't been a succesful franchise. Way to break the case, Ace Ventura!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Every time Butler does well, other franchises catch strays 
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Hated to see him go from Bulls.
Looked at the Wolves return for him. Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless. Woof
gruecd
Footballguy
Wouldn't shock me anymore to see Miami win the whole damn thing. That series loss to them is becoming less and less embarrassing...
Jayrod
Footballguy
While it wouldn't "shock" me, big difference in that Giannis was hurt early in game 1 and out for games 2 & 3. The thought was they would be fine and would win out when he came back, but it definitely made it a different series.
The Celtics biggest hurdle is always themselves.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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i'm hanging in and enjoying the NBA thread. it delivers as always.
congrats on the new business
GET A ROOM ALREADY!!!!!
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
LaVine and Markkanen was a decent return for Jimmy. Too bad Markkanen turned into a Portland pick which might not ever convey.
Todem
Footballguy
And those 6 steals.......oh my.
Boston already in a must win Game 2........Heat can play loose. If by some wild way they actually pull out game 2......lights out Boston.
Heat just needs to hold the home court.....which they have the past 7 games. They have a distinct coaching advantage and Jimmy ****ing Butler.
Let’s Go!!!!!!!
trader jake
Footballguy
All the talk in this thread regarding the culture of the Heat vs Sixers is overstating the importance of Jimmy Butler. He's more a symptom and less of a cause.Every time Butler does well, other franchises catch strays
The Heat's culture is strong because Pat Riley didn't bow down to LeBron James or Dwayne Wade. He kept Spo as head coach and wouldn't give in. This did cost Miami when James went back to Cleveland, but preserved the team first. Then, near the end of Wade's career the Heat wouldn't overpay him, and he signed a big deal with the Bulls. Of course it didn't work there (3 Alphas
), but Miami was also smart enough to bring him back after he realized the error of his ways.On the other side of that culture coin the Sixers went with The Process. Which was a fine strategy, but they did so with very, very few veteran players that could help build things correctly even while the losses piled up (same mistake Houston has been making of late). Then they empowered the most talented players like Simmons & Embiid, but without the responsibility being earned from the previous leaders / vets. Add in a disjointed group of governors, head coach, and certainly general managers and the whole thing feels like it's built on sand.
...and I don't mean South Beach sand.
Organizations can certainly win big by doing whatever they can do to land and keep specific big name players (Lakers bubble title with LeBron & AD), but more often that just doesn't work (Clippers with Kawhi & PG, Nets with KD & Kyrie, and numerous other examples of late) and then the organization is gutted with a big hole where salary, draft picks, and a sense of competency typically reside.
Jimmy Butler is a perfect fit for the Heat because he's not the type of player that needs to be catered to. He wants greatness and is willing to work for it and to be held accountable when he doesn't get the job done. Organizations that are unwilling or incapable of standing up to star players when they should will ultimately fail.
The Sixers of late are a great example. They constantly coddle and protect and obfuscate and argue and give excuses. That's why that team hasn't made it past the 2nd round in forever while a much less talented team like Miami always seems to develop players from nowhere and overachieve.
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Without talent none of this really matters, but if I'm a star player like (oh I don't know) Luka Doncic I'm looking around my own organization and I feel a lot of Sixers vibes there right now. That should worry Dallas fans. Meanwhile, OKC has been piling up losses for years, but from the outside the culture there feels a lot more like the Heat.
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