2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (3 Viewers)

[identikit]

Interesting line for tonight's game:

Coach Joe: over/under 1.5 timeouts called

 

[Yo Mama]

Oh yeah, kpj has that funky contract and has a decent salary for next year, but still nowhere near possible to make it work.

Rockets are below the cap so they don’t have to match salaries. They could basically send back a trade exception to Houston (who could use it for something else). Would hard cap the rockets to receive a S&T player though.

 

[the moops]

Oh yeah, kpj has that funky contract and has a decent salary for next year, but still nowhere near possible to make it work.

Rockets are below the cap so they don’t have to match salaries. They could basically send back a trade exception to Houston (who could use it for something else). Would hard cap the rockets to receive a S&T player though.

Houston only does this if they get some other asset from PHI though

 

[Yo Mama]

Oh yeah, kpj has that funky contract and has a decent salary for next year, but still nowhere near possible to make it work.

Rockets are below the cap so they don’t have to match salaries. They could basically send back a trade exception to Houston (who could use it for something else). Would hard cap the rockets to receive a S&T player though.

Houston only does this if they get some other asset from PHI though

Agreed - Maybe a wink/wink “we won’t report you for tampering” agreement and a couple second rounders

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Oh yeah, kpj has that funky contract and has a decent salary for next year, but still nowhere near possible to make it work.

Rockets are below the cap so they don’t have to match salaries. They could basically send back a trade exception to Houston (who could use it for something else). Would hard cap the rockets to receive a S&T player though.

Fair, but in that situation why would the sixers bother with a sign and trade? I guess any random player is better the nothing, but what is the point for either team? From what I saw, hardens max is not that different if he re-signs or is a free agent signing, but maybe I misread

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

I agree with this and they can have cap space in 24. The one fly in the ointment is how many years can Joel be relied on to be at this level, so can you afford to skip a year?

I guess if harden were willing to take a deal of like 4 years for $150 or less, or even 3 years around the same money, it might be an option

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

 

[thecatch]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

That’s a reasonable take but I’m taking the under on Embiid being elite for 3 years.

 

[the moops]

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

If he walks, they replace him with trash. Not saying they shouldn't let him walk, but it's not a simple answer. Contracts can always be moved down the road, and it may be a smart move for PHI to just stay as a perennial over the cap team

 

[identikit]

We have the varsity network coverage tonight!!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

I agree with this and they can have cap space in 24. The one fly in the ointment is how many years can Joel be relied on to be at this level, so can you afford to skip a year?

I guess if harden were willing to take a deal of like 4 years for $150 or less, or even 3 years around the same money, it might be an option

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

37.5 is currently the number 23 salary, and the Cap is going to rise big time in a couple years. This year they couldn’t do anything with any cap space anyway. He is still probably a top 30 player.

 

[Moe.]

The players seem extra whiney towards the officials tonight. Every foul should be a no call and every no call is a felony.

Tonight? It's every game, all teams this season.

[GoingWithMyBestVanGundy] The NBA needs to address the amount of complaining to the officials. And flopping. Ged rid of this crap. They largely did in FIBA.

I originally read this as FIFA, and was going to ask for some of what you’ve been smoking

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

I agree with this and they can have cap space in 24. The one fly in the ointment is how many years can Joel be relied on to be at this level, so can you afford to skip a year?

I guess if harden were willing to take a deal of like 4 years for $150 or less, or even 3 years around the same money, it might be an option

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

37.5 is currently the number 23 salary, and the Cap is going to rise big time in a couple years. This year they couldn’t do anything with any cap space anyway. He is still probably a top 30 player.

NBA players based on skill and salary I would take over him even at 30 million for the next 3 years.

Giannis, Jrue, Middleton
Tatum, Brown
Embiid, Maxey
Mitchell, Garland, Mobely
Brunson, Barrett
Cam Johnson, Bridges
Trae, Hunter, Murray
Butler, Bam
Siakim, OG, Barnes
Lavine, DeRozan
Haliburton, Mathurin
Banchero, Wagner
Cunningham
Lamelo

Harden isn't even a top 30 player in the East going forward.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Deandre Hunter? Gtfo

 

[msudaisy26]

Deandre Hunter? Gtfo

We disagreed on one out of the East. Hunter is probably going to be the same or get better. Harden is going to get worse. Gtfo.

 

[Moe.]

Edit that post and put Shai in there right now

nvm east only I see

 

[msudaisy26]

Edit that post and put Shai in there right now

nvm east only I see

I think there is more talent in the west. If I include that and rookies, then Harden is lucky if he is a top 75 player going forward.

If someone signs him to a 4 year deal anything north of 20 million per we are going to be making fun of this contract as one of the worst in the sport as early as next year, and for sure in 25.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The recency bias is strong

 

[msudaisy26]

“Why should Klay Thompson take a pay cut? Let’s be honest here, why should Klay take one? He doesn’t have to. There’s teams around the league that would actually give him a bag that he deserves and rightfully so.”

What is things only Kendrick Perkins would say for 1000?

 

[Yo Mama]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

I agree with this and they can have cap space in 24. The one fly in the ointment is how many years can Joel be relied on to be at this level, so can you afford to skip a year?

I guess if harden were willing to take a deal of like 4 years for $150 or less, or even 3 years around the same money, it might be an option

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

37.5 is currently the number 23 salary, and the Cap is going to rise big time in a couple years. This year they couldn’t do anything with any cap space anyway. He is still probably a top 30 player.

NBA players based on skill and salary I would take over him even at 30 million for the next 3 years.

Giannis, Jrue, Middleton
Tatum, Brown
Embiid, Maxey
Mitchell, Garland, Mobely
Brunson, Barrett
Cam Johnson, Bridges
Trae, Hunter, Murray
Butler, Bam
Siakim, OG, Barnes
Lavine, DeRozan
Haliburton, Mathurin
Banchero, Wagner
Cunningham
Lamelo

Harden isn't even a top 30 player in the East going forward.

How many of those guys are available to the Sixers if Harden walks for nothing?

It’s not necessarily the player, it’s the contract. When Durant left GS, the Warriors worked out a S&T so they got Deangelo Russell back. They didn’t care about Russell, but they used the contract to get Wiggins, which they wouldn’t have been able to do if Durant left for nothing as a FA.

 

[Insein]

If Harden's gone, Embiid won't be far behind.

Embiid isn't going anywhere.

 

[Yo Mama]

One of the reasons a lot of Lakers fans were pissed the team cheaped out and didn’t resign Caruso (besides his awesomeness), is because they lost a decent mid-sized contract that they lost for nothing (losing a potential solid trade asset).

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Celtics have now won 4 of 5 quarters and look like they are in complete control
The Heat did stand up to what I thought would be an explosive start of the 1st by Boston
Instead they allow Miami to get up 8 and then they explode and flip the table
4 of 5 quarters, looking to make it 5 of 6 so far.
Incredibly balanced team, those Celtics

 

[Moe.]

Too early for the reverse jinx my friend

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Too early for the reverse jinx my friend

I'm a fan of Mazzula, and he made a big point of it
Did the Heat just tie the game? Looked like Boston was about to flip into 5th

 

[identikit]

I think one of his bosses talked to Coach Joe

 

[identikit]

'Quarter scoring' wins is, again. the lowest form of NBA discourse

 

[Brunell4MVP]

i feel like Duncan Robinson could beat up Jason Tatum. TIA

 

[Mister CIA]

The recency bias is strong

Go Spurs Go!

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Sixers best plan of action is to tough out next year without Harden and reload in 24-25 when hopefully the free agent class is better, the whole roster other than Embiid and Tucker (and presumably Maxey who, if they don't extend him, will have a cap hold of $13m) is off the books, and the cap will be a little up.

Basketball is weird. Teams can't just sign free agents. Only teams under the cap can sign free agents directly. That won't be the Sixers. Teams over the cap can trade for players of similar value, so Philadelphia's best way to bring on someone new is through a sign and trade for Harden. As already mentioned, the Rockets have no incentive to do that with the 76ers. They can sign Harden and leave PHI out of it entirely if they want to. I don't know the Rockets roster or cap situation well enough to know if there is deadwood they might want to part with that they could send back to the Sixers in such a sign and trade scenario. But there really isn't much that HOU would get out of it to make it worth their while.

This offseason they are ****ed if Harden walks, but next offseason they'll have somewhere probably around $75M (minus minimum cap holds and Maxey's $13M cap hold). They have a tremendous amount of flexibility to remake their roster in a year, with a slightly better free agent class. If they were to resign Harden, I think they are punting on the future for next season, otherwise they are punting on next season for the future.

Kind of depends on what kind of window you think Embiid has as an MVP-caliber player.

Honestly, If the Sixers think his window is only the next year or two, they should trade him for the massive haul of players and picks they could potentially get. If they think it is 3-4+ years, I think taking a moderate step back to reload in '24 is the obvious answer, unless they can retain Harden on a jumbo one year extension.

I agree with this and they can have cap space in 24. The one fly in the ointment is how many years can Joel be relied on to be at this level, so can you afford to skip a year?

I guess if harden were willing to take a deal of like 4 years for $150 or less, or even 3 years around the same money, it might be an option

I can't wrap my head around this. 37ish million a year is a top 15 salary in league for a player in severe decline and he isn't even a top 30 player. I can't believe anyone would commit to this for more than a season. It literally ruins your teams cap and any flexibility. Let him walk.

37.5 is currently the number 23 salary, and the Cap is going to rise big time in a couple years. This year they couldn’t do anything with any cap space anyway. He is still probably a top 30 player.

NBA players based on skill and salary I would take over him even at 30 million for the next 3 years.

Giannis, Jrue, Middleton
Tatum, Brown
Embiid, Maxey
Mitchell, Garland, Mobely
Brunson, Barrett
Cam Johnson, Bridges
Trae, Hunter, Murray
Butler, Bam
Siakim, OG, Barnes
Lavine, DeRozan
Haliburton, Mathurin
Banchero, Wagner
Cunningham
Lamelo

Harden isn't even a top 30 player in the East going forward.

How many of those guys are available to the Sixers if Harden walks for nothing?

It’s not necessarily the player, it’s the contract. When Durant left GS, the Warriors worked out a S&T so they got Deangelo Russell back. They didn’t care about Russell, but they used the contract to get Wiggins, which they wouldn’t have been able to do if Durant left for nothing as a FA.

If they could sign and trade Harden that would be awesome, but just because no one else is available or doesn't fit their needs doesn't mean they should over pay for a declining asset.

Kev had the best idea, you punt a year. Maybe try to catch lightening in a bottle like the Heat have this year. Make some smart 1 year signings and maybe find a diamond in the rough.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami has won 2 of 3 Halves

 

[Desert_Power]

We have the varsity network coverage tonight!!

and Inside the NBA is in the building. This is much better than Jeff Van Gundy yelling at clouds.

 

[identikit]

Zombie Heat withstood the big Celt run and has the lead...

 

[Mister CIA]

On a scale of 1 to 19, where would you rank a Miami/Denver finals?

 

[Moe.]

That is some suit there Chuckster

 

[thecatch]

On a scale of 1 to 19, where would you rank a Miami/Denver finals?

987

 

[Ministry of Pain]

That is some suit there Chuckster

His clothes don't fit any more
With the kind of money these guys toss around just playing blackjack in between Halves
Why can't someone have a specialist come in and measure him and return the next day with some threads that fit?
Shaq looks like he's lost weight but his suits fit him.
And Kenny, he's always Mr Smooth
I'm happy that Charles did whatever he needed to do and drop some weight, he looks younger but he needs to get a decent fitting suit in whatever color he wishes
I would try a traditional navy for starters

 

[msudaisy26]

On a scale of 1 to 19, where would you rank a Miami/Denver finals?

Going by the names, and the franchises it would rank way down there. As great as Jokic is he isn't the name LeBron, Curry, Durant and others are. It isn't fair, but it is the way it is.

We would have to see the finals first before ranking it too be fair. They could play a phenomenal 7 game series and then everyone would look past the other stuff.

 

[Desert_Power]

I'm happy that Charles did whatever he needed to do and drop some weight

He really does look great. Likes someone turned his clock back.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Miami is on pace for less than 20 points this 3rd Q, far cry from Game 1

 

[the moops]

Giannis, Jrue, Middleton
Tatum, Brown
Embiid, Maxey
Mitchell, Garland, Mobely
Brunson, Barrett
Cam Johnson, Bridges
Trae, Hunter, Murray
Butler, Bam
Siakim, OG, Barnes
Lavine, DeRozan
Haliburton, Mathurin
Banchero, Wagner
Cunningham
Lamelo

For three years, I would prefer Harden over all these guys you listed - Middleton, Maxey, Barrett, Cam Johnson, Trae, Hunter, Murray, OG, Barnes, Lavine, Mathurin, Banchero, Wagner, Cunningham, LaMelo

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Mazz calls Timeout!
In the 3rd!
Didn't call one in Game 1 when the Heat scored 46

 

[Mister CIA]

On a scale of 1 to 19, where would you rank a Miami/Denver finals?

Going by the names, and the franchises it would rank way down there. As great as Jokic is he isn't the name LeBron, Curry, Durant and others are. It isn't fair, but it is the way it is.

We would have to see the finals first before ranking it too be fair. They could play a phenomenal 7 game series and then everyone would look past the other stuff.

I'm a lapsed NBA fan. Butler vs Jokic is exactly the thing reeling me back in ... and Wemby

 

[Mister CIA]

Y'all help me on my journey back. Is Spo top-5? Top-10?

EDIT: All-Time, not recently.

 

[Moe.]

He is in the highest tier for sure. Not sure how you separate the best of the best from one another.

Edit: thought you meant current, not all-time. No clue there really

 

[msudaisy26]

Giannis, Jrue, Middleton
Tatum, Brown
Embiid, Maxey
Mitchell, Garland, Mobely
Brunson, Barrett
Cam Johnson, Bridges
Trae, Hunter, Murray
Butler, Bam
Siakim, OG, Barnes
Lavine, DeRozan
Haliburton, Mathurin
Banchero, Wagner
Cunningham
Lamelo

For three years, I would prefer Harden over all these guys you listed - Middleton, Maxey, Barrett, Cam Johnson, Trae, Hunter, Murray, OG, Barnes, Lavine, Mathurin, Banchero, Wagner, Cunningham, LaMelo

Let's split the difference that still barely puts him as a top 50 player in the league and aging. You can't pay that kind of player like a top 20 guy and think it will work out.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Y'all help me on my journey back. Is Spo top-5? Top-10?

EDIT: All-Time, not recently.

With Pop and Kerr, the 3 untouchables in the NBA.

 

[identikit]

Zombie Heat can't die

 

[msudaisy26]

This needs to go to overtime

 

[identikit]

J Buckets....

 

[Desert_Power]

Questionable move to try and give Jimmy extra motivation