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2022 Las Vegas Raiders (4 Viewers)

Chaka said:
Special teams needs love too.
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Yup... looks like a ST pick. I am not seeing much in scouting reports that would make sense as a pick really trying to get him on board as a RB. I think he will have a hard time making the roster but if he does, it will be because he shines in ST.

 
26 minutes ago, Chadstroma said:

Whether he should or not is a whole different conversation.  :cool:
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I believe that was the conversation @ZADOwas trying to have ;)  

did this guy get injured last year, or perhaps has off the field issues, or something? Either way, love the OLine and Dline additions (the positions drafted, that is. I have no clue who these guys are). I wish one of the picks would’ve been an LB but UDFA signings should be very active and then June 1st free agency hits. Very exciting off-season!

 
Chadstroma said:
Well... my guess is that no one picked him until we did. 
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Chadstroma said:
I am just saying that is how he fell to the 7th.  :shrug:

Whether he should or not is a whole different conversation.  :cool:
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Chadstroma said:
Well... that wasn't any fun so I answered the way I answered.  :bowtie:

(fun = me having any actual thoughts that were worthwhile on the subject)
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😂😂😂

f’ing Chad. 

😂😂😂

 
massraider said:
Whole draft ruined. Fire everyone. 
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Changing my user name to da donkeys. Can’t take it anymore. 😂😂

I like what they did. I would have liked to have seen a db or a lb mixed in.  but I like the draft. It’s soooooooo nice not to have said, WTF!!!???!!! , once during the draft.  Not once!!!

 
Very happy with this draft.  By all accounts the picks we made were all good values where we got them.  The one thing I would have liked to have seen was Justyn Ross instead of the RB in the 7th.  Can't believe he was undrafted (that neck must be wrecked) but you gotta roll the dice on that kind of physical talent.  I also like Haskell Garrett but that's probably just a homer reaction.

 
Munford's a fun one for me too.  Career overachiever.  He was barely a 4 star recruit and had academic challenges he had to overcome and didn't get the OSU offer until the very end of the cycle.  He was looking studly early on in his career as an LT but volunteered to move to guard in order for them to get Dawand Jones on the field at RT which was their best 5-man package.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/2022/03/03/ohio-state-footballs-thayer-munford-enters-nfl-no-regrets/9356901002/

 
ZADO said:
Kaepernick to practice throws on Tuesday March 3rd with the Las Vegas Raiders

 
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Yuck. He couldn't even keep his job against Blaine freaking Gabbert when he was playing... 5 years of not playing? Give me a break, no chance to actually be worthwhile. 

Mullins isn't the best thing since sliced bread but I am ok with him. He isn't a starting QB but he has proven to be a guy who can come off the bench and keep the team going. Kaep is certainly not an upgrade. 

 
UDFA Signings

Chase Garbers, QB, California

Justin Hall, WR, Ball State

Tre Turner, WR, Virginia Tech

Cole Fotheringham, TE, Utah

Bamidele Olaseni, OL, Utah

Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, DL, Notre Dame

Darien Butler, LB, Arizona State

Zach VanValkenburg, LB, Iowa

Sam Webb, CB, Missouri Western

Qwynnterrio Cole, DB, Louisville

Bryce Cosby, S, Ball State

Isaiah Pola-Mao, S, USC

 
Chadstroma said:
Yuck. He couldn't even keep his job against Blaine freaking Gabbert when he was playing... 5 years of not playing? Give me a break, no chance to actually be worthwhile. 

Mullins isn't the best thing since sliced bread but I am ok with him. He isn't a starting QB but he has proven to be a guy who can come off the bench and keep the team going. Kaep is certainly not an upgrade. 
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After five seasons, probably not but he was always better than Blaine Gabbert. I think people forget that entirely overwhelmed, one-and-done, Chip Kelly was the HC when Kaepernick was blackballed. That team was a disaster across the board. Kaep was the scapegoat.

Kaep has lost more football talent than Mullins ever had. He could absolutely still be an upgrade over any backup on the Raiders roster. Not because Kaep is great but because everyone else is simply incapable of doing more than finishing off a blowout win/loss.

 
Chadstroma said:
Yuck. He couldn't even keep his job against Blaine freaking Gabbert when he was playing... 5 years of not playing? Give me a break, no chance to actually be worthwhile. 

Mullins isn't the best thing since sliced bread but I am ok with him. He isn't a starting QB but he has proven to be a guy who can come off the bench and keep the team going. Kaep is certainly not an upgrade. 
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I read some comments from him that he is ok being a backup at first if someone signs him and he will quickly show he should be the starting QB.

Would be such a dumb move to bring him in.  What team would want that distraction from their backup QB?  If a player is going to bring a circus in with them they have to be really good to be worth the headache that comes with it.  Kaep wasn't good five years ago let alone now.

 
Chiefs signed UDFA WR Justyn Ross.  Low risk high reward signing.  This guy looked like a sure fire high first round pick his freshman year at Clemson.  Teams must have still really been concerned about his neck injury for him to go undrafted.

 
My overall thoughts on the draft based on reading multiple sources and what I came away from that research. 

OL, RB, DT, DT, OL and RB. 

When your first pick is in the 3rd round you aren't going to get anyone that makes up jump up and scream. But as Raider fans... we are not use to that anyways... unless we are jumping up and screaming "WHY?!" 

The picks on the trenches all made perfect sense and seem to be solid, good value picks for where we took them. In doing some research on them there are definite possibilities for these guys to contribute. 

Parham was an investment where I think we all wanted more invested. He will compete for playing time in camp. He may or may not start. We shall see but if we have a gem here and can plug him into LG then that frees Good/Leatherwood combo on the right side. Good can play RT or RG... we just don't know if Leatherwood can play RT or not. If we need to put Leatherwood at RG, I am good with Good at RT. Bars, Simpson and Parker will be in the competition for playing time too. The future of Parham seems to be in the weight room. The big knock on him was being susceptible to bull rushes. If he continues the body transformation that he has already undergone (see the previous post of where I showed his picture coming out of HS and then leaving college) then he can start. Mel Kiper loves him and calls him a future pro bowler.  

White has a ton of pedigree as a highly sought after HS recruit. It seems the injury history and how he projects to be a 2 down back with not so wonderful pass pro. He is kind of the same type of back as Jacobs but in a whole different way... I know, that doesn't make sense... let me explain. He is a power runner like Jacobs but where Jacobs has burst and lacks top speed, it looks like you can flip that around with White. Lacks a lot of burst but once going has more speed than Jacobs. I see how he can fit easily as insurance for Jacobs. Of course, following the NE way, any given game he might get a ton of work and then not be seen or heard from from again for 6 or 7 games. He also had production on ST play so even if he doesn't get a ton snaps, he could contribute right away. Jacobs, Drake, Abdullah have some injury histories behind them, White does too but someone has to be healthy out of the stable. It is curious that Spiller was available and passed on. Spiller seems to have more explosiveness and ability to play all downs. Most scouting reports show him ranked as 2nd to 5th best RB in the class while White's range is about 8-12 in rankings. They are very different running backs but I am very curious as to what the teams saw in White over Spiller. 

Farrell is a big space eater that can chew up blockers and free our boys on the edge to do damage or if you leave him one on one can collapse the pocket with just a bull rush. Beyond that, it doesn't seem like we should expect any pass rush from him but that doesn't seem like what his role would be. Seems like the exact DT player that Graham loves. I saw one scouting report that said he was the best NT in the draft. I am not really finding with any reasons why he was available at 126 for us so my guess is that he seems to be one dimensional and not going to add much in the pass rush.

Butler is a 3 tech guy who brings the ability to rush the passer to the table. He is heralded for his high motor and high energy guy that may not beat his man off the snap but continues to work until either the passer throws or he gets to him. With Crosby and Jones on the outside, having someone able to threaten the passer is crucial to impacting the passing game. I found this good nugget of info "Since 2019, despite playing two different positions in two different systems, Butler has had 51 defensive stops, second among all SEC defensive linemen. Last year, he had eight and a half tackles for a loss, five sacks, a forced fumble and 47 overall tackles, 19 of which were solo. Butler was playing defensive tackle in Tim Banks’ nickel-heavy 4-3 base defense while doing that. However, he has also played defensive end in the same scheme, when Bob Shoop was there in 2017, and he played as the one down lineman at defensive end in Jeremy Pruitt’s 3-4 scheme." So he fits that mantra of versatility, versatility, versatility that we can expect from players that this regime will covet. 

Munford had 1,624 pass blocking snaps in his 5 seasons with Ohio St. and only allowed 6 sacks. Take a wild guess on whether or not he has experience playing multiple positions... yes, of couse. He spent time at LT, LG and RT. 

Brown is a bit of a head scratcher to me as we have a crowded RB room to begin with. There was some glimpses of good things at Duke and UCLA. He will have a hard route to go to make the team. 

Come June 1st, we will have about $20 Million to play with and I believe after the UDFA class 3 roster spots. After the draft, I am still targeting Will Fuller and Akiem Hicks as my two biggest wish list guys (Mathieu is out of the picture signing with the Saints) and then take your pick on another OL guy. I lean toward Bulaga to compete for the RT spot. Alternatively, bringing on one of the ex-NE LB's. That would be enough to sign all three and after roster cuts have plenty of room for in season moves. 

 
Chaka said:
After five seasons, probably not but he was always better than Blaine Gabbert. I think people forget that entirely overwhelmed, one-and-done, Chip Kelly was the HC when Kaepernick was blackballed. That team was a disaster across the board. Kaep was the scapegoat.

Kaep has lost more football talent than Mullins ever had. He could absolutely still be an upgrade over any backup on the Raiders roster. Not because Kaep is great but because everyone else is simply incapable of doing more than finishing off a blowout win/loss.
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I actually wanted us to draft Kaep when he came out of college. Kaep lifetime completion percentage is 59.8% and that is about what he delivers every year. He was not getting better as his career progressed but clearly declining each year. 

He lost his job well before any controversy and lost it to Gabbert. 

He has now been out of football for 5 years. 

He brings drama (debate whether that is fair or not somewhere else the reality is he would bring drama).... why in the hell would anyone want to bring more drama to this team after all the crazy drama they went through last year?! 

The reality is that he isn't all that good. He showed some definite potential early but he didn't get better. I think he liked being a starting NFL QB more than he wanted to be a starting NFL QB. The progression of his career suggests that he didn't work go get better. It is a sensitive subject to talk about but it seems to me that he is more interested in being the victim than actually being a QB. A couple of years back, the NFL went out of it's way to set up a work out for him and then he basically killed it... why? Because being a victim is more lucrative to him than being a QB is. And the push now? Well... the whole kneeling thing is kind of yesterday's news, isn't it? "And when I prove that I’m a starter, I want to be able to step on the field as such." that last part, that just is prepping for drama. 

Mullens is not comparatively nearly as far off as you seemingly want to make it. Career 64% completion percentage. Is he the best backup out there? No. Of course not but he beings 0 drama, has shown he can come in and play off the bench as needed and hopefully is never called on at all. Kaep was not that good when he left the league, has been out of the league for 5 years and guarantees drama and a circus.

Why would any fan that isn't driven by some other agenda that has nothing to do with football want that on their team?!

Point blank... the NFL is about the ability to help teams win. If you have it, you can get away with doing a lot of nasty and horrible things. If you don't have that ability then looking at the coach the wrong way on the wrong day is enough to bounce you from the league forever. Kaep just doesn't have enough of that ability to help teams win to cover up the negatives. It is what it is. And for what it is worth, if Bernie Freaking Soviet Sanders ran a 4.3 and had the ability to run a route or two and catch a ball... I would totally begging for us to sign him. My agenda is that the Raiders win. 

 
Reports that the NYG will cut Bradberry to save $10M in cap.    Doesn't seem like there was a trade market for him after all.  It will be interesting to see if the Raiders and Bradbury can reunite the player and coach again. 

 
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Nice write ups Chad. 
 

I want nothing to do with fuller or kaep. And unless hicks is cheap, I don’t see any more money being thrown at the DL.  LB and OL are the most pressing needs to me. 

 
In (all) years past, 3 days after the draft I would have already stopped talking to a number of friends after growing tired of the need to defend the Raiders picks over and over.   This year, 3 days removed, I'm still talking with all of them.  What a time to be alive!

 
DA RAIDERS said:
Nice write ups Chad. 
 

I want nothing to do with fuller or kaep. And unless hicks is cheap, I don’t see any more money being thrown at the DL.  LB and OL are the most pressing needs to me. 
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I think adding the two DT's in the draft make Hicks unlikely but I am stubborn. I also think an OL is unlikely. 

There seems to be plenty of ILB available but how much would we be running an actual 3-4 alignment? Because if not much then how much sense does it make to go get another one? I don't know the answer to the first question so it is hard to answer the second. 

OLB is a little more thin. Barr maybe? Collins maybe? How much does Collins have left in the tank to be a OLB? I don't know. 

You can say you want X help but if there is no one on the market that makes sense then there is no move there. 

That all being said... if Bradberry comes available... go get him. 

 
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Trayvon Mullen posted a photo and message on his Instagram surgery indicating he was headed for surgery.   No other details seem to be available.  Hopefully it is a minor surgery for him and we can see him ready for camp later in the summer. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Who is that professional level LB? Give examples of current FA you want. 
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No ####### clue. Just making a joke about signing a free agent LB that has played the position in the NFL before. 
 

i don’t take this stuff as seriously as you do, Chad. :)  

 
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joey said:
No ####### clue. Just making a joke about signing a free agent LB that has played the position in the NFL before. 
 

i don’t take this stuff as seriously as you do, Chad. :)  
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This was me last year on the OL.  Other than miller, they had like 8 starts.   There are some decent LB options out there, that at least have played a few seasons at t(e position. 

 
kaso said:
Trayvon Mullen posted a photo and message on his Instagram surgery indicating he was headed for surgery.   No other details seem to be available.  Hopefully it is a minor surgery for him and we can see him ready for camp later in the summer. 
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Treyway Mullen

@MullenIsland1

No worries, successful surgery. Thanks to all, also want to think my negative supporters as well. Back better then ever

7:26 PM · May 3, 2022

 
joey said:
I want us to sign ONE professional level LB from now thru training camp and anything else will be gravy. 
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Teams are going to have to make tough decisions about roster composition over the next few weeks/months. Younger, cheaper players will flash enough potential to convince teams to move on from more expensive talent. There should be some surprise cuts as well as  increased willingness to trade proven players for draft assets.

There may be some nice-ish players currently available but patience should yield a larger and more talented pool.

 
Although Collins, Hightower & Van Noy all make sense at the very least to help installing the new defensive system as quickly and smoothly as possible.

 
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/raiders/raiders-sign-undrafted-free-agent-running-back-2571549/

Another running back. Sincere McCormick of UTSA. Was getting some pre-draft hype. 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sincere-mccormick/32004d43-4359-4638-6f2a-4110341e4bba

Overview

McCormick has proven he can carry a heavy workload with consistent results over the last two years. He's stout and strong running behind his pads through contact, but often needs a clear point of entry to get cranked up. He can be a little indecisive processing block development, which could hurt his timing quickness to get through NFL run lanes quickly. He's a candidate to compete for a roster spot as a three-down backup.

 
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