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keep them professional linebackers coming, please!
Would love to see if the Raiders can now get out of him what he flashed when he was on the Bears.
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Would love to see if the Raiders can now get out of him what he flashed when he was on the Bears.
Chadstroma
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I do believe he is a starting LB in this league in the right defense... this is the right defense. It just makes sense for the team and him.
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Giants cut CB James Bradberry who made Pro Bowl under Raiders DC Patrick Graham
New head coach Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler have been busy this offseason adding familiar faces. It helps when taking a new job to have people with whom you are familiar. A pretty big name familiar face just hit the market.
The Giants have officially cut former Pro Bowl CB James Bradberry, who spent the past two seasons under new Raiders defensive coordinator Patrick Graham in New York.
Bradberry is just 28 years old. He has 15 career interceptions and has had double-digit pass breakups every one of his six NFL seasons, including 18 and 17 the past two seasons with Graham as his DC.
Obviously, this figures to make him a great fit with the Raiders, where he would be an instant starter and upgrade their defense significantly.
Currently, the Raiders’ outside starters figure to be Trayvon Mullen and Rock Ya-Sin. Neither of whom have had careers that make them sure starters. While Bradberry has started nearly every game since he entered the league with the Panthers in 2016.
Whether the Raiders can afford him right now is the question. Right now, they have around $5 million in cap space. They will free up a lot of money in a few weeks with June 1 designations placed on Cory Littleton and Carl Nassib.
Bradberry figures to have many suitors, one of whom was said to be the Chiefs when the Giants were trying to trade him. This means, should the Raiders NOT sign Bradberry, they could then be looking at facing him twice next year.
New head coach Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler have been busy this offseason adding familiar faces. It helps when taking a new job to have people with whom you are familiar. A pretty big name familiar face just hit the market.
The Giants have officially cut former Pro Bowl CB James Bradberry, who spent the past two seasons under new Raiders defensive coordinator Patrick Graham in New York.
Bradberry is just 28 years old. He has 15 career interceptions and has had double-digit pass breakups every one of his six NFL seasons, including 18 and 17 the past two seasons with Graham as his DC.
Obviously, this figures to make him a great fit with the Raiders, where he would be an instant starter and upgrade their defense significantly.
Currently, the Raiders’ outside starters figure to be Trayvon Mullen and Rock Ya-Sin. Neither of whom have had careers that make them sure starters. While Bradberry has started nearly every game since he entered the league with the Panthers in 2016.
Whether the Raiders can afford him right now is the question. Right now, they have around $5 million in cap space. They will free up a lot of money in a few weeks with June 1 designations placed on Cory Littleton and Carl Nassib.
Bradberry figures to have many suitors, one of whom was said to be the Chiefs when the Giants were trying to trade him. This means, should the Raiders NOT sign Bradberry, they could then be looking at facing him twice next year.
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update
Raiders expected to pursue veteran free-agent cornerback
Veteran cornerback James Bradberry hit the open market Monday, and the Raiders have an interest in signing the former Pro Bowl player.
As expected, Bradberry was released by the New York Giants on Monday in a salary-cap move. The Raiders have a need and a connection, so it makes sense they will be among the handful of suitors.
Trayvon Mullen, one of the Raiders’ presumed starting perimeter corners, underwent minor surgery last week, leaving his status in question. Even before Mullen’s surgery, the Raiders were considered prime suitors for Bradberry considering their young cornerback room and Bradberry’s link to Patrick Graham, the Raiders’ new defensive coordinator who served in the same role for the Giants the past two years.
Bradberry’s familiarity with Graham’s system — and his established level of play — make him an attractive target for the Raiders.
Timing could be an issue, though.The Raiders are $5 million under the salary cap, so adding a player of Bradberry’s caliber — and asking price — will be difficult. But the Raiders will create more than $20 million in cap space June 2 when the contracts of Cory Littleton and Carl Nassib come off the books.
Bradberry, 28, had a nonguaranteed $13.5 million salary for this year and represented a $21.9 million cap hit. The Giants needed to create cap space to sign their rookie class, and Bradberry was the obvious cap casualty target.
The move will create $10.1 million in immediate cap savings, though the Giants will assume $11.7 million in dead money. If they designate the move as a post-June 1 transaction, they will save $11.5 million with a $10.4 million dead cap charge this year and a $1.4 million dead cap hit next year.
New York tried to trade Bradberry, but teams decided to wait until he was released and pursue him on the open market. That saved them from giving up anything of significance and assuming his contract.
Bradberry immediately becomes a free agent who can negotiate a deal with any team.
In his two seasons under Graham, Bradberry had seven interceptions in 32 starts and was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2020.
Bradberry played four seasons with the Carolina Panthers before signing as a free agent with the Giants in 2020.
Raiders expected to pursue veteran free-agent cornerback
Veteran cornerback James Bradberry hit the open market Monday, and the Raiders have an interest in signing the former Pro Bowl player.
As expected, Bradberry was released by the New York Giants on Monday in a salary-cap move. The Raiders have a need and a connection, so it makes sense they will be among the handful of suitors.
Trayvon Mullen, one of the Raiders’ presumed starting perimeter corners, underwent minor surgery last week, leaving his status in question. Even before Mullen’s surgery, the Raiders were considered prime suitors for Bradberry considering their young cornerback room and Bradberry’s link to Patrick Graham, the Raiders’ new defensive coordinator who served in the same role for the Giants the past two years.
Bradberry’s familiarity with Graham’s system — and his established level of play — make him an attractive target for the Raiders.
Timing could be an issue, though.The Raiders are $5 million under the salary cap, so adding a player of Bradberry’s caliber — and asking price — will be difficult. But the Raiders will create more than $20 million in cap space June 2 when the contracts of Cory Littleton and Carl Nassib come off the books.
Bradberry, 28, had a nonguaranteed $13.5 million salary for this year and represented a $21.9 million cap hit. The Giants needed to create cap space to sign their rookie class, and Bradberry was the obvious cap casualty target.
The move will create $10.1 million in immediate cap savings, though the Giants will assume $11.7 million in dead money. If they designate the move as a post-June 1 transaction, they will save $11.5 million with a $10.4 million dead cap charge this year and a $1.4 million dead cap hit next year.
New York tried to trade Bradberry, but teams decided to wait until he was released and pursue him on the open market. That saved them from giving up anything of significance and assuming his contract.
Bradberry immediately becomes a free agent who can negotiate a deal with any team.
In his two seasons under Graham, Bradberry had seven interceptions in 32 starts and was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2020.
Bradberry played four seasons with the Carolina Panthers before signing as a free agent with the Giants in 2020.
joey
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#depth?
I'm honestly not sure what Cole brings to the table, or Hollins & Robinson either, but if Davante or Renfrow miss time one of these guys needs to do more than be a warm body.
Edwards appears to be the only real speed element judging by his 17ypc (he didn't run at the combine). Robinson and Hollins are mid 4.5 guys. Cole didn't attend the combine apparently, anyone know if he has legit wheels?
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Raiders trade for Pats backup QB Jarrett Stidham. Flip a 6th for a 7th for a one year rental who will likely sign elsewhere next off-season and could/should bring in some compensatory pick capital as a result.
That is right out of the Pats playbook and some good business right there to help deepen the QB room.
That is right out of the Pats playbook and some good business right there to help deepen the QB room.
ZADO
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How fast is Tyron Johnson?
4.36 40
Which brings us to the fleet-footed Johnson. No other receiver on the Raiders roster comes close to the 4.36 40-yard dash speed the LSU product galloped at his pro day back in 2019.
massraider
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Competition at a lot of spots.
Cole was a bit of a phenom as a rookie, then tailed off
Cole was a bit of a phenom as a rookie, then tailed off
Chaka
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Fair and love the 4.36 speed, 18.8 Y/R & the 20+ yard catches in 2020 for the Chargers.
But he's bounced between the Texans (twice), Buffalo, Carolina, Chargers, Jacksonville & Las Vegas since 2020. Seven stops with six teams in two seasons is kind of a big red flag. Hope he figures out whatever it is that makes teams give up on him so quickly because his height & speed combo is pretty crazy and potentially dangerous.
massraider
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He probably has a Louis Vuitton steamer trunk with a bunch of stickers from all over.Chaka said:
Can't see him making the team
Chadstroma
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The kid is the classic overachiever. I like his mentality and he is all about football. He came out of college basically not recruited and went to Kentucky Wesleyan College (didn't know that school existed) and went undrafted. Made his way to the Jags and got playing time. He has started games and does some production, much more production than you would expect from him.
He has never got any love because he is slow (4.59 40 at college pro day) and slow shuttle though he has a pretty good 3 cone drill. He gets the absolute most out of what he has but I think he is pretty much at his ceiling. That said, I think he is the the dedicated, passionate type of guy that can thrive in an offensive system that seems more complicated and intricate than others with different approaches in game planning week to week. He is the type of kid that will work and work and work more because this is what he wants. I respect that.
As a depth addition, I don't hate it. He will beat out Stoner or Turner for the 53 but I personally still want to add more speed to our WR corps. Johnson is the only speedster we really have.
Right now, I would focus on trying to get a deal done for Bradberry as our #1 priority but after that, I still want Will Fuller to be added for the speed he can bring.
Chaka
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Sounds like he slots in as a Renfrow backup.
I think Edwards brings a speed dimension to the table but I have no idea how defenses view him.
I am down of Fuller but I get it, at this point in the season, why not Fuller?
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I hate to be the lightning rod for this thread and I've mostly kept to myself since I root for Miami(TB also) we have our own issues knee deep in a lawsuit by the former Head Coach wrongfully fired...yet it's hard to see racism in one of the blackest NFL teams(Miami) in terms of front office, management, head coaches both present and past, asst coaches, many of us are on board with the tanking of games and want Ross gone but racism as a driving motivator is hard to get behind.
I've said all that because something is not right in Oak/Las Vegas, they just landed in Vegas so some of this is a carry over and some of the folks obviously are no longer with the Raiders but it seems like there is a lot of smoke that might point to a central fire in the upper parts of the organization, perhaps even ownership.
-There's a lot of molotov cocktails being tossed around thru the media so I am likely to not trust many of those stories and I gave Gruden some benefit of the doubt in terms of being the scapegoat when many others have voluntarily left, some of the FBGs cheered Gruden's departure and I've tried to dial back my dismay in how he was portrayed as a lone wolf of sorts when it felt like there was a lot more going on there.
-I feel bad for the fan base left in the lurch but its hard with a straight face to pretend as though there are not deep issues that appear to start near or at the top and flow down thru the organization. Obviously not everyone seems to approve.
All I would like to know from the fan base is whether they see/feel some of this as well and if it's in any way impeding the enjoyment of the new regime, influx of talent like Adams, this is one FBG that is not writing off the Raiders just because the Division is super competitive. I think Vegas is going to surprise most folks and will finish close or in the Playoffs again.
-Are the stories coming out from former employees disturbing to any of you? Or do you feel it is just sour grapes from former disgruntled folks?
Cheers!
I've said all that because something is not right in Oak/Las Vegas, they just landed in Vegas so some of this is a carry over and some of the folks obviously are no longer with the Raiders but it seems like there is a lot of smoke that might point to a central fire in the upper parts of the organization, perhaps even ownership.
-There's a lot of molotov cocktails being tossed around thru the media so I am likely to not trust many of those stories and I gave Gruden some benefit of the doubt in terms of being the scapegoat when many others have voluntarily left, some of the FBGs cheered Gruden's departure and I've tried to dial back my dismay in how he was portrayed as a lone wolf of sorts when it felt like there was a lot more going on there.
-I feel bad for the fan base left in the lurch but its hard with a straight face to pretend as though there are not deep issues that appear to start near or at the top and flow down thru the organization. Obviously not everyone seems to approve.
All I would like to know from the fan base is whether they see/feel some of this as well and if it's in any way impeding the enjoyment of the new regime, influx of talent like Adams, this is one FBG that is not writing off the Raiders just because the Division is super competitive. I think Vegas is going to surprise most folks and will finish close or in the Playoffs again.
-Are the stories coming out from former employees disturbing to any of you? Or do you feel it is just sour grapes from former disgruntled folks?
Cheers!
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Edwards is a big bodied type of fighter. 4.53 40 which is about average for speed. He is best used, IMO, on one on one's where he can use his body to position the CB out of the play. I think that is why he had most of his success with us when Ruggs was on the field. With Ruggs pulling the safety coverage over the top and Walls getting the attention underneath, then Edwards has the ability to work on a CB on an island and win.
The only knock on Fuller is actually being healthy to play. Granted, that is a huge knock, but the role I see him on this Raider game, he wouldn't have to play a ton of plays so perhaps that would preserve him? As you put it, at this point in the off season, he has to be available for cheap.... so why not?
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There is no doubt that he has elite speed. He has even flashed that speed on the field at times. The question is... why does he keep bouncing from team to team? It is a red flag for me. Granted, it could be bad luck on his part or whatever else but he has been around a bit and hasn't stuck while possessing that speed makes you wonder.
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because you're only getting 8-10 games out of him at 10M make that 2M and maybe you're talking. he has character questions and a broken finger kept him out of the lineup all season.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
First, as Raider fans, we are some what insulated when it comes to things about the NFL and our team. There is no other team more at odds with the league than us and many of us believe with all of our hearts, in our bones and pumping through our blood that runs silver and black that we are targeted by the NFL to get pooped on whenever possible. This extends to the media which consistently shows not only a lack of respect for the team but contempt.
That being said... last year was insane. It started, I believe, with losing a coach to retirement at an odd time of the year. Then we had an exodus of executives. Then we had Gruden gate and then we had Ruggs. Follow that up with other mini issues like our star rookie CB Hobbs getting in trouble twice in mind blowing ways in the wake of what happened with Ruggs. Now this most recent thing.
It is hard to connect them all really. The coach? Apparently he just decided in his best Danny Glover voice "I am too old for this ####"
The executives leaving last year, by all reports, had something to do with a tax screw up (overpaying apparently?)
Gruden stuff was all before he came back to the Raiders.
Ruggs was a horrible thing from bad choices from a young kid.
The new accusation seems separate from everything else but if you want to connect anything to anything it would be the previous executive departures. If there is a connection, then there is info not known to us at this point.
For me personally, there is not enough information available to have a strong opinion either way on what you are insinuating in your post. So, I am in wait and see mode basically.
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hollins and robinson are decent enough backups. i think hollins will surprise people.
and if renfrow or adams go down, they're f'd anyway.
and if renfrow or adams go down, they're f'd anyway.
Chadstroma
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He isn't getting another $10M contract. At this point in FA, he would be on a "show me" contract.
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LawFitz
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I like Hollins (and Robinson) as well.
As for pure speed at WR, given the way this roster has come together, and the way he ran offenses in NE, I think McD is focused more on stretching the field horizontally than vertically - definitely so compared to Gruden.
Chadstroma
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They broker the FA market for the 1st stage of FA. This is the 3rd stage. This is the bargain bin for most players though there are some holdouts that will get a bigger pay day (Like Clowney).
Chaka
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I am not sure about any charges of racial motivation in Miami but tanking is a big, big deal. If it can be substantiated I don't see how the NFL can spin it to keep Ross in ownership.
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hollins and Robinson make 3.2M combined. we'll see what happens with fuller. i don't want him. obviously.
LawFitz
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Quoting myself here to expound... We've all been fretting at various stages this offseason about how much Carr and the offense stalled last year without Ruggs' OTT speed presence. Yet we haven't really considered in that logic the idea that the Gruden offense was built around vertical stretch and the McDaniels offense may not be at all. Or at least A LOT less so.
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the only time i remember the pats going vertical a lot was with moss.
they seem to run an offwnse tailored for carr. high percentage short throws with a lot of misdirection. i doubt they add to the wr group.
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I have been on a Ross Headhunt for years, ask anyone in the Miami thread, they'll tell you I have been preaching for almost a decade that until he is removed Miami stands zero shot at moving ahead and these past 10-15+ years prove it.
-That said, something is very different right now looking into the 2022 season. It's a feeling I haven't felt since about '83-'84 and it's hard to put your finger on it but you can feel something is different this year.
Much more to share in future posts
Chadstroma
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Josh Gordon 4.3 speed.the only time i remember the pats going vertical a lot was with moss.
Phillip Dorsett 4.3 speed.
Brandin Cooks 4.3 speed.
Aaron Dobson 4.3 speed.
Damiere Byrd 4.3 speed.
As a few players on the rosters in the last few years with "4.3 speed".
Chadstroma
Footballguy
New exciting coach, fancy new toy at WR.... yea, we know the feeling.I have been on a Ross Headhunt for years, ask anyone in the Miami thread, they'll tell you I have been preaching for almost a decade that until he is removed Miami stands zero shot at moving ahead and these past 10-15+ years prove it.
-That said, something is very different right now looking into the 2022 season. It's a feeling I haven't felt since about '83-'84 and it's hard to put your finger on it but you can feel something is different this year.
Much more to share in future posts
LawFitz
Footballguy
Josh Gordon ran a 4.5 and was a bum in NE. Rest are also bums except for Cooks, who they chose to trade away.
DA RAIDERS
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what does this have to do with running a vertical offense? and i get that fast guys are an integral part of a vertical offense. what i said was that i didn't remember the pats running a vertical offense, regardless of personnel, except for when they had moss.
we know you want a speedster, AL jr.
Chadstroma
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Since basically Moss, NE has cycled through tons of WR's except their star slot guys. Welker, Edelman and Amendola (in that order). Pretty much all NE WR's had short runs. Deion Branch was also traded in his prime and he was no bum. Guys like Troy Brown, David Givens, and David Patten came, did well, and went. Josh Gordon was 4.52 at Baylor pro day but there is much to show him being clocked at 4.3 speeds and watching him at his best, I tend to think he was more of a 4.3 guy than a 4.5 guy.
LawFitz
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Other than Moss and Cooks, NE has not had a highly-productive speed WR in the Belichick era. Gordon was a beast in Cleveland and probably ran a 4.4 then, but I highly doubt he did in NE - and even if he did, he did not produce.
All of that aside, I am sure McD would love to have and would utilize an effective speed WR. I just don't think he's anywhere near as dependent on one as Gruden was.
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I recall reading an article about how the Pats, Ravens, Rams, Niners like to trade for guys on expiring contracts as one-year rentals, who then end up netting a 3rd-5th rd comp pick when they leave for big bucks the following offseason. It's a nice trick, especially if you give up less than that to get the guy - often it's a late-draft trade down that these teams pull off to get vets like this who their original teams need to unload for whatever reasons (NE just drafted a QB).
And even if he doesn't pull a nice FA deal next year to bring a good comp pick, Stidham is not only super cheap still on his rookie deal, but also super-solid backup QB competition and potentially a game-day resource during this first season for McD/Carr, since he spent the last three years in THIS system.
Brilliant move on paper at least. But watch him not even make the team now that I typed all that.
And even if he doesn't pull a nice FA deal next year to bring a good comp pick, Stidham is not only super cheap still on his rookie deal, but also super-solid backup QB competition and potentially a game-day resource during this first season for McD/Carr, since he spent the last three years in THIS system.
Brilliant move on paper at least. But watch him not even make the team now that I typed all that.
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Sarlakticacid
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Back to back home games to finish, with a 3 game home game stretch, one in LA, in the middle
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