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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (2 Viewers)
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Major
Footballguy
He's finally getting some minutes and starting when FVV is out. Hope Udoka continues to work him in the rotation.
Cam Whitmore has also been giving consistent production with the 15-20 minutes he gets every night. Love seeing the young lad bully veterans out there.
Major
Footballguy
I mean every single NBA player "can be" a passable defender at certain timesThere's a specific reason why I chose the language "can be".Video and Shotcharts | Stats | NBA.com
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Up to 65 with over 10 min left.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Atlanta began to trap and double-team Luka at halfcourt, but to his credit he didn't try to force anything and got the ball to the open man.
Luka had seven assists, and maybe several more "hockey" assists.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Booker had 62 tonight too. They lost.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
We have dudes scoring 60 and 70 points all the time now, but the competition is tougher now than the 90s …..
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Four 70 point games in 1 year (2 seasons)
Capella
Footballguy
Yes this is the deepest the league has ever been, by far. The rules were too tough in the 90s and are too lax now. Gotta find a happy medium.
the moops
Footballguy
It’s not the lax rules it’s just the players are too damn good
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
But nobody is too damn good on D?
Capella
Footballguy
The rules very clearly do not allow much for defenses to do, and refs call a hell ton of fouls. It is what it is.
SWC
Bromigo
we dont need whatever in the hell brand of quote basketball endquote the pistons were before jordan but we could use giving players back the ability to put some contact into a player and guide thier movement so long as it isnt with reaching or overly aggressive right now you cant even bump a cutter without it being called and thats not good basketball the other thing i would so is to make it an immediate penalty when a player starts whining about a call that stuff really ruins the game and sets a terrible example for youth players take that to the bank brohans
the moops
Footballguy
23 free throws attempted per game this season ranks 72nd out of the 78 years of NBA existence
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I was wondering when we would get a refernce to the 80 and 90s being a better era for the NBA.
Who wants to turn the day since clock back to zero?
Who wants to turn the day since clock back to zero?
Kev4029
Footballguy
And the pace is higher than average.
23 free throws attempted per game this season ranks 72nd out of the 78 years of NBA existence
Most of these big games are dominated by jump shooting. It's not like Embiid, Booker, Doncic, or KAT has these huge games because it was a layup line to the hoop.
Capella
Footballguy
For the stars. Embiid and Giannis are getting more free throws per game than anybody else going back to 2007. Shai is getting 9-10 per game. That’s what peak Lebron was getting. You have 4 players averaging over 10 per game. 2007 you had none.
23 free throws attempted per game this season ranks 72nd out of the 78 years of NBA existence
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Snapshot of block.
Capella
Footballguy
Avg points in 2006 was a 192 a game. Now it’s 230. I don’t want to go back to caveman ball from 1994-2009 or whatever but maybe there’s a happy medium in there.And the pace is higher than average.
23 free throws attempted per game this season ranks 72nd out of the 78 years of NBA existence
Most of these big games are dominated by jump shooting. It's not like Embiid, Booker, Doncic, or KAT has these huge games because it was a layup line to the hoop.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Bleacher Report had this to say about Boston yesterday . . .
"When at least two of Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis, Al Horford, Payton Pritchard or Sam Hauser are on the floor, Boston is +10.0 points per 100 possessions."
That's crazy that they've played that well with even just two of those guys on the court together.
"When at least two of Jrue Holiday, Derrick White, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Kristaps Porzingis, Al Horford, Payton Pritchard or Sam Hauser are on the floor, Boston is +10.0 points per 100 possessions."
That's crazy that they've played that well with even just two of those guys on the court together.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yeah I mean there's a difference between FT/game and fouls being called. You're missing the point if that's what you look at.
You should be looking for drives/game and fouls/drive. Then look at fouls outside of ~15 ft too.
And think about things like fouls/2pt shot attempt and fouls/paint attempt and fouls/3pt attempt.
If I had to guess:
1. Fouls/3pt are WAY lower than fouls/2pt and obviously fouls/paint attempt
2. 3 pt/game is WAY higher than it used to be
3. Fouls/2pt and fouls/3pt are both higher rates than they used to be
4. Therefore you're seeing less FT/game but more FT/shot at each shot type - it's a mix effect
I could be wrong. But that's at least a sensible hypothesis.
You should be looking for drives/game and fouls/drive. Then look at fouls outside of ~15 ft too.
And think about things like fouls/2pt shot attempt and fouls/paint attempt and fouls/3pt attempt.
If I had to guess:
1. Fouls/3pt are WAY lower than fouls/2pt and obviously fouls/paint attempt
2. 3 pt/game is WAY higher than it used to be
3. Fouls/2pt and fouls/3pt are both higher rates than they used to be
4. Therefore you're seeing less FT/game but more FT/shot at each shot type - it's a mix effect
I could be wrong. But that's at least a sensible hypothesis.
Major
Footballguy
50 used to be a huge milestone and 60 was godlike. It's crazy that output like that barely moves the needle for me anymore. I wonder how long we have til someone matches Wilt in the three digit department?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Everybody on the sixers is ducking Denver, so get ready for the Furk and Terq show.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
How can you respect an MVP that ducks his hardest challenges on the road. Sad joke at this point. 4 years he has found an excuse not to play. He doesn't deserve MVP. Jokic is twice as valuable to a franchise as Embid.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Embiid definitely hurt his knee the other night. I honestly don’t think that he is ducking, but really weird that he wasn’t in the injury report and then suddenly is out right before the game.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
He has only played 2 games in Denver his whole career. He must not like the high altitude. Just such a bad look for the NBA. I so hope he misses the games necessary not to qualify for the MVP award. At least some of the ESPN announcers called him out.
Kev4029
Footballguy
He ducks way too many good teams on the road for it not to be on purpose.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the sixers catch a huge fine for this. Not a good look for the NBA, the Sixers, or Embiid.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I am aware of the history with Denver and I am aware of the narrative. I would have to see the full list of games he has missed over the last 4 years to feel more strongly about it. He has a lot of injuries just in general, so I still don’t think that it can be concluded that he is ducking, he is perfectly capable of just sulking around the court when better teams are beating him.
Kev4029
Footballguy
You can go look at his game logs on Basketball Reference as easy as I can. Go take a peek. He's not missing a chance to play the Pistons, Spurs, and their ilk on the road.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Watching the Lakers get homer calls on Golden State’s court is fun
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
i’m at the game, not seeing homer calls for either team
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Cool game to be at. Jealous.
Edit to add: I’m about a full quarter behind real-time, so my comment was directed at phantom calls end of 2nd quarter
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mr. furley
Footballguy
you lucky sonofabatch
modogg
Footballguy
I don’t think Embiid was ducking Aaron Gordon ….
modogg
Footballguy
This narrative is so funny. I mean do people really think Embiid is scared to play in some games?and if they do, is there any other player in the NBA scared to play games or this is all just the MVP of the league is the only one scared to play other teams.
Just is funny talk. Embiid gets crapped on for not getting out of 2nd round in playoffs, and at the same time gets crapped on for taking care of his body so he can be healthy for the playoffs
Capella
Footballguy
He 100% ducked that game. It’s embarrassing for the sport. ESPN spent a week hyping that game. Meanwhile two old guys in Lebron and Steph put on the game of the year.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I don't think he's scared, I think some combination of the organization and Embiid personally are curating his schedule to avoid some difficult matchups.
Regarding the Nuggets specifically, yesterday sure felt like he was ducking the Nuggets. He wasn't on the injury report, he warmed up, then didn't come out with the team for pregame - then sat in the locker room until 5:50 left in the game then he comes out to sit on the bench.
Last season he 100%, unequivocally dodged the Nuggets in Denver to avoid a game which could have "lost" him the MVP. He played the 13 games before the Nuggets and the 5 after, but missed the game in Denver.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I have reviewed all of the logs and will be preparing a summary later. Everyone has been warned.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
He was out for warmups and the doctor didn’t like how he was moving with his knee hurt the other day. Denver isn’t a great place to play when hurt with the altitude.
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