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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Finals Rooting Order:
- Garden is swallowed whole
- Mavericks
- Earth blows up (taking me with it)
- Celtics
The Gator
Footballguy
Swap 2 and 4 and sign me up.
trader jake
Footballguy
Also, trade for a center on the Wizards.
same although I’m only about 4.5 annoying Celtics fan posts or a particularly obnoxious Bill Simmons podcast from changing my mind again.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That's fine. If you are cool with floppers, you do you.You are on an island here friendI still find it strange that some are bothered more by Luka's whining (which I have said before, I wish he would tone down) than SGA's flopping, which is incessant. Whining is annoying, for sure, but when flopping is a regular part of your game, I find that to be pretty lame.Beloved by whom? The national media seemingly goes out of their way to not give too much love to the superstars who aren't from America. That's why they are fawning over Ant and SGA now, because they want the new face of the NBA to be a domestic guy.Meh. There is one simple thing that Luka can do to get a million times more goodwill. The guy could be as beloved as Jokic and Giannis but nopeI swear, Luka is the new LeBron. No matter how much great stuff he does, some just love to complain about him. Makes for entertaining chatter in these threads, if nothing else.Of course...wasn't that game in Dallas, not on the road, and it was later revealed by surrounding fans that he was cursing at Doncic the entire half, and around children, including slurs? Or did that only make local news, not national?
Same same though to anyone who defends PhoenixHaters gonna hate. Especially after theyve received a vicious series-ending *** kicking of their own.
Everyone I know who follows basketball pretty much all love Jokic and Giannis and as you mentioned, Ant and SGA. Not seeing the anti-American thing you are. Mostly seeing an anti-whining. Luka has the same issue as Embiid, Booker, Trae, Tatum, etc.
Luka flops a lot too.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Seasons since they made the conference championship series:
Rangers: 0
Mavericks: 0
Stars: 0
Cowboys: 28
Instinctive
Footballguy
Man y'all don't like basketball that much, do you? Weird takes in the NBA thread getting ready for the finals. Like going over to the shark pool and complaining that football isn't just abut the stats.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
In the last two years the wizards have let go of Porzingis, Gafford, and KCP. Two of those will have won championships by the end of this series. Beal brought those teams down more than the national audience realized (and more than owner Leonsis was capable of comprehending). Ball hogs that can't shoot and get injured 50% of the season are not ideal.
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identikit
Footballguy
Well, you're not rooting for one team
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Haha, yep, I have seen the tweets about how confused Boston fans are gonna be by having to root against the white guy, That made me LOL.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
It's more odd to me that the NHL as a winter sport will finish in about October
this.
I'm confused. NHL finishes in october?
Capella
Footballguy
I thought the Mavs would be +150 so +175 isn’t that far off. Betting that and Mavs in 6. Boston is probably better but the Mavs have been very good to me all playoffs.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I don't think you got his joke, or mine.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not surprisingly, the initial wave of picks that I have seen so far has a huge majority of people picking Dallas. No picks or opinions will have an impact on who will win the series, but it's fun to see how people see things shaping up.
Boston not being able to stop Luka is a 100% true statement. But in recent history it hasn't mattered. Over the past two seasons, Luka has averaged 34/12/9 against Boston . . . and the Mavs are 0-4 and lost by an average of 20 ppg. The current configuration of the Mavs played the C's in March . . . and lost by 28. Not hating on Dallas, but IMO the Celtics are not a good match up for them. BOS averaged 17+ 3P in those games (making at least 15 in all of them . . . and I've pointed out how much that has helped the Celtics when they do that).
CLEARLY the Mavs have faced a lot stronger competition in the playoffs, Luka and Ky are averaging the same combined ppg in the post season as JT and JB. I think that will hold true in the Finals, but IMO the remainder of the BOS starters / Top 7-8 guys are stronger than the rest of the Mavs starters / Top 7 or 8 guys.
I'd also agree that in a close game in crunch time, the Luka / Kyrie duo is more likely to pull out a close game than the JT / JB pairing . . . but the game would have to get that far and still be close for that to come into play. I will pick Boston in 6 (but think they could potentially win in 5). I'll give DAL a close game that they pull out that BOS gags away and another one where they shoot well and BOS doesn't. I'd say the C's win one in a blow out (20 points), two others by 10-12 points, and one by like 7 or 8.
Boston not being able to stop Luka is a 100% true statement. But in recent history it hasn't mattered. Over the past two seasons, Luka has averaged 34/12/9 against Boston . . . and the Mavs are 0-4 and lost by an average of 20 ppg. The current configuration of the Mavs played the C's in March . . . and lost by 28. Not hating on Dallas, but IMO the Celtics are not a good match up for them. BOS averaged 17+ 3P in those games (making at least 15 in all of them . . . and I've pointed out how much that has helped the Celtics when they do that).
CLEARLY the Mavs have faced a lot stronger competition in the playoffs, Luka and Ky are averaging the same combined ppg in the post season as JT and JB. I think that will hold true in the Finals, but IMO the remainder of the BOS starters / Top 7-8 guys are stronger than the rest of the Mavs starters / Top 7 or 8 guys.
I'd also agree that in a close game in crunch time, the Luka / Kyrie duo is more likely to pull out a close game than the JT / JB pairing . . . but the game would have to get that far and still be close for that to come into play. I will pick Boston in 6 (but think they could potentially win in 5). I'll give DAL a close game that they pull out that BOS gags away and another one where they shoot well and BOS doesn't. I'd say the C's win one in a blow out (20 points), two others by 10-12 points, and one by like 7 or 8.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
White guy, that cries just as much as Tatum.
the moops
Footballguy
I think Luka is the clear favorite in this battle
gruecd
Footballguy
Even money, IMO
I didn't but I want to know!I don't think you got his joke, or mine.
mr. furley
Footballguy
Dallas in 6
Kanil
Footballguy
If Tim Connelly stays there, you guys are good for a while. That guy can build teams.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Like the Super Bowl, the Finals dates are set in stone at the start of the season. They have to allow time for each series to run longer . . . both conference finals went short, so we get a big break.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Does it also have to do with Dallas needing the arena for 2 teams and already scheduled concerts? Meagan Thee Stallion and Adventura have concerts there. Whoever the hell they are. I mean WTF is Megan Thee Stallion 
ETA ... I did a youtube search on her videos. Hard pass. Rap has gone downhill since the days of Ice Cube.
ETA ... I did a youtube search on her videos. Hard pass. Rap has gone downhill since the days of Ice Cube.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Finals dates were announced when they announced the schedule for the entire season last summer. They are fixed dates. It has nothing to do with how long each series lasts, if they have concerts or events, etc. IIRC, the only way there would be a conflict would be if the building also had a second team advance to the Finals in another sport in the same building. However, if people compared the NHL Finals schedule to the NBA Finals schedule, they alternate dates. IIRC, if there is a concert to deal with, they would move the date of the concert (likely be a day or two) to accommodate the Finals game.Does it also have to do with Dallas needing the arena for 2 teams and already scheduled concerts? Meagan Thee Stallion and Adventura have concerts there. Whoever the hell they are. I mean WTF is Megan Thee Stallion
Capella
Footballguy
The nfl literally takes 2 weeks off.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The Gobert hate is weird and I definitely think less of the players or "analysts" with these takes.
gruecd
Footballguy
I mean WTF is Megan Thee Stallion
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Is this a typo because I am seeing the exact opposite
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Capella
Footballguy
Next month is tomorrow.
I don’t get the big deal with a week off. Do people do this for the nfl too? If anything it should help both teams be 100%.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Depends on where you look, I suppose. Most of the ESPN / Fox / talk show guys are taking the Mavs. I haven't really done a deep dive on who is picking whom.
Is this a typo because I am seeing the exact opposite
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Boston is -220. I wouldn't be surprised at all if most of the dopes at ESPN are taking the Mavs, but they have two serious analysts in Lowe and Redick and a bunch of morons. Not to say that picking the Mavs is necessarily dumb, but to have a large consensus of Dallas is kind of dumb.Depends on where you look, I suppose. Most of the ESPN / Fox / talk show guys are taking the Mavs. I haven't really done a deep dive on who is picking whom.
Is this a typo because I am seeing the exact opposite
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I'll be rooting for the Mavs but I think people are way underestimating Boston, especially if Porzingis comes back, and I would have them as way bigger favorites than -220.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I mean Boston is definitely favored.Depends on where you look, I suppose. Most of the ESPN / Fox / talk show guys are taking the Mavs. I haven't really done a deep dive on who is picking whom.
Is this a typo because I am seeing the exact opposite
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And from an analyst picks perspective - nobody will remember you picked Dallas and were wrong. You can point to picking Dallas and being right forever.
identikit
Footballguy
Lowe is leaning Celts per his podcastBoston is -220. I wouldn't be surprised at all if most of the dopes at ESPN are taking the Mavs, but they have two serious analysts in Lowe and Redick and a bunch of morons. Not to say that picking the Mavs is necessarily dumb, but to have a large consensus of Dallas is kind of dumb.Depends on where you look, I suppose. Most of the ESPN / Fox / talk show guys are taking the Mavs. I haven't really done a deep dive on who is picking whom.
Is this a typo because I am seeing the exact opposite
NBA Finals: Experts predict winner of Celtics vs. Mavericks series
See the picks of our TNT Sports experts ahead of the 2024 NBA Finals.Dallas Mavericks vs Boston Celtics picks, predictions, odds: Who wins 2024 NBA Finals?
2024 NBA Finals picks, predictions, odds for Dallas Mavericks vs Boston Celtics NBA Playoffs series. Who will win the NBA championship?www.azcentral.com
I'll be rooting for the Mavs but I think people are way underestimating Boston, especially if Porzingis comes back, and I would have them as way bigger favorites than -220.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I will post statistical nuggets when I uncover them.
Mavericks this season (including playoffs):
When allowing 15 or more three pointers: 15-14
When allowing 11 or more three pointers: 40-34
When allowing 10 or fewer three pointers: 22-3
Boston this season (including playoffs):
When making 15 or more three pointers: 61-9
When making 11 or more three pointers: 75-16
When making 10 or fewer three pointers: 1-4
I know no one wants this to turn into a series based on math, probability, and statistics. However, the Mavs like to play two bigs in the paint and have two guards that are defensive liabilities. Boston has five 3P shooters on the floor 90% of the time.
Sure, Doncic and Irving are great, but how much better will they be scoring wise vs. Tatum and Brown? The Dallas duo has averaged 51.6 combined in the playoffs (against stronger competition) vs. 51.0 for the Boston pairing. Over the past two seasons, Tatum has averaged 34/12/6 with Brown averaging 24/6/2 against the Mavs . . . so 58 ppg combined vs. Dallas.
White / Porzingas / Holiday have averaged 48 ppg between them this year (including playoff games). That's a combined 106 points (including JT and JB average totals against DAL). Dallas has averaged 107.9 ppg in the playoffs so far. Not knocking the Mavs here and not saying they can't win, just trying to figure out the math that works for Dallas.
Mavericks this season (including playoffs):
When allowing 15 or more three pointers: 15-14
When allowing 11 or more three pointers: 40-34
When allowing 10 or fewer three pointers: 22-3
Boston this season (including playoffs):
When making 15 or more three pointers: 61-9
When making 11 or more three pointers: 75-16
When making 10 or fewer three pointers: 1-4
I know no one wants this to turn into a series based on math, probability, and statistics. However, the Mavs like to play two bigs in the paint and have two guards that are defensive liabilities. Boston has five 3P shooters on the floor 90% of the time.
Sure, Doncic and Irving are great, but how much better will they be scoring wise vs. Tatum and Brown? The Dallas duo has averaged 51.6 combined in the playoffs (against stronger competition) vs. 51.0 for the Boston pairing. Over the past two seasons, Tatum has averaged 34/12/6 with Brown averaging 24/6/2 against the Mavs . . . so 58 ppg combined vs. Dallas.
White / Porzingas / Holiday have averaged 48 ppg between them this year (including playoff games). That's a combined 106 points (including JT and JB average totals against DAL). Dallas has averaged 107.9 ppg in the playoffs so far. Not knocking the Mavs here and not saying they can't win, just trying to figure out the math that works for Dallas.
Instinctive
Footballguy
The Ringer's Zach Kram has Boston as an 87% favorite for the series.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think earth blowing up should be 2nd and the Celtics 3rd.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Geeky analytics sites . . .
Basketball Reference - Boston 90.9%
Playoff Status - Boston 79%
ESPN BPI - Boston 65.3%
But we've seen these be epically wrong in prior seasons.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Were they wrong or did the unlikely thing happen? People struggle with probability. 90% means that 1/10 times the thing we aren't expecting is gonna happen. See, e.g., 2016 U.S. Presidential election.
Zow
Footballguy
Oh thank you. I spent the last couple of minutes internally debating whether to make the same point (with the fear being I’d sound like a know-it-all).
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