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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (2 Viewers)

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ZADO said:
Instinctive said:
General Malaise said:
Ah, so the difference in the game has been 3 point shooting. That's not sustainable. Dallas will get back into this one.
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I know you're joking a bit because you bet. But that was somewhere between 30-50% of the massive gap. So yeah, shooting luck played a role, and that'll balance out. But it was still like a 15+ point ***-kicking with normal shooting expectations.
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Mavericks this season (including playoffs):
When allowing 15 or more three pointers: 15-14
When allowing 11 or more three pointers: 40-34
When allowing 10 or fewer three pointers: 22-3

Boston this season (including playoffs):
When making 15 or more three pointers: 61-9
When making 11 or more three pointers: 75-16
When making 10 or fewer three pointers: 1-4
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Second or third time I've seen this stat posted in the thread. Let it go before.

This is a dumb stat. Like, no ****.

When you allow the opponent to score a ton of points, you're more likely to lose. When you score a ton of points, you're more likely to win.

Duh. Not some magical ball worth reposting repeatedly...
 
msudaisy26 said:
If I am Boston I am attacking Luka as much as possible. He isn't a great defender, he isn't 100 percent and I want to wear him out on defense so he doesn't wear the Celtics out in the 4th quarter.
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Some of Luka's issues on defense from game 1:

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Gotta give Mazzula and his coaching staff a lot of credit for the initial series game plan. Taking away the lobs to the bigs and corner 3's? That's one tough job, but you could see the lack of ball movement overall from the Mavs last night.

Ghost Rider said:
The Mavs might have a chance if Irving pulls his head out of his backside.
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He was no bueno in game 1. As we're seeing more and more, the NBA playoffs are so matchup dependent. Kyrie against Jrue Holiday & Derrick White (with mobile bigs) is much different than what most teams can throw at him.

Kyrie's also lost 11 consecutive games against the Celtics since stepping on Lucky the Leprechaun. 👀
 
trader jake said:
msudaisy26 said:
If I am Boston I am attacking Luka as much as possible. He isn't a great defender, he isn't 100 percent and I want to wear him out on defense so he doesn't wear the Celtics out in the 4th quarter.
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Some of Luka's issues on defense from game 1:

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x.com x.com

Gotta give Mazzula and his coaching staff a lot of credit for the initial series game plan. Taking away the lobs to the bigs and corner 3's? That's one tough job, but you could see the lack of ball movement overall from the Mavs last night.

Ghost Rider said:
The Mavs might have a chance if Irving pulls his head out of his backside.
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He was no bueno in game 1. As we're seeing more and more, the NBA playoffs are so matchup dependent. Kyrie against Jrue Holiday & Derrick White (with mobile bigs) is much different than what most teams can throw at him.

Kyrie's also lost 11 consecutive games against the Celtics since stepping on Lucky the Leprechaun. 👀
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His defense was so bad. Numerous times he would like randomly double, or he was a step behind on rotating or coming up to level of screen. When he was just 1:1 with someone he was actually decent, although i think Brown crossed him up badly once.

But it was so much decisionmaking - he was out of position a ton.
 
As good as Luka is, he's got a -43 plus/minus this season in 3 games against Boston (averaging 38 minutes a game). When he's been off the court, they are -4 (in 10 minutes a game). Including the 2 games from last year, in 5 total games, the Mavs are -66 with Doncic on the court (37 minutes per game) and -13 with him sitting (11 minutes per game). What can the Mavs do differently, as they need to completely flip that script and they need to figure it out quickly.
 
Jayrod said:
2 things I think are being under-rated a bit in the various analysis I've seen:

1. How does Dallas guard Boston's offense? A lot of analysis of who guard's Luka, but just as compelling is who does he and Kyrie guard? Both will be a liability 1 on 1 on nearly every possession and if Boston moves the ball well, they will get a lot of open looks and straight line drives. If they move it quick enough, even the Gafford/Lively tandem will be ineffective and get exploited on late closeouts.

2. Rebounding is going to be huge. Porzingis is actually a poor rebounder for his size, and this is where Tatum has to play like a man and White/Holiday/Brown will all have to contribute. Horford will do his work off the bench, but they have to rebound and defend as a team or Dallas can win a game or two almost solely with 2nd chance opportunities and Boston has lapses on the glass a times similar to their occasional defensive malaise. If they go a couple of possessions giving up 2nd and 3rd shots, you will hear me screaming at them from Missouri.
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#1 showed up and is a real problem for Dallas
#2 the Celtics won the battle 47-43. Figure just breaking even is enough. I was actually surprised at how little Gafford/Lively did and that Kleber got some much time at the 5. He played more minutes than either of the other two.
 
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Instinctive said:
ZADO said:
Instinctive said:
General Malaise said:
Ah, so the difference in the game has been 3 point shooting. That's not sustainable. Dallas will get back into this one.
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I know you're joking a bit because you bet. But that was somewhere between 30-50% of the massive gap. So yeah, shooting luck played a role, and that'll balance out. But it was still like a 15+ point ***-kicking with normal shooting expectations.
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Mavericks this season (including playoffs):
When allowing 15 or more three pointers: 15-14
When allowing 11 or more three pointers: 40-34
When allowing 10 or fewer three pointers: 22-3

Boston this season (including playoffs):
When making 15 or more three pointers: 61-9
When making 11 or more three pointers: 75-16
When making 10 or fewer three pointers: 1-4
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Second or third time I've seen this stat posted in the thread. Let it go before.

This is a dumb stat. Like, no ****.

When you allow the opponent to score a ton of points, you're more likely to lose. When you score a ton of points, you're more likely to win.

Duh. Not some magical ball worth reposting repeatedly...
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sorry you feel that way
 
Posting this solely as an interesting tidbit, game 1 had the lowest tv ratings of a non-covid game 1 since 2007 (spurs-Cavs)

I have to listen to the Derek Thompson podcast from last week trying to break down how the nba gets so much money in tv contracts despite ratings going down.

Also, Luka seemed a lot more hobbled last night than I expected with 10
Days off. That could really make for a short series. If Luka can be at his best, I still think this is close to even, but not sure if that will happen.

Part of me hates the idea that the Celtics would win a title while the Sixers languish in the mire and muck, though the rights to Ricky Sanchez podcast did bring up the point that the Celtics winning could really rub the Sixers management’s nose in it and maybe somehow bother or motivate the Sixers to do more. Probably not but a nice thought.

Also really amazing when you think about the Celtics starting 5 which has 2 of the better (best?) defensive guards in the game who can also shoot and can’t be left alone on offense, a center who can protect the rim and shoot 3s, and 2 all-nba level wings. Just a perfect group for the nba today and most teams would be happy to have just a few of those things.
 
Long Ball Larry said:
Posting this solely as an interesting tidbit, game 1 had the lowest tv ratings of a non-covid game 1 since 2007 (spurs-Cavs)

I have to listen to the Derek Thompson podcast from last week trying to break down how the nba gets so much money in tv contracts despite ratings going down.

Also, Luka seemed a lot more hobbled last night than I expected with 10
Days off. That could really make for a short series. If Luka can be at his best, I still think this is close to even, but not sure if that will happen.

Part of me hates the idea that the Celtics would win a title while the Sixers languish in the mire and muck, though the rights to Ricky Sanchez podcast did bring up the point that the Celtics winning could really rub the Sixers management’s nose in it and maybe somehow bother or motivate the Sixers to do more. Probably not but a nice thought.

Also really amazing when you think about the Celtics starting 5 which has 2 of the better (best?) defensive guards in the game who can also shoot and can’t be left alone on offense, a center who can protect the rim and shoot 3s, and 2 all-nba level wings. Just a perfect group for the nba today and most teams would be happy to have just a few of those things.
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I've mentioned it several times, but I'm a Celtics fan because of Brad Stevens. I didn't follow them until he became their coach.

I think he is a basketball mind along the lines of Riley and Popovich. He's been successful at every step.
 
Moe. said:
I think Luka leans into the hobbled look when the game isn’t going well, but then he’s fine when the shots are falling and they are winning.
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He does seem to lumber back up the court with more agony on his face after a turnover or missed shot
 
I watched a bunch of clips and breakdowns of Game 1, and it was clear that the Mavs plan was to prevent Tatum from beating them. He was getting blitzed and double teamed most of the game, and any time he got into the paint he was getting triple teamed. He would kick the ball out for an open three or a hockey assist. The Dallas defensive scheme and rotation was not very good. That left a lot of other guys open for uncontested shots or on mismatches. That made JT's stat line look putrid.

I watched several Mavs podcasts, and the narrative there was a total lack of concern. True, it's only one game, but their collective opinion was the Mavs didn't play well, Boston didn't do anything to stop them, and the Celtics got lucky. They actually praised the Dallas defense for holding the Celtics to 107 points, they held the Jay's to well below their usually scoring totals, and the same effort would get them a string of wins the rest of the way. No way would the Mavs should that poorly again, the Celtics role players could never play that well again, and no way could Boston make that many three pointers again. Not a care in the world. They don't really even need to make that many adjustments. Interesting strategy, Cotton, let's see how it plays out.
 
Alot was made abouyt Luka only having one assits, rightfully so. Saw this stat.

Luka had 1 assist to 7 potentials. Tatum had 5 assists to 14 potentials.
 
Anarchy99 said:
I watched a bunch of clips and breakdowns of Game 1, and it was clear that the Mavs plan was to prevent Tatum from beating them. He was getting blitzed and double teamed most of the game, and any time he got into the paint he was getting triple teamed. He would kick the ball out for an open three or a hockey assist. The Dallas defensive scheme and rotation was not very good. That left a lot of other guys open for uncontested shots or on mismatches. That made JT's stat line look putrid.

I watched several Mavs podcasts, and the narrative there was a total lack of concern. True, it's only one game, but their collective opinion was the Mavs didn't play well, Boston didn't do anything to stop them, and the Celtics got lucky. They actually praised the Dallas defense for holding the Celtics to 107 points, they held the Jay's to well below their usually scoring totals, and the same effort would get them a string of wins the rest of the way. No way would the Mavs should that poorly again, the Celtics role players could never play that well again, and no way could Boston make that many three pointers again. Not a care in the world. They don't really even need to make that many adjustments. Interesting strategy, Cotton, let's see how it plays out.
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Your interest in homer podcasts is interesting

I mean, what did you expect?
 
identikit said:
I mean, what did you expect?
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Some analysis as to why they got manhandled and what they could do differently? I listen to a broad swath of podcasts both nationally and locally for both markets. In general, the ones I pay a lot more attention to are the ones by former players. Football players talking about basketball may me chuckle most of the time.

Oddly enough, the Celtics shows were way more concerned about how the Mavericks could make adjustments than the Dallas shows were. They discussed what Boston needs to worry about, what adjustments the C's can make, and how Boston could improve their play. The message on the Dallas podcasts was: we were the best team since the trade deadline, the best defense since the deadline, beat a murderer's row in the playoffs, Boston didn't play anyone in the playoffs, we lose Game 1 all the time, so Dallas in 5 or 6. No talk about what the Celtics did, only talk about the Mavs playing poorly and Dallas controlling the series by playing like they did the last 3 months. They expect that version of Dallas to return with a double digit win in Game 2 without changing a thing. Then they win two in Dallas, and it's whether they can close things out in Boston or Dallas. Maybe that happens, but the participants literally showed no concern at all.
 
Anarchy99 said:
identikit said:
I mean, what did you expect?
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Some analysis as to why they got manhandled and what they could do differently? I listen to a broad swath of podcasts both nationally and locally for both markets. In general, the ones I pay a lot more attention to are the ones by former players. Football players talking about basketball may me chuckle most of the time.

Oddly enough, the Celtics shows were way more concerned about how the Mavericks could make adjustments than the Dallas shows were. They discussed what Boston needs to worry about, what adjustments the C's can make, and how Boston could improve their play. The message on the Dallas podcasts was: we were the best team since the trade deadline, the best defense since the deadline, beat a murderer's row in the playoffs, Boston didn't play anyone in the playoffs, we lose Game 1 all the time, so Dallas in 5 or 6. No talk about what the Celtics did, only talk about the Mavs playing poorly and Dallas controlling the series by playing like they did the last 3 months. They expect that version of Dallas to return with a double digit win in Game 2 without changing a thing. Then they win two in Dallas, and it's whether they can close things out in Boston or Dallas. Maybe that happens, but the participants literally showed no concern at all.
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Do you think there aren't Celtic-centric podcasts that do the same sort of things?
 
identikit said:
Do you think there aren't Celtic-centric podcasts that do the same sort of things?
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There may be, but I haven't watched any like that so far. Boston media is actually the opposite of most cities. They will crucify and excoriate home teams and beat them up rather than give them flowers. I have never seen more negatively in sports coverage than in Boston. For example, they were ruthless and relentless over the Patriots for years and how badly they were run, how many terrible decisions they made, and that they should have won 10+ titles.

I prefer shows with more breakdowns and analysis of both teams (even it's skewed on one side) over shows that are just a bunch of homers just blindly saying their team is awesome and can do no wrong. I get it, these shows exist to get clicks, views, subscribers, and sponsorship dollars. There are not many people like me interested in seeing how a play breaks down when the ball is reversed and what defenders do on the weak side to read and react (and what counter moves the offense has). Folks are in it for the hot takes that "there team" or "there guy" will go nuclear for 60 a game and sweep.

Here's one thing I heard that might shock people. Of all the players in the Finals, the one that made the most clutch baskets with under a minute to go over his career in the playoffs was . . . Jayson Tatum (and by a fair amount). The narrative, of course, is that Tatum will choke away games and the last think Boston wants is Tatum shooting in a close game at the end.

As I've mentioned many times, none of this review and analysis really means anything, as it won't impact what happens in real time in actual games on the floor. But it's fun to review none the less.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Oddly enough, the Celtics shows were way more concerned
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That's also a result of the Celtics expectations. If they win it, people will basically say, well yeah, about time.

And the default sports approach in Boston is negative. How many, "What if the Celtics don't win a title this year?" hot takes can a person choke down in one season?

I feel very lucky that I'm a casual fan, because I have been able to enjoy every second of watching a really watchable team, and not spent one second imagining shakeups in a year. It just sounds like such a not fun thing to do when this really fun thing is going on.
 
massraider said:
Anarchy99 said:
Oddly enough, the Celtics shows were way more concerned
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That's also a result of the Celtics expectations. If they win it, people will basically say, well yeah, about time.

And the default sports approach in Boston is negative. How many, "What if the Celtics don't win a title this year?" hot takes can a person choke down in one season?

I feel very lucky that I'm a casual fan, because I have been able to enjoy every second of watching a really watchable team, and not spent one second imagining shakeups in a year. It just sounds like such a not fun thing to do when this really fun thing is going on.
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It is funny because it is the exact opposite for Detroit sports. There has been a lot of talk of trading Cade and starting over. Everyone loses their minds, we can't trade Cade he the cornerstone of our rebuild.

As if it is going to be so difficult to find someone else to lead thr Pistons to less than 20 wins a year.
 
Capella said:
Bill Simmons almost had a mental breakdown while posing this question on his pod the other day. Cousin Sal asked if he was 7 years old lol.
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You know what these guys will do? Not just Simmons.

They whine and complain their way through multiple years of excellent but not championship Celtics teams, and in five years will write poetry about watching the young Celtics mature.

Just the worst kind of fan.
 
the moops said:
Bill Simmons is a tool. Can’t believe he has convinced people that he knows what he is talking about.
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As a real analysist or prognosticator, he has no idea what he is talking about. But, he is quite connected and talks to a lot of people, so he drops a little bit of inside information from time to time. Like NBC getting the NBA rights over TNT almost a week before it was announced.
 
Capella said:
identikit said:
Capella said:
the moops said:
Bill Simmons is a tool. Can’t believe he has convinced people that he knows what he is talking about.
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Lmao who thinks he knows what he is talking about? The only reason we listen is because of how stupid he is.
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He's no worse than the ilk in here, chief

:loco:
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Yea no kidding lol why do you think we are here too?
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Because we don't make millions with the hot takes in here...

Or any amount, really
 
In the postseason . . .

JT
Combined game scores: 300.1
Total +/-: +160
VORP: 0.8
WS/48: .182
PER: 20.6

JB
Combined game scores:264.3
Total +/-: +86
VORP: 0.6
WS/48: .158
PER: 20.7
 
identikit said:
Capella said:
the moops said:
Bill Simmons is a tool. Can’t believe he has convinced people that he knows what he is talking about.
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Lmao who thinks he knows what he is talking about? The only reason we listen is because of how stupid he is.
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He's no worse than the ilk in here, chief

:loco:
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Ferris used to swear that Simmons posted or at least lurked here in the early-mid 2000s. He had circumstantial evidence for that position though I can’t recall exactly what it was.
 
Anarchy99 said:
In the postseason . . .

JT
Combined game scores: 300.1
Total +/-: +160
VORP: 0.8
WS/48: .182
PER: 20.6

JB
Combined game scores:264.3
Total +/-: +86
VORP: 0.6
WS/48: .158
PER: 20.7
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Tatum does more to effect winning consistently than Brown.

JB is great, but Tatum just does more. JT leads the team in rebounding and is 2x the passer Brown is.
 
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