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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (1 Viewer)
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I wanted to make a Giddey joke but instead ended up laughing at what #14 did. Probably not the best for such a talent to be playing with that dipshit.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Blake Wesley (1.25 rookie last year, I think), is still a project. Super fast running the floor and a major pest on man defense; body control needs work. Got thrust into role tonight because of an injury.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Appreciate the context
Giddey tends to get rejected by those who are older than 18
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am really starting to dislike Luka even as great as he is.
SWC
Bromigo
i sort of feel like ministrone doing his thing buried the lede that tobias funk is back bromigos i feel like we should be bringing out our finest robes giving out sandals and rings and killing the fatted calf look its a big deal and instead we got hipple heattalk now if we can get good posting judge back this place will be like the olden days take that to the bank brohans
the moops
Footballguy
Meh - If I was at the game I would want idiots like that dude kicked out too. A few good natured heckles are fine. When it becomes over the top and consistent, get the hell out. I don't wanna hear that all game either
Instinctive
Footballguy
It's also different home vs away. I gotta say one obnoxious drunk visiting fan who won't shut up is a real damper on enjoyment of the game, regardless of outcome.
C'mon. If security came and got him because fans were complaining, that's one thing. Guys like Luka and Westbrook getting fans kicked out for innocuous heckling because they're having a bad game and their feelings are hurt is absurd.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Terry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Terry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
Reminds me of Greg Monroe in game 7 of PHI/TOR series a few years ago. -9 in 1 minute and 41 seconds.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Terry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
Probably should see if you can petition the league to get the trade reserved. Especially since he played 29 minutes and was minus 13. Rozier was supposed to come in as a savior and he is already lying to the fans.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Exactly this. I have no issues if a fan goes and tells on another fan for ruining their experience at the game. Unless some magic words were said players should stay out of it.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
27% from the field, 9 ptsTerry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
Probably should see if you can petition the league to get the trade reserved. Especially since he played 29 minutes and was minus 13. Rozier was supposed to come in as a savior and he is already lying to the fans.
He was avg 23 coming into last night's game
Maybe he was just having an off night
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He was -38 against PHI in 19 and a half minutes with 6 points and a -0.2 game score back in December. So last night was actually a marked improvement from that.27% from the field, 9 ptsTerry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
Probably should see if you can petition the league to get the trade reserved. Especially since he played 29 minutes and was minus 13. Rozier was supposed to come in as a savior and he is already lying to the fans.
He was avg 23 coming into last night's game
Maybe he was just having an off night
dgreen
Footballguy
Oh, you're totally missing out this season! So fun(ny) to watch.
At the moment I'm super angry at Leonsis for his plan to move the Wiz and Caps to NoVa and the Mystics to Capitol One, so I'm really not watching a lot of Wiz. I'll give it the ole FFA try, though
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Don't you worry, I've caught more than enough to get the general gist of it.Oh, you're totally missing out this season! So fun(ny) to watch.
At the moment I'm super angry at Leonsis for his plan to move the Wiz and Caps to NoVa and the Mystics to Capitol One, so I'm really not watching a lot of Wiz. I'll give it the ole FFA try, though
"Is #13 playing? It's funny because you always get mad at him" -actual quote from my 8yo when she saw me watching a game last week
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Sounds like two stupid organizations. The Pistons have no need for Lavine because he doesn't fit their time line. (Which isn't for another decade). The Bulls should do backflips if they can just get back expiring deals for Lavine and not have to kick in some picks.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Sounds like two stupid organizations. The Pistons have no need for Lavine because he doesn't fit their time line. (Which isn't for another decade). The Bulls should do backflips if they can just get back expiring deals for Lavine and not have to kick in some picks.
My guess/prediction is no team meets the Bulls’ asking price and he finishes the year with the Bulls. We’ll see though.
Major
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Sounds like two stupid organizations. The Pistons have no need for Lavine because he doesn't fit their time line. (Which isn't for another decade). The Bulls should do backflips if they can just get back expiring deals for Lavine and not have to kick in some picks.
Seems like a very Piston like acquisition
msudaisy26
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Sounds like two stupid organizations. The Pistons have no need for Lavine because he doesn't fit their time line. (Which isn't for another decade). The Bulls should do backflips if they can just get back expiring deals for Lavine and not have to kick in some picks.
Seems like a very Piston like acquisition
No. We only go for the bargain basement bad deals. Plus he isn't a center.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
-28 in 29 minutes tonight.Terry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
SWC
Bromigo
ffa bball thread all miniatrone all the time take that to the bank brohans
not gonna lie i miss sportsfan take that to the bank brohan
msudaisy26
Footballguy
-28 in 29 minutes tonight.Terry Rozier -17 in 20 Minutes
That's gonna take a minute to digest
Heat lose 4 in a row and perhaps their worst loss of the season last night
They lost by 33. Bam was minus 28 as well. Time to break up the team.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Over the past three seasons, prior to last night, MIA had been 107-24 (.817) when scoring 110 points or more. Against BOS, they shot 45% overall and 38% from three and only had 4 turnovers to get to 110 points.
If I hadn't seen the game, I would have expected MIA to have won by at least 10 points. But the Celtics shot the lights out. In the 1Q, they made 13 FGs in a row. They kept hunting open shots, made extra passes, and played tough defense for long stretches before playing their B team in the 4th quarter and still won by 33.
Boston ended up with a 64/55/95 shooting line for an 80.5 TS% to go along with 22 3P, 47 rebounds, and 36 assists. That's the best they can play, and no team can touch them when they play like that. The flip side is no team can consistently play like that, and it remains to be seen if they can win in a slog, in pressure situations, when their shots aren't falling. Because there are far more games in the NBA like that than cakewalks where every shot falls.
If I hadn't seen the game, I would have expected MIA to have won by at least 10 points. But the Celtics shot the lights out. In the 1Q, they made 13 FGs in a row. They kept hunting open shots, made extra passes, and played tough defense for long stretches before playing their B team in the 4th quarter and still won by 33.
Boston ended up with a 64/55/95 shooting line for an 80.5 TS% to go along with 22 3P, 47 rebounds, and 36 assists. That's the best they can play, and no team can touch them when they play like that. The flip side is no team can consistently play like that, and it remains to be seen if they can win in a slog, in pressure situations, when their shots aren't falling. Because there are far more games in the NBA like that than cakewalks where every shot falls.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Celtics shot 63/55/95 for the game last night. On a down note, KP sprained his ankle (again). He was upset immediately afterward, but was on the bench standing and cheering during the 4th. Didn't seem like it was a major injury, but I imagine they'll give him plenty of time to heal up with a 3.5 game lead in the East.
I'm trying to stay calm and temper my excitement, but my only real concern with Boston is their health. Their top 8 guys appear to be a playoff ready rotation with no noticeable holes:
-Tatum - offense runs through him, top rebounder and bigger wing/post defender. He's gotten stronger and more efficient this year.
-Brown - 2nd offensive option and can run the offense with Tatum out. Can guard 2-3 or bigger PGs. Just need to keep him from dribbling late in games.
-White - An elite glue guy. Does everything well and can run point if needed.
-Holiday - Top perimeter defender and shooting over 42% from 3 plus solid ball handling.
-Porzingis - Efficient #3 scoring option and rim protection. He's been even better than I hoped he would be.
-Horford - Excellent defender and shooting over 40% from 3 again. Great backup big.
-Hauser - Elite shooter who has become an adequate defender. Backup wing.
-Pritchard - Super quick ball handler and good shooter. Decent backup point guard that can stretch the floor and get hot.
They all shoot 4+ threes per game at 35-42% along with tremendous defense. #1 O-rating & #2 D-rating right now.
I honestly feel like KP is their second most important player right now and he is the most fragile of the bunch. Fingers crossed that he is OK and they can maintain health into the playoffs.
As for Miami, that's 5 losses in a row for the Heat.
I'm trying to stay calm and temper my excitement, but my only real concern with Boston is their health. Their top 8 guys appear to be a playoff ready rotation with no noticeable holes:
-Tatum - offense runs through him, top rebounder and bigger wing/post defender. He's gotten stronger and more efficient this year.
-Brown - 2nd offensive option and can run the offense with Tatum out. Can guard 2-3 or bigger PGs. Just need to keep him from dribbling late in games.
-White - An elite glue guy. Does everything well and can run point if needed.
-Holiday - Top perimeter defender and shooting over 42% from 3 plus solid ball handling.
-Porzingis - Efficient #3 scoring option and rim protection. He's been even better than I hoped he would be.
-Horford - Excellent defender and shooting over 40% from 3 again. Great backup big.
-Hauser - Elite shooter who has become an adequate defender. Backup wing.
-Pritchard - Super quick ball handler and good shooter. Decent backup point guard that can stretch the floor and get hot.
They all shoot 4+ threes per game at 35-42% along with tremendous defense. #1 O-rating & #2 D-rating right now.
I honestly feel like KP is their second most important player right now and he is the most fragile of the bunch. Fingers crossed that he is OK and they can maintain health into the playoffs.
As for Miami, that's 5 losses in a row for the Heat.
trader jake
Footballguy
This. After Tatum, Porzingas feels like the second most important player to the Celtics championship hopes. If a specific Celtic were to suffer an injury and be out for the playoffs, KP would affect those odds the second most.
With most of the contenders having a star big, he offers Boston a way to neutralize them to some extent. Enough to allow the rest of the Celtics stacked rotation to win 4 of 7 games at least.
Take KP away and the Celtics simply become a good team hoping to outshoot the opponent without the best player in a series or great execution down the stretch of games. Which may be true already, but relying on Horford for 36 minutes (and the players then filling his role off the bench) every other day in the ECF and Finals doesn't seem like a winning strategy.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Okay, this is kinda cool: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/stephe...e-of-3-point-contest-champions-045113182.html
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I beat your post by a few seconds, it seems. I have watched just about every game this season (and many of them twice on morning replays). Reasons why they have been very successful so far.
- Defensively, many possessions they have picked up the ball earlier than in season's past and have pushed the action way out to the logo. They have done much better switching and pressuring the ball, often leaving opponents with very little time on the shot clock, out of rhythm, and 30 feet from the basket. They have done much better switching on pick and rolls, and there is almost always a BOS defender limiting what used to be open three-point shots. Multiple times per game it seems like an opponent's non-shooting big ends up having a last second heave to beat the shot clock, and without that big player in the paint, they get easy rebounds.
- Playing better in transition on both sides of the floor. Defensively, it seems like they usually have two guys back, and if one of them is Jrue or White, they frequently take what should have been an easy transition basket and turn it into a block or steal and a break going the other way. That often turns into a +3 for BOS instead of a -2, and those 5 points swings are huge boosts.
- Speaking of transition, Brown has done a little better not turning the ball over as much, and Tatum many times is the one bringing the ball up the court and has done a good job. Both guys have been more open to kicking the ball out for clean looks. In half court sets, whoever the big in the middle has been great at kicking the ball out for clean threes. White has been great making those kick outs. Horford seems to have stayed way fresher not playing as much and seems to always make some crunch time threes.
- They seem to have a few minutes each game where they are an absolute buzzsaw. Sort of like what the Warriors used to do. They put the clamps down defensively, hit 5 threes in a row, and go on a 21-2 run in about 3 minutes to stretch out a big lead. The rest of the game they are content to trade baskets, and a lot of nights the main players get half the 4Q off.
- I don't think anyone expected Porzingas to have played as well as he has. His pick and pop game has been fantastic. He's been even better in the post. But what I didn't expect is a lot of possessions where players on the other team won't even go into the paint and take what used to be a layup and instead dribble the ball back out (with that possession turning into late shot clock heaves). KP has had a ton of blocks, lots of tough rebounds, and altered a lot of shots in the paint. IMO, he's the main reason for the big improvement this year (White being the other).
Reasons for concern:
- Tatum gripes about foul calls way too much. He gets to the line plenty, many nights more than he likely should. They aren't going to call a foul every time he touches the ball. He also has nights where he hunts threes, does his fancy cross over dribbles for late shot clock step back threes, and in general takes too many threes. The end of game scenarios that they have lost usually involve Tatum being the go-to guy with poor shot selection, as 4 other guys on the perimeter watch him chuck up bad shots.
- Letting up too early. Most nights, Boston can sprint out to the lead with the starters, they mix and match lineups after that, and then their 20-point lead tends to evaporate, and the game tightens up. A lot of times, they bring in the starters all together, they go on another run, and that usually is enough to carry the day.
- Obviously health is always a concern. Knock on wood, they have avoided any serious injuries so far, but in the post season, one of the main cogs being out would be a huge loss (but that holds true for every team).
- Too much reliance on three-point attempts. They're great when they fall, but they have had stretches where they have allowed huge runs from not making any of them. I'd like to see them get a lead and diversify the offense. Try hunting matchups to get some other players more looks in the post. Or get some guys on the bench more important minutes than just mop up duty.
- Potential half court struggles. Boston sometimes struggle in physical games and being forced to play in in the half court. They won't get as many open looks, they won't be able to just outshoot/outscore teams, and they will have to win ugly. Who knows if they can do that against a team that wants to play more of a schoolyard, bully ball style.
Overall, as you said, if the main 8 guys are available, I like their chances every night and in a playoff series. The verdict is still out on whether Mazzulla can make in game and in series adjustments in a tough playoff series, but we won't know until we get there.
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Major
Footballguy
@msudaisy26
Pistons interested in Zach LaVine. From The Athletic:
“• Similarly, the Chicago Bulls and Pistons have had conversations involving Zach LaVine, league sources say. Chicago appears to be locked in on a package involving Bojan Bogdanović and one of Detroit’s blue-chippers for LaVine and his hefty contract. Once again, the Pistons have shown no interest in parting with any of Cunningham, Ivey, Duren or Thompson. It is possible Detroit considers adding LaVine when/if the Bulls’ asking price goes down. However, those are discussions that have been happening and will continue to happen internally.”
If you’re curious how the Bulls see things, this article from K.C. Johnson discusses the Bulls view on things at the moment. Johnson has been a Bulls beat writer since the Jordan years. He is connected and credible.
Sounds like two stupid organizations. The Pistons have no need for Lavine because he doesn't fit their time line. (Which isn't for another decade). The Bulls should do backflips if they can just get back expiring deals for Lavine and not have to kick in some picks.
Seems like a very Piston like acquisition
No. We only go for the bargain basement bad deals. Plus he isn't a center.
I think we're on the same page. I was more referring to the stupid part.
Major
Footballguy
I was cringing watching him last night just being a casual fan so I can only imagine what it's like as a homer. Those two missed free throws last night were the final straw for me. Why did they trade for this dude?
the moops
Footballguy
Lottery protected 2024 first
He was shooting like a poor man's Steph last year. He's had a couple of hot games this year but mostly he just looks like he has the yips. You could see the anxiety in his eyes when he was shooting those free throws last night. To his credit, he's trying to make up for it in other areas - his defense can be surprisingly passable, as could be seen when he helped force the Curry turnover on the last possession. He's on a good contract, and I think he'd be a worthwhile buy low candidate for a team that can patiently wait for him to find his groove again. But if the Kings want to be a threat to avoid the play-in or win a playoff round, he needs to start playing like he did for most of last year or they need an upgrade.
the moops
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Major
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I noticed it too. I've seen that look before mostly from Buffalo Kickers in the playoffs. Not a good sign for the post season. Hope he figures it out because I'd love to see them make a playoff run.
Chemical X
Footballguy
it’s been fun watching the knicks recently. obviously a cut below the big boys and the real contenders, but playing meaningful games is something that hasn’t been seen in a long time. i loved the anunoby deal and it seems a big win. they are a star away from being something maybe more, but finding that star is something else.
Major
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Amazing how much Brunson has done for the organization. Love that dude. Agreed on being a player away but they're going to be a tough out.
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the moops
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Jayrod
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Like Malcolm Brogdon or Donovan Mitchell.I mean every single NBA player "can be" a passable defender at certain timesThere's a specific reason why I chose the language "can be".Video and Shotcharts | Stats | NBA.com
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General Malaise
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Seems like that other Thompson Twin might be up to something.....
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