2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (10 Viewers)

[strykerpks]

Strange random stat: before tonight, the Bucks hadn’t lost on a Tuesday since 2021 (26 straight wins).

fire Doc

The last time they lost on a Tuesday they won a title.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

 

[msudaisy26]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

 

[Chemical X]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

detroit going for it! fontecchio a great way to keep ausar glued to the bench.

 

[the moops]

Xavier Tillman to Boston for two 2nd round picks. Like that move for the Celtics

 

[Jayrod]

Xavier Tillman to Boston for two 2nd round picks. Like that move for the Celtics

He'll eat up some of Brisset's and some of Kornet's minutes as a wing/big man hybrid. He's been terrible offensively this season, but seems to be a plus defender.

 

[the moops]

Xavier Tillman to Boston for two 2nd round picks. Like that move for the Celtics

He'll eat up some of Brisset's and some of Kornet's minutes as a wing/big man hybrid. He's been terrible offensively this season, but seems to be a plus defender.

The entire Memphis team, minus Desmond Bane, has been terrible offensively this year.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The Detroit Pistons are finalizing a deal to send guard Monte Morris to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

 

[the moops]

The Detroit Pistons are finalizing a deal to send guard Monte Morris to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

@Frostillicus !!!!!

 

[Kev4029]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

Nice little trade for them. Don't give up much and have something of a secondary choice next off-season if Conley is too expensive.

 

[msudaisy26]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

This is a win/win Pistons have no use for Monte long term and get a lottery ticket and two players that have club options next season. Wolves got a decent and cheap back up PG that has playoff experience.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

Nice little trade for them. Don't give up much and have something of a secondary choice next off-season if Conley is too expensive.

Agreed. Brown and Milton are decent end of rotation contributors for the regular season, but would not be playoff players, which Morris has a better chance of being. So just giving up that and a 2030 2nd seems like a no brainer.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Xavier Tillman to Boston for two 2nd round picks. Like that move for the Celtics

He'll eat up some of Brisset's and some of Kornet's minutes as a wing/big man hybrid. He's been terrible offensively this season, but seems to be a plus defender.

The entire Memphis team, minus Desmond Bane, has been terrible offensively this year.

He had some nice offensive moments last year and if the celtics needed anything, it was another rotation big man, so Tillman will fill that role nicely. The rich get richer.

 

[the moops]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

This is a win/win Pistons have no use for Monte long term and get a lottery ticket and two players that have club options next season. Wolves got a decent and cheap back up PG that has playoff experience.

What lottery ticket did the Pistons get?

 

[Chemical X]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

This is a win/win Pistons have no use for Monte long term and get a lottery ticket and two players that have club options next season. Wolves got a decent and cheap back up PG that has playoff experience.

What lottery ticket did the Pistons get?

the pistons gave up their 2nd in the fontecchio deal, much better ticket than a late 2nd from minny. pistons getting bench players, now they need a starting 5.

 

[msudaisy26]

Timberwolves are sending Shake Milton, Troy Brown Jr. and one second-round pick to Detroit for Monte Morris, sources said.

This is a win/win Pistons have no use for Monte long term and get a lottery ticket and two players that have club options next season. Wolves got a decent and cheap back up PG that has playoff experience.

What lottery ticket did the Pistons get?

2nd round pick.

 

[dgreen]

How bad does Jordan Poole have to be in order to be benched?

 

[Jayrod]

How bad does Jordan Poole have to be in order to be benched?

He has imploded this season.

He should have been the next Jordan Clarkson.

 

[Frostillicus]

The Detroit Pistons are finalizing a deal to send guard Monte Morris to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

@Frostillicus !!!!!

We did it!!

Seriously, great trade. Well, as great as a trade for a backup point guard can be. Neither Brown nor Shake play, and they need another PG, another adult in the room, and someone who doesn't turn the ball over - Morris is all three.

 

[Deamon]

Kelly Olynyk is likely to be traded from the Jazz before the deadline passes, per @Tjonesonthenba (theathletic.com/5256215/2024/0…).
Olynyk continues to garner significant interest from multiple playoff contending teams.

Golden State is the favorite to land him.

 

[msudaisy26]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

 

[nysfl2]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

How bad does Jordan Poole have to be in order to be benched?

I'm not sure that the tanking wizards see his badness as a bug.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

agreed. they've basically been the worst team in the league for the last 4 years. if they are still banking on 2nd-round picks as being the savior, then they might as well just trade everyone. they need to give Cade a better ecosystem to see if he can really be the guy. the FA class this year is not that inspiring and they are not at the top of anyone's list, so I wouldn't be expecting them to create a major improvement that way. Getting the inside track on a guy who honestly may be one of the better free agents on the board seems smart.

if they don't re-sign him (unless they somehow do something else amazing with their space or somebody gives him some insane offer), then I will definitely criticize the move. for now, i think that it is a smart bet.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What are your predictions? More quiet than usual? That seems to be the consensus.

I don’t think the Bulls will do anything. There appears to be some smoke with them and Philly but I honestly don’t get what Philly could offer since the Bulls apparently aren’t sellers (they should be sellers but that’s beside the point).

 

[Spartans Rule]

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

The Pistons are already screwed. There’s no thing to even tear down. They have 4 mildly interesting prospects and that’s it. If they pay those guys and try to build a real NBA team out of this mess, they’ll end up stuck in the cycle of mediocrity, at best.

The upside is that tanking is a very viable NBA strategy. Fire Weaver, admit this decade is a lost cause, and you’ve actually got an attractive blank slate for a competent GM. But I doubt they do that. They’ll let Weaver try to salvage the mess he’s made and that will probably set them back another decade.

 

[msudaisy26]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

Who should they pay other than Cade?

 

[the moops]

The Indiana Pacers are trading Buddy Hield to the 76ers for Marcus Morris, Furkan Korkmaz and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

 

[msudaisy26]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

agreed. they've basically been the worst team in the league for the last 4 years. if they are still banking on 2nd-round picks as being the savior, then they might as well just trade everyone. they need to give Cade a better ecosystem to see if he can really be the guy. the FA class this year is not that inspiring and they are not at the top of anyone's list, so I wouldn't be expecting them to create a major improvement that way. Getting the inside track on a guy who honestly may be one of the better free agents on the board seems smart.

if they don't re-sign him (unless they somehow do something else amazing with their space or somebody gives him some insane offer), then I will definitely criticize the move. for now, i think that it is a smart bet.

As a have not in the basketball world you have to try to catch lighting with these picks. They have no second round picks until 2027. That is stupid.

 

[Capella]

The Indiana Pacers are trading Buddy Hield to the 76ers for Marcus Morris, Furkan Korkmaz and three second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

Come on the GD Magic couldn’t top this??? They don’t even use their second round picks. They sold one last year for cash.

 

[thecatch]

Olynyk and Hield are going to be the big acquisitions today - exciting!

 

[nysfl2]

Jazz send Simone Fontecchio to the Pistons for a 2nd rounder (most favorable of Washington/Memphis). That's a pretty good pick, but a little surprised that Utah would give him up considering they have no one else who resembles a 3. Not a bad deal for Detroit.

He is 28 and a RFA at the end of the year. Seems like a bad move giving up a cheap, young lotto ticket for a more expensive older lotto ticket.

Plus the Jazz always seem to make great trades. I have little faith that the Pistons front office got them on one.

Getting his restricted rights is a plus, not a minus. I wouldn’t call him a lotto ticket either. He’s been part of Utah’s 2 most successful lineups this year, including the one that has played the most minutes. Much much better than troy’s usual reclamation center fetish.

It is fair to give Utah front off the benefit of the doubt, but I still think this will help Detroit.

My point is he is better than your average 2nd round pick, but he also doesn't have the upside of a rookie coming in. The Pistons aren't in a position to trade for those type of players. Plus in this case being an RFA is bad because a 2nd round pick has a rookie contract, then an RFA.

This is the type of move a team competing for a title that is against the cap should make, not a team that has like 60 million in cap space and is the doormat of the league.

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

Who should they pay other than Cade?

Presumably, Ivey and Duren, but they have another year to figure that out.

But the days of having 40-60 million in cap space to try to do something magical are coming to an end this offseason.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Jordan Poole had a nice stat line last night ... In 28 minutes ... 0 pts. 0-5 from field. 0-4 from 3. 6 fouls. Quality.

 

[nysfl2]

I disagree - the Pistons are going to have to start paying their young players pretty soon, so need to stop going after lottery tickets and start adding real NBA players who can complement the young guys to form a real NBA team. If the young guys you have at this point (plus the top 5 pick in the draft and whatever they sign this offseason) don't wind up being good enough to form the core of a contending team, they're pretty much screwed and will need to tear the whole thing down again and start over.

The Pistons are already screwed. There’s no thing to even tear down. They have 4 mildly interesting prospects and that’s it. If they pay those guys and try to build a real NBA team out of this mess, they’ll end up stuck in the cycle of mediocrity, at best.

The upside is that tanking is a very viable NBA strategy. Fire Weaver, admit this decade is a lost cause, and you’ve actually got an attractive blank slate for a competent GM. But I doubt they do that. They’ll let Weaver try to salvage the mess he’s made and that will probably set them back another decade.

At this point, I'm pretty sure that ownership would be thrilled with getting up to the cycle of mediocrity and start selling tickets again

 

[NewlyRetired]

Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn


The Oklahoma City Thunder are finalizing a trade to send G Tre Mann and F Davis Bertans to the Charlotte Hornets for Gordon Hayward, sources tell ESPN.

 

[the moops]

Love that deal for OKC.

 

[Deamon]

So unbelievably pissed about the Olynyk trade. I hate the Raptors even more than the Celtics! This one really stings.

 

[Chemical X]

NYK acquiring Burks and Bogjanovic for Fournier, Grimey, Flynn and a pair of 2s.

EDIT: NYK also unloading Arcidiacono

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Daniel Gafford to DAL. Gaff doesn't need the ball to contribute and is an excellent paint protector. All hustle. DAL gonna have to figure out what to do when he has to guard a big man that can shoot. Other than that this is a very good pickup for DAL

 

[Deamon]

Really hoping Olynyk doesn't re-sign in Toronto this offseason. Apparently Miami, GS, and Philly all made pushes for him. Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

 

[the moops]

Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

Knd of a low bar

 

[Deamon]

Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

Knd of a low bar

?

 

[Chemical X]

NYK acquiring Burks and Bogjanovic for Fournier, Grimey, Flynn and a pair of 2s.

EDIT: NYK also unloading Arcidiacono

This is a pretty nice deal for the NYK. I will give up 2s all day long. Grimey is a nice piece, but replaceable. Essentially, McBride is already Grimes. Burks and Bog have no long term commitment and i think Bog has a 24-25 contract with only $2mm guaranteed. Both can shoot and Bog is a big body, which the NYK need. Especially now since everyone is dead.

 

[the moops]

Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

Knd of a low bar

?

Dreams. If Olynyk makes your dreams come true - well, that is sad dream

 

[Deamon]

Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

Knd of a low bar

?

Dreams. If Olynyk makes your dreams come true - well, that is sad dream

Having a kid I coached eventually play for my favourite team was always a dream.

 

[the moops]

Having him in Philly would have been a dream come true.

Knd of a low bar

?

Dreams. If Olynyk makes your dreams come true - well, that is sad dream

Having a kid I coached eventually play for my favourite team was always a dream.

Oh sorry - forgot about the coaching part. My bad. And sorry for that indeed would have been a sweet *** dream come true!

 

[the moops]

Detroit apparently could have gotten two firsts for Bogdanovic last year and another first for Burks.

Instead they get two 2nds and Grimes

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Davis Bertans to his 4 team in 3 years. The life of a 'shooter' w a terrible contract that can't play D or make 3s. Dude is gonna make $85M putting up 2.9 pts per game. All based on one season where he got hot.