2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (9 Viewers)

[encaitar]

Ball don't lie. Terrible foul call. Doncic gets too many of those BS calls from the refs.

 

[Desert_Power]

Ball don't lie...

 

[The Gator]

Ball don't lie. Terrible foul call. Doncic gets too many of those BS calls from the refs.

 

[identikit]

Kyrie never really showed up tonight. Thats the difference. Feels like Dallas played badly, without one of the 4 most important players, Min got a huge game from KAT, and it was still down to the wire.

Fun Luka play at the end too but don't think it'll matter.

Kyrie kind of disappears pretty often

 

[msudaisy26]

Does Naz ever do anything bad?

 

[encaitar]

Wow. Probably the most obvious foul of the game on Reid there and no call literally 10 seconds after a phantom call for Doncic. At least make it look like you're trying to be partial. Holy ****.

 

[Zow]

Does Naz ever do anything bad?

I mean, he could have hit that game winner…

 

[the moops]

Then they miss that foul on Naz. My god

 

[identikit]

I don’t get the Miller and Miller commercial with Reggie Miller and JJ Watt. Wouldn’t you want 2 guys with the last name Miller?

Agreed. Brad miller must be available

Doesn’t need to be an athlete I suppose. Sienna Miller, Dennis Miller, Percy Miller (Master P)

Mike Miller

 

[msudaisy26]

On to game five. Take it one at a time Twolves.

 

[The Gator]

WE DID IT

 

[offdee]

I don’t get the Miller and Miller commercial with Reggie Miller and JJ Watt. Wouldn’t you want 2 guys with the last name Miller?

Agreed. Brad miller must be available

Von Miller instead of JJ Watt is an easy fix.

 

[msudaisy26]

Does Naz ever do anything bad?

I mean, he could have hit that game winner…

He was like perfect the whole game and it was a good shot.

 

[The Gator]

This guy who thinks this .1 of a second is the biggest thing since sliced bread, who is he? He's terrible. Every event that happens in the last minute is the most important thing ever...until the next one.

 

[mr. furley]

which one of these statnerd sites has the numbers on pick & roll pts per touch?

Gobert has to be last of all NBA players, not just centers.... right??

One of the best in these playoffs: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/roll-man?dir=D&sort=PPP

see, just like i said, Gobert is one of the best ppp out of the pick & roll

 

[Zow]

Does Naz ever do anything bad?

I mean, he could have hit that game winner…

He was like perfect the whole game and it was a good shot.

That he was.

 

[Desert_Power]

Glad we get more of this series. No hate to the Mavs.

SVG had a good call tonight too.

 

[Moe.]

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

 

[the moops]

This guy who thinks this .1 of a second is the biggest thing since sliced bread, who is he? He's terrible. Every event that happens in the last minute is the most important thing ever...until the next one.

Huh? He was joking. I love Van Gundy

 

[scoobus]

KAT redemption tour,

Kind of.

 

[identikit]

9 FTs missed by Minny

Gotta do better next time

 

[The Gator]

This guy who thinks this .1 of a second is the biggest thing since sliced bread, who is he? He's terrible. Every event that happens in the last minute is the most important thing ever...until the next one.

Huh? He was joking. I love Van Gundy

He said it about 4-5 times in the last minute

 

[Frostillicus]

All we do is win elimination games.

 

[Major]

Does Naz ever do anything bad?

I mean, he could have hit that game winner…

Amazing he went undrafted

 

[The Gator]

All we do is win elimination games.

You should go on a roll now then, eh?

 

[msudaisy26]

I love Barkely on TNT, but he would have been hilarious as a coach.

"That was terrible, why are you so dumb?"

 

[identikit]

I love Barkely on TNT, but he would have been hilarious as a coach.

"That was turrible, why are you so dumb?"

FYP

 

[identikit]

The KAT and ANT show was pretty great in the presser

 

[Frostillicus]

It's happening.

 

[Deamon]

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

I dunno, seeing 2 conference finals sweeps for the first time in history would have been cool.

 

[Bossman]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

You get two steps. When he came to a stop, the first foot down (right foot) equals his first step and pivot foot. His second foot down (left foot) is his second step and not his pivot foot, so he can move that around as long as he holds his pivot foot. When he shoots, he steps forward on his left foot while picking up his right foot. That is legal. His left foot equates to his second step there, and he never puts his right foot back on the floor before shooting, so there is no third step.

I'm surprised there is so much debate on this. It is very clearly not a travel and never has been under and college or NBA level rules that I am aware of. It is actually textbook good footwork.

So, from a standstill, you can step and lift your pivot foot ... continue on to your non-pivot foot and pass the ball or take a shot ... and this has always been the rule?
So this would be the case if you never dribbled either? Catch the ball, pivot back and forth, up-fake, and then take a giant step onto your non-pivot foot, pass or shoot?
I must be the only old guy in here. In my day we'd get called for traveling if we dragged our pivot foot a few inches ... now you can just step right off it and shoot off the other foot lol.
UPS: What Can Brown Do For You

I don't know what to tell you. Your pivot foot equals your first of two steps you are allowed without traveling. You can lift it as @Jayrod stated, as has always been true.

The rulebook doesn't really go into much detail about the two steps... but I'm thinking, when they wrote it, the 2 steps are supposed to be a continuation of motion after picking up your dribble. ie, going in for a layup. I don't think the rule intended for players to use 2 steps after coming to a complete stop and up-faking ... but it doesn't say you can't.
It looks very odd to me to see a player leave his pivot foot and head off to shoot 7 feet closer to the basket.
I don't remember players doing this when I started watching in the 1980's .... which makes me think that at some point the rule is being interpreted differently.
And stay off my lawn.

 

[identikit]

So glad we have another game soonish

Go Wolves!

 

[identikit]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

 

[trader jake]

It's happening.

Apparently Micah Parsons was talking to Anthony Edwards in the hallway. Ant asked him what size shoe he wears, so he can bring him some for Game 6.

 

[Instinctive]

Where does Luka rank all-time in terms of alley-oop throwers?

It's a conversation between him and Magic Johnson. Nobody else is really there.

But you could round it out with Kidd, Bird, and Paul IMO

Trae Young has about 4 a game.

I mean I'm sure we can just look up quantity. I thought the question was a more subjective ranking than pure volume.

 

[Kanil]

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

I dunno, seeing 2 conference finals sweeps for the first time in history would have been cool.

Waiting a jillion years for finals to start with no basketball would suck though. Glad this one got extended.

Edit: And not just glad because Minny made me a Wolves fan for the rest of the way. Still waiting on my hat, Woz.

 

[Zow]

Where does Luka rank all-time in terms of alley-oop throwers?

It's a conversation between him and Magic Johnson. Nobody else is really there.

But you could round it out with Kidd, Bird, and Paul IMO

Trae Young has about 4 a game.

I mean I'm sure we can just look up quantity. I thought the question was a more subjective ranking than pure volume.

Right - I asked that question initially after watching Luka toss his umpteenth perfect lob pass in a row and I tried to rack my brain for somebody better.

Agree with the Magic and Trae Young suggestions, and it feels like a Chris Paul or maybe like a James Harden or Steve Nash would be up there.

 

[offdee]

Where does Luka rank all-time in terms of alley-oop throwers?

It's a conversation between him and Magic Johnson. Nobody else is really there.

But you could round it out with Kidd, Bird, and Paul IMO

Trae Young has about 4 a game.

I mean I'm sure we can just look up quantity. I thought the question was a more subjective ranking than pure volume.

Well Trae Young is very good at it, which is why he does it often and usually successfully.

 

[Zow]

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

I dunno, seeing 2 conference finals sweeps for the first time in history would have been cool.

Waiting a jillion years for finals to start with no basketball would suck though. Glad this one got extended.

Edit: And not just glad because Minny made me a Wolves fan for the rest of the way. Still waiting on my hat, Woz.

Sorry, I'm just coming up for air from 4 days of golf and whisky - and no adult responsibilities.

 

[Zow]

So Little Woz had to go to bed midway through the 4th last night (he was falling asleep on the couch and Mrs. Woz called it). For the first time in awhile I got to give him good news when he woke up. Edwards jersey back on today and, despite what I explained to him, he's insistent that if we beat the "Denver Mavericks" tomorrow night we go to the Finals.

Personally, I'm just happy that I get another game with him. He was at his cousins' for the first three games of the series and came back slightly disinterested.

 

[Kev4029]

Where does Luka rank all-time in terms of alley-oop throwers?

It's a conversation between him and Magic Johnson. Nobody else is really there.

But you could round it out with Kidd, Bird, and Paul IMO

Trae Young has about 4 a game.

Steve Nash is up there as well.

 

[Kanil]

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

I dunno, seeing 2 conference finals sweeps for the first time in history would have been cool.

Waiting a jillion years for finals to start with no basketball would suck though. Glad this one got extended.

Edit: And not just glad because Minny made me a Wolves fan for the rest of the way. Still waiting on my hat, Woz.

Sorry, I'm just coming up for air from 4 days of golf and whisky - and no adult responsibilities.

I'd say go steal the Ant jersey and send it to me but I'm pretty sure I'd suffocate if I got a kid's jersey on at this point in my life.

Big win for the neutrals, nice job Wolves

I dunno, seeing 2 conference finals sweeps for the first time in history would have been cool.

Waiting a jillion years for finals to start with no basketball would suck though. Glad this one got extended.

Edit: And not just glad because Minny made me a Wolves fan for the rest of the way. Still waiting on my hat, Woz.

Sorry, I'm just coming up for air from 4 days of golf and whisky - and no adult responsibilities.

Living the dream! Here's hoping the Wolves stay alive a while longer. I'm still rooting for them but wouldn't be terribly sad about a Mavs/Stars double parade.

 

[the moops]

I like how the example the NBA uses for what should be an offensive foul is Luka on what was almost exactly what happened last night

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[Jayrod]

I like how the example the NBA uses for what should be an offensive foul is Luka on what was almost exactly what happened last night

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I was yelling at the TV that it was offensive after the call and the replay.
Luka went into KAT outside of his normal shot motion.

 

[Desert_Power]

I like how the example the NBA uses for what should be an offensive foul is Luka on what was almost exactly what happened last night

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He does this type of move pretty frequently. I get that it harder to police than Harden's kick, but was pretty glaring last night.

 

[Bossman]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

Actually thought he might try and miss that free-throw on purpose for a chance at a rebound, kick out 3 point attempt.
Score was 103-100 at the time I believe. I was listening to it on the radio and it didn't sound like a miss to get a rebound tho.

 

[the moops]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

Actually thought he might try and miss that free-throw on purpose for a chance at a rebound, kick out 3 point attempt.
Score was 103-100 at the time I believe. I was listening to it on the radio and it didn't sound like a miss to get a rebound tho.

Nah, you gotta make that to get it to a 2 point game. Enough time to foul and play the free throw game

 

[identikit]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

Actually thought he might try and miss that free-throw on purpose for a chance at a rebound, kick out 3 point attempt.
Score was 103-100 at the time I believe. I was listening to it on the radio and it didn't sound like a miss to get a rebound tho.

Nah, you gotta make that to get it to a 2 point game. Enough time to foul and play the free throw game

Yep..


Minny was super shaky on the FTs last night

 

[Major]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

Actually thought he might try and miss that free-throw on purpose for a chance at a rebound, kick out 3 point attempt.
Score was 103-100 at the time I believe. I was listening to it on the radio and it didn't sound like a miss to get a rebound tho.

Nah, you gotta make that to get it to a 2 point game. Enough time to foul and play the free throw game

Especially with Gobert and Co. clanking them all night

 

[Jayrod]

Luca missing that And 1 @ the end was huge

Actually thought he might try and miss that free-throw on purpose for a chance at a rebound, kick out 3 point attempt.
Score was 103-100 at the time I believe. I was listening to it on the radio and it didn't sound like a miss to get a rebound tho.

He 100% was trying to make it and just missed.