2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (2 Viewers)

[Instinctive]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

 

[Osaurus]

Appropriate title change

 

[-OZ-]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

You think every team not in the CFP should just forfeit the season?

The vast majority of teams are playing for things other than the championship.

 

[jm192]

It should be the 4 most deserving teams. Not the 4 "best" teams. Because no one knows who the "best" teams are and every year people think they do and end up being WAY wrong more often than not.

This is doubly true when you have a team whose strength is their defense. FSU deserved to be in. It doesn't matter how ugly the wins are. Defensive wins are going to be ugly, but defense can win championships.

Man I remember the 2007 Florida/Ohio State BCS championship so clearly. Florida had a great defense so many of their wins were so ugly. They had to block a last second field goal to beat a mediocre South Carolina team at home. All their games were close. Their resume was better than Michigan's but people were saying just put Michigan in there because the eye test is clear and OSU/UM are clearly better, we KNOW this.

And then we all know how it went. Great defense dominated. Both Michigan and OSU got dominated in their bowl games.

If Michigan's loss hadn't just so happened to be against the same team that they would end up playing in the title game Michigan would have certainly gotten in over Florida, despite Florida having much better wins. And no one would have ever been the wiser, and we'd probably still be sitting around thinking those two teams were the clear two best teams in college football (and probably rating that OSU team as one of the best all-time).

You have to give FSU a chance to prove it on the field. They earned that.

I think you can go either way with it.

The committee clearly thinks it's supposed to be the 4 "best teams" as decided by them. You're right we don't know anything, but you can certainly form opinions based on what you see. The old "eye test." I typically want to see the 4 best teams, not the 4 most deserving teams. I'd like all of the games to be really competitive.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

 

[Capella]

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

 

[jm192]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

Alabama is probably the best team in the country at the moment. They have 1 more loss than FSU. But I think the conversation has to be more nuanced than "1 loss is worse than zero." Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Alabama's 1 loss is to Texas #3 and in the playoffs. They beat #1 Georgia IN Georgia. They did it in the SEC Championship game. How do you leave out the SEC champion that also looks like the best team in the country?

Georgia has a legit gripe. No team ranked #1 going into the conference championship game has missed the playoffs. Their only loss was in the SEC Championship game to a playoff Alabama team.

You almost can't put Bama in without putting Texas in. Same number of losses, both conference champions. Texas beat Bama head to head.

I think in the end it was easiest to say "FSU lost their QB" and "This was Georgia's playoff game. Win and in."

 

[Tom Servo]

Iowa fans today.

 

[AAABatteries]

Iowa fans today.

 

[AAABatteries]

I spit my beer partially out reading that meme.

I’ve watched every snap of both these games - horrible football and not sure why I’m so stupid as to watch it.

 

[3C's]

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

FSU was down 13-0 when Jordan Travis got hurt. With the backup QB they came out and rolled off 58 straight points. Then they won by 9 the following week in a rivalry game against an SEC team on the road at night in one of the toughest stadiums to play in.

That is the QB that would have been playing in the playoff games, not the guy who played last night (when they beat a top 15 team, btw).

Louisville is much better than Auburn and FSU with their 3rd string QB beat UL much more convincingly than Alabama did with a stroke of luck against some god awful coaching to beat a lousy Auburn team. Why aren't they punished for "winning ugly" against a significantly worth Auburn team with the same QB they'll have in the playoffs, while FSU is punished for "winning ugly" against a top 15 team with a 3rd string QB that won't be forced to play in the playoffs?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

 

[Zow]

I hate FSU so so much but that is an all-time screw job. Wtf.

Not an all-time IMO. From my perspective, and I'm not invested in any D1 team, there were 5 teams with very legitimate claims to be in.* By obvious math, one was out and no matter which that team/school would have a very legitimate gripe for being omitted. Honestly, from an outsider's perspective, this nonsense just affirms why I'll continue to think Sundays are the far superior football product.

*Thinking out this at length, I think Washington was the only must-be lock. I could see an argument for Michigan's cheating. Alabama is the best team by the eye test but they have a loss when FSU and Texas don't. Texas and FSU are similarly situated, but Texas beat Alabama so just optically Texas can't be out and Bama in.

Gun to my head if I were the committee I'd have left out Alabama, but the committee must have thought they SOS and quality wins superseded the loss and for reasons stated above that means Texas must be in too leaving FSU the odd man out. Sucks but not an all-time screw job under the circumstances.

 

[Zow]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

Yep.

Just a poor product.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

Alabama is probably the best team in the country at the moment. They have 1 more loss than FSU. But I think the conversation has to be more nuanced than "1 loss is worse than zero." Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Alabama's 1 loss is to Texas #3 and in the playoffs. They beat #1 Georgia IN Georgia. They did it in the SEC Championship game. How do you leave out the SEC champion that also looks like the best team in the country?

Georgia has a legit gripe. No team ranked #1 going into the conference championship game has missed the playoffs. Their only loss was in the SEC Championship game to a playoff Alabama team.

You almost can't put Bama in without putting Texas in. Same number of losses, both conference champions. Texas beat Bama head to head.

I think in the end it was easiest to say "FSU lost their QB" and "This was Georgia's playoff game. Win and in."

How quickly you forget that Alabama needed a hail marry to beat a 6-6 Auburn team just 2 weeks ago.

And before you say "it was a rivalry game on the road" keep in mind that about 30 minutes before that game ended FSU had just finished comfortably taking knees on the road against their biggest rival.

 

[Capella]

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Yea he was horrible.

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Think my bad news part was pretty much the entire problem.

 

[3C's]

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Yea he was horrible.

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Think my bad news part was pretty much the entire problem.

Lack of experience/playing time? You'd think he would have a grasp of the system but I get being rusty. That wasn't too good last night.

 

[Capella]

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Yea he was horrible.

FSU likely will be down to Brock Glenn tomorrow. Good news is he is undoubtedly more talented than Tate. Bad news is 6 months in the system vs 4 years.

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

The most annoying thing about this is the guy who played last night wouldn’t be playing in a month. Rodemaker, who isn’t great but better than Glenn, had a concussion. The whole thing is stupid.

Think my bad news part was pretty much the entire problem.

Lack of experience/playing time? You'd think he would have a grasp of the system but I get being rusty. That wasn't too good last night.

He hasn’t played and missed 6 weeks due to injury. Who knows maybe he won’t be good at all and we’ll look back at this and think wow that guy was horrible but for now they like him a lot.

 

[Major]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

I seriously doubt teams 13-16 will be undefeated and Major Conference champions but you're entitled to your own opinion

 

[AAABatteries]

You know how politicians write books years down the road and give up secrets and insider stuff. I would absolutely read a book where one of these guys with real knowledge tells us how these things really went down.

I have a feeling there were a lot of factors and probably disagreements amongst the group but I imagine ultimately it came down to:

Everybody vote whether they think Bama or FSU is a better team right now. Even most of you who are upset at the results probably think Bama is better. Maybe not all of you but if you take the committees word that they are trying to get the four best teams then I can understand how someone could vote Bama one of those four.

 

[The Commish]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

Alabama is probably the best team in the country at the moment. They have 1 more loss than FSU. But I think the conversation has to be more nuanced than "1 loss is worse than zero." Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Alabama's 1 loss is to Texas #3 and in the playoffs. They beat #1 Georgia IN Georgia. They did it in the SEC Championship game. How do you leave out the SEC champion that also looks like the best team in the country?

Georgia has a legit gripe. No team ranked #1 going into the conference championship game has missed the playoffs. Their only loss was in the SEC Championship game to a playoff Alabama team.

You almost can't put Bama in without putting Texas in. Same number of losses, both conference champions. Texas beat Bama head to head.

I think in the end it was easiest to say "FSU lost their QB" and "This was Georgia's playoff game. Win and in."

If it's 12 teams, we're arguing about Penn State vs Ole MIss right now or something like that. I don't think anyone including their own fans would claim they are the best team. We are legit leaving an undefeated team out of the playoffs so you're comparison about 4 vs 5 and 12 vs 13 is bunk.

Georgia does have a gripe based on Corrigan's explanation about taking the best teams. Corrigan is a clown.

 

[AAABatteries]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

We're now entering that fantastic part of the college football season where nothing happens for 2-3 weeks except us talking about all the top players on top teams who will not be playing in the bowl games.

 

[AAABatteries]

Georgia does have a gripe based on Corrigan's explanation about taking the best teams. Corrigan is a clown.

For obvious reasons (to me and you) I’m totally fine with the result but I agree with this. Not sure if you agree me but I think UGA is one of the four best teams. Nobody would have said otherwise at the end of the regular season. It is inconsistent on their part but then I struggle with who they should replace - I can’t say they are better than Bama and transitive property says they aren’t better than Texas. I do think they are better than Texas though and probably Michigan.

As an aside - while logically I get the 12 vs. 13 argument I think we all know that there’s not been a team in the last 30 years that was 13th or worse that would win the playoff - I won’t care who argues what about 12 vs. 13.

 

[The Commish]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As an aside - while logically I get the 12 vs. 13 argument I think we all know that there’s not been a team in the last 30 years that was 13th or worse that would win the playoff - I won’t care who argues what about 12 vs. 13.

Yeah, we'll all argue about 12 v 13 in future years but realistically we'll understand that anyone down that far doesn't really have anything to gripe about as they had many chances throughout the year to not be ranked that far down. Kind or like the NCAA hoops tourney. We gripe about teams missing out, but we don't REALLY care that much and forget about it pretty fast (compared to something like what happened to FSU here, which will be remembered forever).

So it mitigates the controversy by a LOT.

But on the flipside, it makes everything less interesting. Most of the games this weekend would have been relatively meaningless instead of having us all glued to our seats, willing to watch even the worst football imaginable because it was so impactful.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

 

[Moe.]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

 

[bigbottom]

Words I have NEVER uttered in my entire life. . . . Roll Damn Tide!

Ouch, how can you? I cheered so hard for you guys against Georgia last year.

Sorry, I. . . just can't. . . no hate just a little bitterness.

I am the opposite, I root for OSU every game except that last one in November. The better they look, the better we look in comparison.

That’s the difference between Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans. Buckeye fans won’t even say or write the word Michigan, much less root for them.

As I grew up in Ohio, have lots of friends on social media who are Buckeyes fans. They either use “*” or “TTUN” (That Team Up North) to refer to Michigan. They also routinely post photos of words or businesses that start with a capital M with the “M” crossed out. Die hard Buckeyes fans will NEVER root for Michigan, even if it’s against their own interest. Just ask @Sullie. “Roll Tide” posts are littering my feed right now.

 

[Moe.]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

I honestly don’t have a problem with them using whatever justification they want to pick whichever teams make the most sense. I always thought it was dumb that people wanted them to uphold a certain set of criteria, the whole point of a committee is that they aren’t beholden to that kind of crap because each year is different. I just think they made the wrong choice this year.

 

[gump]

Sucks for Michigan too.

https://x.com/journoryan/status/1731368734265155589?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

 

[Instinctive]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

Yeah the 12-team makes a lot of sense. As I understand, it alleviates key concerns:
1. P5 conference champs get in
2. Highest G5 champ is in
3. Fill in the other 6 with the 6 remaining highest ranked teams

We'll have just as much fun arguing 10-15 for the final couple spots, and all the teams that really should be considered likely to win will be in.

 

[AAABatteries]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

I honestly don’t have a problem with them using whatever justification they want to pick whichever teams make the most sense. I always thought it was dumb that people wanted them to uphold a certain set of criteria, the whole point of a committee is that they aren’t beholden to that kind of crap because each year is different. I just think they made the wrong choice this year.

Just to make sure I understand you perspective - you think FSU was one of the four most deserving and best teams? Totally fair if you do, just trying to understand your position.

 

[Tom Servo]

Chapped FSU fans acting chapped.

 

[Moe.]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

I honestly don’t have a problem with them using whatever justification they want to pick whichever teams make the most sense. I always thought it was dumb that people wanted them to uphold a certain set of criteria, the whole point of a committee is that they aren’t beholden to that kind of crap because each year is different. I just think they made the wrong choice this year.

Just to make sure I understand you perspective - you think FSU was one of the four most deserving and best teams? Totally fair if you do, just trying to understand your position.

You’re probably not gonna be happy with my answer here but best is just such a weird adjective to me in the context of this discussion. The goal of sports isn’t to be the best, it’s to win based on whatever the rules are of the competition in which you’re competing. Given the way everything is setup, with dozens of teams scattered across the country and not a lot of common opponents, if my charge was to pick 4 teams to compete in a playoff to crown a champion I’m going with UW/UM/UT/FSU. That’s all I’m saying. Best vs. most deserving is just dumb semantics to me and misses the whole point.

If Bama and FSU were playing next week and my life was on the line, I’m taking Bama. And I am perfectly fine with that contradiction. It’s a bad system.

 

[jm192]

FSU clearly struggled without their QB. I think they probably get beaten badly in the CFP if they're in. Is it fair to exclude them for that? No. But I don't blame the committee for it either.

FSU was down 13-0 when Jordan Travis got hurt. With the backup QB they came out and rolled off 58 straight points. Then they won by 9 the following week in a rivalry game against an SEC team on the road at night in one of the toughest stadiums to play in.

That is the QB that would have been playing in the playoff games, not the guy who played last night (when they beat a top 15 team, btw).

Louisville is much better than Auburn and FSU with their 3rd string QB beat UL much more convincingly than Alabama did with a stroke of luck against some god awful coaching to beat a lousy Auburn team. Why aren't they punished for "winning ugly" against a significantly worth Auburn team with the same QB they'll have in the playoffs, while FSU is punished for "winning ugly" against a top 15 team with a 3rd string QB that won't be forced to play in the playoffs?

In the case of Alabama, I think it's more about being rewarded for the single best win of the year.

Florida State's upside isn't the same without Travis. I don't think that's even debatable. The 2nd string QB is better than the 3rd string QB. But the reality is, Florida State isn't going to be competitive without Travis.

You point out Bama struggling with Auburn, but gloss over the Florida game. 5-7 Florida was up 12-0. FSU took the lead for the 1st time in the 4th quarter and scored a touchdown with 2:50 to go to make it a 9 point lead. That was an ugly win against a team with a worse record.

You give FSU credit for going to Florida and winning in a tough environment on the road. But you ignore the fact that Bama went on the road in a fairly tough place to play. You're giving Florida credit for a rivalry game vs Florida but not giving Alabama the same credit for a rivalry game vs Auburn.

FSU will get to play a Georgia team that Alabama just beat. They'll have a chance to prove how they would have faired. I doubt it will go well.

 

[Moe.]

I put a ****load of money on Oregon Friday night and was supremely confident going into it. Nobody knows what’s going to happen in sports. I don’t find those kinds of arguments (who we think would win in hypothetical matchups) to be very compelling

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

I've always said I think college football has the method of declaring a champion that is the least fair, but the most accurate.

That is, I think the best team wins the championship in college football more than any other sport. You don't have a mediocre team getting hot at just the right time or the best team having to go 4 straight weeks without just having a bad day like in other sports.

I've always thought 6-8 teams was the perfect amount. I'm bummed that we're jumping from 4 all the way to 12. We are going to have 3 loss teams with a chance to win the national championship some years.

 

[Moe.]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

Yeah the 12-team makes a lot of sense. As I understand, it alleviates key concerns:
1. P5 conference champs get in
2. Highest G5 champ is in
3. Fill in the other 6 with the 6 remaining highest ranked teams

We'll have just as much fun arguing 10-15 for the final couple spots, and all the teams that really should be considered likely to win will be in.

You can bet your *** I’d be losing my mind in here if they put friggin Mizzou in over OU. We’ll still get to have mindless arguments everyone, I promise! It’ll be fun

 

[timschochet]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I hate that Ohio St is playing Missouri instead of Oregon.

 

[Moe.]

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

I've always said I think college football has the method of declaring a champion that is the least fair, but the most accurate.

That is, I think the best team wins the championship in college football more than any other sport. You don't have a mediocre team getting hot at just the right time or the best team having to go 4 straight weeks without just having a bad day like in other sports.

I've always thought 6-8 teams was the perfect amount. 6, really. I'm bummed that we're jumping from 4 all the way to 12. We are going to have 3 loss teams with a chance to win the national championship some years.

You’re saying this like perfect round-robin systems don’t exist - if you mean sports in America then sure. I would still disagree and say the NBA is “more accurate” in terms of the argument you’re making but that has a lot to do with the nature of the sport itself. Football is more random

 

[Phil Elliott]

If only they could use unbiased computer rankings. Oh wait...

 

[timschochet]

As for FSU I think they deserve to be there but not over Alabama. They deserve to be there over Texas.

 

[AAABatteries]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

I honestly don’t have a problem with them using whatever justification they want to pick whichever teams make the most sense. I always thought it was dumb that people wanted them to uphold a certain set of criteria, the whole point of a committee is that they aren’t beholden to that kind of crap because each year is different. I just think they made the wrong choice this year.

Just to make sure I understand you perspective - you think FSU was one of the four most deserving and best teams? Totally fair if you do, just trying to understand your position.

You’re probably not gonna be happy with my answer here but best is just such a weird adjective to me in the context of this discussion. The goal of sports isn’t to be the best, it’s to win based on whatever the rules are of the competition in which you’re competing. Given the way everything is setup, with dozens of teams scattered across the country and not a lot of common opponents, if my charge was to pick 4 teams to compete in a playoff to crown a champion I’m going with UW/UM/UT/FSU. That’s all I’m saying. Best vs. most deserving is just dumb semantics to me and misses the whole point.

If Bama and FSU were playing next week and my life was on the line, I’m taking Bama. And I am perfectly fine with that contradiction. It’s a bad system.

I have no problem with your take - I just know the committee said they are trying to get the four best. I don’t think they did but not because they left out FSU but because they left out Georgia.

Also, I honestly have no clue what the committees charter or rules or whatever actually say - I’m just taking folks word for it.

 

[timschochet]

For me:
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Florida State
4. Alabama

Alabama is the best 1 loss team.

 

[timschochet]

For me:
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Florida State
4. Alabama

Alabama is the best 1 loss team.

5. Georgia
6. Ohio State
7. Tie: Oregon and Texas

 

[Moe.]

@FreeBaGeL I also think part of the reason you think that is because the teams don’t have to prove it on the field, so we just don’t know any better. There haven’t been a ton but we’ve seen upsets. I think back to the year we had to watch a Bama-LSU rematch in the title game. Oklahoma State for sure could have beaten either team that year, but they weren’t given the opportunity because their field goal kicker missed an easy one in Ames. Once we start to challenge those assumptions with deeper brackets I think weird stuff will start happening.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

I think the FCS playoffs are a great system and have no problem with that. A 12 team football bracket will probably be fun in some ways, but I also think we have to agree the tradition and magic of college football is pretty much gone at that point. Things like conference championships and new years day bowl games are pretty much already a thing of the past and will have even less meaning next year. We could easily get 6 or 7 boring games and then a final like last year where a team lost by almost 60 points. I also think there will always be unintended consequences of changes like this that are hard for us to predict. For example, we've just seen an undefeated FSU left out of the playoff because their quarterback is injured. Imagine this year if Oregon and LSU are trying to make a 12 team tournament but everyone knows Daniels and Nix are not going to play? The issues we see as massive problems today will surely be replaced with similar problems when they go to 12, 32, etc.

 

[AAABatteries]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

Yeah the 12-team makes a lot of sense. As I understand, it alleviates key concerns:
1. P5 conference champs get in
2. Highest G5 champ is in
3. Fill in the other 6 with the 6 remaining highest ranked teams

We'll have just as much fun arguing 10-15 for the final couple spots, and all the teams that really should be considered likely to win will be in.

You can bet your *** I’d be losing my mind in here if they put friggin Mizzou in over OU. We’ll still get to have mindless arguments everyone, I promise! It’ll be fun

We’ll have the arguments but most won’t care - nobody thinks Oklahoma would win a playoff this year. Maybe NIL will change things but as of now it feels like this year was an outlier in that there’s maybe 8 teams that could win it.