Hankmoody
Footballguy
This is the Raider thread bro, where are you getting fantasy talk from?
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought this was a fantasy football forum with a Raiders thread to talk fantasy football?
Chaka
Footballguy
I'd rather they miss with a Rosen than a Cutler, though.
At least with a Rosen miss you know to cut bait a whole lot sooner.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
2nd round?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Nope. Magic football forum. Raider thread where we cry and play GM/coach.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
And in terms of NFL draft I already stated that yes, I'd be willing for the Raiders to spend a "high" pick on him. Probably not 1.07 but if we can trade down and pick up some equity and still take the shot at him I'd love it.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
If he lasts that long I would be estatic to take roll the dice on him. It's the NFL though, and QB are too premium I think for someone of his profile and upside to last that long. I think pre-draft can only move him up. We've seen the bad, everyone knows the downside risk, but man that profile/upside is too tempting to pass in the late 20's for NFL teams.
massraider
Footballguy
Sure. We know for sure he'll be there in the 2nd?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
This thread should be full of joy and celebration during it's lifespan.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think that is their target for sure. Does he want it? We shall see. Ready to win now teams that need a QB are somewhat slim and then you have the McD connection. He can go back to the system he has been comfortable with and won with for the last century.Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
By just about every account, the driving force behind the Raiders interest in Brady is team owner Mark Davis. He has wanted Brady since 2020 and it sounds like next year it could realistically happen.
Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
Tom Brady is right now preparing for the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but the conversation in Las Vegas is more about where he’s going to play next year. And with each passing week, it s…www.raidersbeat.com
Chaka
Footballguy
Are you suggesting the Raiders are ready to win now?I think that is their target for sure. Does he want it? We shall see. Ready to win now teams that need a QB are somewhat slim and then you have the McD connection. He can go back to the system he has been comfortable with and won with for the last century.Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
By just about every account, the driving force behind the Raiders interest in Brady is team owner Mark Davis. He has wanted Brady since 2020 and it sounds like next year it could realistically happen.
Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
Tom Brady is right now preparing for the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but the conversation in Las Vegas is more about where he’s going to play next year. And with each passing week, it s…
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Don’t they suck defensively? I don’t see Tom Brady helping thatAre you suggesting the Raiders are ready to win now?I think that is their target for sure. Does he want it? We shall see. Ready to win now teams that need a QB are somewhat slim and then you have the McD connection. He can go back to the system he has been comfortable with and won with for the last century.Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
By just about every account, the driving force behind the Raiders interest in Brady is team owner Mark Davis. He has wanted Brady since 2020 and it sounds like next year it could realistically happen.
Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
Tom Brady is right now preparing for the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but the conversation in Las Vegas is more about where he’s going to play next year. And with each passing week, it s…
Chadstroma
Footballguy
ZADO
Footballguy
Why cant they shore up the defense with FA and the draft?Don’t they suck defensively? I don’t see Tom Brady helping thatAre you suggesting the Raiders are ready to win now?I think that is their target for sure. Does he want it? We shall see. Ready to win now teams that need a QB are somewhat slim and then you have the McD connection. He can go back to the system he has been comfortable with and won with for the last century.Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
By just about every account, the driving force behind the Raiders interest in Brady is team owner Mark Davis. He has wanted Brady since 2020 and it sounds like next year it could realistically happen.
Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
Tom Brady is right now preparing for the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but the conversation in Las Vegas is more about where he’s going to play next year. And with each passing week, it s…
They have some really good defensive players to build around
JohnnyU
Footballguy
They can, but I’m not sure Brady is game.Why cant they shore up the defense with FA and the draft?Don’t they suck defensively? I don’t see Tom Brady helping thatAre you suggesting the Raiders are ready to win now?I think that is their target for sure. Does he want it? We shall see. Ready to win now teams that need a QB are somewhat slim and then you have the McD connection. He can go back to the system he has been comfortable with and won with for the last century.Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
By just about every account, the driving force behind the Raiders interest in Brady is team owner Mark Davis. He has wanted Brady since 2020 and it sounds like next year it could realistically happen.
Report Seems to Indicate that the Raiders Have Settled on Tom Brady as their QB Target for Next Year
Tom Brady is right now preparing for the playoffs with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but the conversation in Las Vegas is more about where he’s going to play next year. And with each passing week, it s…
They have some really good defensive players to build around
joey
Footballguy
to make us feel worse is when teams like the 9ers and Dolphins roll out 3rd string QBs and play great in the playoffs. We suck.
ETA: ok, Skylar Thompson didnt play great, per se, but still, our team with all those offensive weapons and our 9 year vet solid QB are playing golf this weekend. So frustrating.
Hopefully we are still alive to see that day
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
it does suck to see various former raider oline men starting on playoff teams. and man, a mobile qb is fun to watch.
ZADO
Footballguy
(praying)
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Not me. I don’t think he’s coming. And if he does, there’s plenty of tape on Brady.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Not me. I still hope he’s not coming. I’m hoping the Raiders build a young team over 2-3 years that can be competitive for years and quit trying to put old bandaids on big holes. The Raiders need to follow the methods of the Jags, Lions, Bengals, Giants, Chiefs, Cowboys and break out of their 70s thinking that old players are the answer. It’s time for this team to try something new since the old way hasn’t worked for decades.
Chaka
Footballguy
I was happy with the McDaniels/Ziegler signing, still am... mostly, but Daboll was my first choice.
Watching the Giants this season convinces me he is the kind of coach who identifies the strengths of his players and modifies the system to maximize their production. Unlike McDaniels who seems locked into his system trying to hammer square pegs into the round hole.
Frustrating.
The Giants are probably going to franchise Daniel Jones and try to sign him long term. And playing against the Vikings defense probably makes most QBs look like HoFers, but man it would be nice to have a truly mobile QB who can also throw.
Jones is no Mahomes but he has top notch athleticism and seems to make good decisions when he has quality coaching.
ETA: #### Brady.
Watching the Giants this season convinces me he is the kind of coach who identifies the strengths of his players and modifies the system to maximize their production. Unlike McDaniels who seems locked into his system trying to hammer square pegs into the round hole.
Frustrating.
The Giants are probably going to franchise Daniel Jones and try to sign him long term. And playing against the Vikings defense probably makes most QBs look like HoFers, but man it would be nice to have a truly mobile QB who can also throw.
Jones is no Mahomes but he has top notch athleticism and seems to make good decisions when he has quality coaching.
ETA: #### Brady.
ICON211
Footballguy
I also thought Daboll was the top guy last cycle. I was good with the McDaniels hire, but after he was hired I was hoping for Martindale for DC. Giants did a great job with their whole coaching staff. I give them a decent shot next week because they won't lose because they were outcoached or because their game plan sucked.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I don't agree with this at all. New England constantly adapted their offense to fit the weapons they had:
2006 pound away with Dillon/Maroney, spread around a terrible WR corp, trust the D
2007-8 bombs away to Moss, redefining slot WR in the NFL with Welker/Edelman and went 11-5 with Matt freaking Cassel at QB.
2009 Tebowmania, won a playoff game!
2010 turned Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd into a thing - Lloyd had 1400 yards, and never over 750 again in his career
2011 lost year with Rams but no one could fix Bradford
2012 He didn't create the two TE monster but rolled with it when he returned to NEP
2013-15 Feature TE passing game with full-on RBBC support
2016 back to pounding with Blount, slot WR/TE feature
I'll stop now
No I won't
2017 back to full JAG RBBC and feed Gronk/Cooks
2018 more JAG RRBC, full spread out the pass targets and James White nearly becomes a feature weapon
Ok now I'll stop
McD has been one of the premiere system minds of this era. He invented the slot WR era and made stars/borderline HOF/borderline stars out of guys that 10 year prior would have been one-and-done after rookie contracts. I mean he won a playoff game with Tim freaking Tebow at QB. The same QB that got run out of the position what, one year later?
He's definitely not pounding pegs. If anything he's looking for rounder pegs than Carr is/can be. I think McD is just a cold-blooded chameleon and he doesn't care who it is, he'll figure it out. Sounds like Davis is more behind this than anything else. This is one of the reasons I was most excited about getting McD because if he doesn't implode the team like he did in DEN he's one of the most adaptive/dynamic offensive forces we've seen recently. If Carr gets any decent support from the D we go 10-7 or better so McD showed he can work with him just fine.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Martingdale was my first choice for DC and tgen we got Graham and he win me over... now... maybe Graham is more suzzle than steak. The difference in the Giant defense is impressive. Hopefully Graham just needs more talent.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought Wink Martindale was a game show host?
joey
Footballguy
I will be watching closely to hopefully see Brady embarrassed and knocked out of the playoffs.
And then we’ll sign him and I’ll have to grin and bear it, til that plan inevitably fails and we start yet again.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Looks old and not so good so far.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Please no. We will go from below average to embarrassing. Then again......I do like losing pointless games for draft capital.
Major
Footballguy
Agreed. The situation reminds me of when Peyton Manning wanted to go to the Texans orginally (instead of Denver) but Kubiak nixed the idea because Schaub was their guy. After a few years and a championship later when Manning was clearly washed up, the Texans entertained the idea again. Never good to be compared to the Texans.
Chaka
Footballguy
Death spasm.i see some signs of life
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Per Hondo... "though the average fan will have no idea, Carr spent significant time over his years calming players and dealing with what some saw as organization's dysfunction."
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Pretty sure that we can all agree Carr is a great guy but QBs are going to get blamed for losing records right after the HC. Carr has been a good but not great QB. Will be interesting to see how he does for another team.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
the offseason and preseason have the same motto: "This year is our yeari see some signs of life
" it's the regular season that is 
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
This is not news. Carr is a great guy. Time to move on.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
What I find most interesting about that comment is how will the new income starter do around this? Hopefully Sandra solidifies the front office to be professional and drama free... she strikes me as someone who is up to the challenge but usually organizations do not change over night. Is it a place for a rookie to come in and thrive in? How will brining in a vet who may be use to things being done one way and then coming to the Raiders react?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Raiders' GM Ziegler on Beginning Year Two with Team
After a disappointing season, Dave Ziegler has work to do with the Las Vegas Raiders.
www.si.com
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Focusing on the wrong part.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My hope is that mcZ and co are bringing stability. Gruden was a clown. The parade of garbage before that was obviously dysfunctional i really want to believe that McZ is.running a tight ship. It actually would make the Carr stuff make even more sense, if he was interfering with their management of the team. Since he was one of the calming, centering leaders. Players might have been looking to Carr, rather than McZ.
Since all they’ve known is crap. aawtfdik
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Nah, don’t think so. The organizations dysfunction ain’t news either.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
That article was impressively vague.Raiders' GM Ziegler on Beginning Year Two with Team
After a disappointing season, Dave Ziegler has work to do with the Las Vegas Raiders.
ICON211
Footballguy
Ha. The Raiders GM wants the team to stay good where they are already are and improve where they are not. Just the typical article you would expect to see after the season from someone that covers the team. Lots of typical GM speak and it was ok just to hear his thoughts directly from him.That article was impressively vague.Raiders' GM Ziegler on Beginning Year Two with Team
After a disappointing season, Dave Ziegler has work to do with the Las Vegas Raiders.
Here is the title of an article on espn today that did not need to be written and was just done to take up space:
"Bengals owner wants to keep Burrow for long haul"
joey
Footballguy
I also read that Buffalo is finally noticing that this Josh Allen kid might be good enough to be in their long term plans.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
So.... I may or may not have posted it before actually reading it. I will neither confirm or deny. I didn't realize SI has turned into a clickbait churning operation.Ha. The Raiders GM wants the team to stay good where they are already are and improve where they are not. Just the typical article you would expect to see after the season from someone that covers the team. Lots of typical GM speak and it was ok just to hear his thoughts directly from him.That article was impressively vague.Raiders' GM Ziegler on Beginning Year Two with Team
After a disappointing season, Dave Ziegler has work to do with the Las Vegas Raiders.
Here is the title of an article on espn today that did not need to be written and was just done to take up space:
"Bengals owner wants to keep Burrow for long haul"
Chadstroma
Footballguy
After that Bucs game.... is there anyone here that is going to say they want Brady?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
There will be more than one Raider fan that wants Brady based on his past incredible success. The Dallas game showcased Brady’s limitations as an old man that has lost his mobility as a QB. With an all-Pro O line and great receivers Brady could still play well due to his great football IQ and quick decision making abilities. Few teams can offer enough supporting cast for Brady to succeed and the Raiders don’t come close.
