Darn tootin'. Great games from a close/exciting perspective.best playoffs in years!
I'm not going to pretend to know anything about Joe Judge but I would not be happy if the Jets hired him - I may actually prefer Gase.wow watching the Giants flub their GM/coach search looks eerily similar
Well I'm pretty glad the Jets got something for this guy.SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports impending free agent DL Leonard Williams is seeking $15 million annually.
The Giants have been expected to re-sign Williams since giving up multiple picks for him at the trade deadline. Williams made $14.2 million last season and isn't going to be taking less than that as a 25-year-old free agent. The Giants have more than $60 million in cap space, so money shouldn't be an issue. It's possible Williams could be a transition tagged if a long-term deal isn't reached, which would pay him roughly $13 million.
I'd keep Avery Williams - he's a great run stopper and would make the Jets a force up the middle at a relative cheap price-tag. The rest I agree with.I saw that - he's not worth anything close to that.....a rare win for the Jets on a trade. Boring Feb - let's see some off season plans from our crew!
As we get closer to FA I'm starting to hope it breaks as follows:
Cuts with savings - Tru ($3M), Avery ($4.5M), Enunwa ($2.5), Winters ($7.2M), Bellamy ($2.2M) - total savings $19.5M + $50M space = just under $70M - figure with draft picks and season buffer it gives them about $55M to spend.
FA - 1 stud and 1 very good OL signed ($25M between 2 players) - its that important!
Let Robbie go if he wants over $10M yr
Extend Adams ($15M yr) - adds $7.5M to cap number
Re-sign Poole - $8M yr
depth signings for balance - $14.5M spread around
Draft
If they do the above then the WR position is putrid and hopefully on of Jeudy or Lamb is there at 11 to give Sam a weapon...if not then grab another stud OL and a WR in the 2d rd....id even be ok with packaging both 3rds to move up into the 2d again for another solid WR....
Theme is the defense is going to have to wait a year - thats more of a vote of confidence to GWill than the talent....#1 priority is to protect Sam....and #1A start giving him weapons....unfortunately this likely cant be built in a yr but 2021 is looking like another good cap space year (perks of drafting like crap) with getting out of a few more big contracts like Bell and Anderson....Sam would likely need to be extended but still looking at good space.
All in all if Joe D is the real deal it lines up as next year be competitive and make a push for playoffs....2021 is the year to go for it. Pats should be Brady free for sure by then so AFC East should be up for grabs 1st time in 20 yrs!
It's amazing what deep threats receive in value compared to possession receivers. They were talking about Sammy Watkins the other day and how his contract is exorbitant compared to his production (even though they were discussing in regard to him being cut, but cautioning that a higher-end renegotiation might not be out of bounds). Simply, he's a field stretcher, and one that can competently run the route tree is what teams want schematically, so there you go.Dr. Octopus said:(I have a feeling Robbie Anderson is gone, as he'll be too expensive for what he brings).
Not worth his cost, especially coming off the injury. $8.5 million cap hit is way too much considering how much we are paying Mosley and considering that we have cheap replacements (Cashman, Hewitt, Burgess) at a slight drop in performance. We don't need that much money tied up on non-critical positions like ILB. Cutting him saves $6.5m in cap space which we'll need to upgrade o-line, WRs, CBs, edge or whatever else.Dr. Octopus said:I'd keep Avery Williams - he's a great run stopper and would make the Jets a force up the middle at a relative cheap price-tag. The rest I agree with.
The #11 pick needs to be an OT or Jeudy/Lamb (I have a feeling Robbie Anderson is gone, as he'll be too expensive for what he brings).
Grab 2 O-line in free agency. They will need 2 CBs. Not sure if they will spend on edge. Only so much money to go around.Kiddnets said:I saw that - he's not worth anything close to that.....a rare win for the Jets on a trade. Boring Feb - let's see some off season plans from our crew!
As we get closer to FA I'm starting to hope it breaks as follows:
Cuts with savings - Tru ($3M), Avery ($4.5M), Enunwa ($2.5), Winters ($7.2M), Bellamy ($2.2M) - total savings $19.5M + $50M space = just under $70M - figure with draft picks and season buffer it gives them about $55M to spend.
FA - 1 stud and 1 very good OL signed ($25M between 2 players) - its that important!
Let Robbie go if he wants over $10M yr
Extend Adams ($15M yr) - adds $7.5M to cap number
Re-sign Poole - $8M yr
depth signings for balance - $14.5M spread around
Draft
If they do the above then the WR position is putrid and hopefully on of Jeudy or Lamb is there at 11 to give Sam a weapon...if not then grab another stud OL and a WR in the 2d rd....id even be ok with packaging both 3rds to move up into the 2d again for another solid WR....
Theme is the defense is going to have to wait a year - thats more of a vote of confidence to GWill than the talent....#1 priority is to protect Sam....and #1A start giving him weapons....unfortunately this likely cant be built in a yr but 2021 is looking like another good cap space year (perks of drafting like crap) with getting out of a few more big contracts like Bell and Anderson....Sam would likely need to be extended but still looking at good space.
All in all if Joe D is the real deal it lines up as next year be competitive and make a push for playoffs....2021 is the year to go for it. Pats should be Brady free for sure by then so AFC East should be up for grabs 1st time in 20 yrs!
I thought his cap savings was only $4.5MM. I’d still keep him but I see your point and wouldn’t be that upset if he goes.Not worth his cost, especially coming off the injury. $8.5 million cap hit is way too much considering how much we are paying Mosley and considering that we have cheap replacements (Cashman, Hewitt, Burgess) at a slight drop in performance. We don't need that much money tied up on non-critical positions like ILB. Cutting him saves $6.5m in cap space which we'll need to upgrade o-line, WRs, CBs, edge or whatever else.
Another one of McCant's problems is not only did he do a poor job of assembling talent, he overpaid at less than important positions. Nothing like spending on DTs and Safeties. If Adams gets a new deal, that's another $17m a year tied up on non-critical positions (plus Bell's money at RB). Will we ever get an o-line or edge rusher? Hopefully JD knows how to build a team considering his background on successful organizations. You have to protect your QB and rush the QB, not overpay for run-stuffers.
He has a salary of $6.5 m (non-guaranteed this year) and a bonus cap hit of $2m. So the savings would be the $6.5m.I thought his cap savings was only $4.5MM. I’d still keep him but I see your point and wouldn’t be that upset if he goes.
Tony Pauline said today that we are all-in on Jack Conklin. If we can't land him, then H Vaitai (Philly) is our back-up plan.I would like to see 2 OT and 1 WR in first 3 picks... preferably get that Blind Side Left Tackle with Pick 1
Absolutely incredible episode.If you guys have HBO, you have to watch this week's Curb Your Enthusiasm. If you don't know, Larry David is a big Jets fan and this episode is about how they always disappoint their fans. In this episode, the Jets killed Carl, Larry's golf buddy.
I'll give you the credit for the latest thread subtitle.If you guys have HBO, you have to watch this week's Curb Your Enthusiasm. If you don't know, Larry David is a big Jets fan and this episode is about how they always disappoint their fans. In this episode, the Jets killed Carl, Larry's golf buddy.
PFT's Mike Florio reports free agent RT Jack Conklin is expected to sign with the Jets.
This comes after combine reports the Jets are high on Conklin. The Jets need starters at both tackle spots with Kelvin Beachum and Brandon Shell free agents. Adding Conklin would give them a cornerstone to build around on an offensive line that was one of the worst in the league. Conklin could top the $18 million AAV Lane Johnson got from the Eagles last season.
Alrighty then. I'd feel a little better if the stories were being reported oppositely (meaning I trust Schefter more) but I have no idea how anyone would really know anything at this point.ESPN's Adam Schefter reports impending free agent RT Jack Conklin is not expected to sign with the Jets.
This refutes Mike Florio's earlier report that Conklin was expected to land with New York. The Jets are obviously desperate for help in their trenches since both Kelvin Beachum and Brandon Shell are likely to walk in free agency, but Conklin's spurning moves the organization back to square one. The Browns have also been linked to the 25-year-old this offseason.
I don't post on there too much even though I've been a member for 15-20 years. Just occasionally on the game thread and reply to Maximus who posts here. Once in a blue moon I post on a player or roster thread.Absolutely incredible episode.
BTW, been lurking around the HF Rag boards last few weeks (as I've tended to last few deadlines) - caught a few of your posts on there. Man, IDK how you can engage with some of those dumbdumbs.
How bad did Vesey screw the pooch not signing with Nashville?I don't post on there too much even though I've been a member for 15-20 years. Just occasionally on the game thread and reply to Maximus who posts here. Once in a blue moon I post on a player or roster thread.
To be honest though, I'm not interested in online debates with those guys. I might make a rare opinion, but I almost never reply back. Most of those guys have never played or just look at the game from the perspective of advanced stats. A lot of them post opinions as if they are facts and just repeat the same argument over and over. It's frustrating.
Hockey is the one sport I know like the back of my hand. I do really well in fantasy sports, but I would never go on here and breakdown the x's and o's of football. Hockey is another story. I played from like age 4 until my late 40s. I was coached and later did some coaching myself. I did some amateur scouting and worked for a minor league team (and also covered that team for a newspaper) - all as secondary jobs while I did my Finance career.
Well with the Rangers season suddenly falling apart, it's time to focus on the Jets free agency and the draft. The Jets will be in an interesting spot if the top tackles are gone before our pick. Before we get there though, we have to see how we address the o-line in free agency. We should start seeing some cuts coming soon.
On the positive side, at least he didn’t shoot himself in the leg with it.At approximately 9:15pm, #Jets DE Quinnen Williams was trying to board his flight at LaGuardia Airport when he was arrested for Criminal Possession of a Weapon (his permit is in Alabama). He’s currently being processed by PAPD, the PAPD tells
Same, lurked forever, never post, but have been there long enough to remember when RGY was like...6 years old posting on there? Awesome game last night, fortunately was there for it - don't go to too many regular season games.I don't post on there too much even though I've been a member for 15-20 years. Just occasionally on the game thread and reply to Maximus who posts here. Once in a blue moon I post on a player or roster thread.
To be honest though, I'm not interested in online debates with those guys. I might make a rare opinion, but I almost never reply back. Most of those guys have never played or just look at the game from the perspective of advanced stats. A lot of them post opinions as if they are facts and just repeat the same argument over and over. It's frustrating.
Hockey is the one sport I know like the back of my hand. I do really well in fantasy sports, but I would never go on here and breakdown the x's and o's of football. Hockey is another story. I played from like age 4 until my late 40s. I was coached and later did some coaching myself. I did some amateur scouting and worked for a minor league team (and also covered that team for a newspaper) - all as secondary jobs while I did my Finance career.
Well with the Rangers season suddenly falling apart, it's time to focus on the Jets free agency and the draft. The Jets will be in an interesting spot if the top tackles are gone before our pick. Before we get there though, we have to see how we address the o-line in free agency. We should start seeing some cuts coming soon.
The 22-year-old's criminal charges are similar to the case former Buccaneers DE Da’Quan Bowers faced when carrying a loaded gun at LaGuardia in 2013; he later pled guilty to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct that carried no jail time.
The Jets are working on their player manuals, but it might take some time. They had revised their driving section after all those DUIs and Sheldon trying to outrun the cops, but then had to do further research on the nut in the cop's wife's eye section thanks to Anderson. Eventually they will get around to guns, but first must address assaulting girls at music festivals, assault at night clubs, getting mono from strippers, and eating hot dogs on the sideline.I'm sure the excuse is gonna be that he forgot it was in his bag.
But yeah....how dumb do you have to be.
Id like to think the jets cover NY's extremely strict gun laws with the entire team every year (especially rookies who grew up in the South) but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
it hard to believe this is only 1 team within 10 yr span.....dont forget your starting QB getting his jaw broken in the locker room by a teammate!The Jets are working on their player manuals, but it might take some time. They had revised their driving section after all those DUIs and Sheldon trying to outrun the cops, but then had to do further research on the nut in the cop's wife's eye section thanks to Anderson. Eventually they will get around to guns, but first must address assaulting girls at music festivals, assault at night clubs, getting mono from strippers, and eating hot dogs on the sideline.
Good one!Kiddnets said:it hard to believe this is only 1 team within 10 yr span.....dont forget your starting QB getting his jaw broken in the locker room by a teammate!
That seems like a loophole that should have been addressed by the Jets in the first place and a cheesy move by the Giants but as you said, I’ll take it anyway.Brian Stevens of SNY NY says that the Giants have reached a deal with Leonard WIlliams, but won't officially sign until after FA starts so that we get a 5th round pick instead of a 4th next year. Nice shenanigans. Still, a third and a 5th is great value for that underachiever.
It’s surely a terrible ROI if you’re looking at just draft capital. If you look at it like Williams was already a sunk cost at that point, and getting a third and fifth for a guy you would just have let walk this offseason it’s not bad.What a disappointment with Williams, too. You've essentially flipped a fifth overall for the 3.04 and 5.04 (or somewhere around there depending upon compensatory picks). I know you'd have to re-sign anybody you picked that year, but it seems like an awfully small ROI for Williams's draft capital.
Very true. I'm grousing about Maccagnan's tenure, really. To get something for someone who might have walked is a bit of a boon.It’s surely a terrible ROI if you’re looking at just draft capital. If you look at it like Williams was already a sunk cost at that point, and getting a third and fifth for a guy you would just have let walk this offseason it’s not bad.
It definitely shows Mac’s downside. I mean it’s a losing proposition for any team to gain 3rd and 5th Round value for players they took with fifth overall picks.Very true. I'm grousing about Maccagnan's tenure, really. To get something for someone who might have walked is a bit of a boon.
That's a 2021 pick, so who knows where it ends up. They should be a better team next year, so it will be lower.What a disappointment with Williams, too. You've essentially flipped a fifth overall for the 3.04 and 5.04 (or somewhere around there depending upon compensatory picks). I know you'd have to re-sign anybody you picked that year, but it seems like an awfully small ROI for Williams's draft capital.
Oh, that's why none of the draft orders had the Jets acquiring the fifth-round pick from the Giants. I thought it was because of the waiting game the Giants were playing.That's a 2021 pick, so who knows where it ends up. They should be a better team next year, so it will be lower.
I think that you have to look at it from a depreciable asset perspective. They got 4.5 years out of him (I think). So what's he worth after that, especially for a big contract for a guy that doesn't produce much and whose best attribute is to potentially free up other players to make plays. I'm not a big fan obviously, so you can definitely say that they got good value out of him. The Giants paid the cost of a used BMW for a used Pinto (or for you younger guys, a Sentra). Gettleman could have signed him for free this year.It’s surely a terrible ROI if you’re looking at just draft capital. If you look at it like Williams was already a sunk cost at that point, and getting a third and fifth for a guy you would just have let walk this offseason it’s not bad.
Yeah, it's two separate things. The value they received as a player for the 5th overall in the draft was pretty bad. Not the dominant player you would expect to draft that high, but it wasn't Gholston either. He had some value as an ok run-defender if you just ignore where he was drafted.It definitely shows Mac’s downside. I mean it’s a losing proposition for any team to gain 3rd and 5th Round value for players they took with fifth overall picks.
ETA: “gain” was probably not the correct word to use there
No shock, but Trumaine Johnson to be cut. A lot of dead money, but saves $3m. Good riddance thief!
Agreed. Good riddance.Jets released CB Trumaine Johnson.
The Jets save $3 million from Johnson's release but will eat $12 million in dead money. Signed to a five-year deal in 2018, Johnson never came close to living up to his contract before getting benched last season. The Jets will move forward with Darryl Roberts, Blessuan Austin, and Arthur Maulet, but are expected to be aggressive in free agency. They've been linked to Byron Jones and James Bradberry.
Interesting but I’m not sure which would be the better approach. I think they have a much better chance of truly competing in 2021 than 2020 so not sure you want $8MM in dead money then. I guess they should worry about next year next year and go for it though.Not a lot of good news these days, but at least there is this: with the new CBA, we can now spread Trumaine Johnson's dead cap space to $4m this year and $8m next year instead of the full $12m this year.