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WHAT A FREAKING HAUL FOR THIS GUY
YES I'M YELLING
#### YEAH GOODBYE ASSET YOU GOT US A BOATLOAD OF ASSETS COMING
YES I'M YELLING
#### YEAH GOODBYE ASSET YOU GOT US A BOATLOAD OF ASSETS COMING
Agreed. This is why the Jets never sustain any kind of winning. You draft a guy with the hopes that he turns into a stud, which Adams did, and instead of keeping him happy, they pissed him off and eventually had to trade him for draft picks to where the odds of drafting a guy as good at him again are remote. More brilliance from the Jets. Props to them for getting that much in a trade for a safety, but true studs in the NFL are rare, and they just lost one.That’s way more than I would give up for a safety no matter how good, but at the same time, you don’t build a solid franchise if you get forced into trading away young stud players. They got more than I thought they would in a bad situation, but they need to figure out how to get young talent to want to stay there. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter how many high draft picks they have or how many they hit on.
Not really even close. About as right about your take on punk rock. He's a stud at safety. The Jets just traded away an non-scarce option (a run stopping safety. Ooooooh.) for a shot at hitting at scarcity. You can't pay for that in the NFL.Agreed. This is why the Jets never sustain any kind of winning. You draft a guy with the hopes that the turns into a stud, which Adams did, and instead of keeping him happy, they pissed him off and eventually had to trade him for draft picks to where the odds of drafting a guy as good at him again are remote. More brilliance from the Jets. Props to them for getting that much in a trade for a safety, but true studs in the NFL are rare, and they just lost one.
So much wrong here.Agreed. This is why the Jets never sustain any kind of winning. You draft a guy with the hopes that he turns into a stud, which Adams did, and instead of keeping him happy, they pissed him off and eventually had to trade him for draft picks to where the odds of drafting a guy as good at him again are remote. More brilliance from the Jets. Props to them for getting that much in a trade for a safety, but true studs in the NFL are rare, and they just lost one.
Bad in the 1st roundWas Jon Schneider ever a good GM or did he just get really lucky for a draft or two?
i agree with you that teams need top players to win....the jets lost a top player....but at a position of least impact....who wanted top defensive player money and showed his true colors the last few months.....ill take the hail they got in a second!Agreed. This is why the Jets never sustain any kind of winning. You draft a guy with the hopes that he turns into a stud, which Adams did, and instead of keeping him happy, they pissed him off and eventually had to trade him for draft u daypicks to where the odds of drafting a guy as good at him again are remote. More brilliance from the Jets. Props to them for getting that much in a trade for a safety, but true studs in the NFL are rare, and they just lost one.
Pink Floyd would like to have a word with you out back.This is like having the best prog rock band and dumping it for something listenable.
if they fired Gase at the same time they announced this deal I may have passed out of happiness!Welp to me this says Gase is out. Crazy haul.
Also, talk about a win for Adams.
Can't talk now. Radiohead is banging away at the front lock.Pink Floyd would like to have a word with you out back.
He drafted Russell Wilson late and if I'm not mistaken, brought Marshawn in, plus helped construct that defense with Carroll. That'll earn you so many points you'll coast for a decade.Was Jon Schneider ever a good GM or did he just get really lucky for a draft or two?
On the shoulders of giants...Can't talk now. Radiohead is banging away at the front lock.
Wilson was a second round pick but he was considered too short to be a legitimate starting qb. I don't know if this was before or after Miami decided on Culpepper over Brees but it was around that time so quarterback size was a big thing.He drafted Russell Wilson late and if I'm not mistaken, brought Marshawn in, plus helped construct that defense with Carroll. That'll earn you so many points you'll coast for a decade.
eta* And he's had the guts and intelligence to admit his own mistakes and let talent dictate who plays, not draft capital nor cost. That's a humble pie lesson not many GMs know of.
Unquestionably. Just a juxtaposition.On the shoulders of giants...
Yup. You're exactly right. My point is more that the second round is very late for a quarterback of any collegiate import to slip down to, leaving GMs to wonder whether they've missed something in their scouting. And it was exactly his size that did him in regarding draft position. I remember the camera set up at his house during draft day, actually. I remember his girlfriend was there and thinking something about it not lasting. Guess not. But that's neither here nor there. Schneider won an SB, should have had two, and has a lot of leeway in the Pacific NW, I'm sure.Wilson was a second round pick but he was considered too short to be a legitimate starting qb. I don't know if this was before or after Miami decided on Culpepper over Brees but it was around that time so quarterback size was a big thing.
In my profession I had choices when I graduated college. I didn't get picked by a company against my will and forced to spend several years in an obviously dysfunctional situation. I understand the NFL and most careers are completely different. I'm don't think anyone is suggesting they should be the same. Comparing a player being drafted to a team to signing a non-compete is silly. Going back to the draft isn't a real option.Imagine trying that in your profession.
What was wrong? That the Jets just lost a stud? That this kind of instability is why the Jets don't win consistently? That the odds are not good of them drafting a player of Adams' caliber with one of the draft picks? Help me out here.So much wrong here.
Considering teams knew that the Jets were likely looking to trade Adams, I definitely give their GM big props for getting so much for him.i agree with you that teams need top players to win....the jets lost a top player....but at a position of least impact....who wanted top defensive player money and showed his true colors the last few months.....ill take the hail they got in a second!
Id be the 1st one to jump on the jets for losing a stud player - but all they did was refuse to break the bank for a player who had 2 and possibly 3 yrs left on his contract....kinda the point to have a good player on a cheap contract....paying him the kind of $ he wanted and caving would have been bad for the organization and set a bad example for future.....
The fact that JD got a solid piece for this yr....2 1st rders and a move up from the 4th to the 3rd rd is simply incredible....after 1 yr he is already the best GM the Jets have had in decades!
Because what did the Jets do to piss him off, not pay him three years before they had to? He was still well paid since he was a top 6 pick.What was wrong? That the Jets just lost a stud? That this kind of instability is why the Jets don't win consistently? That the odds are not good of them drafting a player of Adams' caliber with one of the draft picks? Help me out here.
Considering teams knew that the Jets were likely looking to trade Adams, I definitely give their GM big props for getting so much for him.
Wilson was a 3rd round pick.On the shoulders of giants...
Wilson was a second round pick but he was considered too short to be a legitimate starting qb. I don't know if this was before or after Miami decided on Culpepper over Brees but it was around that time so quarterback size was a big thing.
Yeah, that's right. 75th overall, 12th pick, third round.Wilson was a 3rd round pick.
Giving up 2 first round picks seems too steep. I hope Schneider knows what he is doing. As a Seattle fan, I'm not happy.........
Third round pick. They took Bobby Wagner in the second that year. Not too often a GM nails two HOF players on back to back picks.On the shoulders of giants...
Wilson was a second round pick but he was considered too short to be a legitimate starting qb. I don't know if this was before or after Miami decided on Culpepper over Brees but it was around that time so quarterback size was a big thing.
uh......congrats?Thanks, Jets. We will continue to cheer a contending team each year with star players. At least you get to enjoy draft day. Best of luck with that.
Yeah what TLEF316 said. Hope you have an extension ready for the man. He's not going to accept not being paid. Just wait.Thanks, Jets. We will continue to cheer a contending team each year with star players. At least you get to enjoy draft day. Best of luck with that.
Last year's class looks pretty good. Collier was injured for a lot of the year, so the jury is still out there. Blair and Barton looked solid when called upon though, and Metcalf looks like a potential stud.Bad in the 1st round
Good after that--though I agree the Seahawks have had some crappy drafts lately and that is going to hurt them big in these last prime years of Wilson
Certainly couldLast year's class looks pretty good. Collier was injured for a lot of the year, so the jury is still out there. Blair and Barton looked solid when called upon though, and Metcalf looks like a potential stud.
ETA: The last 1st rounder Seattle really hit on was Earl Thomas in 2010 so maybe they are just tired of missing with top picks?
With these extra 1st rounders, I can't help but wonder if Sam Darnold's job could be in trouble if he doesn't have a breakout year. I'd feel bad for the guy, being tied to Gase and all, but assuming the Jets season goes to its likeliest path, its another season under .500, with a coaching change, in what looks to be a great QB class.
I believe they will be a good team but they are in a tough division, especially if Arizona makes a leap.In the NFL, if you don't have a qb, you have nothing.
And if you have a top 5 QB, you can get away with having basically nothing else. You won't win the whole thing, but you'll be in the playoff hunt.
Seattle will be in the mix as long as Wilson is standing. Expecting the picks to be higher than like 23 will leave you disappointed.
I think that's what everybody is really saying. PFF and ESPN tried to quantify the trade, one with win shares and the other with surplus value, and both favored the Jets' side of it. But there's a large caveat: Seattle seems to know what it's doing the past decade, especially in the secondary. Both articles noted the movement from a cover one defense to a cover two defense. Maybe they go back to cover one? Who knows? Carroll deserves some slack, though, for his previous construction of the Legion of Boom.
As another poster pointed out, the extra cap money can help enable them to sign the stud DE they need to get their defense inline with other top defenses in nfc. So this is probably a case where both teams got what they wanted in the deal. The key now is for Jets to not butt fumble by drafting $h*tty.I think that's what everybody is really saying. PFF and ESPN tried to quantify the trade, one with win shares and the other with surplus value, and both favored the Jets' side of it. But there's a large caveat: Seattle seems to know what it's doing the past decade, especially in the secondary. Both articles noted the movement from a cover one defense to a cover two defense. Maybe they go back to cover one? Who knows? Carroll deserves some slack, though, for his previous construction of the Legion of Boom.
Should be interesting to see how it all works out.
I think this is what people were saying after the Mack trade as well. Obviously it hasn't worked out for the Bears but that is probably due to Mitch more than anything. I think the Adams trade is good for both sides but it is way easier giving up those picks when you have a QB like Wilson.Just read this in a tweet. Think it’s a solid take on the situation
We often look for a winner and a loser in every trade. I think the cheesy truth is that both sides can win. Teams are in different places. The Jets aren't contenders. If I was the Jets, I would rather have two 1.20's and McDougald. If I was the Seahawks I'd rather have Adams.
http://twitter.com/grizwald87/status/1287390663898611713
I've read something similar to that. Hence why it's even more critical and crucial to have a GM who knows what the F he's doing. Even in this scenario where there wouldn't be a college football season this year, I'd still trust Douglass to make the right moves and improve the team.Not sure how to quantify it, but there is some percentage chance that an abbreviated or cancelled college football season will substantially impact the value of draft picks for 21, maybe 22 if you are seeing player who generally play 3 years lose a year of development and increased difficulty of scouting old tape
Definitely, I just didn’t see it acknowledged in the conclusion that the Jets ripped off Seattle. Teams are valuing those picks differently, which in typical markets allows arbitrage opportunity.I've read something similar to that. Hence why it's even more critical and crucial to have a GM who knows what the F he's doing. Even in this scenario where there wouldn't be a college football season this year, I'd still trust Douglass to make the right moves and improve the team.