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*** 2023 NFL Preseason Game Observations Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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crushedspirit
Footballguy
Etienne might be seeing more RZ carries until some trust is regained.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Mims Jr looking good
Its good that he's able to look after that facemask. Especially with the injury luck Broncos WRs seem to be having.
On the 1st series, Mims had like 3 steps of separation on a double move, but Stidham didn't see him and checked down.
McManus and Wilkins, union reps, and coaches talking to officials. 8:32 left.
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Game over in JAX. "Teams have elected to not continue to play. Therefore, the game is suspended." No word yet about Daewood. @rockaction
rockaction
Footballguy
Better have your fantasy football constitutions ready, SoBeDad. Thanks for the notice, by the way.
Yep. Not sure if you're aware (or even care, really) but I started a thread about it after the New England game was stopped and the announcers were asking if the players were continuing when there was a neck injury in the Jets/Tampa game.
This is becoming the new norm and I don't know when that was decided. It's awfully tough to stop the moving trains. I personally don't like it. There's too much at stake to just start calling games.
Snoopy
Footballguy
conscious and movement in extremities, sent to a hospital.
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm ungood at searches apparently would you post a link to, or bump that thread?
TIA
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Thoughts and prayers to Davis. Horrible reminder just how dangerous this sport is.
rockaction
Footballguy
Uh Oh -- Another Game Suspended Due To Serious Injury
Pats-GB tilt suspended due to an injury to Isaiah Bolden. Bolden was carted off the field on a stretcher. Reports are that Bolden has feeling in his extremities. So. . .the slippery slope started in Buffalo and its specter looms large over the game.
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Truebluey
Footballguy
But I think it speaks to the psychology of the players. The stake, the importance of the game, is not a major consideration.
rockaction
Footballguy
I meant the stakes in the ancillary industry that is dependent on the outcome of the game being complete and the perception that the outcome is a fair one. In other words, all the gambling money that the NFL has decided to partner with has a huge stake in the game now. The importance of the game and its W/L outcome is not the important part that I'm getting at here.
And if the players don't care how the general public feels and how the moneyed interests (the corporate sponsors and others) feel about what's important, then the gravy train stops for them, too. Football isn't any bigger than the public's willingness to buy it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Watson had a 115.4 QB ranking, but you say he looked REALLY BAD.
Mmmkay.
Chaka
Footballguy
5-10-92 with one TD, one fumble and one rush yard on three attempts.
The QB ranking formula seems out of whack.
No one should be entirely discouraged about Watson & the Browns but they haven't done anything to encourage anyone either.
The so-called fumbles were on hand-offs, which I thought were on the RBs. The TD pass to Njoku was perfect. TBD but I think Watson is back.
Weebs210
Footballguy
If you looked at one more post before foaming at the mouth you could see I said his next drives looked better. I still want nothing to do with him.
Watson with perfect ball placement on the TD to Njoku.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Why are multiple people calling it QB ranking in succession like it's just a normal thing to say?
Watch a highlight reel of Mims in college and you'll see him wide open on almost every play. I remember seeing a stat that he beats man coverage almost 100% of the time.
Chaka
Footballguy
.38, .39 whatever it takes.
My problem with Watson is that there will probably be 2 or3 horrific weather games this year that will limit his scoring.
This reminds me of last year when people faded Locket and Metcalf because they had no faith in Geno.
The Broncos looked like a well coached team last night.
Stidham (QB) looked fantastic.
Jaleel Mclaughlin (RB) might be a last pick in your draft dart throw. This situation reminds me of when Phillip Lindsay came out of nowhere and had a great rookie season. I think this kid has more to offer. He can run between the tackles and catch the ball. Who knows how healthy J Williams will be coming back from injury. There has been a constant drum beat through out the offseason here.
Albert O (TE) looked amazing. He was no lock to make the team but this performance will help. He looked like a top 5 TE out there.
Drew Sanders (LB) This guy is going to be a big time play maker.
Stidham (QB) looked fantastic.
Jaleel Mclaughlin (RB) might be a last pick in your draft dart throw. This situation reminds me of when Phillip Lindsay came out of nowhere and had a great rookie season. I think this kid has more to offer. He can run between the tackles and catch the ball. Who knows how healthy J Williams will be coming back from injury. There has been a constant drum beat through out the offseason here.
Albert O (TE) looked amazing. He was no lock to make the team but this performance will help. He looked like a top 5 TE out there.
Drew Sanders (LB) This guy is going to be a big time play maker.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Thanks for the clarification.
I just wonder what the alternative is? I don't think the perception that a gambling outcome is fair or not outweighs forcing athletes back onto the field after a heinous injury. Besides, I don't think that could happen. Clearly the NFL players have decided that if the risk to them is significant, they will not be forced on to the field immediately.
Perhaps a compromise is that if a game can't be finished on the scheduled day/night, there is a designated way to complete unfinished games? Although that might be unwieldy. Or perhaps the NFL can implement rules for what happens after a serious injury - when is the game called, is there a winner (similar to the MLB rain rules), or give players a timed space to refocus after such incidents.
Insein
Footballguy
The risk to them is ALWAYS significant. They know this every time they step foot on the field. That's why I'm not sure of this sudden urge to end the game when a potential significant injury occurs.
In a 14 team league, where most teams have a backup QB, I paired Watson with Purdy who was the 2nd backup QB taken. Between the 2 of them, there should be good weather or a good choice almost every week. Purdy had top 10 overall numbers in his 7 starts. Both QBs have risks, but good upside.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
At least you said he looked better on later drives. I've never been a fan of him, the Browns or Amari Cooper but somehow ended up with Amari Cooper in every league. I am very nervous.
Dolphins WR Daewood Davis has been released from the hospital. He will travel home to Miami today with team personnel.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's 4th quarter of an exhibition game where it is likely almost every player on the field won't make the 53 man roster. There's probably like 3,000 fans even left in the stadium by this point. I am sure there are some preseason games where if the coaches could just end after the 3rd quarter, they would
Insein
Footballguy
I hope that's all it is.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Me too
Truebluey
Footballguy
OK. Let me explain it from my perspective as a sport psychologist who works with these men on a regular basis.
One of the important features of cognition is something known as salience. There are literally thousands of stimuli a player can attend to at any moment. One of the crucial features of expertise is bring able to attend to the "right" stimuli at the correct moment. Those cues the athlete is paying attention to at a given moment are the ones with high salience.
Although you are correct that all athletes KNOW of the risks in their sport, it is NEVER optimal to give those thoughts high salience. Indeed, elite athletes go to elaborate lengths to minimize any risks through training and preparation.
However, when a fellow competitor is badly injured (not a run of the mill injury, but the type that includes bodily paralysis, for example), the ability to block that thought is shattered. In fact, the thought of injury is now highly salient.
Our research tells us that this is a dangerous state of attention for an athlete to be in. It increases the risk of injury very significantly. And unfortunately, this cannot be blocked out or suppressed easily. It takes time to process.
That's why, all things considered, it is better for an athlete not to continue to play in such a situation. We recommend an opportunity to process and reset.
But let me emphasize - it is usually only a shocking injury that penetrates the cocoon of focus that these athletes have. Their minds are as highly trained as their bodies. A tegular injury will be dealt with unless there are mitigating factors (such as a close friend being injured).
It's a complex situation, and, yes, our response has evolved, just as it has, for example, with concussion. We know far more about the brain than we did even 10 years ago. But - we have a long, long way to go.
socrates
Footballguy
Thank you for this insightful information. I have always believed that the best way to assuage your fears is to get back on the horse immediately, rather than letting those fears fester. I am no sports psychologist and have never played professional sports, but I have faced trauma—just my two cents. I realize the old-school methods are not in line with new-age thinking.
