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Kinda wished we moved on and played some young guys
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2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (6 Viewers)
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Kinda wished we moved on and played some young guys
Insein
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Yea. Hindsight and all that but if they had been playing all year, they'd probably have worked through all their growing pains by now.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Lol, no. What team has ever jettisoned not only their first year play caller, but also their recently signed $250 million QB AND a top 3-4 WR in the league. This city would burn to the ground if they tried that.It’s a lot more people try to smooth that week3 or whatever it was issue off but it seems like it was a big problem. Hurts was here when the Wentz stuff went down so I think he’s trying to satisfy the problem but is just making things worse for the offense. Either the team needs an OC and QB coach who don’t take **** or they grab two new guys and trade brown. Only issue is I think the cap hit they’d takeGuy always came off to me as one of those overly massive manly men that have too much testosterone and are always quick to anger and be confrontational....you know the type, idk, maybe someone just like DK Metcalf.Dude needs to goAnd now you have AJ Brown arguing with fans on Twitter
Hurts has certainly however, developed an over-reliance on him. As much as Smith is used, he's still underutilized in the offense. There's currently a difference of 39 targets between AJB and Smith on the year (141-102). Smith is too often killing dudes underneath while Hurts chucks it to AJB in double coverage.
Compare that to last year's regular season, where the targets were much more evenly distributed, and the pass game a bit tougher to predict (AJB 145-136 Smith).
Makes me wonder how much Brown is in Jalen's ear on a weekly basis ever since he was crying in week 3.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I said before the game I was looking forward to seeing Kelee Ringo and he didn't disappoint. He's a big dude and plays with some fire. Looking forward to seeing him grow.
Bigboy10182000
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Landon Dickerson is undergoing surgery on his thumb today, sources say. He is expected to miss minimal time and won’t be placed on IR.
Jesus
Jesus
roar_lions
Footballguy
One of the Philly sportswriters suggested that the failure to integrate the young players in the secondary during the season was part of the reason that Desai was demoted.
That's not what @DJackson10 said. He said QB coach, not QB.Lol, no. What team has ever jettisoned not only their first year play caller, but also their recently signed $250 million QB AND a top 3-4 WR in the league. This city would burn to the ground if they tried that.It’s a lot more people try to smooth that week3 or whatever it was issue off but it seems like it was a big problem. Hurts was here when the Wentz stuff went down so I think he’s trying to satisfy the problem but is just making things worse for the offense. Either the team needs an OC and QB coach who don’t take **** or they grab two new guys and trade brown. Only issue is I think the cap hit they’d takeGuy always came off to me as one of those overly massive manly men that have too much testosterone and are always quick to anger and be confrontational....you know the type, idk, maybe someone just like DK Metcalf.Dude needs to goAnd now you have AJ Brown arguing with fans on Twitter
Hurts has certainly however, developed an over-reliance on him. As much as Smith is used, he's still underutilized in the offense. There's currently a difference of 39 targets between AJB and Smith on the year (141-102). Smith is too often killing dudes underneath while Hurts chucks it to AJB in double coverage.
Compare that to last year's regular season, where the targets were much more evenly distributed, and the pass game a bit tougher to predict (AJB 145-136 Smith).
Makes me wonder how much Brown is in Jalen's ear on a weekly basis ever since he was crying in week 3.
Cowboysfan8
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@DJackson10 is the only one I remember since the beginning of last season that was pumping the brakes on Hurts. And boy did he take heat for it. Seems like a lot of eagles fans on this board owe him an apology. Or at the very least admit he was right
babydemon90
Footballguy
Pretty sure he means get a new OC and QB coach.Lol, no. What team has ever jettisoned not only their first year play caller, but also their recently signed $250 million QB AND a top 3-4 WR in the league. This city would burn to the ground if they tried that.It’s a lot more people try to smooth that week3 or whatever it was issue off but it seems like it was a big problem. Hurts was here when the Wentz stuff went down so I think he’s trying to satisfy the problem but is just making things worse for the offense. Either the team needs an OC and QB coach who don’t take **** or they grab two new guys and trade brown. Only issue is I think the cap hit they’d takeGuy always came off to me as one of those overly massive manly men that have too much testosterone and are always quick to anger and be confrontational....you know the type, idk, maybe someone just like DK Metcalf.Dude needs to goAnd now you have AJ Brown arguing with fans on Twitter
Hurts has certainly however, developed an over-reliance on him. As much as Smith is used, he's still underutilized in the offense. There's currently a difference of 39 targets between AJB and Smith on the year (141-102). Smith is too often killing dudes underneath while Hurts chucks it to AJB in double coverage.
Compare that to last year's regular season, where the targets were much more evenly distributed, and the pass game a bit tougher to predict (AJB 145-136 Smith).
Makes me wonder how much Brown is in Jalen's ear on a weekly basis ever since he was crying in week 3.
Which is pretty likely to happen if this continues and they fall flat in the playoffs.
AJ Brown isnt going anywhere. He's not cuttable or tradeable this offseason.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
He wasn't right, he said he was a RB. Struggling with this new OC/play caller and missing reads doesn't mean he's a running back. Hurts has literally made these kinds of reads before - he's regressed. Three of the last 4 games he's has completion percentages below 60% - yea, that's bad. He also didn't have a single game below 62% before that. He threw for 71% in the Super Bowl - the talent is there, and the old takes of "he's just a running back" are still bad takes. But there's still no question he needs some serious fixing.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I don’t think that’s all he said
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He’s also tied for the league lead in turnovers. What excuses are you going to give him for that..coaching? Playcalling?
unckeyherb
Footballguy
you're right-I read that wrong. Still take issue with the idea of trading Brown.That's not what @DJackson10 said. He said QB coach, not QB.Lol, no. What team has ever jettisoned not only their first year play caller, but also their recently signed $250 million QB AND a top 3-4 WR in the league. This city would burn to the ground if they tried that.It’s a lot more people try to smooth that week3 or whatever it was issue off but it seems like it was a big problem. Hurts was here when the Wentz stuff went down so I think he’s trying to satisfy the problem but is just making things worse for the offense. Either the team needs an OC and QB coach who don’t take **** or they grab two new guys and trade brown. Only issue is I think the cap hit they’d takeGuy always came off to me as one of those overly massive manly men that have too much testosterone and are always quick to anger and be confrontational....you know the type, idk, maybe someone just like DK Metcalf.Dude needs to goAnd now you have AJ Brown arguing with fans on Twitter
Hurts has certainly however, developed an over-reliance on him. As much as Smith is used, he's still underutilized in the offense. There's currently a difference of 39 targets between AJB and Smith on the year (141-102). Smith is too often killing dudes underneath while Hurts chucks it to AJB in double coverage.
Compare that to last year's regular season, where the targets were much more evenly distributed, and the pass game a bit tougher to predict (AJB 145-136 Smith).
Makes me wonder how much Brown is in Jalen's ear on a weekly basis ever since he was crying in week 3.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
That mostly what was said. Along with an excuse as to why any good play Hurts made was actually a bad decision and lucky the pass wasn't intercepted.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Well, he has almost as many rush tds as pass tds, maybe he’s onto something
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Is what I wrote incorrect?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I was one as well.
Also, we’re all on a fantasy football message board. The amount of players we are wrong about is most likely into the thousands so let’s not try to win the tallest midget contest lol
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
100%. It’s crazy the stamina he has though. We’re years into trolling and fishing random people on a message board for kicks. It’s remarkable and sad at the same time.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Everytime someone isn’t blowing the eagles they’re trolling and fishing.100%. It’s crazy the stamina he has though. We’re years into trolling and fishing random people on a message board for kicks. It’s remarkable and sad at the same time.
Carry on with the oral
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Same spin over and over and over. You’ve done it for years and than play the victim when called on it.
FYI, it’s 2023 and extremely easy to see trolling and fishing. It’s an old trick that only weirdos carry on with nowadays. It’s like prank calling someone lol.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Noone is playing the victim. Just enjoying the Eagles failing after months of reading how fantastic they are every day. And giving credit to the one fan who wasn’t wearing the green goggles , as I was all along actually
Terpman22
Footballguy
I have seen a couple takes on this.
1. Wow the Eagles offense is so predicable (true)
and
2. Also, the Niners have this play in their playbook so it was easily Identifiable
DJackson10
Footballguy
The only thing I’ve been right so far was a decline from last year. If he has another season like this then we can talk about being right on other stuff
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Just a normal happy person who carves out hours and hours over years to stir the pot. We see you.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Shane seems to put more of the blame onto the design (Gainwell outside) and the OL missing key blocks.
I’m honestly not sure how to take it. If every play is designed right and blocked great they’d all work lol.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I feel most people on here tend to argue in terms of fantasy player they are not the actual real human player. Lamar jackson is probably the best QB in terms of fantasy when he’s on but he’s not even in my top 5 human factor QBs
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Eh, most of my posts are at work and I’ve got a mini computer in my pocket
It is sad that rival fans can’t poke at each other on a message board without people getting butthurt, wouldn’t you agree?
Didn’t you use your handle at thehuddle back in the day?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The arguments are definitely mixed. The overall point is that there isn’t a single person here that’s not wrong about tons of players in just one season.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I was going to say most teams have a few similar plays in their playbooks so CMC probably noticed that. There’s a few heck from madden playbooks exact to to us called. Eagles TD vs Buff was a bunch 3WR fake screen deep in that’s in madden. Ton of orbit plays as well. So if you are around long enough you can see certain plays. Some people think playing madden is a waste of time but it’s kind of helpful. There’s at least 10 plays the Eagles have run imho that I’ve seen over the last 10 yrs in madden and the Philly special is still in there. Wish they added Philly Philly that they ran year after.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Last year: Rachaad White sucks!
This year: Rachaad White is awesome!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The only thing sad is that this has been your position for years. You enjoy it. Again, this isn’t hard to see and it’s sad.
It’s 2023 and I don’t understand how a troll is still a thing. I can think of a million better things to do than go into a place I don’t enjoy to cause issues and see the reaction of bigboy10182000.
But “lighten up Francis”…..”carry on with the oral”…..”I can’t understand why you get upset”……”I keep getting reported”. It’s pathetic.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let me make sure I have this right....Eagles lost a quality starting OG to Pittsburgh, had their OC/DC leave, lost a DB that had the most interceptions, lost 2 quality LBs, lost a premier DL
-I could send all that to most NFL teams and they would make the Playoffs with what Philly lost in the off season
And yet they started 10-1?
If they had gone 3-2, 6-3, then 10-4, would we be having this same discussion? No, but they lost 3 in a row and everyone is ready to hit the panic or eject button
I'm not a Philly fan but I sure admire what they have put together quickly there. Most teams would have just kept going after the SB and many thought they were nuts firing Pederson and a lot of personnel changes but they have proven to be progressive and ahead of things. Maybe the GM deserves a lot of credit
There is going to be some hollow victories the next 3 weeks vs inferiors, but its a chance to get RIGHT!
Maybe you will go on the road to open the Playoffs but if you all do win out and Dallas were to say lose to Miami down at the Hard Rock at 4:30 on X-Mas Eve...the narrative could change quickly.
But say you all did open on the road at Tampa Bay, you're beating Mayfield and then you likely are at San Fran the next week, you can't avoid them in the Playoffs so no matter where the game is played you gotta face them again and you will. If you were to pull that off, maybe a showdown in Big D?
No matter how you slice it, you gotta beat Dallas and San Fran, you've beaten them both between the '22 and '23 season, it's not an impossibility by any stretch
Lick your wounds and heal up, be ready to fight back soon
I still think Hurts is maybe 80-85%, he looks slow when he tucks and runs, wish he would just throw it away and not take the hits.
-I could send all that to most NFL teams and they would make the Playoffs with what Philly lost in the off season
And yet they started 10-1?
If they had gone 3-2, 6-3, then 10-4, would we be having this same discussion? No, but they lost 3 in a row and everyone is ready to hit the panic or eject button
I'm not a Philly fan but I sure admire what they have put together quickly there. Most teams would have just kept going after the SB and many thought they were nuts firing Pederson and a lot of personnel changes but they have proven to be progressive and ahead of things. Maybe the GM deserves a lot of credit
There is going to be some hollow victories the next 3 weeks vs inferiors, but its a chance to get RIGHT!
Maybe you will go on the road to open the Playoffs but if you all do win out and Dallas were to say lose to Miami down at the Hard Rock at 4:30 on X-Mas Eve...the narrative could change quickly.
But say you all did open on the road at Tampa Bay, you're beating Mayfield and then you likely are at San Fran the next week, you can't avoid them in the Playoffs so no matter where the game is played you gotta face them again and you will. If you were to pull that off, maybe a showdown in Big D?
No matter how you slice it, you gotta beat Dallas and San Fran, you've beaten them both between the '22 and '23 season, it's not an impossibility by any stretch
Lick your wounds and heal up, be ready to fight back soon
I still think Hurts is maybe 80-85%, he looks slow when he tucks and runs, wish he would just throw it away and not take the hits.
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Terpman22
Footballguy
If we had sorta started off rocky and "eventually figured things out" it would be one thing, meaning that we kinda struggled with the changes but slowly adapted and changed and improved.
But the reality is we were 10-1 and were pretty lucky to get there. We had a ton of defensive injuries and the noticeable bad play calling on offense only got louder and louder and now the truth is we have done the opposite of improve, we have regressed - the bad play calling has caught up with us both in execution and what film (read very predictiable offense) and a defense so bad they we soft-fired our DC.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What teams have the luxury of promoting a Matt Patricia to Defensive Coordinator with 4 weeks left in the season?
You make it sound like they soft-fired the DC and inserted the Asst Special Teams Coach
The Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012 as I recall and they fired their OC pretty far into the season, Cam Cameron
It's not unprecedented where good teams make very difficult changes or decisions, Patricia will help when they get into the Playoffs, that man is battle tested as a DC
I do agree with you, it does seem they might have regressed a bit and it was probably that way all season but the record covered up some of it.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
He plays quarterback though.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
He didn’t make the reads, guys were wide open because when you’re playing 11v10 because the defense is worried about the QB running it’s easy to hit the first option.
But you guys can’t see that when it’s happening. This is a rinse and repeat of RGIII. In 2012 I said the same exact stuff but everybody just said I’m a hater and he was a magician at reading defenses.
Now that Hurts is either hurt or unwilling to run, defenses play him differently. Defenses also adjust with a year of film. Like how they figured out Hurts isn’t great at throwing while moving to his left.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I was right there with him, defending him. DJax, you’re my boy blue!!!
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I stand by my take on Hurts (and all running QBs) but this is the right approach.
The Eagles are still dangerous, talented and likely pissed off right now.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
To be fair, we’ve all had to listen to you guys act like you know what you’re talking about when it comes to football matter a factly for two years. You’re being disingenuous by playing innocent now.
Take your medicine without all the sanctimony.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Oh you were forced in here to listen to us? It’s hard to turn away when you have nothing else I guess.
You’re not much different than him but you already know that.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This is such a horrible take
DJackson10
Footballguy
I think it’s more people are realizing the problems on this team now. If they had started out slow with a worse record we aren’t having this conversation in the way we are. I think reality is just setting in now for a lot of fans
The problems progressively worse now. This wasn’t hey rough patch and we figured things out. This is, we’re having the same issues as early in the year and nothing seems to be fixed or adapted. Do the talent plus some low IQ football of opponents were lucky we aren’t closer to .500 record.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
At the same time I’m not looking to float. Maybe just taken more seriously with my concerns, not called a hater (some think I’m a racist some how), not a real fan etc. I just got back to work after 3 months out for elbow surgery and my one manager is a giants fan. I told him I couldn’t argue with how bad we the eagles have been. If I had been at work for the past 3 months he’d have heard me express those concerns the last 3 months
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I try to talk some smack on a message board with some rival fans and according to you “I have nothing else”. It’s weak sauce and you all are as soft as as it gets.
I spent alot of time on a board that slowly died and it was a lot of fun giving and getting ****. Apparently that’s never going to happen here. I guess I’ll have to hold out hope the Giants and Washington get better soon
DJackson10
Footballguy
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