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Can those of you more in the know than me and also more objective than me (since I'm a TWolves fan and a KAT fan) give some thoughts on this? Was that a fair return?
 
Zow said:
Can those of you more in the know than me and also more objective than me (since I'm a TWolves fan and a KAT fan) give some thoughts on this? Was that a fair return?
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I haven't delved super deep into yet...but it feels like two teams kind of trading their unwanted garbage. KAT is definitely the best player, but DiVincenzo is meaningful and it's worth wondering if KAT was ever gonna put it together for a full 4 rounds.

At the price tag...I think I'd rather be Minnesota in the deal.

It kind of seems decent for both sides, which is unusual.
 
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Zow said:
Can those of you more in the know than me and also more objective than me (since I'm a TWolves fan and a KAT fan) give some thoughts on this? Was that a fair return?
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I haven't delved super deep into yet...but it feels like two teams kind of trading their unwanted garbage. KAT is definitely the best player, but DiVincenzo is meaningful and it's worth wondering if KAT was ever gonna put it together for a full 4 rounds.

At the price tag...I think I'd rather be Minnesota in the deal.

It kind of seems decent for both sides, which is unusual.
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I'd agree. Slight edge to Minny primarily due to KAT's albatross of a contract. Should give them a lot more wiggle room in the future.
 
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Can those of you more in the know than me and also more objective than me (since I'm a TWolves fan and a KAT fan) give some thoughts on this? Was that a fair return?
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It hurts like hell to trade KAT. He was a good soldier, great human being, and great teammate and ambassdor for the team and the state. Never complained, never asked to be traded, and willingly shifted his role to accomodate both Rudy and Ant as things changed. Awesome dude and I will always be a fan.

That being said, after some time I have decided I am in favor of this trade. I did not love breaking up a west coast finals team, however this was the best return they were ever going to get for that contract, and they were absolutely going to have to move KAT (or rudy) at some point or lose not only Naz and NAW, but all possible flexibility. If they were to say, have a successful year and make the WCF again and get beat soundly by another team not bothered by their size they'd be stuck, unable to change, and be paying a fortune for a team that will never win a title and would be getting steadily worse as the were unable to afford their depth pieces who would keep leaving and they would be unable to replace them since they have very few picks.

The return really depends a lot on Randle. He gives them another creator (as does DDV) which is something they badly needed, and they both are solid defenders and tough players. They should fit in well on the defensive end and actually make this a better defensive team than they were last year - and they were awesome already. They also have more lineup flexibility, with both Randle and DDV able to run the offense at times in case Dillingham sucks. And if Dillingham is good, him plus Naz plus DDV plus NAW is a hell of a second unit, which may have been an issue this year. DDV's value as both a player and on that contract cannot be overstated.

Randle is a bit of a ball-stopper and we already have Ant to do that so I don't know how well they will mesh. Not to mention Randle off-ball isn't going to have the same gravity as KAT and that could make spacing even harder for Ant to navigate. So it is definitely not a slam dunk and there are lots of questions. The good news is that if Randle doesn't fit it he should be pretty easy to move, which is kind of the reason this trade is good. They have outs now.

Ant is clearly this team's future. If the KAT/Rudy pairing ended up not working it didn't matter - they were financially locked into this group unless they moved KAT. And in the scenario where the team isn't working they wouldn't get much for him, and certainly nothing like a 2-time all NBA guy and one of the best shooters in the NBA. Now they can have more flexibility to change things up and stay competitive.

Basically they are probably a little worse now, but with the ability to get better. And if Randle blends in, they might even be better now.

Plus I'm kind of looking forward to watching the Wolves without stressing about KAT fouls the whole time.
 
Basically now we can (theoretically) put together a title competing team around Ant ever year, and obviously keeping him happy is paramount. He hasn't given off anything but good vibes yet, but no need to tempt fate, particularly as a Minnesota team. Without the trade, we were locked in to a roster with essentially one shot to stay together (Naz and NAW would almost certainly bolt next season and would be essentially unreplaceable due to our cap situation).
 
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Gr00vus said:
So many paragraphs.
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Shamed for giving an in-depth and knowledgeable answer is so this thread.
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shame, shame, shame, 🔔 , shame, shame, shame, 🔔 ....

Actually that was more a lament of my state at the time I tried to read your posts. I'd had a few beers and was all set for pithy reparte in this thread, hit your magnum opus, and the words just started running together. 🫠
 
Nothing to see here . . . I posted a link to live stream C's and Nuggets, but it was shut down.

Apparently, the Celtics are looking to ramp up their love for the three-point shot. They took 61 of them today.
 
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Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
 
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
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I am in if we start October 18th or later. I can't play before that.
 
Frostillicus said:
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
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I am in if we start October 18th or later. I can't play before that.
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That works for me. I still need to build out a draft sheet and we’d need to get everyone to sign up and stuff.
 
Frostillicus said:
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
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I am in if we start October 18th or later. I can't play before that.
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Same for me but I like this idea for a change of pace.

My thoughts....
  • Only have one team of 12 rather than the complexities of two teams. 8 players as you discussed above, plus one additional foreign, one additional major conference, one minor conference/other, one wildcard. I'm thinking going this direction as it'll be easier to draft (having spread out picks would require more attention), I think the back third of the draft is going to be pretty boring anyway, and the "scoring" would get really wonky.
  • Third round reversal for sure as there is no way to even remotely balance teams otherwise.
 
Kev4029 said:

My thoughts....
  • Only have one team of 12 rather than the complexities of two teams. 8 players as you discussed above, plus one additional foreign, one additional major conference, one minor conference/other, one wildcard. I'm thinking going this direction as it'll be easier to draft (having spread out picks would require more attention), I think the back third of the draft is going to be pretty boring anyway, and the "scoring" would get really wonky.
  • Third round reversal for sure as there is no way to even remotely balance teams otherwise.
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Definitely 3RR. I’d be good with the one 12-man team thing, with 2 max in any category and at least 1 from each.
 
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
 
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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Surprised SAS is so low.
 
Yo Mama said:
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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Surprised SAS is so low.
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Flagg, Dybansta, whatever it takes.

Edit: Atlanta picks, 👋
 
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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There’s no way that 40.6 is right for the Knicks
 
Yo Mama said:
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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Surprised SAS is so low.
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Honestly, their roster kind of sucks after Wemby. And I’m not sure you can pencil him in as a guaranteed floor raiser himself yet. All they really changed was bringing in Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes, who will bring some stability but I don’t think will contribute that much to winning games at this point, especially with this team. And they might get traded. And vassell is out right now and they seem to be downplaying it but he won’t even be re-evaluated until 11/1. And there are at least 11 teams that will be ahead of them So I think there are a definitely be ahead of them, so a lot of reasons to be skeptical .

I do think that having them below Portland and maybe Utah is a little surprising. Portland especially is was too high for wins.
 
Long Ball Larry said:
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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There’s no way that 40.6 is right for the Knicks
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I'm thinking it's 50.6
 
Major said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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There’s no way that 40.6 is right for the Knicks
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I'm thinking it's 50.6
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Their list has them at. -0.3 net rating (essentially in this formula). https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi

And Chicago is only -1.0, virtually the same as Orlando. Chicago might have the worst defense in the league.

Something seems awry.
 
Long Ball Larry said:
Major said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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There’s no way that 40.6 is right for the Knicks
Click to expand...

I'm thinking it's 50.6
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Their list has them at. -0.3 net rating (essentially in this formula). https://www.espn.com/nba/bpi

And Chicago is only -1.0, virtually the same as Orlando. Chicago might have the worst defense in the league.

Something seems awry.
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Agreed. If this is the same ESPN stat thingy that ranked the Clippers as the best team in the league for several years straight then it makes more sense.
 
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
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Not even close to complicated enough
 
the moops said:
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
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Not even close to complicated enough
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We need to get dice involved somehow.
 
Frostillicus said:
the moops said:
Yo Mama said:
Ok, here is what I was thinking for an NBA draft for this season. I’ll set up a separate thread if this is something enough people will be interested in.

NBA 2024-2025 Who’d He Play For Draft

- Draft for players entering the 24-25 season (not an all-time draft)
- Players separated into buckets of where they played before entering the NBA (see categories below)
- 16 round draft - you will field two separate 8-man teams each using one player from each of the 8 categories noted below
- After the draft, we will rank the A teams and B teams separately. You can divide your players however you want, as long as you don’t duplicate the player categories. You can treat it like Pai Gow where you either stack one team or try to balance your teams. We’ll add the A and B team rankings for a combined score for the final overall ranking. I think I’ll count the A team rankings for a little more than the B team rankings, so your A team should be better than your B team.
- We can discuss some nuances in the thread if this sounds interesting, but players are only eligible for one category, based on where they last played prior to the NBA. If they transferred colleges, they are only eligible for their most recent school. If they are a foreign-born player who played college in US, they are bucketed with that school (for example, Hakeem Olajuwon would be considered from Houston rather than the foreign category). US-born players who played overseas prior to the NBA are considered foreign. I’m willing to debate some of this categorization once we get a thread going.
- For simplicity, Conferences are based on last year’s conference alignment since nobody has played in the new stupid conferences yet. UCLA is still PAC-12.

Player Categories
- ACC
- Big 10
- Big 12
- Big East / WCC
- Pac 12
- SEC
- Other US College / G League / High School
- Foreign

I tried to balance out the categories as much as I could, but there will be some strategy based on scarcity.

I can include a player list in the draft spreadsheet showing where each player is bucketed.

Let me know if this sounds interesting and I can start a thread for more discussion and for sign ups.
Click to expand...
Not even close to complicated enough
Click to expand...
We need to get dice involved somehow.
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d12 to determine which conference to pick from

d6 to choose a position - 6 is a wild card

d20 each pick - a nat 20 means you CAN pick an all time player and we assume hes in his prime
 
Anarchy99 said:
ESPN BPI analytics mumbo jumbo heading into the season.

Team, Wins, Championship Probability

BOS - 56 (25.9%)
PHI - 51.5 (12.5%)
OKC - 51.2 (12.5%)
DAL - 50.3 (10.3%)
CLE - 47.5 (5.7%)
MIN - 46.5 (4.8%)
DEN - 46.3 (4.6%)
MIL - 46 (4.2%)
MIA - 44.9 (3.8%)
MEM - 44.4 (2.6%)
LAL - 42.7 (1.5%)
PHX - 42.7 (1.6%)
SAC - 42.5 (1.6%)
NOP - 42.5 (1.4%)
LAC - 42.4 (1.3%)
HOU - 42.1 (1.2%)
GSW - 41.8 (1.1%)
IND - 41.1 (1.2%)
NYK - 40.6 (1.1%)
ORL - 38.7 (0.4%)
CHI - 38.2 (0.3%)
CHA - 37 (0.3%)
ATL - 36.9 (0.3%)
TOR - 33.9 (0%)
BRK - 33.5 (0%)
UTA - 33.1 (0%)
POR - 33.1 (0%)
SAS - 31 (0%)
DET - 29.3 (0%)
WAS - 22.4 (0%)

That's an odd-looking list. The Knicks will win 10 fewer games this year?
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It's a stupid list. ESPN's analytics are about the worst in the business because their viewers are a bunch of mouth breathers that don't care.

Beyond some of the stupid **** like having New York and Orland as sub .500 teams, there is clearly something that is pulling teams towards .500 in more of a bell curve rather than a more typical distribution. The bottom of the league is going to be much worse and the top of the league is going to be better. With the pull of the lottery, I doubt many teams will end up in the mid-30s in wins, especially in the western conference as they won't be in play-in contention. Teams like Toronto and Chicago may have the ability to stay in the middle of the lottery and chase the the play-in at the same time, but the west is ****ing stacked.
 
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