2024-25 NBA Thread: Thibs fired for not playing starters enough (94 Viewers)

[Moe.]

Another good US game.

Gonna be an awesome tournament. Germany looks so meh on paper but has a real shot to win

 

[Jayrod]

We should get Canada on our side though

Americas vs Eurasia/Africa/Australia?

Are there any quality South Americans right now?

 

[Deamon]

SGA-Doncic-Giannis-Wemby-Jokic

vs

Curry-Jrue-Tatum-LeBron-AD

Team USA would look small.

and comparing benches?

 

[Deamon]

Another good US game.

Gonna be an awesome tournament. Germany looks so meh on paper but has a real shot to win

Ya I'm not sure... they are playing well for sure. As of now, Germany has the 5th best odds to win the tourney, behind USA, Canada, France, Serbia.

 

[Capella]

Franz

 

[Moe.]

Another good US game.

Gonna be an awesome tournament. Germany looks so meh on paper but has a real shot to win

Ya I'm not sure... they are playing well for sure. As of now, Germany has the 5th best odds to win the tourney, behind USA, Canada, France, Serbia.

Those odds are too low, I almost put that in my post. They’re not even really going after this game and they are still right there.

 

[Moe.]

I actually expect Canada to underwhelm in the tournament for a lot of the same reasons that impact the US. Some of their odds should shift to Germany imo.

 

[msudaisy26]

SGA-Doncic-Giannis-Wemby-Jokic

vs

Curry-Jrue-Tatum-LeBron-AD

Team USA would look small.

If you put Durant in for Jrue and assume everyone is healthy it would be a really good 7 game series.

 

[trader jake]

Who do you guys think would win in a USA vs rest-of-world all-star team? Seems the only advantage other countries have is them playing together/team chemistry, which they would of course lose if you threw together an all star team.

Assuming that you're talking about all other countries, not just the countries and players in the Olympics...the rest of the world arguably has a better starting lineup. Once you take the benches into account, I'd give the US an edge, but still would be a good game that I'd only expect us to win about 60% of the time.

I think you're drastically underrating the non-USA talent. The 60% feels correct, but The World would be the favorite.

 

[Capella]

Another good US game.

Gonna be an awesome tournament. Germany looks so meh on paper but has a real shot to win

Ya I'm not sure... they are playing well for sure. As of now, Germany has the 5th best odds to win the tourney, behind USA, Canada, France, Serbia.

Those odds are too low, I almost put that in my post. They’re not even really going after this game and they are still right there.

Again they meet what I said the other day of team that has been playing together forever and surrounds a superstar (Franz ) with complimentary talent.

 

[Yo Mama]

What a sequence from Booker - nice defensive play followed by a tough and-1 opportunity.

 

[trader jake]

Another good US game.

Gonna be an awesome tournament. Germany looks so meh on paper but has a real shot to win

Ya I'm not sure... they are playing well for sure. As of now, Germany has the 5th best odds to win the tourney, behind USA, Canada, France, Serbia.

Those odds are too low, I almost put that in my post. They’re not even really going after this game and they are still right there.

The US is going to have to play much better in the Olympics than they have in the showcase games to win gold.

Defense: Way too many open 3's. Why doesn't this team switch everything? Drop coverage only leads to all these All-Stars worst tendencies as defenders. Lack of boxing out is also a problem.

Offense: Way too much one-on-one after slowly bringing the ball up. This squad needs to push the ball at every possible opportunity. No rest for the opposition, make them run all game long.

 

[Moe.]

LeBron is just ridiculous. His ability to finish through people at the rim is insane

 

[Jayrod]

LeBron with bucket-steal-bucket-rebound-2FTs sequence to go from down 1 to up 5.

 

[Yo Mama]

LeBron is crazy

 

[Jayrod]

LeBron is crazy

Another quick 5-0 LeBron run to go back up 6 with under a minute.

 

[Capella]

How is Lebron not everybody’s goat at this point

 

[Jayrod]

How is Lebron not everybody’s goat at this point

MJ would have won that game by 20.

 

[Capella]

How is Lebron not everybody’s goat at this point

MJ would have won that game by 20.

At 40 MJ’s eyes were yellow.

 

[the moops]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

Umm yea, that's ummm, yea, definitely what I was doing

 

[Deamon]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

Umm yea, that's ummm, yea, definitely what I was doing

They really should do what hockey used to do and do USA vs the world at the next all star game. That would be so awesome compared to the awful game they currently play.

 

[the moops]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

Umm yea, that's ummm, yea, definitely what I was doing

They really should do what hockey used to do and do USA vs the world at the next all star game. That would be so awesome compared to the awful game they currently play.

I don't remember when hockey did this, but I imagine the US would get smoked. Aren't only like 25% of NHL players from the US?

 

[Spartans Rule]

I don't remember when hockey did this, but I imagine the US would get smoked. Aren't only like 25% of NHL players from the US?

It was actually North America vs. The World. NA won 3 out of 5 before they scrapped it.

 

[the moops]

I don't remember when hockey did this, but I imagine the US would get smoked. Aren't only like 25% of NHL players from the US?

It was actually North America vs. The World. NA won 3 out of 5 before they scrapped it.

That makes way more sense

 

[Major]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

Umm yea, that's ummm, yea, definitely what I was doing

They really should do what hockey used to do and do USA vs the world at the next all star game. That would be so awesome compared to the awful game they currently play.

I don't remember when hockey did this, but I imagine the US would get smoked. Aren't only like 25% of NHL players from the US?

I don't know what Deamon is talking about. That'd be like Canada vs. The World in basketball.

 

[Deamon]

A little light on guards behind the top two, but holy **** this team would be huge

Guards - SGA, Murray
Wings - Giannis, Markkanen, OG, Siakam
Bigs - Jokic, Porzingis, Wemby, Gobert, Sabonis, Sengun

Luka?

I think he was leaving out Slovenia as they didn't make the olympics this year.

Umm yea, that's ummm, yea, definitely what I was doing

They really should do what hockey used to do and do USA vs the world at the next all star game. That would be so awesome compared to the awful game they currently play.

I don't remember when hockey did this, but I imagine the US would get smoked. Aren't only like 25% of NHL players from the US?

I don't know what Deamon is talking about. That'd be like Canada vs. The World in basketball.

It was north America vs the world and it seemed to always be fairly close.

 

[mr. furley]

How is Lebron not everybody’s goat at this point

MJ would have won that game by 20.

At 40 MJ’s eyes were yellow.

heyzeus

 

[Deamon]

Reggie is a good signing for us. Really like the way the roster is looking, let's see what Nick can do with it.

 

[the moops]

Reggie is a good signing for us.

Reggie Miller would have been better. Jackson is toast

 

[Deamon]

Reggie is a good signing for us.

Reggie Miller would have been better. Jackson is toast

not a bad depth guy :(

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Reggie is a good signing for us.

Reggie Miller would have been better. Jackson is toast

not a bad depth guy :(

I feel like the whole team is made up of depth/bench guys other than Embiid, Maxey, and PG. Oubre and Martin are slightly above that I guess? But Gordon, Lowry, Reggie etc are bench guys really.

 

[the moops]

Reggie is a good signing for us.

Reggie Miller would have been better. Jackson is toast

not a bad depth guy :(

I feel like the whole team is made up of depth/bench guys other than Embiid, Maxey, and PG. Oubre and Martin are slightly above that I guess? But Gordon, Lowry, Reggie etc are bench guys really.

Yea, their top 3 is great obviously, but I can't imagine Oubre and Martin making up the 4th and 5th starter on a championship contender.

 

[Anarchy99]

I haven't been paying that close attention to all the player movement in the off-season, but I keep hearing about how the Mavs got light years better with the guys they added. I'm just trying to decipher if that is actually accurate or not . . .

Klay:
- GS was 7.6 points better per 100 possessions last year when Thompson wasn't on the court.
- He had a -5 net rating last year and -7 the season before.
- The last time he was above .100 in WS/48 was the 2016-17 season.
- His PER scores the last two seasons were 13.9 and 14.7 (league average is 15.0).

Grimes:
- Shot 33.8% on 3PA last year.
- Only had an 8.9 PER (with a career average of 10.8).
- His WS/48 score was 0.60 in 2024 (with a career average of .091)
- Had a -7 net rating last season.

Marshall:
- Is a career 31.3% 3P shooter.
- Has a career PER of 11.9.
- Has a career WS/48 of .073.
- Has a career -4 net rating.

Dinwiddie:
- Had an 11.7 PER last year.
- Is a career 33.3% 3P shooter.
- Had a WS/48 of .081 last year (career at .103).

Bottom line, all of those guys were significantly below league average last year, and other than Klay, have been below average over the course of their careers. Maybe they will do better playing for DAL, and maybe they are upgrades over the guys that they are replacing on the roster, but I am not really sure any of them move the needle much. I think teams will have a field day offensively if Luka, Kyrie, and Klay are on the court at the same time. But that's why they play the games.

 

[Anarchy99]

Vegas season O/U win totals are out . . .

• Boston Celtics 58.5
• New York Knicks 52.5
• Philadelphia 76ers 52.5
• Milwaukee Bucks 51.5
• Orlando Magic 47.5
• Cleveland Cavaliers 47.5
• Indiana Pacers 46.5
• Miami Heat 44.5
• Atlanta Hawks 35.5
• Toronto Raptors 30.5
• Chicago Bulls 30.5
• Charlotte Hornets 27.5
• Detroit Pistons 22.5
• Washington Wizards 22.5
• Brooklyn Nets 21.5
  
  
• Oklahoma City Thunder 55.5
• Denver Nuggets 52.5
• Minnesota Timberwolves 52.5
• Dallas Mavericks 50.5
• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5
• San Antonio Spurs 35.5
• Utah Jazz 28.5
• Portland Trail Blazers 22.5

 

[Jayrod]

Vegas season O/U win totals are out . . .

• Boston Celtics 58.5
• New York Knicks 52.5
• Philadelphia 76ers 52.5
• Milwaukee Bucks 51.5
• Orlando Magic 47.5
• Cleveland Cavaliers 47.5
• Indiana Pacers 46.5
• Miami Heat 44.5
• Atlanta Hawks 35.5
• Toronto Raptors 30.5
• Chicago Bulls 30.5
• Charlotte Hornets 27.5
• Detroit Pistons 22.5
• Washington Wizards 22.5
• Brooklyn Nets 21.5
  
  
• Oklahoma City Thunder 55.5
• Denver Nuggets 52.5
• Minnesota Timberwolves 52.5
• Dallas Mavericks 50.5
• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5
• San Antonio Spurs 35.5
• Utah Jazz 28.5
• Portland Trail Blazers 22.5

Feel like that Sixers number is based on everyone being mostly healthy AND working well together AND the bench not being awful.

 

[Yo Mama]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

 

[Yo Mama]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

 

[Jayrod]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

If by insane you mean subpar teams with an aging superstar and poor supporting cast, then you are correct.

 

[Yo Mama]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

If by insane you mean subpar teams with an aging superstar and poor supporting cast, then you are correct.

Representing 50% of the leagues luxury tax payments (Boston being the other 50%).

 

[Major]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

Houston will be taking one of those spots lil bro.

 

[Yo Mama]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

Houston will be taking one of those spots lil bro.

Hey, I wasn’t counting them out for the 5/6 spot in that scenario.

 

[Major]

Hey, I wasn’t counting them out for the 5/6 spot in that scenario.

My n word

 

[msudaisy26]

• Sacramento Kings 46.5
• Phoenix Suns 46.5
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5
• Golden State Warriors 43.5
• Houston Rockets 42.5
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5

Only two of these teams make the top 6 and stay out of the play-in.

Two of these Teams don’t even make the play in, and half of these teams are in the lottery (assuming OKC, Min, Den, and Dal are all top 4).

Carnage.

A play in tournament between Suns, Lakers, Warriors, and Clippers would be insane.

If by insane you mean subpar teams with an aging superstar and poor supporting cast, then you are correct.

If those are your play in teams then Steph, Durant and LeBron are playing for bragging rights on who got to play 5 extra games. Kawhi wins since he will sit out 4 of the 5 games.

 

[the moops]

First quick thoughts.

Laker and Clippers under.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The Hawks total seemed way high to me at first. However, since their first goes to the Spurs unprotected, they don’t have any incentive to use tanking strategies. Still, though, I like the under.

 

[Anarchy99]

Last year's win totals added . . .

• Boston Celtics 58.5 (64)
• New York Knicks 52.5 (50)
• Philadelphia 76ers 52.5 (47)
• Milwaukee Bucks 51.5 (49)
• Orlando Magic 47.5 (47)
• Cleveland Cavaliers 47.5 (48)
• Indiana Pacers 46.5 (47)
• Miami Heat 44.5 (46)
• Atlanta Hawks 35.5 (36)
• Toronto Raptors 30.5 (25)
• Chicago Bulls 30.5 (39)
• Charlotte Hornets 27.5 (21)
• Detroit Pistons 22.5 (14)
• Washington Wizards 22.5 (15)
• Brooklyn Nets 21.5 (32)
  
  
• Oklahoma City Thunder 55.5 (57)
• Denver Nuggets 52.5 (57)
• Minnesota Timberwolves 52.5 (56)
• Dallas Mavericks 50.5 (50)
• Sacramento Kings 46.5 (46)
• Phoenix Suns 46.5 (49)
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5 (49)
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5 (27)
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5 (47)
• Golden State Warriors 43.5 (46)
• Houston Rockets 42.5 (41)
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5 (51)
• San Antonio Spurs 35.5 (22)
• Utah Jazz 28.5 (31)
• Portland Trail Blazers 22.5 (21)

 

[msudaisy26]

Last year's win totals added . . .

• Boston Celtics 58.5 (64)
• New York Knicks 52.5 (50)
• Philadelphia 76ers 52.5 (47)
• Milwaukee Bucks 51.5 (49)
• Orlando Magic 47.5 (47)
• Cleveland Cavaliers 47.5 (48)
• Indiana Pacers 46.5 (47)
• Miami Heat 44.5 (46)
• Atlanta Hawks 35.5 (36)
• Toronto Raptors 30.5 (25)
• Chicago Bulls 30.5 (39)
• Charlotte Hornets 27.5 (21)
• Detroit Pistons 22.5 (14)
• Washington Wizards 22.5 (15)
• Brooklyn Nets 21.5 (32)
  
  
• Oklahoma City Thunder 55.5 (57)
• Denver Nuggets 52.5 (57)
• Minnesota Timberwolves 52.5 (56)
• Dallas Mavericks 50.5 (50)
• Sacramento Kings 46.5 (46)
• Phoenix Suns 46.5 (49)
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5 (49)
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5 (27)
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5 (47)
• Golden State Warriors 43.5 (46)
• Houston Rockets 42.5 (41)
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5 (51)
• San Antonio Spurs 35.5 (22)
• Utah Jazz 28.5 (31)
• Portland Trail Blazers 22.5 (21)

That is ridiculously accurate by Vegas.

 

[Balco]

Spurs way to high that’s the only one that seems crazy to me.

 

[Major]

First quick thoughts.

Laker and Clippers under.

I've been eyeing that Clippers under but I think there is a chance they add someone decent to the mix. Where the team stands currently, under for sure. Shame I can't get Houston at 30 again

 

[Snotbubbles]

Last year's win totals added . . .

• Boston Celtics 58.5 (64)
• New York Knicks 52.5 (50)
• Philadelphia 76ers 52.5 (47)
• Milwaukee Bucks 51.5 (49)
• Orlando Magic 47.5 (47)
• Cleveland Cavaliers 47.5 (48)
• Indiana Pacers 46.5 (47)
• Miami Heat 44.5 (46)
• Atlanta Hawks 35.5 (36)
• Toronto Raptors 30.5 (25)
• Chicago Bulls 30.5 (39)
• Charlotte Hornets 27.5 (21)
• Detroit Pistons 22.5 (14)
• Washington Wizards 22.5 (15)
• Brooklyn Nets 21.5 (32)
  
  
• Oklahoma City Thunder 55.5 (57)
• Denver Nuggets 52.5 (57)
• Minnesota Timberwolves 52.5 (56)
• Dallas Mavericks 50.5 (50)
• Sacramento Kings 46.5 (46)
• Phoenix Suns 46.5 (49)
• New Orleans Pelicans 46.5 (49)
• Memphis Grizzlies 45.5 (27)
• Los Angeles Lakers 45.5 (47)
• Golden State Warriors 43.5 (46)
• Houston Rockets 42.5 (41)
• Los Angeles Clippers 42.5 (51)
• San Antonio Spurs 35.5 (22)
• Utah Jazz 28.5 (31)
• Portland Trail Blazers 22.5 (21)

I'll take the over on the Sixers total with the thought that Embiid will play about 60 games this season, and when he's out they actually have a decent backup.