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2024-25 NBA Thread: Thunder starting to question having 140 pound guy playing in post in Finals (27 Viewers)

The sale of the Celtics may not go through. Apparently, a private equity firm cannot be the majority shareholder of a franchise.

You think someone in the room of a $6.1 BILLION deal would have known and figured this out beforehand.
 
The sale of the Celtics may not go through. Apparently, a private equity firm cannot be the majority shareholder of a franchise.

You think someone in the room of a $6.1 BILLION deal would have known and figured this out beforehand.
Maybe they thought they can deal with this issue during this process.
 
Memphis parts ways with HC Taylor Jenkins

Unless something agregious comes out involving him, it's not a good look at all for the Grizz with 9 games remaining. Why I think must be more to story

Yeah, that fight on the sidelines with Bane was a little weird. Definitely something deeper here. The Rockets have their number so I wouldnt mind facing them come playoff time.
 
Memphis parts ways with HC Taylor Jenkins

Unless something agregious comes out involving him, it's not a good look at all for the Grizz with 9 games remaining. Why I think must be more to story

Yeah, that fight on the sidelines with Bane was a little weird. Definitely something deeper here. The Rockets have their number so I wouldnt mind facing them come playoff time.

That is going to be tough. The Rockets will probably finish as the two or three. I don't see how the Grizz fall to six or seven with the Clippers, Lakers and Twolves being so uneven and the Warriors missing Steph.
 
Memphis parts ways with HC Taylor Jenkins

Unless something agregious comes out involving him, it's not a good look at all for the Grizz with 9 games remaining. Why I think must be more to story

Yeah, that fight on the sidelines with Bane was a little weird. Definitely something deeper here. The Rockets have their number so I wouldnt mind facing them come playoff time.

That is going to be tough. The Rockets will probably finish as the two or three. I don't see how the Grizz fall to six or seven with the Clippers, Lakers and Twolves being so uneven and the Warriors missing Steph.

You're right. I haven't looked at the standings lately as they were so bunched up just a week ago I didn't want to put too much thought into matchups. Houston really has put a large gap between them and the 4-6 seeds. As long as they dont draw GS, I'm happy.
 
The sale of the Celtics may not go through. Apparently, a private equity firm cannot be the majority shareholder of a franchise.

You think someone in the room of a $6.1 BILLION deal would have known and figured this out beforehand.
Maybe they thought they can deal with this issue during this process.
No chance this deal doesn't go through
 
Let's go Detroit!
Cleveland has picked an awful time to start slumping. I still think it’s unlikely for Boston to overtake them in the standings but I won’t be shocked if they do.

That would be an all time collapse. Up 5 games with 8 left.
I doubt BOS would want the one seed based on the projected matchups. I think they’d rather play the winner of NYK/MIL in round 2. Don’t think they would want to see DET or IND.
 
I was looking at the standings this evening and thinking through matchups, who has a realistic shot at the Finals and, ultimately, who could win it this year. So I've decided to put a top 10 ranking together, mostly for people to mock. One caveat, this is my "best bets to win an NBA championship" list, which takes potential opponents, experience and potential playoff rotation into account. Anyway, the list:

1. Boston Celtics - I'm honestly doing this because I believe they have the best chance due to one advantage over the next team, they play in the East. Boston has the same roster as last season, is healthy and playing well right now, so putting them anywhere but top 2 is foolhardy.

2. OKC Thunder - I think they are the best team but will have 2 tough series just to make the Finals plus they haven't even been to the WCF before, much less the Finals. Still they are a very, very good basketball team. Really more of a 1B, but this is 'Merica and we don't do ties, so #2 it is.

3. Cleveland Cavs - similar to Boston, they get a bump for only having one other legit contender to deal with. However, like the Thunder they've not even been to the ECF together yet and have also been in a slump, losing 5 of their last 8 games.

4. Denver Nuggets - Jokic should be MVP because he does more to help his team win than SGA. His supporting cast is playing better of late and unlike the 2 teams above them, they have done it before.

5. LA Lakers - this is the last of what I consider to be the "legit" contenders. The supporting cast isn't incredible and they likely won't have home court after the first round, but I just feel like LeBron and Luka are good enough to do something incredible together. (And I just threw up a little typing that)

6. GS Warriors - I consider them a dark horse because of Curry and Butler (and I guess Draymond and Kerr :yucky:). But I consider them a notch below LA and they won't have home court in any series and could even be a play-in team.

7. LA Clippers - Is Kawhi "back"? He's kinda been playing like it. Harden has quietly been decent all year and they've got a decent squad around them. A healthy Kawhi is a difference maker (2x Finals MVP) and in the 12 games he's played in March, he's put up all-NBA numbers. Not likely, but it's not crazy either.

8. Houston Rockets - putting the current WC 2 seed this low feels criminal and they are fun and play hard. But they have zero experience and effort play isn't as great an advantage in the playoffs (see: NY Knicks). I consider it more likely they lose in the first round than make the WCF, especially if they fall to the 3 or 4 spot. No way they can run the gauntlet in the West.

9. Milwaukee Bucks - On any given night, Giannis can single handedly win a game. Lillard can do the same on rare occasions. There is still some remnant of the team that won it all on the roster. That puncher's chance and the weaker East has me putting them here as a longshot with better odds than the rest.

10. Indiana Pacers - Originaly had NY Knicks here, but they can't beat good teams and will have to play Boston in round 2. Thought about Minny, but they are likely a play in team in the West and have been inconsistent. Pacers have an easier road and have played well lately and made the ECF last year. Somebody had to take this spot and they look like the prettiest dog at the dance.
 
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8. Milwaukee Bucks - On any given night, Giannis can single handedly win a game. Lillard can do the same on rare occasions.
Good rankings. I don’t disagree except with this one. Milwaukee is toast. Lillard is out for the year FYI
:doh:
I knew that.

I think I still would keep them over Indiana, but Houston should move up to 8.

ETA: updated the post

F minus. No Pistons, means no credit.
 
8. Milwaukee Bucks - On any given night, Giannis can single handedly win a game. Lillard can do the same on rare occasions.
Good rankings. I don’t disagree except with this one. Milwaukee is toast. Lillard is out for the year FYI
:doh:
I knew that.

I think I still would keep them over Indiana, but Houston should move up to 8.

ETA: updated the post

F minus. No Pistons, means no credit.
Thought about them briefly at 10, but they will likely stay at the 5 seed, Cade had been banged up and they've not even played in a playoff series since 2019.
 
I was looking at the standings this evening and thinking through matchups, who has a realistic shot at the Finals and, ultimately, who could win it this year. So I've decided to put a top 10 ranking together, mostly for people to mock. One caveat, this is my "best bets to win an NBA championship" list, which takes potential opponents, experience and potential playoff rotation into account. Anyway, the list:

1. Boston Celtics - I'm honestly doing this because I believe they have the best chance due to one advantage over the next team, they play in the East. Boston has the same roster as last season, is healthy and playing well right now, so putting them anywhere but top 2 is foolhardy.

2. OKC Thunder - I think they are the best team but will have 2 tough series just to make the Finals plus they haven't even been to the WCF before, much less the Finals. Still they are a very, very good basketball team. Really more of a 1B, but this is 'Merica and we don't do ties, so #2 it is.

3. Cleveland Cavs - similar to Boston, they get a bump for only having one other legit contender to deal with. However, like the Thunder they've not even been to the ECF together yet and have also been in a slump, losing 5 of their last 8 games.

4. Denver Nuggets - Jokic should be MVP because he does more to help his team win than SGA. His supporting cast is playing better of late and unlike the 2 teams above them, they have done it before.

5. LA Lakers - this is the last of what I consider to be the "legit" contenders. The supporting cast isn't incredible and they likely won't have home court after the first round, but I just feel like LeBron and Luka are good enough to do something incredible together. (And I just threw up a little typing that)

6. GS Warriors - I consider them a dark horse because of Curry and Butler (and I guess Draymond and Kerr :yucky:). But I consider them a notch below LA and they won't have home court in any series and could even be a play-in team.

7. LA Clippers - Is Kawhi "back"? He's kinda been playing like it. Harden has quietly been decent all year and they've got a decent squad around them. A healthy Kawhi is a difference maker (2x Finals MVP) and in the 12 games he's played in March, he's put up all-NBA numbers. Not likely, but it's not crazy either.

8. Houston Rockets - putting the current WC 2 seed this low feels criminal and they are fun and play hard. But they have zero experience and effort play isn't as great an advantage in the playoffs (see: NY Knicks). I consider it more likely they lose in the first round than make the WCF, especially if they fall to the 3 or 4 spot. No way they can run the gauntlet in the West.

9. Milwaukee Bucks - On any given night, Giannis can single handedly win a game. Lillard can do the same on rare occasions. There is still some remnant of the team that won it all on the roster. That puncher's chance and the weaker East has me putting them here as a longshot with better odds than the rest.

10. Indiana Pacers - Originaly had NY Knicks here, but they can't beat good teams and will have to play Boston in round 2. Thought about Minny, but they are likely a play in team in the West and have been inconsistent. Pacers have an easier road and have played well lately and made the ECF last year. Somebody had to take this spot and they look like the prettiest dog at the dance.
I agree with the top 4 and in that order. I think OKC and Cleveland have better betting odds than Denver but I personally would be less surprised if Denver won it all than either OKC or Cleveland actually winning it all. There seems to be something about getting there and learning/experiencing before you actually win it.
 
I haven't seen much evidence that the league knows how to stop the formula that Boston put together going into last year and then extended. Even worse, their core has more experience and we seem to be seeing some of their bench guys emerge.

Need to start taking a look at odds.
 
8. Milwaukee Bucks - On any given night, Giannis can single handedly win a game. Lillard can do the same on rare occasions.
Good rankings. I don’t disagree except with this one. Milwaukee is toast. Lillard is out for the year FYI
:doh:
I knew that.

I think I still would keep them over Indiana, but Houston should move up to 8.

ETA: updated the post

F minus. No Pistons, means no credit.
Thought about them briefly at 10, but they will likely stay at the 5 seed, Cade had been banged up and they've not even played in a playoff series since 2019.

Totally joking. This year us already a success for the Pistons. If they take their first round series to six or more games it is like any contender winning the title.
 
I haven't seen much evidence that the league knows how to stop the formula that Boston put together going into last year and then extended. Even worse, their core has more experience and we seem to be seeing some of their bench guys emerge.

Need to start taking a look at odds.
Yup, Baylor Scheierman is a nice luxury and Pritchard will be 6th man of the year plus Kornet has played great. Tatum has improved shot selection, playmaking and some better defensive focus.

The only step backwards was Holiday, Horford and Brown all put up lower numbers this season but they have all had flashes of greatness at times and were likely coasting during the regular season.
 
I haven't seen much evidence that the league knows how to stop the formula that Boston put together going into last year and then extended. Even worse, their core has more experience and we seem to be seeing some of their bench guys emerge.

Need to start taking a look at odds.
Yup, Baylor Scheierman is a nice luxury and Pritchard will be 6th man of the year plus Kornet has played great. Tatum has improved shot selection, playmaking and some better defensive focus.

The only step backwards was Holiday, Horford and Brown all put up lower numbers this season but they have all had flashes of greatness at times and were likely coasting during the regular season.
Is Horford like 45? It seems like he has been around FOREVER! And still playing well!
 

I missed the game, but why was Reid so upset about that foul?
The game was very physical to that point. A pistons player shoved Divencenzo after the witness the play before. The foul on Reid was just the boiling point.

Makes sense. Pistons play physical and it definitely can rub people the wrong way.

Donte concurs
 
For folks that believe teams with prior playoff experience matters, of the past 50 title winners, 43 of them had advanced to at least the conference finals in the three seasons prior to winning the title. Those teams were the following (and how they did the 3 seasons prior):

2020 Lakers (missed playoffs all 3 seasons)
2015 Warriors (lost in first round, lost in second round, missed playoffs)
2011 Mavericks (lost in first round, lost in second round, lost in first round)
2008 Celtics (missed playoffs, missed playoffs, lost in first round)
1999 Spurs (lost second round, missed playoffs, lost second round)
1994 Rockets (lost second round, missed playoffs, lost first round)
1977 Trailblazers (missed playoffs all 3 seasons)
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In seasons with 3 teams winning 60 games (or equivalent winning%) . . . (BOS needs to go 5-3 the rest of the way to hit 60):

2020: MIL 63* (Lost 2nd round), TOR 60* (Lost 2nd round), LAL 60* (Won title)
2009: CLE 66 (Lost ECF), LAL 65 (Won title), BOS 62 (Lost 2nd round)
2006: DET 64 (Lost ECF), SAS 63 (Lost 2nd round), DAL 60 (Lost in Finals) (MIA 52 won title with 5th best record)
1998: UTA 62 (Lost in Finals), CHI 62 (Won title), SEA 61 (Lost 2nd round), LAL 61 (Lost WCF)
1997: CHI 69 (Won title), UTA 64 (Lost Finals), MIA 61 (Lost ECF)
1996: CHI 72 (Won title), SEA 64 (Lost Finals), ORL 60 (Lost ECF)
1981: BOS 62 (Won title), PHI 62 (Lost ECF), MIL 60 (Lost 2nd round)
1973: BOS 68 (Lost ECF), LAL 60 (Lost in Finals), MIL 60 (Lost 1st round) (NYK 57 won title with 4th best record)
__________

Here are the teams that have 65 wins in a season and how they did in the postseason. (OKC needs to go 3-5 and CLE needs to go 5-2 to get 65.) Back in the day, winning 65 games almost made teams a lock to win the chip. But lately, that hasn't quite been the case.

2018 HOU: 65 (Lost WCF)
2017 GSW: 67 (Won title)
2016 GSW: 73 (Lost Finals)
2016 SAS: 67 (Lost 2nd round)
2015 GSW: 67 (Won title)
2013 MIA: 66 (Won title)
2009 CLE: 66 (Lost ECF)
2009 LAL: 65 (Won title)
2008 BOS: 66 (Won title)
2007 DAL: 67 (Lost 1st round)
2000: LAL 67 (Won title)
1997 CHI: 69 (Won title)
1996 CHI: 72 (Won title)
1992 CHI: 67 (Won title)
1987 LAL: 65 (Won title)
1986 BOS: 67 (Won title)
1983 PHI: 65 (Won title)
1973 BOS: 68 (Lost ECF)
1972 LAL: 69 (Won title)
1971 MIL: 66 (Won title)
1967 PHI: 68 (Won title)
 
For folks that believe teams with prior playoff experience matters, of the past 50 title winners, 43 of them had advanced to at least the conference finals in the three seasons prior to winning the title. Those teams were the following (and how they did the 3 seasons prior):

2020 Lakers (missed playoffs all 3 seasons)
2015 Warriors (lost in first round, lost in second round, missed playoffs)
2011 Mavericks (lost in first round, lost in second round, lost in first round)
2008 Celtics (missed playoffs, missed playoffs, lost in first round)
1999 Spurs (lost second round, missed playoffs, lost second round)
1994 Rockets (lost second round, missed playoffs, lost first round)
1977 Trailblazers (missed playoffs all 3 seasons)
__________

In seasons with 3 teams winning 60 games (or equivalent winning%) . . . (BOS needs to go 5-3 the rest of the way to hit 60):

2020: MIL 63* (Lost 2nd round), TOR 60* (Lost 2nd round), LAL 60* (Won title)
2009: CLE 66 (Lost ECF), LAL 65 (Won title), BOS 62 (Lost 2nd round)
2006: DET 64 (Lost ECF), SAS 63 (Lost 2nd round), DAL 60 (Lost in Finals) (MIA 52 won title with 5th best record)
1998: UTA 62 (Lost in Finals), CHI 62 (Won title), SEA 61 (Lost 2nd round), LAL 61 (Lost WCF)
1997: CHI 69 (Won title), UTA 64 (Lost Finals), MIA 61 (Lost ECF)
1996: CHI 72 (Won title), SEA 64 (Lost Finals), ORL 60 (Lost ECF)
1981: BOS 62 (Won title), PHI 62 (Lost ECF), MIL 60 (Lost 2nd round)
1973: BOS 68 (Lost ECF), LAL 60 (Lost in Finals), MIL 60 (Lost 1st round) (NYK 57 won title with 4th best record)
__________

Here are the teams that have 65 wins in a season and how they did in the postseason. (OKC needs to go 3-5 and CLE needs to go 5-2 to get 65.) Back in the day, winning 65 games almost made teams a lock to win the chip. But lately, that hasn't quite been the case.

2018 HOU: 65 (Lost WCF)
2017 GSW: 67 (Won title)
2016 GSW: 73 (Lost Finals)
2016 SAS: 67 (Lost 2nd round)
2015 GSW: 67 (Won title)
2013 MIA: 66 (Won title)
2009 CLE: 66 (Lost ECF)
2009 LAL: 65 (Won title)
2008 BOS: 66 (Won title)
2007 DAL: 67 (Lost 1st round)
2000: LAL 67 (Won title)
1997 CHI: 69 (Won title)
1996 CHI: 72 (Won title)
1992 CHI: 67 (Won title)
1987 LAL: 65 (Won title)
1986 BOS: 67 (Won title)
1983 PHI: 65 (Won title)
1973 BOS: 68 (Lost ECF)
1972 LAL: 69 (Won title)
1971 MIL: 66 (Won title)
1967 PHI: 68 (Won title)

Those teams that did win without making the conference finals had a lot similarities to title teams other than than maybe the 1977 Blazers.
 
Celtics win without Brown for their 9th in a row and 6th straight on this road trip. Boston had never before won 6 or more straight on a road trip before...in their entire history.

Grizzlies effort and focus is off. They still have flashes with the talent of Ja, JJJ and Bane but can't sustain good basketball long enough.

And a side note, one of the refs got hurt and they officiated the rest of the game with only 2 officials, one of whom was Tony Brothers. They definitely "let them play" a bit.
 
Lakers trading for Finney-Smith was such a good move by them. He was huge tonight and really helps them go small ball (since they basically have to).
 
Lakers trading for Finney-Smith was such a good move by them. He was huge tonight and really helps them go small ball (since they basically have to).

Yeah, him and Vincent won that game for them....Jalen Green continues to disappoint me in marquee matchups. He's great against the Wizards of the world but always seems to disappear when needed most. I just don't have a good feeling about him when Playoff time rolls around.
 
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