2024 Cowboys Season Thread - We even suck at tanking. (1 Viewer)

[Soulfly3]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

 

[Terpman22]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

 

[Soulfly3]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

 

[Gatorade]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

 

[Terpman22]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

 

[Ray_T]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The pressure in Dallas, especially the QB is immense. At this point, all the hype, glitz and glamor of the Dallas Cowboys is a detriment. Every single team n the league gets up for their games against them. Almost everyone of them are nationally televised or prime time.

For nearly their entire existence, they have been perennial choking dogs. Even Staubach‘s boys were chokers. Only Aikman and his boys had the stuff.

 

[Terpman22]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

 

[Terpman22]

The pressure in Dallas, especially the QB is immense. At this point, all the hype, glitz and glamor of the Dallas Cowboys is a detriment. Every single team n the league gets up for their games against them. Almost everyone of them are nationally televised or prime time.

For nearly their entire existence, they have been perennial choking dogs. Even Staubach‘s boys were chokers. Only Aikman and his boys had the stuff.

I agree with a lot of this. How do you correct this? Some, like me say, the fact that you are already a Cowboy "makes you famous" and players seem to, to a degree, not care as much about winning. Subjective of course, but I agree with the premise the pressure to perform is there. But any player has the ability to tune out stuff if they really want to, at the same time.

Star players having their own podcasts etc. would lend itself to my theory about them already being famous etc and its easy to say "this guy is more focused on this/that, instead of winning"

Multi edged sword being a Cowboy player though, for sure. i can't argue against that.

 

[Ray_T]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

are you sure about this? googled it. it doesnt say who owns the stadium but Jerry paid an awful lot of cash, the municipality of Arlington paid around 325M I think Jerry paid most of the rest but who owns it? not sure. one way or another that stadium still needs to be paid for. it aint free. and filling the stadium is the best way to get value for the money spent.

 

[Terpman22]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

are you sure about this? googled it. it doesnt say who owns the stadium but Jerry paid an awful lot of cash, the municipality of Arlington paid around 325M I think Jerry paid most of the rest but who owns it? not sure. one way or another that stadium still needs to be paid for. it aint free. and filling the stadium is the best way to get value for the money spent.

Jones pays a paltry $2m a year to rent it from the City of Arlington

How Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones turned a money-losing team into a $10 billion empire

He’s a master salesman who’s unafraid to challenge the way things are done. And in the process, he’s left an imprint on North Texas.

www.dallasnews.com

 

[nightmare]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

are you sure about this? googled it. it doesnt say who owns the stadium but Jerry paid an awful lot of cash, the municipality of Arlington paid around 325M I think Jerry paid most of the rest but who owns it? not sure. one way or another that stadium still needs to be paid for. it aint free. and filling the stadium is the best way to get value for the money spent.

Arlington owns the stadium. 2023 appraised value was just under $1.5 Billion.

 

[Terpman22]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

are you sure about this? googled it. it doesnt say who owns the stadium but Jerry paid an awful lot of cash, the municipality of Arlington paid around 325M I think Jerry paid most of the rest but who owns it? not sure. one way or another that stadium still needs to be paid for. it aint free. and filling the stadium is the best way to get value for the money spent.

Arlington owns the stadium. 2023 appraised value was just under $1.5 Billion.

So Jerry isn't paying for the stadium, just $2m per year to rent. Gets the naming rights. Makes money as revenue sharing part of the NFL. Most valued sports franchise in the world. Begs the question "why is he so cheap spending money on the team"

 

[nightmare]

no idea how dallas stays this relevant.

Branding is a helluva drug

Winning is an even bigger drug... And they refuse to do it

They win just enough to keep you interested and hopeful

I think what fans don't realize that is true are 2 things

1. Not every player is in it for the glory, a lot of professional athletes realize they are just great at the sport they become pros at and can become VERY rich doing it. Its just a job to some. Fans seem to not want to accept this fact at all and the moment a player says something along these lines, they get crucified.

2. Not every Owner has a team to put up banners and championships. If you get your money in on a pro sports team, unless its the WNBA, you are going to vastly increase your fortune over time. NFL, NBA, MLB. All Cash cows. Soccer might soon be there too.

Jerry is an enigma in these regards bc "He has won" but IMO doesn't feel he gets enough credit b/c Jimmy J was the one that made the moves that got those Super Bowls. Hence him being a meddling owner/GM, the only one of its kind in the league. He also is a VERY egotistical guy, so you gotta factor that in as well as how much he loves to be "famous"

well, Jerry also has that brand new stadium. each year the team makes the playoffs thats a pile of cash coming in and he needs the cash to payoff that insane stadium. while its easy to say Jerry should do this or that, the bottom line is if he can keep paying Dak and the team continues making the playoffs that's probably the way he will go. when you miss the playoffs, attnedance wont be as good. he knows this. and to some degree this is also a business for him. so I would not be surprised to see him pay dak to keep him. but the term may be shorter than Dak wants.

Jerry Jones doesn't own the stadium though.

are you sure about this? googled it. it doesnt say who owns the stadium but Jerry paid an awful lot of cash, the municipality of Arlington paid around 325M I think Jerry paid most of the rest but who owns it? not sure. one way or another that stadium still needs to be paid for. it aint free. and filling the stadium is the best way to get value for the money spent.

Arlington owns the stadium. 2023 appraised value was just under $1.5 Billion.

So Jerry isn't paying for the stadium, just $2m per year to rent. Gets the naming rights. Makes money as revenue sharing part of the NFL. Most valued sports franchise in the world. Begs the question "why is he so cheap spending money on the team"

The man has a lot of family on the payroll. The family keeps the money.

 

[Bankerguy]

I’m gonna suggest someone else start the season thread. I can’t stand this team, QB, coach or front office.

Just garbage.

 

[dickey moe]

I’m gonna suggest someone else start the season thread. I can’t stand this team, QB, coach or front office.

Just garbage.

At this point we're holding on to the increasingly faded glory of the early-90s squad and not much else. I feel about the same right now as I did around the tail-end of the Romo-era - the team has talent but I hold no expectations that they are capable of winning a Super Bowl.

 

[Ack88]

I’m gonna suggest someone else start the season thread. I can’t stand this team, QB, coach or front office.

Just garbage.

At this point we're holding on to the increasingly faded glory of the early-90s squad and not much else. I feel about the same right now as I did around the tail-end of the Romo-era - the team has talent but I hold no expectations that they are capable of winning a Super Bowl.

I think we are headed towards a 9-8 season and even money to miss the playoffs. The roster is depleted from last year and the Giants and Commanders will be better- those were 4 layup games last year. Schedule is also fairly tough.

 

[Hastur]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

And so it begins

 

[Terpman22]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

Bummer. TC injuries still, the worst.

When the Cowboys lets a couple of pretty productive role player pass rushers walk this offseason (Armstrong and Fowler) I asked my brother Cowboys fan "what the plan was" at pass rusher. He literally said it was time for Sam Williams to step up. This was before they drafted Kneeland (who I like).

Curious what you guys think the Pass rush depth looks like right now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

8.5 sacks and 16 QB Hits over his first 2 seasons, 2nd rd pick, ended up 5th in the AP DRoTY in '22
It won't be the last time we see this not just with Dallas but many other teams around the league.
I'm sure Dallas was hoping to see a leap forward into a starting role or pushing for even more playing time.
Edge rushers are hard to replace.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

Bummer. TC injuries still, the worst.

When the Cowboys lets a couple of pretty productive role player pass rushers walk this offseason (Armstrong and Fowler) I asked my brother Cowboys fan "what the plan was" at pass rusher. He literally said it was time for Sam Williams to step up. This was before they drafted Kneeland (who I like).

Curious what you guys think the Pass rush depth looks like right now.

The starters are Demarcus Lawrence and Micah Parsons - Sam Williams is entering his 3rd year and will likely be out for the year. I don't believe he has been the player we thought he could be, which is why they drafted Marshawn Kneeland pretty early. My best assessment of everyone behind those 4 is a bunch of young, raw, players.

Tyrus Wheat would probably be the project we would like to step in for some relief work but he was a 3rd or 4th round guy and pretty raw at the time we took him.

 

[Terpman22]

First injury of camp. Looks like DE Sam Williams is out for the year.

Bummer. TC injuries still, the worst.

When the Cowboys lets a couple of pretty productive role player pass rushers walk this offseason (Armstrong and Fowler) I asked my brother Cowboys fan "what the plan was" at pass rusher. He literally said it was time for Sam Williams to step up. This was before they drafted Kneeland (who I like).

Curious what you guys think the Pass rush depth looks like right now.

The starters are Demarcus Lawrence and Micah Parsons - Sam Williams is entering his 3rd year and will likely be out for the year. I don't believe he has been the player we thought he could be, which is why they drafted Marshawn Kneeland pretty early. My best assessment of everyone behind those 4 is a bunch of young, raw, players.

Tyrus Wheat would probably be the project we would like to step in for some relief work but he was a 3rd or 4th round guy and pretty raw at the time we took him.

Big Lawrence fan. Feel he is kinda your guys version of Brandon Graham. Doesn't get enough respect bc the sack numbers aren't there, but just a very very good player vs both the run and the pass.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Smith on Guyton

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Is Zeke really the starter? How do y’all see the distribution of touches breaking down for the running backs?

 

[Ack88]

Is Zeke really the starter? How do y’all see the distribution of touches breaking down for the running backs?

Zeke knows the system and is excellent in pass protection. Cowboys play fast and lean pass. He’ll see 60% of the RB opportunity.

Dowdle is a respectable RB 2 with more burst than Zeke, but doesn’t do the other things- like pass protection and blitz pickup like Zeke does, but will see 35% of the RB opportunity.

The other 5% will come primarily from Deuce Vaughn, who will be part of a limited set of packages.

 

[Deamon]

Is Zeke really the starter? How do y’all see the distribution of touches breaking down for the running backs?

Zeke knows the system and is excellent in pass protection. Cowboys play fast and lean pass. He’ll see 60% of the RB opportunity.

Dowdle is a respectable RB 2 with more burst than Zeke, but doesn’t do the other things- like pass protection and blitz pickup like Zeke does, but will see 35% of the RB opportunity.

The other 5% will come primarily from Deuce Vaughn, who will be part of a limited set of packages.

I agree, though it seems many people think Dowdle will take over. He's been drafted ahead of Zeke now in most of my bestball leagues.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Is Zeke really the starter? How do y’all see the distribution of touches breaking down for the running backs?

Zeke knows the system and is excellent in pass protection. Cowboys play fast and lean pass. He’ll see 60% of the RB opportunity.

Dowdle is a respectable RB 2 with more burst than Zeke, but doesn’t do the other things- like pass protection and blitz pickup like Zeke does, but will see 35% of the RB opportunity.

The other 5% will come primarily from Deuce Vaughn, who will be part of a limited set of packages.

I agree, though it seems many people think Dowdle will take over. He's been drafted ahead of Zeke now in most of my bestball leagues.

Someone (a Cowboys homer) in my keep-4 auction league decided to keep Dowdle instead of Jamo, saving about $4 by doing so. Probably not what I would have done.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

DT incoming

 

[Cowboysfan8]

and a DE

 

[Hastur]

and a DE

DT incoming

We transformed our depth at DL within 24 hours. Not bad.

I hope RB is next!

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry never stop adding top notch talent - I tell ya.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Mazi

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I have not paid much attention to this team since they blew chunks again but I’ve seen enough reels of the two new guys Guyton and Beebe to think the line may be pretty nasty.

If your team strength is identifying and developing OLmen, FFS, just draft them every year!

 

[Chaos34]

I have not paid much attention to this team since they blew chunks again but I’ve seen enough reels of the two new guys Guyton and Beebe to think the line may be pretty nasty.

If your team strength is identifying and developing OLmen, FFS, just draft them every year!

Yup. Fingers crossed but both Guyton and Beebe look elite. Beebe had some difficulty with the snap transitioning to center, but he seems to have overcome them and is running with the ones. Guyton's been stoning Micah through camp, had no issue with everything the Rams threw at him for a couple days, handled Crosby just fine and gets Garrett week one. Fingers crossed.

 

[Bankerguy]

Early on, our draft class looks quite solid.

I’m still just NOT super excited though - I think I am just over the general circus/spectacle we are as a franchise and our mostly incompetent FO.

 

[Bankerguy]

If anyone wants a treat - please watch Guyton’s ALL 22 from the Raiders game.

 

[Terpman22]

If anyone wants a treat - please watch Guyton’s ALL 22 from the Raiders game.

He looks like a stud. Good draft pick here. The Cowboys can draft pretty well

 

[Bankerguy]

Lival Joseph - come on down!!!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Lival Joseph - come on down!!!

Looks like Zim isn’t a fan of Mazi

 

[Football Jones]

Things are about to change for the better on offense. The Boys are going to have a dominant OL again very soon. Both Guyton and Beebe are going to be studs.

 

[Chaos34]

Daron Bland having foot surgery. He's gonna miss some time.

x.com

x.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Daron Bland having foot surgery. He's gonna miss some time.

x.com

x.com

Brutal loss for Dallas.

Wonder if they’ll bring back Kearse.

 

[Hastur]

Trey played the entire preseason game 3, and threw 5 interceptions. Oof

 

[Gatorade]

Trey played the entire preseason game 3, and threw 5 interceptions. Oof

Looked a lot better than any of the RBs. Maybe he needs a position change.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Deuce Vaughn better make the team and be involved in the game plan every week

 

[Hastur]

CeeDee with a 4 year, $136 million contract.

 

[Bankerguy]

CeeDee with a 4 year, $136 million contract.

Good, then try to get Parsons done.
Let Dak walk next year.

 

[Bankerguy]

I think there might be interesting names with final cuts that Dallas could look at.

James Houston - Detroit

I also think some decent backs might get let go.

 

[ZADO]

How outa shape do people think he is ?