Leroy Hoard
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BNL > SOL
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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (2 Viewers)
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Moonlight
Footballguy
We saw that type of thing happen more than once last year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Next Gen Stats overhead
Jared Goff & Brock Wright (51-yd game-winning TD)
On 4th & inches, Wright had 10.7 yards of separation from the nearest defender when the pass arrived. Wright was expected to gain 31 yards after the catch, 2nd-most on any reception this season.
Jared Goff & Brock Wright (51-yd game-winning TD)
On 4th & inches, Wright had 10.7 yards of separation from the nearest defender when the pass arrived. Wright was expected to gain 31 yards after the catch, 2nd-most on any reception this season.
Deamon
Footballguy
Wouldn't you rather the better team/team most likely to win more remaining games to win that game?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The one game at a time motif seems to fit this team. Onward and upward.
Moonlight
Footballguy
History repeats itself. But I'm not going to say SOL.
Mt. Man
Footballguy
Another tie >.> In a way, seriously, since then though each of them would be effectively 8-6, we'd beat either on tiebreakers at 9-8 (/8-7-2) or 10-7 (/9-6-2)
As others have pointed out (waves to BobbyLayne): Giants playing MIN, IND, and PHI. Washington with SF, CLE and DAL. So both should lose next week, will have beatable teams Wk17, and face divisional opponents Wk18 whose playoffs spot will likely be locked in by then.
Commies with the slightly tougher road (assuming wk18 means nothing for PHI), but Giants more prime to freefall. It's probably better for Giants to win, and then root for Dallas to lose next week, so that the Cowboys might worry more about their spot Wk 18. Philly would have to lose out to worry about not having #1 seed now. But the "easiest" road is for the Lions to win out and have the Seahawks lose once.
Moonlight
Footballguy
When the Lions were 1-6 Campbell and the Lions program were being compared to the rebuilding Giants and Jets and not in a good way. Both the Giants and Jets were showing marked improvement with very good records.
Not taking anything away from those programs but since then the Lions have now shown much improvement and are building momentum including wins over the Giants and Jets on the road.
Not taking anything away from those programs but since then the Lions have now shown much improvement and are building momentum including wins over the Giants and Jets on the road.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
3 games left, looking forward to a fun finish. 
That depends. How many do you expect Seattle to lose. Will the Lions go 3-0 or 2-1? Do you want the 6th or 7th seed? The real preference is for a tie. Otherwise there is benefit either way.
Deamon
Footballguy
Good questions. I think at this point you can't hope for 6/7. Gotta just go in. Actually think 7 would be better, but that's a moot point.
I think Seattle is totally done.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good to see you say that. 22 year old stats mean nothing.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Panthers - Bears - Packers. Still need to run the table but it just got one game easier. 
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Reminded me of the Vikings game except swap Jefferson for Garrett Wilson.
Winning ugly is a beautiful thing.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Yes it did. However yesterday proved that every game is a battle and even seemingly weak teams can show up any given Sunday. Washington having SF, Cleveland, and Dallas provides some comfort. NYG with MIN, IND, PHI won’t be easy either. May come down to a photo finish. We sweep and it is hard to picture us not getting in.Panthers - Bears - Packers. Still need to run the table but it just got one game easier.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Observations...
-The old Lions would have lost yesterday and there would have been a lot of coulda woulda shoulda
-Like Dan Campbell said "The city is tired of excuses" and right now in Year 2 of the rebuild
They are sitting at .500 with everything on the table and 3 weeks left, 3 games to go, 3 more bites at the apple
-Team is starting to look loaded at some positions and also some bubbling superstars, still more draft resources on the way in 2023
WR when Jameson is up to full speed...ARSB/Jameson, Chark/Reynolds and the rest are pretty solid role players, Goff has a lot to work with when he drops back.
RB-1/2 punch at RB right now that can make big plays and slam the ball up inside when need be
Hutch and Okudah are exciting rising stars on the defense. I know Okudah can get burned sometimes but I think he lost a lot if not all his rookie season
He's still learning is what I am saying.
The OL is pretty strong as well, helps with all the skill spots.
at Car...don't sleep on these cats
CHICAGO...lost 7 in a row but they have a weapon at QB
at Green Bay...if you win a couple more and climb your way to 9-7, Aaron Rodgers awaits.
10-7 or Bust!
Cheers!
-The old Lions would have lost yesterday and there would have been a lot of coulda woulda shoulda
-Like Dan Campbell said "The city is tired of excuses" and right now in Year 2 of the rebuild
They are sitting at .500 with everything on the table and 3 weeks left, 3 games to go, 3 more bites at the apple
-Team is starting to look loaded at some positions and also some bubbling superstars, still more draft resources on the way in 2023
WR when Jameson is up to full speed...ARSB/Jameson, Chark/Reynolds and the rest are pretty solid role players, Goff has a lot to work with when he drops back.
RB-1/2 punch at RB right now that can make big plays and slam the ball up inside when need be
Hutch and Okudah are exciting rising stars on the defense. I know Okudah can get burned sometimes but I think he lost a lot if not all his rookie season
He's still learning is what I am saying.
The OL is pretty strong as well, helps with all the skill spots.
at Car...don't sleep on these cats
CHICAGO...lost 7 in a row but they have a weapon at QB
at Green Bay...if you win a couple more and climb your way to 9-7, Aaron Rodgers awaits.
10-7 or Bust!
Cheers!
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Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be playing week 18, most likely
Yes it did. However yesterday proved that every game is a battle and even seemingly weak teams can show up any given Sunday. Washington having SF, Cleveland, and Dallas provides some comfort. NYG with MIN, IND, PHI won’t be easy either. May come down to a photo finish. We sweep and it is hard to picture us not getting in.Panthers - Bears - Packers. Still need to run the table but it just got one game easier.
If GB wins out, and that includes beating Detroit, they have a shot a the wild card. So we could see Rogers.
Now Hurts will certainly be sitting out most of week 18, so the Giants are in really good position to go 2-1 and wrapping up the 6th spot. Losing to Minn then beating Indy and then Phily in week 18, fininishing 10-6-1. It may have been a blessing for the Lions that they won last night.
Looking at the schedule, the Commanders have the worst schedule having to play both SF and Dallas in probably meaningful games for them, with the Browns sandwiched in between. 1-2 is highly probable, so 8-8-1.
Seattle schedule is not easy...at KC, then the Jets and Rams at home. This could easily go 1-2 or 2-1, which is the biggest variable if the Lions need to go 3-0 or 2-1.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Absolutely agree but we are desperate for some success here. I think we also really like the staff and players, has a real Detroit feel. Lots of castoffs or guys overlooked or coaches that maybe were labeled as unfit. The team is doing it the right way and seems to be following a plan.
Chaka
Footballguy
As an organization they are very easy to root for ATM.
Plus it is sustainable. Almost all young kids on rookie contracts, not a bunch of big contract and hired guns. The Lions not only have young talent, but decent cap space and very healthy amount of draft capitol. Should have a solid stretch of 5 years of winning football, and no one was expecting anything thise season.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
One thing is the way they got to .500. They started 1-6 and the only talk back then was who they should draft with their top 5 pick. Now the only draft talk is who they should get with the Rams top 5 draft pick.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Draft wise it helps if the Rams lose, but it might be good to have GB already officially eliminated by the last game of the season. Jordan Love time!
It would kind of suck going into Green Bay with the winner getting the 7th spot especially if it is an ice bowl.
Fixed.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I can only speak for myself, but it’s mainly because we haven’t arrived at 7-7 by being utterly average all along the way. We are young and inexperienced, but turned a corner and are now 6 wins in 7 games. It’s hopefully the seedlings of something sustainable because for the first time I have faith in the GM and the infrastructure below him. We have cap room, look like we are building from good drafts and have more capital in this up and coming one. It’s logical theory to see why we might just continue to improve from this point on for a good few years. Not saying it will happen, just that there’s logical reasons to think that we will, which is more than can be said for previous regimes, some of which had some decent teams but there was never a moment where the whole axis of GM-HC-coordinators-players was all working well with good quality at all levels.
skillz
Footballguy
The other factor here is the other Detroit pro sports teams have been awful. Not much winning by Pistons, Tigers and Red Wings - although the Wings have a bright future. We are just a fan base that is starving for a winning pro sports team that can be relevant. Plus Campbell and this team are good people to root for - real blue collar mentality that the city loves.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Rams pick currently sitting back at the 4 spot.
On road at Broncos Russ back, he looked better last game and their D is good. Think Broncos win
Home to Chargers. Have to expect/hope Chargers win here
Home to Seahawks. Hopefully Seahawks fighting for that playoff place ( and losing out
).
With any luck they lose their last 3
On road at Broncos Russ back, he looked better last game and their D is good. Think Broncos win
Home to Chargers. Have to expect/hope Chargers win here
Home to Seahawks. Hopefully Seahawks fighting for that playoff place ( and losing out
). With any luck they lose their last 3
rzrback77
Footballguy
As a non-Lion fan, their season and potential playoff appearance is exciting because of several factors:
- Big pre-season buildup destroyed by terrible start, but they turned it around
- Their offensive line is great and they can both run and pass
- Their lengthy run being bad makes the turnaround even more fun, similar to a basketball underdog in the NCAA tourney on a neutral court
- Their defense has played so much better
- Campbell’s leadership and his history
- Goff’s play
- They are a just a team that is fun to watch and easy to like
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well if the team was 1-2, then 3-4, then 5-6 and then hit 7-7 the answer is no.
Only 1 team in NFL history has started 1-6 and made the playoffs. So this is kind of exciting to be 7-7 after being 4-19 the previous 23 games.
They also went through a stretch of having a ton of guys injured during that 1-6 stretch, and are now pretty healthy. Even ignoring the improvement of the young players, and players understanding the schemes better, they're a much more talented team than they were 7 weeks ago.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Poster on Twitch came up with this ML parlay, Lions+KC+SF+Denver. He's only getting around +380 but if it hits Lions are the temp #7 seed and Rams pick goes to #3.
Add the Quinntricia era and it makes this run even more exciting.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
In the 1990s the Buccaneers nearly sold out a game at Tampa stadium because they had a chance to win and finish the season at 8-8. No playoffs. Just a chance to finish .500 after 12-ish years of losing seasons. The Sombrero held 72,000 seats and games would normally get 25-30,000 people. This one had close to 70,000. I was there.
They lost, of course. But a couple years later they hired Tony Dungy and that changed everything.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
C Frank Ragnow was the only Lion to make the Pro Bowl.
9 alternates:
9 alternates:
- QB Jared Goff
- WR ARSB
- RB Jamaal Williams
- FB Jason Cabinda? 6g 78 snaps OK
- RT Penei Sewell
- LT Taylor Decker
- LG Jonah Jackson
- Edge Aidan Hutchinson
- KR Kalif Raymond
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kerby Joseph led all SS in the fan voting but not even an alternate
Nice to see all 4 OL starters get recognition
(RG has been a revolving door - down to 5th string on Thanksgiving but now backup C Evan Brown is solid)
Kind of thought CB Jeff Okudah had a chance but his strength is setting the edge and it’s all about being a cover guy
Nice to see all 4 OL starters get recognition
(RG has been a revolving door - down to 5th string on Thanksgiving but now backup C Evan Brown is solid)
Kind of thought CB Jeff Okudah had a chance but his strength is setting the edge and it’s all about being a cover guy
Criminal that Sewell and Amon-Ra are not pro-bowlers. A good case could be made for Goff too. Only one QB in the NFC had a great season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions Free Agent resigning?
UFA
• Chark - only is we’re staying in the 2 for $24M range, don’t see him as a LT asset.
• Jamaal - team friendly deal or let him go get his bag somewhere else. We got excellent value the last two years but third contract RBs rarely work out well. It's a devalued position and the easiest skill position to find replacement level.
• Hughes - no simply a below replacement level backup
• Anzalone - yes, one of the more improved players
• Brown - yes, great depth piece at C and has been a very good RG. He’s going to be in demand & probably won’t be back.
• Board - yes great special teamer
• Woods - yes good special teamer
• Elliott - indifferent, plays a lot of snaps but not a difference maker IMO
• Sudfield - no; either draft a QB or upgrade to a real backup if possible
• Jackson - at the right price, yes, he has played well + STer
• Buggs - oh hell yes
• Will Harris - no, too inconsistent, but his second half has been much better
• Cominsky - absolutely resign
• Onwuariye - absolutely not
Biggest Q on a lot of these is at what price. Feels like we’ll keep one of Buggs or Cominsky.
RFA
• Skipper - great story but tbh he hasn't been awesome when he has played
• Bryant - buh bye
• Nelson - pretty good swing T and 6th OL in 13 sets but hasn't stayed healthy
• Benson - nope
• Price - no thanks
ERFA
• Awosika - yes, keep developing
• Benito Jones - indifferent
• Kraemer - indifferent
• Wright - yes, keep developing
• Daly - 100% yes
• Pittman - yes, good ST guy
UFA
• Chark - only is we’re staying in the 2 for $24M range, don’t see him as a LT asset.
• Jamaal - team friendly deal or let him go get his bag somewhere else. We got excellent value the last two years but third contract RBs rarely work out well. It's a devalued position and the easiest skill position to find replacement level.
• Hughes - no simply a below replacement level backup
• Anzalone - yes, one of the more improved players
• Brown - yes, great depth piece at C and has been a very good RG. He’s going to be in demand & probably won’t be back.
• Board - yes great special teamer
• Woods - yes good special teamer
• Elliott - indifferent, plays a lot of snaps but not a difference maker IMO
• Sudfield - no; either draft a QB or upgrade to a real backup if possible
• Jackson - at the right price, yes, he has played well + STer
• Buggs - oh hell yes
• Will Harris - no, too inconsistent, but his second half has been much better
• Cominsky - absolutely resign
• Onwuariye - absolutely not
Biggest Q on a lot of these is at what price. Feels like we’ll keep one of Buggs or Cominsky.
RFA
• Skipper - great story but tbh he hasn't been awesome when he has played
• Bryant - buh bye
• Nelson - pretty good swing T and 6th OL in 13 sets but hasn't stayed healthy
• Benson - nope
• Price - no thanks
ERFA
• Awosika - yes, keep developing
• Benito Jones - indifferent
• Kraemer - indifferent
• Wright - yes, keep developing
• Daly - 100% yes
• Pittman - yes, good ST guy
I don't see anyone paying Chark more than $10 million a year, and quite frankly his production the last several years do not justify more. He really earned his check in a couple games and his speed makes him a dangerous combo with Jamo, so I like his fit here. Anything around 2 year, $20 million is a good signing. But we have enough depth to let him walk otherwise.
Jamaal is similar, but target about $5-6 million per for 2 years. I don't see too many teams pounding the door for him either, but a solid fit in our offense.
Anzalone...our leading tackler, seems to be everywhere. Coverage weakness has not shown up as much. A position we are too shallow in. Maybe our highest priority.
Buggs/Cominski....two important pieces in what has lately become the defenses strength. They will be resi
Jackson...great value at near league minimum, but may bump up to $2 million. No reason not to sign him at that price. Solid depth and and provides explosiveness. Good 3rd down back and emergency backup.
Brown is a depth piece for us, but other teams may see him as a starter, so he will get a better offer somewhere else.
Nobody else is worthy anything more than league minimum and can walk, except for maybe Skipper.
I see us having one big defensive FA signing, probably secondary. Then
I can see us drafting in roughly this order, with the first pick being the most studly defensive player available:
2 CBs
1 DL
1 QB
1 LB
1 RB/TE
1 K
Jamaal is similar, but target about $5-6 million per for 2 years. I don't see too many teams pounding the door for him either, but a solid fit in our offense.
Anzalone...our leading tackler, seems to be everywhere. Coverage weakness has not shown up as much. A position we are too shallow in. Maybe our highest priority.
Buggs/Cominski....two important pieces in what has lately become the defenses strength. They will be resi
Jackson...great value at near league minimum, but may bump up to $2 million. No reason not to sign him at that price. Solid depth and and provides explosiveness. Good 3rd down back and emergency backup.
Brown is a depth piece for us, but other teams may see him as a starter, so he will get a better offer somewhere else.
Nobody else is worthy anything more than league minimum and can walk, except for maybe Skipper.
I see us having one big defensive FA signing, probably secondary. Then
I can see us drafting in roughly this order, with the first pick being the most studly defensive player available:
2 CBs
1 DL
1 QB
1 LB
1 RB/TE
1 K
