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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (1 Viewer)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Dumped 5 million in salary and got a 5th round pick this year. He may have been a cut anyways.
Seems like a reasonable move for both teams. Okudah wasn't working out in Detroit and was never going to be extended, and the Falcons are trading basically a nothing pick for a former top-5 pick who may benefit from a change of scenery.
Most likely outcome is the change of scenery helps a bit, but Okudah is just not a good player. Maybe he can be a decent #3 behind AJ Terrell and Casey Hayward for them?
The $5 million in cap room is huge imo.
To be fair to them on this one issue, Okudah was seen as maybe the best CB prospect in a decade when he came out and had one of the worst injuries a player can have.
That said, if they were honest with where the team was, they would have traded Stafford that season and taken Tua or (less likely) Herbert at #3.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
Immediately after the okudah news broke Jameson Williams tweets he needs number one lol! No farewell no goodbye. Just needs that jersey number
That was my first thought as well. It made me sick seeing Okuda in 1 and Jamo in 9.
If you look at the draft that year, pick 1 and 2 were good. Picks 3 thru 10 were not first round talent.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
#1 is a lighter number, it makes you run faster.
At Jamo speed, the lower drag also makes a huge difference.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Good move IMO.
NFL is not exactly analogous to corporate life but we do tend to view things through prism of our own experience. Ever had a guy you just knew wasn't working out? For HR purposes you have to go through the dance. Hold the one on one, note deficiencies in performance, set targets you both know they're unlikely to achieve, revisit in 30 days, rinse and repeat. Puts a cloud over the whole department bc one guy can't or won't hold his own weight. When the day comes to let them go, it's not a surprise to them or anyone else. That happened a few times in my career and in the back of my mind I always kind of wished I would have just fired them back when I saw they weren't a good fit. Usually in the first quarter they were around.
Anyway, forward.
Also, Jamo is a savage lol.
NFL is not exactly analogous to corporate life but we do tend to view things through prism of our own experience. Ever had a guy you just knew wasn't working out? For HR purposes you have to go through the dance. Hold the one on one, note deficiencies in performance, set targets you both know they're unlikely to achieve, revisit in 30 days, rinse and repeat. Puts a cloud over the whole department bc one guy can't or won't hold his own weight. When the day comes to let them go, it's not a surprise to them or anyone else. That happened a few times in my career and in the back of my mind I always kind of wished I would have just fired them back when I saw they weren't a good fit. Usually in the first quarter they were around.
Anyway, forward.
Also, Jamo is a savage lol.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
• Round 1, Pick 6 (LAR)
• Round 1, Pick 18
• Round 2, Pick 48
• Round 2, Pick 55 (MIN)
• Round 3, Pick 81
• Round 5, Pick 152
• Round 5, Pick 159 (ATL)
• Round 6, Pick 183 (DEN)
• Round 6, Pick 194
9 picks for Brad the Villain.
• Round 1, Pick 18
• Round 2, Pick 48
• Round 2, Pick 55 (MIN)
• Round 3, Pick 81
• Round 5, Pick 152
• Round 5, Pick 159 (ATL)
• Round 6, Pick 183 (DEN)
• Round 6, Pick 194
9 picks for Brad the Villain.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
So is Swift next in line to be called into Holme's office?
I think you are looking at the wrong season. 2020 was loaded with 1st round talent between picks 3-10.
Andrew Thomas is one of the best OT's in the NFL
Tua is a solid starting QB
Herbert is arguably a top-5 QB whenever he doesn't have broken ribs
Derrick Brown is a pro bowl level DT, and arguably the best player on the Panthers roster, though he had a rough start to his career
Isaiah Simmons has been disappointing, though he's also been poorly coached/used
CJ Henderson is a bust, and was always over drafted
Jedrick Wills has been an average starting LT
Okudah and Henderson are the only true misses.
Foosball God
Foos
Tua is one more concussion away from being done. I agree with Jon that, at the time, Okudah was viewed as a very safe pick.
I am not a fan of the trade quite honestly. I feel he must be more valuable on this team than a 5th rounder.
You also signaled to the league that you are almost certainly taking a CB at 6 or 18.
The $ savings is nice though.
Just can't believe this guy is not worth working on. Afraid he will become the next Slay or Diggs.
That being said, Holmes and Campbell better than me at this.
You also signaled to the league that you are almost certainly taking a CB at 6 or 18.
The $ savings is nice though.
Just can't believe this guy is not worth working on. Afraid he will become the next Slay or Diggs.
That being said, Holmes and Campbell better than me at this.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yzerman has made a coupe similar moves, and calls it weaponized cap space.
- Frees up $5.1M (100% of his remaining cap hit this year)
- adds another pick for a guy who excels at identifying Day 3 talent
- raises the floor of the DB room
- honestly helpz Okudah bc now he gets a fresh start free of expectations
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You mean a text from the War Room?
Draft day trade is def on the table if they land someone they like.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Justin Rogers reply to a fan who tweeted "crappy return though"
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Plus the cap savings that could be another player.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@JeffRisdon
I've said it before, I'll say it again: The fan interest in the Lions drafting Jalen Carter greatly exceeds the Lions' actual interest in drafting Jalen Carter--from everything I've been told by multiple people even pre-dating the Combine
I have a feeling if we stick and pick someone (besides Carter) is going to drop into our lap.
Worst case, take Witherspoon, dude has incredible instincts. Would love to see that energy on the Lions D.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: The fan interest in the Lions drafting Jalen Carter greatly exceeds the Lions' actual interest in drafting Jalen Carter--from everything I've been told by multiple people even pre-dating the Combine
I have a feeling if we stick and pick someone (besides Carter) is going to drop into our lap.
Worst case, take Witherspoon, dude has incredible instincts. Would love to see that energy on the Lions D.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@TomPelissero
The Lions will host Alabama edge Will Anderson Jr for a visit later this week, per sources.
One of the draft’s cleanest and most talented prospects, Anderson figures to be gone by Detroit’s pick at No. 6.
A possible candidate to trade up?
The Lions will host Alabama edge Will Anderson Jr for a visit later this week, per sources.
One of the draft’s cleanest and most talented prospects, Anderson figures to be gone by Detroit’s pick at No. 6.
A possible candidate to trade up?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Okudah needs to be moved to safety if he wants to stay in the league. Okudah is a good tackler but he can`t cover in single coverage.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I solely view the okudah trade as Detroit knowing they’re not resigning him or picking up his fifth year option plus it frees cap.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think anyone has any idea what Holmes is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he took a QB, CB at 6 or traded up or back.
I don't want him to take a QB or CB at 6. Good corners are found in the 2 and 3 round all the time. Hopefully he takes a really good defensive lineman to pair with Aiden which makes the secondary better.
I don't want him to take a QB or CB at 6. Good corners are found in the 2 and 3 round all the time. Hopefully he takes a really good defensive lineman to pair with Aiden which makes the secondary better.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@ESPNStatsInfo
Jeff Okudah is the 2nd player in the last decade to be drafted in the top-3 overall and traded less than 3 years after being drafted.
The other was QB Sam Darnold, who was drafted by the Jets in 2018 and traded to the Panthers in April 2021.
Jeff Okudah is the 2nd player in the last decade to be drafted in the top-3 overall and traded less than 3 years after being drafted.
The other was QB Sam Darnold, who was drafted by the Jets in 2018 and traded to the Panthers in April 2021.
Wouldn't be surprised if Trey Lance (or Zach Wilson) joined that list before next year's draft.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
(Pride of Detroit blog):
here’s how the money shifts around:
Detroit
The Lions' 2023 draft class figures to cost roughly $11M overall, but only $8M of that should could against the top-51 contracts and thus impact the cap. Add in another $5M or so for in-season moves, and the Lions still have a comfortable $12.9M in salary cap to utilize if they need to make any more trades or sign any more free agents.
here’s how the money shifts around:
Detroit
- Removes the projected $10.3M from the 2023 salary cap
- Takes on $5.5M in dead cap (prorated bonus)
- Freeing up $5.2M in new salary cap space
- Takes on $5.2M in salary cap
- Holds fifth-year option on Okudah worth over $11.5M
Lions 2023 salary cap implications
With Detroit now increasing their 2023 salary cap space by roughly $5.2 million, they now have an estimated $25.9M in salary cap room for the upcoming season.The Lions' 2023 draft class figures to cost roughly $11M overall, but only $8M of that should could against the top-51 contracts and thus impact the cap. Add in another $5M or so for in-season moves, and the Lions still have a comfortable $12.9M in salary cap to utilize if they need to make any more trades or sign any more free agents.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Setting aside what people thought of him before the draft. Here is his NFL career:
Y1: Hamstring injury in training camp. Played poorly. Hurt his hamstring and had season ending surgery
Y2: Week 1 was a terrible game where he was getting burned, melting down and getting chewed out by coaches. His season ended that week with a ruptured achilles.
Y3: Started off pretty good, was making some tackles around the LOS and had the game where with some extra help he shut down Justin Jefferson. However, late in the year the Lions seemed to lose confidence in him and he found himself playing less and less defensive snaps. He was even being put on some special teams. They just deactivated him for the Packers game.
I see the Lions getting 2 quality DEF selections in the 1st round, CB & Edge, and possibly moving up in the 2nd round a little to ensure getting a playmaker they like, such as Gibbs or Hyatt. Imagine if they get both!
Phil Simms is not buying the hype on Will Anderson, placing him 5th among edge rushers. Points out that nearly all his sacks were coverage sacks and not the result of elite pass rushing skills. He thinks Tyree Wilson is a freak and the top tier of the class and is an unstoppable force.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Simms might be my least favorite analyst. He loves hot takes that get him attention.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Phil Simms thinks 4i and 5-tech are interchangeable. Tyree Wilson spent two years at A&M before transferring to Tech; he looks lost on the SEC tape. Kudos for the development but I’m not sure we should view Big 12 OLs to be equivalent competition.
One thing I’ve noticed about Wilson is he’s almost always the last guy off the line. He’s the opposite of explosive at the snap.
Anderson has more versatility to his pass rush plan. Wilson is a bit of a one note bull rush guy rn.
Regardless I’m hoping the first pick is a CB. My thought is if we walk out of the draft with a true CB1 and a ED2. There are only a few guys in this class who can play press man day 1. There are a good 12-15 Edge guys who can play effectively opposite Hutch.
IMO
One thing I’ve noticed about Wilson is he’s almost always the last guy off the line. He’s the opposite of explosive at the snap.
Anderson has more versatility to his pass rush plan. Wilson is a bit of a one note bull rush guy rn.
Regardless I’m hoping the first pick is a CB. My thought is if we walk out of the draft with a true CB1 and a ED2. There are only a few guys in this class who can play press man day 1. There are a good 12-15 Edge guys who can play effectively opposite Hutch.
IMO
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I don't know who Phil Simms works for, but they obviously don't drug test.
Foosball God
Foos
It's only a win if he utilizes the cap space.
Chaka
Footballguy
Didn't someone post some data indicating, in aggregate, that Williams faced tougher o-lines than Anderson last season?
There is a lot of talk about these two so maybe it was a different thread.
This is where I am at. I want a cb at 6, a DL at 18 and a LB in round 2.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
They almost certainly will. In the most recent league year which ended last month, only Chicago rolled over a significant amount of Cap ($9.xxM), and they have to spend it this year. The next 9 teams with the highest rollover were between $400K and $1.5M. It’s very rare teams don’t max their cap utilization, that would be grossly inept management, and the cap rules don’t allow you to not use - eventually you have to spend.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Was it Phil Simms or his kid that said the Lions should go get Lamar Jackson?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This is where I am at if it is possible. Would love to see them drop from 6 and try to pick up a first next year. Like say one QB is left and the Titans or someone in the teens wants him then trade back to 13 and next years first. Same for 18 move back to the end of the first or beginning of the second and maybe pick up another first.
This way if Goff does stink you have the ability to go get a QB next year if the USC or UNC QB are as good as we hope this fall.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Can’t remember which podcast it was but someone thought Anderson was a bit overrated, cited that he tended to rely on straight line trucking through people and didn’t really have any moves or nuanced abilities to beat his man
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Ultimately I trust Holmes enough to be satisfied with whatever he does, but I'm rooting for two outcomes:
1 - Trade up for Anderson and get the highest probability of a game-changer. I would gladly trade 6 and 18 to get the safest stud possible at the second most important position on the field. I might even throw in a 2nd. The value of a dominant defensive line is so much greater than getting a solid CB or LB who probably won't fully develop for a couple years. Imagining Hutch and Anderson doing work for the next 4 years is tantalizing,. That kind of QB pressure can get you to a SB by itself.
2 - Levis falls to 6 like you say and a team gives us a first next year to move up. Even if it's the Titans I don't imagine they'll have a great season and we'll get another top 15 or top 10 pick. Looking at this year's draft I'm perfectly fine with taking a couple defensive players towards the end of the first round who probably aren't that much of a drop from who will there at 6.
