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2025-26 NBA Thread: manager at job site annoyed Kawhi hasn't shown up again (4 Viewers)

I haven't found the case for "Team Ballmer" particularly strong as Cuban called it. Not something a lot of sports media has an incentive to cover.
This was a half thought while working. I think you're doing a good job showing what is lacking to "prove" Ballmer or the Clippers actually knew anything though.

True, but the nba is actually not required to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt in order to punish the clippers, per the bylaws. That is why I think that what yo mama says below is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of the most likely outcome (acknowledging that we are all flying blind here). The NBA is allowed to say that there is enough smoke that something weird seems like it is going on and it is then the clippers’ job to prove that it is not. Since that may be hard and also I doubt that there will be any true smoking gun, I think that some penalty will occur but somewhere in the middle to lighter side. At least based on what I’ve heard people say about the way the league rules are written.
I’m wondering if the league will take into account they already penalized the Clippers for doing something similar (to a much smaller scale) with Deandre Jordan back in 2015.

They were fined $250k (lol) for making a FA presentation that included an improperly arranged third-party endorsement opportunity for Deandre.
If the league rules against them, I think we'll see year-long suspensions for Ballmer and possibly others, loss of multiple first round picks, and the max fine ($7.5 million?). I"m not sure about voiding Kawhi's contract.
I doubt they find enough for a huge penalty, but they’ll feel the need to give some kind of middle ground to appease the other owners and try to keep stuff like this happening in the future.

My prediction - 1 first round pick loss and something like a $5m fine.

ETA - I could also see some kind of penalty / suspension for Uncle Dennis.
 
In the end, I think the league is going to need direct proof that Ballmer invested this $50 million on condition of the Kawhi marketing contract. Maybe there is an email or text message out there somewhere. Pablo didn’t have it.

I know the league can use circumstantial evidence, but by doing so, you are claiming an owner and one of the richest men in the world lied to the world and directly to his fans in his statement and in the ESPN interview. I think they will choose to have a high standard.

One last thing. In the Pablo-Cuban interview, Cuban made what seemed to be a joke about Uncle Dennis being the smartest person in the room. I don’t think this was a joke. I think he was throwing out the possibility that Uncle Dennis may have tricked Aspiration in giving Kawhi a sweetheart deal.
 
In the end, I think the league is going to need direct proof that Ballmer invested this $50 million on condition of the Kawhi marketing contract. Maybe there is an email or text message out there somewhere. Pablo didn’t have it.

I know the league can use circumstantial evidence, but by doing so, you are claiming an owner and one of the richest men in the world lied to the world and directly to his fans in his statement and in the ESPN interview. I think they will choose to have a high standard.

One last thing. In the Pablo-Cuban interview, Cuban made what seemed to be a joke about Uncle Dennis being the smartest person in the room. I don’t think this was a joke. I think he was throwing out the possibility that Uncle Dennis may have tricked Aspiration in giving Kawhi a sweetheart deal.
If it comes down to basically what we know now, I think the punishment is going to be what the other owners are pushing for. If there is an internal push for the NBA-equivalent of the SMU death sentence, that is what is going to happen. If the owners are more measured, it'll be closer to a slap on the wrist.
 
The Raptors owner was apoplectic about Dennis demanding equity in companies and endorsement deals in 2019 and it turns out the Clippers gave it to him. There’s going to be a contingent of owners that wants blood, but who knows how big that group will be.
 
In the end, I think the league is going to need direct proof that Ballmer invested this $50 million on condition of the Kawhi marketing contract. Maybe there is an email or text message out there somewhere. Pablo didn’t have it.

I know the league can use circumstantial evidence, but by doing so, you are claiming an owner and one of the richest men in the world lied to the world and directly to his fans in his statement and in the ESPN interview. I think they will choose to have a high standard.

One last thing. In the Pablo-Cuban interview, Cuban made what seemed to be a joke about Uncle Dennis being the smartest person in the room. I don’t think this was a joke. I think he was throwing out the possibility that Uncle Dennis may have tricked Aspiration in giving Kawhi a sweetheart deal.
What, he used a Jedi mind trick to convince Aspiration to hand over $28 million in exchange for nothing?
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
I used to laugh when seeing a player release the heave a fraction of a second after the buzzer.
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
I used to laugh when seeing a player release the heave a fraction of a second after the buzzer.
we don't have to live with that tyranny anymore!
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
But what if they make it? Team make? Just give the stat to Jokic or Curry?
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
But what if they make it? Team make? Just give the stat to Jokic or Curry?
I was wondering the same thing. My guess: miss equals team FGA, make equals player FGA.
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
But what if they make it? Team make? Just give the stat to Jokic or Curry?
I was wondering the same thing. My guess: miss equals team FGA, make equals player FGA.
That’s how it should work IMO. These initial articles about it are frustrating.
 
half court heaves at the end of quarters will no longer count as shot attempts for the player, but instead will count as "team shots"

reportedly because players are concerned about these shots impacting their shooting percentages
But what if they make it? Team make? Just give the stat to Jokic or Curry?
I was wondering the same thing. My guess: miss equals team FGA, make equals player FGA.
That’s how it should work IMO. These initial articles about it are frustrating.
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Whelp…Pablo has a lot more detail today. None of it good for the Clippers.

To summarize:

Dennis Wong is Ballmer's college roommate who owns 1% of the Clippers (Ballmer owns the the other 99%). In December 2022, Wong made a $2 million investment in Aspiration. At the time, Aspiration was imploding and was behind on paying Kawhi an installment of $1.75 million as well as being behind to many other creditors. Shortly after this investment, Kawhi was paid. As a side item, Wong's daughter worked for Aspiration.

None of this makes sense to me. If the Clippers are guilty, this is clearly just a band-aid. Kawhi had millions left on his deal. What's the long term play? If the Clippers are innocent, the agreement Wong signed references some of Aspiration's financial problems so it is almost impossible to believe Wong wouldn't be aware that there were major problems.

This is obviously another piece that the League's law firm will need to look into.
 
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Whelp…Pablo has a lot more detail today. None of it good for the Clippers.

To summarize:

Dennis Wong is Ballmer's college roommate who owns 1% of the Clippers (Ballmer owns the the other 99%). In December 2022, Wong made a $2 million investment in Aspiration. At the time, Aspiration was imploding and were behind on paying Kawhi an installment of $1.75 million as well as being behind to many other creditors. Shortly after this investment, Kawhi was paid. As a side item, Wong's daughter worked for Aspiration.

None of this makes sense to me. If the Clippers are guilty, this is clearly just a band-aid. Kawhi had millions left on his deal. What's the long term play? If the Clippers are innocent, the agreement Wong signed references some of Aspiration's financial problems so it is almost impossible to believe Wong wouldn't be aware that there were major problems.

This is obviously another piece that the League's law firm will need to look into.
Listening to the full podcast now, but one thing not in the initial clip that went around which is super funny to me - Balmer is supposedly on the NBA committee that audits these kinds of sponsorship deals.
 
If anyone's interested here's the SEC complaint against Sanberg from last month where it details the fraud and Ballmer's investment. What it doesn't explain is the Wong Dec 2022 investment (or how the Clippers thought Aspiration was going to pay for the sponsorship funds given the low revenue numbers in 2021). Even if you take at face value Ballmer (and Oakmark) were duped in late 2021, by the time December 2022 rolls around the jig was more or less up.

As @Yo Mama is pointing out, Pablo held the Dec 2022 part of this back since that's much harder to rationalize away as "we were duped by a fraudster".
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
One of the podcasts that I was listening to last week said that as part of his contract getting voided there would also be a provision that he couldn't resign with the Clippers.
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
One of the podcasts that I was listening to last week said that as part of his contract getting voided there would also be a provision that he couldn't resign with the Clippers.
Then Lakers it would be!
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
One of the podcasts that I was listening to last week said that as part of his contract getting voided there would also be a provision that he couldn't resign with the Clippers.
I didn’t see John Hollinger’s article (published yesterday) from The Athletic until now. It’s very interesting to anyone who is curious about the CBA and possible penalties. He points out that CBA might make some penalties harder to enforce due to language that the player’s contract should be below market. Since Kawhi signed for the max, that could be a problem.
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
One of the podcasts that I was listening to last week said that as part of his contract getting voided there would also be a provision that he couldn't resign with the Clippers.
I didn’t see John Hollinger’s article (published yesterday) from The Athletic until now. It’s very interesting to anyone who is curious about the CBA and possible penalties. He points out that CBA might make some penalties harder to enforce due to language that the player’s contract should be below market. Since Kawhi signed for the max, that could be a problem.
I think the counter to that is the circumvention wasn’t to allow the team to sign him for less, it was to allow the team to give him more money than the max set in the CBA.
 
Why couldn't they suspend Leonard?
I don’t know if that’s in the CBA or not. To me, it seems a suspension and loss of game checks (with fines for uncle Dennis) would be more of a punishment for Kawhi than voiding his contract and letting him sign somewhere else. I just don’t know if that’s is allowable in the CBA. Maybe void his contract after this season so it doesn’t change competitive balance for this season.
 
If the NBA rules against the Clippers, voiding Kawhi's contact should certainly be on the table. They should want to send a message to players and agents that this is unacceptable. I don't know how that would work in practice though. It doesn't appear that the league can suspend Kawhi for this. Could the Clippers just re-sign him? Would they still have Bird rights? Would Kawhi sign a minimum deal with the Lakers and piss everyone off?
If they void the contract, the Bird rights go away
I was wondering if Bird rights would remain due to the initial contract he signed with the Clippers in 2019.
One of the podcasts that I was listening to last week said that as part of his contract getting voided there would also be a provision that he couldn't resign with the Clippers.
I didn’t see John Hollinger’s article (published yesterday) from The Athletic until now. It’s very interesting to anyone who is curious about the CBA and possible penalties. He points out that CBA might make some penalties harder to enforce due to language that the player’s contract should be below market. Since Kawhi signed for the max, that could be a problem.
I think the counter to that is the circumvention wasn’t to allow the team to sign him for less, it was to allow the team to give him more money than the max set in the CBA.
Right. Hollinger is pointing out that the CBA was written poorly for this situation. This wasn’t what they had in mind and will likely be changed next time.
 
Gotta figure Pablo had this all lined up (like he did with some of the NFLPA stuff).

- release most of the bombshell
- wait for the Clippers and NBA response (board of governors meeting timing was perfect for the initial drop)
- release more damning details to pull the rug out
I bet he still has more. Have to admit it’s entertaining watching teams/folks lie then new details get released that exposes the lie.
 
I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
 
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I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the wrist. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.
 
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I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the risk. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.

Oh, I wasn't saying they were analogous. I'm sure the other owners are pissed right now. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so bold and cackling about it. I should say that if the owners figure out that no or token punishment hurts their bottom line, then there will be stiff punishment, but I don't think that's likely. Here's what I think will happen: They'll be pissed internally because not only were they not on a level playing field with Ballmer (and maybe others), but the players now have incentive to go to each individual owner and ask for something similar to Leonard and the owners really don't want that. But I think the way Silver was already talking that he will gently remind them that if they scream bloody murder and insist that sunlight is the best disinfectant, the sunlight might turn into a story that really blows up and threatens that $76BN kitty. And that's when, instead of getting to the heart of the matter and doing something like rooting out the officiating and gambling problem, they'll all realize that Stern was right and that the only way this pie gets threatened is to continue exposing corrupt practices far and wide until all of our culture is aware of it. So they're gonna speed this up and slam it shut.

In the end, they're all going to protect the bottom line before the integrity of the game. That's really my point. If indeed their bottom line is hurt by token punishment, they'll be the first to encircle Uncle Dennis and Steve Ballmer with a firing squad. With bells on! But I think the only thing that hurts their bottom line is a long, drawn-out and extraordinarily far-reaching inquiry that makes every corner of the news. And all day. Otherwise, they're just gonna shut it all down and take their money and run.
 
I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the risk. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.

Oh, I wasn't saying they were analogous. I'm sure the other owners are pissed right now. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so bold and cackling about it. I should say that if the owners figure out that no or token punishment hurts their bottom line, then there will be stiff punishment, but I don't think that's likely. Here's what I think will happen: They'll be pissed internally because not only were they not on a level playing field with Ballmer (and maybe others), but the players now have incentive to go to each individual owner and ask for something similar to Leonard and the owners really don't want that. But I think the way Silver was already talking that he will gently remind them that if they scream bloody murder and insist that sunlight is the best disinfectant, the sunlight might turn into a story that really blows up and threatens that $76BN kitty. And that's when, instead of getting to the heart of the matter and doing something like rooting out the officiating and gambling problem, they'll all realize that Stern was right and that the only way this pie gets threatened is to continue exposing corrupt practices far and wide until all of our culture is aware of it. So they're gonna speed this up and slam it shut.

In the end, they're all going to protect the bottom line before the integrity of the game. That's really my point. If indeed their bottom line is hurt by token punishment, they'll be the first to encircle Uncle Dennis and Steve Ballmer with a firing squad. With bells on! But I think the only thing that hurts their bottom line is a long, drawn-out and extraordinarily far-reaching inquiry that makes every corner of the news. And all day. Otherwise, they're just gonna shut it all down and take their money and run.
Yep, I agree with your main point.

Just a little more about Silver's comments. I think he said the right thing. Too often these days our society runs with the court of public opinion. I think Silver was basically telling everyone to slow down and let the investigation run its course. They will try to look at all the evidence and let the Clippers give their side on things. That's the right thing to do.

Now, what will they do if there is only circumstantial evidence? Will the Clippers and Kawhi need to provide some plausible alternative explanations for the whys? I hope so.
 
I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the risk. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.

Oh, I wasn't saying they were analogous. I'm sure the other owners are pissed right now. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so bold and cackling about it. I should say that if the owners figure out that no or token punishment hurts their bottom line, then there will be stiff punishment, but I don't think that's likely. Here's what I think will happen: They'll be pissed internally because not only were they not on a level playing field with Ballmer (and maybe others), but the players now have incentive to go to each individual owner and ask for something similar to Leonard and the owners really don't want that. But I think the way Silver was already talking that he will gently remind them that if they scream bloody murder and insist that sunlight is the best disinfectant, the sunlight might turn into a story that really blows up and threatens that $76BN kitty. And that's when, instead of getting to the heart of the matter and doing something like rooting out the officiating and gambling problem, they'll all realize that Stern was right and that the only way this pie gets threatened is to continue exposing corrupt practices far and wide until all of our culture is aware of it. So they're gonna speed this up and slam it shut.

In the end, they're all going to protect the bottom line before the integrity of the game. That's really my point. If indeed their bottom line is hurt by token punishment, they'll be the first to encircle Uncle Dennis and Steve Ballmer with a firing squad. With bells on! But I think the only thing that hurts their bottom line is a long, drawn-out and extraordinarily far-reaching inquiry that makes every corner of the news. And all day. Otherwise, they're just gonna shut it all down and take their money and run.
You're right on one thing, I sort of doubt if there is Clippers punishment Ballmer will be that pissed off with it. The owners could care less about Uncle Dennis and a 34 year old Kwahi who doesn't market himself and will have no problem making him an example (how about voiding the contract until all the salary cap is gone next offseason).
 
I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the risk. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.

Oh, I wasn't saying they were analogous. I'm sure the other owners are pissed right now. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so bold and cackling about it. I should say that if the owners figure out that no or token punishment hurts their bottom line, then there will be stiff punishment, but I don't think that's likely. Here's what I think will happen: They'll be pissed internally because not only were they not on a level playing field with Ballmer (and maybe others), but the players now have incentive to go to each individual owner and ask for something similar to Leonard and the owners really don't want that. But I think the way Silver was already talking that he will gently remind them that if they scream bloody murder and insist that sunlight is the best disinfectant, the sunlight might turn into a story that really blows up and threatens that $76BN kitty. And that's when, instead of getting to the heart of the matter and doing something like rooting out the officiating and gambling problem, they'll all realize that Stern was right and that the only way this pie gets threatened is to continue exposing corrupt practices far and wide until all of our culture is aware of it. So they're gonna speed this up and slam it shut.

In the end, they're all going to protect the bottom line before the integrity of the game. That's really my point. If indeed their bottom line is hurt by token punishment, they'll be the first to encircle Uncle Dennis and Steve Ballmer with a firing squad. With bells on! But I think the only thing that hurts their bottom line is a long, drawn-out and extraordinarily far-reaching inquiry that makes every corner of the news. And all day. Otherwise, they're just gonna shut it all down and take their money and run.
Yep, I agree with your main point.

Just a little more about Silver's comments. I think he said the right thing. Too often these days our society runs with the court of public opinion. I think Silver was basically telling everyone to slow down and let the investigation run its course. They will try to look at all the evidence and let the Clippers give their side on things. That's the right thing to do.

Now, what will they do if there is only circumstantial evidence? Will the Clippers and Kawhi need to provide some plausible alternative explanations for the whys? I hope so.

I totally agree with you about not convicting because of public opinion. That’s not what I would want, either. Actually, I shouldn’t really even have too much of a say or opinion about what they do because I’m really not their customer. It’s just a story to me, so how they handle their own fanbase is really their own business until it truly affects me as a person or citizen. Until then, it’s really their own business. I hope they act justly and decently because I have a societal interest in that; after that, it’s all theirs.
 
I don't know about you all, but Silver already told you what was going to happen to the Clippers. ****ing. Nothing.

They just signed a $76BN television deal. The only thing this has done is fling the door wide open for this stuff in the future. Have fun with your leeg. You can catch all the highlights on Tik Tok.

This was the league that said that 10,000 text messages that took place within the span of a month between Donaghy and another referee was because they were good friends on a traveling schedule. Ten thousand. Text messages. To a pal. Back when unlimited plans and by-the-message plans were neither cheap nor normal (although pro referees make a good salary). Let me ask you guys: do you have a friend that you send even 300 text messages a month to? I mean, not on these Apple or Android phones. On the ones where you had to hit the button three times to get the right letter?

LOLOLOL

Don't think I don't know that every league is going to go this way. Like I said in the baseball thread, I'm having a really hard time betting on our culture being intact after twenty more years without disaster or massive upheaval, so it probably won't matter too much in the long run, although I am a doom and gloom sort of guy and have been very wrong before about societal collapse while at other times way too hopeful about totally doomed ****, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knows?
Silver’s comments were expected, and, in my opinion, reasonable. Apparently a lot of owners are pissed though. If the Clippers are found to be in violation, punishment will be more than a slap on the risk. Other owners have power. This has more in common with the Joe Smith scandal than the Donaghy scandal.
I thought what Silver said was fine for the most part. The big exception was his comment on never hearing of Aspiration (a $300m sponsor with their name on the Clippers jersey at one point). That made me think he was more on the side of the “defense” than the “prosecution”. He definitely should have left that part out.
 
I do find it interesting how many NBA commentators are demanding, as Pablo Torre said, that the NBA satisfy a higher burden of proof than a court of law would require. Michael McCann was on Lowe's podcast saying the NBA would need direct evidence to punish the Clippers. You can convict someone of mail fraud and send them to prison for a decade on less evidence than Torre has presented on his podcast. I'm not sure if these people feel like they are covering for Ballmer specifically or the NBA more generally.
 

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